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Misc. Burton / Re: Nicholson Joker Appreciati...
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#12
Other comics / Re: Wonder Woman (DC Comics)
Last post by The Joker - Sun, 12 May 2024, 06:28In 2001, DC Comics ran the "Just Imagine" series of titles, which featured Stan Lee's re-imaging of DC Superheroes. To which, Wonder Woman was one of these.
In this Stan Lee version of Wonder Woman, Wondy is not Diana Prince, but Maria Mendoza. Who wields a divine golden staff (empowered by a Sun God) that turns her into Wonder Woman.
I can't honestly say I was really crazy about this reimaging (or really any of the other "Just Imagine" books), but if there was a silver lining, is that the book does feature Jim Lee on cover art, as well as penciling the interiors as well.
Interesting enough experiment, sure. The novelty of Stan Lee dabbling with DC Superheroes was enough to peak some curiosity. Just not enough to really clamor for more.
#13
Comic Film & TV / Re: The Trial of the Incredibl...
Last post by The Joker - Sun, 12 May 2024, 06:11
#14
Other DC Films & TV / Re: Wonder Woman (2017)
Last post by The Laughing Fish - Sun, 12 May 2024, 03:51Chris Pine on Wonder Woman 3's cancellation:
https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/movies/chris-pine-stunned-wonder-woman-115201737.html
Not that financial merit makes an ounce of difference knowing who's in charge of DC Studios at the moment, but from what I read in WW84, I wish Steve Trevor was never brought back under those story circumstances for WW84. If they had to bring him back, a cameo would've been enough. Probably have Diana wish to speak to him and say farewell one more time before moving on.
Agreed on all counts. If I remember correctly, you say as somebody who otherwise wasn't a fan of Snyder's vision. The fact you still appreciate the intended arc for Wonder Woman unlike those in charge of the IP - both past and present - goes to show how shallow the management is.
Quote"I'm stunned that they said no to a billion-dollar franchise and decided to pivot elsewhere," Pine said to Business Insider. "I don't know what the reasoning was behind that; it's above my pay grade, but Wonder Woman is an incredible character; Patty is such a thoughtful director.
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In his interview, Pine noted that his character was "dead" and it would've been "ridiculous" to bring him back for a third film.
https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/movies/chris-pine-stunned-wonder-woman-115201737.html
Not that financial merit makes an ounce of difference knowing who's in charge of DC Studios at the moment, but from what I read in WW84, I wish Steve Trevor was never brought back under those story circumstances for WW84. If they had to bring him back, a cameo would've been enough. Probably have Diana wish to speak to him and say farewell one more time before moving on.
Quote from: Kamdan on Fri, 26 Apr 2024, 15:16QuoteI have never seen WW84, but from what I've read this picture was in the film. If that's so then I don't know what Patty Jenkins and Gal Gadot were thinking. They went from talking about how the original plan of Diana leaving humanity behind is supposedly going against the character - to have her do nothing and let the Holocaust happen? It doesn't make any sense.
Absolutely correct. They were totally tone deaf on handling this character with what was established from earlier. Totally embarrassing that someone actually photoshopped that picture. It's so frustrating that they threw away a terrific opportunity to have an immortal character like Diana be the wisest and most seasoned superhero living and fighting through atrocities throughout the 20th century and how certain events could make her hardened towards humanity and how people like Superman and Batman could convince her that people are worth saving. Instead, they got too focused on how glamorous Diana should be that just draws unwanted attention and how a superhero like her suffers because a cab will stop for a man instead of her.
Agreed on all counts. If I remember correctly, you say as somebody who otherwise wasn't a fan of Snyder's vision. The fact you still appreciate the intended arc for Wonder Woman unlike those in charge of the IP - both past and present - goes to show how shallow the management is.
#15
Other comics / Re: Superman 80th Anniversary ...
Last post by The Laughing Fish - Sun, 12 May 2024, 03:31I found a couple of videos reacting to the Death of Superman storyline back in 1992. The first video includes snippets of Roger Stern explaining how the concept was conceived and claimed Superman comics at the time were creator-driven, but John Byrne simply sees it as a gimmicky marketing ploy to sell comics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNJTdhLSIjo&ab_channel=crowT10
The next couple of videos are news reports gathering reactions to the storyline; one of them claiming Superman had an image problem and popularity was dwindling compared to the grittier characters at the time.
