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#21






Promos, TV spots, commercials etc

VHS Promo
http://www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=680.0
(submitted by tbatman)
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Commercials
http://www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=595.0
(submitted by batass4880)


Fan Videos

Schumacher with 60's music
http://www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=1036.0
(submitted by THE BAT-MAN)
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#22
Fan Fiction / Favourite Fan Arts
Thu, 14 Jun 2012, 12:09
(adding this in January 2014)

In a very reflective mood ever since last Christmas ('13).

One of the fun things when it comes to Batman fandom was finding awesome fanarts, sharing them with others. One look at the galleries, and it's obvious that it's very hard to choose the "best". Some show obviously better craftsmanship but, ultimately, it's very subjective.

There aren't any "best" IMO, just a few that resonate more than others, so this is a list of some favourites of mine.




       
Batman and Catwomen by daekazu

Do fanarts work like movies, i.e. do they transport you back in time, when you first saw them? Christmas 2012, the 20th anniversary of Batman Returns, and the year the last Batman film by Nolan was released. An amazing tribute to two great cinematic Knights.





       
Smile by Razzex

A tribute to classic screen Jokers, drawn in anime style (a-la Gotham Knight), given equal focus. One might have disagreements about Hammill being represented by his Arkham and not B:TAS incarnation, but it's a great piece.





       
Dark Knight: Black Hearts by Andy Brase

Brilliant linework which recalls classical etchings by the likes of Piranesi and Dore. A nice mix of elements from the comics and the Tim Burton films, it would be great if there was an entire graphic novel illustrated in this style.

Further proof that some of the best superhero pictures are made by artists not specializing in the genre.





       
Batman 89 by xenomorph71

A time machine, not only because according to the artist it was drawn back in 1989 (with traditional techniques, colour pencils) but because it has "80s" written all over it.

This could be artwork featured in magazines like 2000 AD and Heavy Metal, it reminds me of Simon Bisley's comment:
"[Batman] has to be heavy metal if we're talking in musical terms, hasn't it?" (Comics Scene # 26, May 1992)





       
Batman Vs. Shark by Andrew Zubko

The sheer absurdity, mixed with pro-level skill. Batman underwater, fighting a shark, using a Sith lightsaber. You can't read this aloud and not feel weird.

A homage/parody not only to the (in)famous shark scene from the Adam West movie, but to classic covers by the likes of Boris Vallejo, Joe Chiodo or Bob Larkin from Savage Sword of Conan, where the swashbuckling hero is at impossible odds, fighting a big underwater creature.





       
Batman by klaatu81

Keaton's Batman standing in the rain, grim determination on his face. This picture could be from the comic adaptation of a deleted scene.

It's too bad Burton's films didn't have any scenes set in a stormy night. As cliche as it may sound, it always works well with the kind of atmosphere Batman is about.

Well, Batman Begins fixed this with the Det. Flass interrogation scene.





       
The Dark Knight Trilogy by Alexander Stojanov

Everyone who loves movies loves the work of Drew Struzan. These digital artworks are beautifully composed and painted, a great tribute to the artist, and Nolan's trilogy.





       
Batman Begins in 1972 by Mike Collins

Comics from the 70s were a major source of inspiration for Batman Begins, so this "cover" is quite fitting.

This was a commission for SFX magazine, but it should be the official cover of the comic adaptation!

Also, I always loved artworks that mix the modern with the vintage.





       
The Joker by MikkeSWE

Artist's description:
"Two great actors, one badass villian"

An awesome tribute. A minor nitpick would be that instead of two identical cards, one of them could be styled after the classic 1939 one.




MUSIC



Piano version of Batman soundtrack themes

Original soundtrack of Batman Returns (Penguin theme)
Birth of a Penguin - Batman Returns - on Piano
Eman: Batman returns - Birth of a Penguin (Piano)
Up The Cathedral (Nick's Piano Reduction)

Batman Returns pipe organ www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDKIRTz_TLk

Rock / Metal

The Dark Knight Theme Cover (the best)
Batman Meets Metal
The Dark Knight Rises: by Grizzlee
Batman 89 Theme (ULTIMATE METAL VERSION)

Other

Gotham Symphony
Miracle of Sound: The Joker's Song

Fan-made music Videos that use scenes from the Batman films.

