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What do you expect after being in the sewer most of your life?  The guy's been supressing himself big time. 

Figured he would have got with the Poodle Lady atleast ( now there's a lovely image  ).

My top 5 BR scenes go something like this:

1. Keaton's Bruce Wayne brooding at Wayne Manor, and his dramatic stance while staring at the Batsignal (this is usually the first thing that pops in my head whenever I think of Batman Returns).

2. The birth of Catwoman. Cats biting her fingers, eyes fluttering, good stuff.

3. Bruce and Selina's "Face to Face" identity reveal dance.

4. Any and all scenes with the Penguin getting excited about women ("I'd like to fill her void!", the girl with the dirty blonde hair, Catwoman), and the scene where Max entices Penguin with raw fish. Simply hilarious.

5. The entire "Good will towards men ... and women." ending scene with the eventual appearance of the Batsignal, and the reveal of Catwoman. Elfman's score really brought this one home.

Not to mention that there wouldn't be a confrontation of the "opposites". Clooney's Batman was full of corny one-liners & over the top action, & that's not an opposite to Joker's hilarious yet killer clownish behavior. Whereas Keaton had it all; the darkness, brooding manner, silent demeanor (I could go on ), etc.

To me, you can't have one without the other, no if's, and's, or but's.

Yeah, Clooney's Batman playing opposite of Nicholson's Joker would have been one of those times where I think ALOT of people would have said at some point, "Man, I sure wish it was Keaton up there instead!"

But then again, that was happening since 1995's Batman Forever. 

I couldnt either, Dark Knight Detective.

I think with Burton still at the helm, Nicholson returning for either a few hallucination scenes, or as an actual undead villain would have been something really special.

With Schumacher, eh .. Nicholson returning under his direction could have gone either way. It might have been entertaining, but it also might have been really over the top and completely devoid of any of the memorable darker elements and scenes that we saw with Nicholson in 1989.

I agree though, the fear gas hallucination would be better. Easier to explain and believe. But the 'zombie' thing could have allowed the character to return as a 'living and breathing' villain.

I agree as well. The zombie angle would have really worked well under Burton's direction, and though I tend to lean toward the fear gas hallucination scenario more (especially if the Scarecrow and Harley Quinn were already locked down), I wouldnt have mind seeing the Joker return as a actual undead villain as well.

It likely would have meant more screen time for Jack in his reprisal of the Joker, and that would have been more than fine with me. 

Yes, this was the piece of information I was thinking about when I mentioned having second thoughts of what could have happened to the Joker (had there been a third Burton Batman film), The Dark Knight.

Oh really? Nice.

Do you understand what I mean, now?

Sure, it's cleared up now. Despite the vagueness at first.   

Are you insane? Joker is flat out dead. He fell from the top of the Cathedral to the bottom.

Though I suppose if Burton brought in some monster men or something later down the line (which wouldn't really be out of place in his Batman universe), they could have resurrected his corpse and had a zombie Joker.

You know, I have a coffee table sized Batman book published in the early 1990's (around 1992 Batman Returns) titled, "Batmania", and there is indeed a section in the book that has Peters commenting about Nicholson returning as the Joker. Possibly for Batman III.

Needless to say, I've always wondered exactly HOW Warner Bros. and company were going to go about resurrecting him? Zombie Joker would be an option I suppose, but then again it would seem really dark to go with that direction, which was sincerely not the direction WB wanted to go with following Batman Returns.

The whole clone idea might have worked I suppose. I remember that's basically how he was going to be brought back from the dead in the once proposed "Superman vs Batman" film.

Personally, I would have been fine with the hallucination idea brought on by the Scarecrow's fear gas. Sure, it would have been a glorified cameo, but at the same time it would have given Jack the opportunity to reprise a role that he obviously has alot of affection for, and I would have LOVED to have seen that.

I recall a draft or something for Returns stated the Joker's body had gone missing...so....let your imagination wander. 

I remember talk of "The Joker's body has gone missing!" or something to that effect supposedly being the headline on one of the newspapers in "Batman Returns", but I think it was quickly proved as false.

He couldn't escape death in Bat89. No way in hell given that scenario! 
Good post re: the hair as well.

I was really referring to the comic book Joker in the DCU, which was why I threw in that comment about the "Death in the Family" arc. 

But yeah, I suppose audiences don't/wouldnt find the villain simply being thrown back into jail/prison, or in Batman's case, Arkham over and over again particularly satisfying.

Not to mention, as Grissom said, it's THE Joker - this guy always seemed to have mystic powers in a lot of instances in comics, movies, cartoons etc  

Joker certainly has a knack for cheating sure death on numerous occasions, which isnt a bad "power" when you are a villain (especially during the early 1940's).

Again with the hair dye, Joker could have been using one of those in-wash out dyes, but they usually take atleast 10 washes or more to completely come out. I doubt we are supposed to believe he was using a tinted mousse that would actually wash right out, but it's just one of those things that I try not to think about too much. As I remember Joker doing this in the comics at the time as well ("Death in the Family" arc comes to mind) where he disguised himself with a normal skin tone, and instead of brown hair ... it was jet black.

Of course he was back to his usual white faced, green haired self very soon after.

I'll have to go with the 1990's purple costume as well.

Honestly, it was around the time of Batman Returns that I started to collect comic books a little more seriously than I had before, which was very casually, and I vividly remember those covers of Catwoman in her purple costume for the Catwoman 1990's ongoing title, and thinking they were VERY eye catching to say the least.