The concept for the whole saga may have been a marketing gimmick, but it still doesn't take away from some of the most emotional moments ever read in comics. Such as the scenes in Funeral For a Friend, when Ma and Pa Kent couldn't attend the public memorial so they said goodbye to Clark their own way by burying mementos in the same area they found him as an infant, and Jonathan's near-death experience finds him in an afterlife world where he fights hard to convince Clark not to give into death, culminating in Superman's coffin suddenly found empty. It's these sorts of moments that make Superman and his world greater than even his own fans give him credit for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNJTdhLSIjo&ab_channel=crowT10
The next couple of videos are news reports gathering reactions to the storyline; one of them claiming Superman had an image problem and popularity was dwindling compared to the grittier characters at the time.
The concept for the whole saga may have been a marketing gimmick, but it still doesn't take away from some of the most emotional moments ever read in comics. Such as the scenes in Funeral For a Friend, when Ma and Pa Kent couldn't attend the public memorial so they said goodbye to Clark their own way by burying mementos in the same area they found him as an infant, and Jonathan's near-death experience finds him in an afterlife world where he fights hard to convince Clark not to give into death, culminating in Superman's coffin suddenly found empty. It's these sorts of moments that make Superman and his world greater than even his own fans give him credit for.
#16
Arkhamverse Video Games / Re: New Batman: Arkham Game Co...
Last post by The Laughing Fish - Sun, 12 May 2024, 02:39The Suicide Squad game lost WBD $200 million.
https://www.businessinsider.com/suicide-squad-video-game-failed-cost-warner-brothers-2024-5
With news that WB's profits are down by 70%, I hope the bastards continue to lose more money.
https://www.businessinsider.com/suicide-squad-video-game-failed-cost-warner-brothers-2024-5
With news that WB's profits are down by 70%, I hope the bastards continue to lose more money.
#17
Other comics / Re: Superman 80th Anniversary ...
Last post by thecolorsblend - Sun, 12 May 2024, 02:35The timing sounds like that's when the Superman 2000 fiasco went down.
It's clear that Eddie Berganza maybe spoke a little out of turn when he offered the Superman titles to Waid, Peyer, Morrison and Millar. The story goes that when Mike Carlin came back from vacation and found out what Berganza had authorized, he personally cancelled the entire Superman 2000 program.
In retrospect, I see this as a great tragedy. Considering how mediocre to awful the Superman line of comics were in the early to mid 2000's, it's hard to imagine that the Superman 2000 relaunch would've somehow been worse.
"The things we could've done together..."
It's clear that Eddie Berganza maybe spoke a little out of turn when he offered the Superman titles to Waid, Peyer, Morrison and Millar. The story goes that when Mike Carlin came back from vacation and found out what Berganza had authorized, he personally cancelled the entire Superman 2000 program.
In retrospect, I see this as a great tragedy. Considering how mediocre to awful the Superman line of comics were in the early to mid 2000's, it's hard to imagine that the Superman 2000 relaunch would've somehow been worse.
"The things we could've done together..."
#18
Other DC Films & TV / Re: Superman (2025)
Last post by The Laughing Fish - Sun, 12 May 2024, 02:32https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2024/05/07/james-gunns-first-superman-image-looks-like-ai-and-the-suit-doesnt-fit/?sh=47eed2d54555
This mediocre costume has been memed to death, to the point that Forbes ran an article saying the photo reveal looks AI-generated. The backlash must've been a huge blow to Gunn's ego. Never mind Cavill's suits, Brandon Routh's Kingdom Come costume in the Arrowverse COIE suit looks WAY more cinematic than this. Even Hoechlin's suit in Superman and Lois is better.
I noticed that Gunn tried to pander to the Twitter crowd by showing off with him taking a picture with a group of Superman comics writers who were all wearing generic S logo t-shirts the following day, but this is just a PR attempt to distract people from the negative reaction to the costume.
However, who really gives a sh*t if the costume is good or bad? Leave it to the internet to freak out over a costume reveal, but shrug its shoulders over the creepiness and shadiness of the director.