Iron Maiden - "Can I Play With Madness" Animated
Joker - "Party For Your Life" (HD 720) '89
Nightwish - "Master Passion Greed" TDK
Dakrya - "The Charlatans" (HD 1080) BR
Nine Inch Nails - "Burn" TDK
#23


This is the second game based on Nolan's films. The only games I've played on mobile phones are Tetris and Puyo Puyo or other 2D java based games, so I don't know what to expect. It looks to have the quality of PS2 and PSP games visually. My question is - why not release a game as a downloadable title for PS3/360? Watchmen: The End is Nigh comes to mind, it was a fun beat'em'up, not too dissimilar to the above preview. It could never stand as a boxed PS3/360 title, but it was nice as a cheaper Network game.

(EDIT: There also was a TDK sidescroller which looked nice, but it had the usual very poor gameplay of 2D platform games on mobile phones. The Batmobile game, which looked a bit like a 1997 PSX title, I never played.)
#24
Batman Video Games / Injustice: Gods Among Us
Sat, 9 Jun 2012, 00:14
QuoteWarner Bros. and Netherrealm (the studio that created the awesome 2011 Mortal Kombat reboot) have announced today that they are currently working on a DC Universe fighting game, likely based on the popular Mortal Kombat fighting engine.

Details on the new game are scant, given that E3 is just around the corner. However, we do know that Batman, Superman, The Flash, Solomon Grundy, Harley Quinn and Wonder Woman will be playable characters, and that it will share the decidedly darker tone of the MK reboot.

While the rest of the cast is currently a mystery, you can probably make some educated guesses on who will be present. And if you can't, then just stayed tuned because we're betting Warner Bros will slowly leak each playable character (drip fed, once a week) up to the release.

"With Injustice: Gods Among Us, we are creating an all-new franchise with incredible battles set in the DC Comics Universe," said Martin Tremblay, President, Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment. "NetherRealm Studios is the extremely talented team behind the latest Mortal Kombat hit and it is developing a game unlike any other in the fighting genre."

Announcement Trailer


Ed Boon interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11oHydkDtis&feature=player_embedded

http://www.gamesradar.com/injustice-gods-among-us-dc-heroes-vs-villains-fighting-game-announced/
#25
Fan Fiction / Burton's Batman 3 fan-comic
Mon, 4 Jun 2012, 22:13
I suppose most remember a fan-comic that was discussed in the forums some years ago, a few pages of what looked like a "sequel" to Batman Returns.

It was in a painted style, one page featured Mr. Freeze in a location that looked like the Penguin's HQ, and another was a party scene with Bruce and Selina (who had the likeness of Keaton and Pfeiffer). I think it was uploaded in the gallery, but unfortunately it's offline.. I've been looking for the images, does anyone have them?


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On the subject of fan sequels, while looking for this artwork, I came across this.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=357911


I don't know if it's still on, the last post by the guy that started it is dated Nov 2011. Here are the two artworks he posted.



#26




Fresh from the success of the home ports of Data East's Robocop, British developer Ocean undertook duties of turning the Batman movie into a computer game. It was actually the third Ocean published Batman game (after 1986's Bat Man and 1988's Caped Crusader) so in some circles it was also known as "Batman 3".

Batman: The Movie was met with generally favorable reviews and was a hit on various formats. The definitive version was that for Amiga 500 because of the revolutionary for the time driving levels (which obviously inspired the Batmobile levels in Sega's Batman Returns). Atari ST was a faithful port and each of the 8-bit conversions was good in its own way. The C64 is notable for its soundtrack.





Sunsoft brought Batman to home consoles. The NES version is the more well known, but the game was also quite popular on Sega Mega Drive and Nintendo Game Boy. The MD version closely followed the movie's setpieces while the NES deviated to the point of including enemies resembling Firefly. The game's success lead to the creation of a sequel for the NES, partially inspired by the movie, subtitled Return of the Joker.

