Disgusted!!

[DocLathropBrown]

I hope and predict that this is just coincidence and not a new trend, however, I find the special features of TDK to present a similar conundrum. Not even as much as a whisper is made about the old Batman films at any point on any of the special features. Even the one where it is called something like the psychology of a super-hero, every single reference of any psychological profile etc. about Batman is made either about Begins or TDK.

I mean I might be a little one sided being such an 89 and Returns fan, but it literally seems as if the special features were making a significant effort to make sure no past Batman films accept Begins were mentioned as credible sources of this super-hero psychology.

Thats because its their world they've created and theyre proud of it and they have a good right to be ( the past films before BB have nothing to do with what they're talking about), you dont hear Burton referencing the Nolan films or Schumacher's films in his interviews on the SE of 89 or BR do you? NO you dont, same thing!

That's because BB was being made when the SE material was being filmed. Didn't exactly have a chance to do so, did they?

The TV specials shouldn't have been so one sided. Batman doesn't only exist in Nolan's films, y'know. It would have been nice if, like the Superman TV stuff from the time SR came out, it covered ALL Batman material. All it does is further differentiate the two franchises instead of creating a unified consciousness of them.

[Joker81]

Your theory wouldn't surprise me.  Really, DC is becoming similar to what MTV was in the mid to late 90's.  Rather than setting the trends, it simply reflects them.  There was a time when the comics set the tone for the adaptations.  More and more, I've noticed that the comics have simply started to reflect the prevailing trend (they ditched the yellow oval after the oval-less thing became popular on the WB BTAS; Superman's Fortress of Solitude is basically directly from the Reeve movies nowadays; etc).

Funny you should say that. I just recieved the graphic novel 'Joker' in the post and it is obvious that the drawings of the Joker in this new comic have all been inspired by Ledgers Joker!!!

Now I was going to start a different topic about this, but one thing I didnt want to happen is that every Batman comic that has the Joker in it from now on in does not look or act like Ledgers Joker!

But I think its inevitable, isnt it??

UMMMMM if some of you did some research those drawings were made before Ledger's Joker had even started in production, those drawings for your info, were most of the influence on why they did The Joker the way they did in TDK.

Dont you guys ever read interviews on here, this is old old old news, like older than a year!That and for those of you who get so mad because batman fans arent "open-minded" your sounding like what you hate the most.

The Joker can be anything you want him to be, he dosent have to stick to exactly what we've seen in the ga-zillion comics with The Joker in them up until now, why not have something fresh rather than re-hash the same stuff we've gotten for the past , hmmm almost 70 years!

Again, Lee's Joker design and stories were being done before they even decided how to do Ledger's Joker in the film, it was a huge influence on their decision, which was a perfect one at that, dont re-hash something we've already seen a bunch, do a new fresh original take, and thats exactly what we got, with the comic and the film! If you want your other versions of The Joker go find your old comics or graphic novels and read those, this is something new, if you dont like it, done read it, watch it, or look at it.

-DV

What are you talking about?

The book was made in 2008. The drawings in the book are quite clearly drawn from stills of ledger as the Joker!

And to me TDK is a one off. DC should not let Hollywood rewrite or dictate who the Joker is and should be. Who the fans know him as for over 70 years.

[DarkVengeance]

Actually the book was being drawn and in production before TDK, once I find the articles, Ill post them, just because it was released in '08 dosent mean it was written, drawn and inked in '08.

[Joker81]

Actually the book was being drawn and in production before TDK, once I find the articles, Ill post them, just because it was released in '08 dosent mean it was written, drawn and inked in '08.

Well thats fair enough, I understand that. But how do you explain that the drawings in the book LOOK like Heath Ledger??

[DarkVengeance]

I dont necassarily think they look like Heath Ledger himself, I think theyre similar to the "look" of Ledger's Joker, which is why they are both simlar looking. LIke I said, Ledger used this art as reference, they didnt use Ledger for reference for the drawings, you get what Im saying?

[Joker81]

I know what your saying

Although, how could Ledger get his hands on the art if the book wasnt published until 17th october 2008??

[DocLathropBrown]

I know what your saying and its crap lol

How could Ledger get his hands on the art if the book wasnt published until 17th october 2008??

Post a few pics, it is Heath Ledger drew up to look like the Joker.

This is what I think, the artist knew Heath would be playing the Joker and used promo pics of Heath as the Joker, and just as himself, and he added in the scares and and stuff.

Someone please post pics and tell me it is not Heath Ledger!!!

Lee Bujermo's (sp?) Joker art has been around for a few years, I can vouch for this. DV is right. Obviously, a GN with Lee's Joker was decided to be made with the success of TDK, though.

DV is right. Just because you don't agree doesn't make DV's statements "crap." And why would he have been wrong? Maybe doing some research into the topic yourself would have proven DV's statements to you.

I expected better of you being a member of this community, Joker81.

[Joker81]

Yes they say that Ledger did not influence their drawings, a bit strange tho dont you think?

Someone is ripping off someone along the line. And how long do you think TDK was in production???

2 years?

[DocLathropBrown]

Yes they say that Ledger did not influence their drawings, a bit strange tho dont you think?

Someone is ripping off someone along the line. And how long do you think TDK was in production???

2 years?

Good God, it's not rocket science. Lee's Joker has been around for a few years (like, 5 or 6). He did some elseworlds kind of tale or penciled Detective Comics for a couple of issues (something like that) and when they started to develop TDK, Ledger and Nolan liked the idea and adapted ideas from his art into the film production.

Now, the final GN may have tweaked art from Lee to better tie into Ledger's specific looks, but tie-ins are what companies do. It's marketing and capitalism. It ain't the end of the damn world, man!

[Joker81]

Well according to the writter he posted pics back in 2005, thats only 3 - 3 and a half  years ago.

Well, its a bit strange all the same.

It seems we are agreeing to disagree here. The Joker looks like ledger, or does ledger look like the joker?