This mediocre costume has been memed to death, to the point that Forbes ran an article saying the photo reveal looks AI-generated. The backlash must've been a huge blow to Gunn's ego. Never mind Cavill's suits, Brandon Routh's Kingdom Come costume in the Arrowverse COIE suit looks WAY more cinematic than this. Even Hoechlin's suit in Superman and Lois is better.
I noticed that Gunn tried to pander to the Twitter crowd by showing off with him taking a picture with a group of Superman comics writers who were all wearing generic S logo t-shirts the following day, but this is just a PR attempt to distract people from the negative reaction to the costume.
However, who really gives a sh*t if the costume is good or bad? Leave it to the internet to freak out over a costume reveal, but shrug its shoulders over the creepiness and shadiness of the director.
#19
Batman: TAS (1992 - 1995) / Re: BTAS 30th Anniversary Thre...
Last post by The Laughing Fish - Sun, 12 May 2024, 02:02Looking back at these commercials, I owned some of these toys. I had the original Batman with the grapple and a Bruce Wayne figure with Batsuit armour accessories you put on his body to become Batman. I even owned Two-Face, Robin and Catwoman - her cat Iris came as a plastic accessory so you could put her around Catwoman's neck.
The Bruce Wayne Batsuit armour must've been inspired by a similar toy in the Kenner Burton Batman toyline. Except this toy must've been inspired by The Dark Knight Returns. If a BTAS/TNBA revival were made today and did another take on the Legends of the Dark Knight episode, I've no doubt the animators would've drawn Batman wearing this suit to fight Superman.
#20
Other comics / Re: Which Runs Do You Read/Col...
Last post by The Laughing Fish - Sun, 12 May 2024, 01:42I'm currently reading some of Chris Claremont's X-Men run with the new team line-up introduced in 1975's Giant-Sized X-Men, from the moment all members of the original team minus Cyclops part ways to Thunderbird sacrificing himself to stop Count Nefaria. I continued reading through how Jean Grey became the Phoenix when she used all of her telepathic powers to absorb the solar flare in outer space to save everyone after the conflict with Steven Lang - the character himself was another racism allegory, started Project Armageddon in an attempt to wipe out the mutant race starting with the X-Men. While reading through these issues, Storm's backstory was explored and showed she suffered from claustrophia due to the tragedy of losing her parents during the Suez Wars (a brief real-life war conflict in Egypt during some time in the 1950s) and how she found them dead while she was buried in the rubble. That was the reason she kept suffering from PTSD and became paralysed with emotion while the rest of the X-Men were ambushed by Black Tom Cassidy and Juggernaut during a vacation in Ireland.
Great run, and it really expanded X-Men's mythos into something distinctive and unique compared to the rest of the wider Marvel universe. Despite all the talk about what's woke nowadays, these comics written Claremont didn't shy away from sociopolitical and even psychological themes, but he wrote them with tact. Without Claremont, I doubt the X-Men would be among some of the most iconic characters in comics today.
Even putting aside the themes, I enjoyed the little moments in these issues, such as the narration berating Wolverine for discarding flowers he had just bought for Jean Grey for the same lack of care of human life because his planned private moment with her in the hospital was interrupted when all the X-Men showed up, a Star Trek homage when a Shi'ar Empire starship was recording a status report as they hunt Lilandra across the galaxy, and Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Dave Cockrum and Claremont made funny cameos in some of the panels. Some of this stuff you don't get to see in comics anymore.
Great run, and it really expanded X-Men's mythos into something distinctive and unique compared to the rest of the wider Marvel universe. Despite all the talk about what's woke nowadays, these comics written Claremont didn't shy away from sociopolitical and even psychological themes, but he wrote them with tact. Without Claremont, I doubt the X-Men would be among some of the most iconic characters in comics today.
Even putting aside the themes, I enjoyed the little moments in these issues, such as the narration berating Wolverine for discarding flowers he had just bought for Jean Grey for the same lack of care of human life because his planned private moment with her in the hospital was interrupted when all the X-Men showed up, a Star Trek homage when a Shi'ar Empire starship was recording a status report as they hunt Lilandra across the galaxy, and Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Dave Cockrum and Claremont made funny cameos in some of the panels. Some of this stuff you don't get to see in comics anymore.