The PCE version was a Bomberman-inspired action/puzzle, released only in Japan, and is mostly known for the excellent cutscenes. According to this article, the game was originally conceived as a traditional sidescroller.

Sunsoft's Batman also had some of the most memorable and popular BGM of the 8/16-bit era



  • Nintendo Entertainment System (Emu)
  • Sega Genesis/ Mega Drive (Emu)
  • Nintendo Game Boy (Emu)
  • PC Engine/ Turbografx 16 (Emu)


EXTRAS


Batman Online Gallery
Magazine & Artwork Scans Archive


LINKS

Review of the Soundtrack
NES Review
MD Review (Sega-16.com)



LONGPLAY VIDEOS





http://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3E705D17E917E704
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DQKF7hmhbqU




In 1992-93 Batman kept on returing in a variety of good, and not so good, games.

Konami's SNES game remains a textbook example on how to do a sidescrolling beat'em'up, as well as a film license - stellar presentation with sights and sounds lifted directly from the movie, and flawless controls. Only problems? The lack of a 2 player mode, which is essential in the genre (a deviation from the movie, adding Robin or Catwoman in co-op, would be welcome) and the presence of a few strictly 2-plane levels, where the player attacks only with batarangs.

The Sega CD version had impressive for the time racing levels, in the tradition of classic Sega arcades like Out Run and Space Harrier. This was one of the first vehicle combat games, long before Twisted Metal. The visuals hold up pretty well, the arcade style action is intense. The platform levels are the same as the Genesis cartridge version; fairly mediocre but notable for introducing essential gameplay elements like cape gliding, using the grappling hook while in mid-jump, and an arsenal of different weapons.

The adventure game for IBM PC is quite interesting in that it retains the atmosphere of the film with excellent art direction, but ultimately feels too elementary as a point & click adventure. Very few and basic puzzles, the entire game can be solved in less than an hour. What remains are the excellent VGA graphics with many film locations rendered in loving detail, and smoothly animated sprites - maybe a traditional action game with the same visuals would be more welcome.

The Amiga version has some nice backgrounds and the opening tune is appropriately moody - but the game itself is barely playable and almost feels like a published beta.

THE GOOD

  • Super Nintendo Entertainment System (1993, Konami)
  • Sega CD/ Mega CD (1993, Sega)
  • IBM PC MS DOS (1993, Spirit of Discovery, Gametek, Konami)

THE SO-SO
  • Sega Genesis/ Mega Drive (1992, Sega)
  • Sega Game Gear (1992, Sega)
  • Sega Master System (1992, Sega)
  • Nintendo Entertainment System (1992, Konami)
  • Atari Lynx (1992, Atari)

THE GROTESQUE
  • Amiga (1993, Gametek/Konami)


EXTRAS


Batman Online Gallery
Magazine & Artwork Scans Archive
Batman Returns (SNES) EU Manual scan (HQ)




An interview with Stephen Thomson, one of the artists involved with Sega's Batman Returns (known for some very good Batmobile levels). He was also one of the founders of ClockWork Tortoise, makers of the well-liked The Adventures of Batman & Robin (Mega Drive).

He also shares a few unused graphics from the games (possibly story screens). A good read for any old Sega fan.



QuoteI was very proud of the Batman Driving section work on the Mega C.D. we really pushed the machine hard. I was working closely with Jon O'Brien and Chris Shrigley making the driving assets and Front end respectively. I really went all out on the cutscenes as I remember, utilising the scaling sprite tech to full effect. I think the most ridiculous was making a full screen batman arm as the cursor in the options menus. I remember Chris frowning at the idea. I seem to remember that the arm scaled as it pressed the menu buttons aswell. I saw a vid on youtube and it doesn't run very well at all, pretty but sluggish to navigate.

QuoteAfter leaving Acme (Malibu) interactive Myself Jon O'Brien, Andrew (joey) Headon, and James Maxwell setup our own company called ClockWork Tortoise Inc. Our one and only title was the Adventures of Batman and Robin for the MegaDrive. I'm Pleased that its recognised as one of the better Batman Games as we all really put our Live and soul into that title.Again we really pushed the hardware to its absolute limit, doing pseudo 3.D. textured 'Polys' and big brash Bosses.

LINK



LONGPLAY VIDEOS










This actually has an unjust reputation as a horrible game - it has more to do with the movie itself and Acclaim's logo on the box than its quality. Made by the people responsible for Alien Trilogy and Die Hard Trilogy, Batman & Robin was one of the first sandbox games.

It was also a confusing mess, however, forcing the player to seek vague clues in order to find the next crime location. The control scheme, split between "action" and "adventure" mode, was also unnecessarily complex, awkward, and hard to master. A difficult game, inspired by a movie nobody liked - recipe for disaster.

It's obvious however that it was lovingly crafted with great attention to detail. The graphics are quite good for a PSOne title and some of the areas, like Arkham Asylum, are wonderfully atmospheric. The game was also packed with easter eggs and references to other versions of Batman, including newspaper clippings and a Shreck poster.

An unfairly maligned game which needs reappraisal.
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LONGPLAY VIDEOS


PRESS / REVIEWS

#28
Batman (1989) / BATMAN official video index
Fri, 18 May 2012, 10:22
DOCUMENTARIES, FEATURETTES, INTERVIEWS

Not fanmade videos e.g. trailers etc, only footage from official promos, making of, TV interviews etc. from the era.


Michael Keaton and Jack Nicholson at the 1990 People's Choice Awards
http://www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=2449.0








Tim Burton & Michael Keaton Audio interview
http://www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=1485.0


Bob Kane's Batman and Me
http://www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=1880.0 - VIDEO LINK IS DEAD
(submitted by Grissom)


BATMANIA - In the Shadow of the Bat (German TV Documentary)
http://www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=1703.0 - VIDEO LINK IS DEAD
(submitted by Batman)


Batman Premiere 1989
http://www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=1717.0
(submitted by THE BAT-MAN)
and
River Phoenix at the Premiere of Batman
http://www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=1633.0
(submitted by Grissom)


Tim Burton Documentaries
http://www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=1226.0
(submitted by THE BAT-MAN)


Promos, TV spots, commercials etc

Rare promo with High Contrast
http://www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=1254.0
(submitted by Grissom)
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Critics TV Spot
http://www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=1960.msg28989;boardseen#new
(submitted by Grissom)
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VHS commercial
http://www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=1150.0
(submitted by THE BAT-MAN)
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Batmobile Contest
http://www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=1935.msg28880#msg28880
(submitted by Silver Nemesis)


Fan Trailers
http://www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=1909.0
http://www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=1934.0


Prince - Singles & B-Sides (info)
http://www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=1319.0
(by Tarzan1941)


Ultimate Bat Channel - This channel has been previously mentioned in the forums. Collects all types of trailers, commercials and featurettes.
http://www.youtube.com/user/UltimateBatChannel


Batmania O Retorno - Brazilian fans of BR, some official and some fan videos
http://www.youtube.com/user/fanzine92
#29
To those of you that always felt a little uncomfortable for being fans of movies that had embarassing tie-ins like ugly McDonald's toy cars or colouring books, the ones released for The Dark Knight Rises top them all. Not one, but eight books aimed squarely at children. I post this because I think it's a bit funny that the target audience of these products wouldn't be allowed to watch TDK or TDKR.

http://legionsofgotham.blogspot.com/2012/03/new-dark-knight-rises-books.html





#30
He definitely did a good job on this, but IMO it illustrates the problems some of us have with such a take on Batman - too grungy and low key, and this track by Massive Attack is little more than a generic "atmospheric" beat. Something like this could work as opening credits for a Batman TV series adaptating some of the gritty and "realistic" stories (like some Gotham Central issues), but an opening for a Batman movie should be, dare I say, more "epic". Still, interesting to see.


#31
(Sept 2016)

Batman: Tim Burton's 1989 classic has (almost) everything modern superhero films are missing

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/batman-1989-tim-burton-modern-superhero-films-movies-missing-a7333011.html




blue - external red - forum

Tracey Walter Interview
www.mediamikes.com/2011/05/interview-with-tracey-walter/

horror tributes by the Penguin?

www.thebloodfactory.com/#/library/

INTERNET CRITICS
2008 Summer Nostalgia Critic Batman 1989 vs. The Dark Knight




Doug Walker just loves B'89

  • Both TDK/B'89 and occupy places in the top-10 entries of his top-20 movies, and B'89 is actually higher than TDK.
  • In his top-10 F*** yeah movie themes, Elfman's Batman is #3 (after #1 Back to the Future and #2 Conan the Barbarian)
  • A huge number of his Nostalgia Critic reviews contains some form of visual or other reference to B'89.

He's really one of the best online promotions for B'89. It's naive to think that successful internet critics don't influence the opinion of younger... "geeks". I've seen countless times opinions expressed by the likes of AVGN passed on as "fact" in various threads and comment sections.




INTERVIEWS
1995-12-XX Steve Bartek FSM Interview | (forum)
2009-03-16 Michael Uslan interview
2011-05-24 Tracey Walter interview





MOVIE RETROSPECTIVES
2012-10-16 Batman 1989-97 (Part 1) | (Part 2)
2012-09-26 Batman (1989) The Essential Films
2012-08-16 Batman Returns (1992) Film Connoiseur review
2012-07-20 The Cinematic History of the Dark Knight
2012-07-xx Think About the Future: A Retrospective on Tim Burton's Batman
2012-04-XX Batman (1989) Film Portal Retrospective (Part 1) | (Part 2)
2011-12-28 Batman (1989) Full Moon Review
2011-12-23 Batman (1989) Cult movie review by John Kenneth
2012-06-23 Retrospective on the Burton-Keaton BATMAN movies | (forum)
2009-03-10 Cinefantastique Blog - Batman 1989-1997

http://batmannrobinonfilm.blogspot.com/2012/12/merry-christmas-my-burton-keaton-batman.html



ESSAYS/ ARTICLES

http://www.avclub.com/article/batman-returns-digs-into-seasonal-depression-106172
http://wagthemovie.net/2012/07/13/batmania-freaks-of-a-feather/


TOYS
2012-02-18 RA review of the "Bob" action figure


ADAPTING INTELLECTUAL PROPERTIES TO MOVIES
2011-06-07 The Continuity Trap | (Forum)
2012-04-03 The Future of Storytelling has arrived | (Forum)



Fan reviews
2012-07 Cruel Summer: Batman (1989)
2012-08 Batman Returns (Film Connoiseur)
2012-09 Batman (The Essential Films)
2012-10 Batman 1989-97 (Part 1) | (Part 2)


#32
Movies / CONAN the barbarian
Thu, 7 Jul 2011, 11:44
There's been a couple of trailers, but maybe the new UK one is the best for non-fans. I hope those that have a passing interest in sword & sorcery give this movie a chance, even for the precence of Jason Momoa, who gave a great performace as Khal Drogo in GoT.

#34

Since no-one posted about this game, I figured it deserved its own thread, despite the fact that it's an exclusive for Nintendo.

First things first, it's a pity this wasn't released for the other consoles. Even though games made for Wii seem "weak" compared to the PS3/360 libraries and a price of 40-50 is too much for this sort of thing, it would make for an excellent downloadable for PSN/XBLA if it cost about 10-15 euros at the most.

This game joins Donkey Kong Returns, New Super Mario Bros and Sonic the Hedgehog 4 in the list of great retro revivals. Of course it's not quite as good as those company mascots, but it holds its own. With the exception of some Wii-mote special moves and attacks, this game really feels like playing a classic side-scroller from the days of Mega Drive and Super NES (and I say this as a good thing).

The 2D sprites and animation and very well made and pleasing to the eye, the backgrounds are detailed, varied and always interesting (Clock King's level in particular reminded me of the 2D Castlevania games), the music and sounds are taken from the cartoon and create a fun atmosphere. Special mention goes to the constant dialogue - it makes you feel like you're watching episodes of this campy Batman, with the difference that you're playing too.

There are 5 characters total to choose from, including Robin and Blue Beetle (who cares, I only picked Batman) and several "jump-in" heroes that can create devastation in critical moments, much like the extra characters in Spider-Man & Venom: Maximum Carnage for Super Nes (anyone remember that game? It was a pretty good clone of Final Fight, but HARD) Thankfully, there's a two player mode too.

On a secondary note, the game was made with the more casual "couldn't-care-less-about-trying-hard" gamer in mind - much like the Lego Whatever games, when your energy is depleted you don't lose a life, only coins, so it's pretty easy to make your way to the end. For me this is a good thing - and it feels like an arcade, where you had infinite continues as long as you had coins. Considering the "HD remix" of Earthworm Jim (an ultra-hard game of the 16-bit days) came with infinite continues and a save system too, there's no point in making these games "challenging" any more. 16-bit veterans know how frustrating and "curse-at-the-screen" difficult a game of this type could be back in those days!

Overall, the game feels like an enhanced, Wii update of an old favourite of mine, The Adventures of Batman & Robin by Konami for the Super NES. The only thing I could hope for is that WayWard Studios develops a second game like this, only this time based on the "proper" Animated Series of the 90s (Yeah, "Dream On")

UPDATE May 2011:
Played the DS version too. It's a bit similar to the Wii, as expected, but even more of a traditional sidescroller, with very limited use of the "touch screen" feature. Since it's a small cartridge and not a DVD, I didn't expect an elaborate presentation with music and voices lifted from the show, but this is never the point with that sort of game. It's another example of a licenced game done right, an entertaining throwback to the SNES days. One notable omission from the Wii version was the absence of the Joker, but here he's got to say "The Joker was here".

It's like playing a great SNES game. Just like the TV show which is inspired by and is a sort of "time machine" for the Golden Age of Batman comics illustrated by Dick Sprang, the game tie-in is a time machine for the Golden Age of 16-bit gaming.

If only someone released something similar based on the movies, The Animated Series, anything. Just a few years ago Atari revisited the original Ghostbusters films, and all the games, from PS3/360 to Wii to DS, were quite good, so revisiting the 90's Animated Series which is still popular with a huge fanbase isn't a stretch I think. Batman: The Brave and the Bold is the casual alternative to the more immersive and hardcore experience offered by the Arkham series by Rocksteady.

Some videos (Wii)

Catwoman Boss

Ghost Boss http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk_98TwodqE&feature=fvsr
Snow Bosses http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfEdT0BAFIU&feature=list_related&playnext=1&list=SPE087111F28AEEEBD
#35
Movies / Batman's page in tvtropes.org
Wed, 18 Aug 2010, 01:44
This wiki (focusing on fiction in all forms, from literature to films to modern video games) is fun to read and informative, and this is their entry for the 1989 film. Their list of "tropes" present in the film is interesting.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/Batman
#36


Work in Progress Thread - Click for Magazine Scans Index



#37
Batman (1989) / BATMAN was the temp track?
Mon, 2 Aug 2010, 14:22
This is from the score of a 1990 French movie.

I don't know if it's just me, but some parts (like 0:34 or 1:02) are too similar to Batman's main titles.



http://www.youtube.com/v/LYBCF_7pTe8
#38


Redundant Thread - Click for Magazine Scans Index



This guy did an amazing job in scanning the official magazine for Batman Returns. Available in either PDF or JPG form. This was actually uploaded some time ago, but I just saw it (the Rapidshare links are dead, but the megaupload ones are working)

http://vinnierattolle.blogspot.com/2009/11/batman-returns-souvenir-magazine.html


#39
Movies / Clash of the Titans (vs. God of War)
Wed, 7 Apr 2010, 13:51
I think filmmakers don't give enough credit to modern video games. I mean, it's been a while since most "final confrontations" in blockbuster movies looked and felt like boss fights, but they went a bit overboard with Clash of the Titans (and that other little film "based" on Greek Mythology, "Percy Jackson and Poison Ivy as Medusa"). I mean, many enemy and background designs looked like a toned-down version of God of War. One can argue that there's not many different things production designers do with a cartoony and big spectacle version of Greek Mythology, but at least they should give credit  :P

Still, Clash is a nice watchable film that borders on guilty-pleasure, but still miles better than most of the big spectacle crap that makes money these days.