The Worst Video Ever

Started by Gotham Knight, Wed, 20 Oct 2021, 21:37

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Here's a video about Tim Burton's work. This is the comment I left:

"No disrespect intended, but I thought this was by far one of the worst takes (so much so that I thought you were joking half the time) I've ever seen. It was petty, vindictive, and seemed to operate from the worst faith interpretations of Burton's work imaginable. I left this video thinking you had a personal issue with the director and I wonder what he did. To be fair, I'm a fan of his, so I guess there wasn't really any other way for me to see it, but I call it as I see it. This was really bad."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inXrIYr2V_U&t=1s

That uptalking harpy's future (or present) probably resembles...


Maggie Mae Fish is a bullsh*t artist who makes YouTube videos in bad faith. She has a habit of making petty videos towards directors she hates with dishonest criticism, not just Tim Burton. Don't give that troll any more of your views.
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

I noticed more bloggers have criticised Tim Burton for his "lack of diversity". The basis of these articles was a comment Burton made five years ago when he was asked about diversity in films.

https://web.archive.org/web/20211015170601/https://www.dailylobo.com/article/2021/10/opinion-tim-burton-films-lack-representation
https://web.archive.org/web/20211105165632/https://theaggie.org/2021/10/29/commentary-tim-burtons-films-are-disturbingly-not-diverse/

I haven't seen Frankenweenie and I've only seen parts of Burton's version of Charlie of the Chocolate Factory, so I can't comment on any of the accusations of racist caricatures. But what I can say is I do find it very curious how neither of these blogs mentioned anything about the black heroes in Mars Attacks!, when Byron Williams fought against the Martians to buy time for Tom Jones and co to escape, or his kids firing back at the Martians' raid at the White House to save the President earlier on.

I don't appreciate the cheap, disingenuous ways these blogs are using other films in Burton's catalogue to imply examples of racism. Last I remembered, Tim Roth was General Thade, the main villain of the 2001 version of Planet of the Apes, so highlighting Michael Clarke Duncan playing the murderous ape character is cherry-picking at best. I would've thought the choice to cast Billy Dee Williams as Harvey Dent in B89 was progressive at the time, especially how Williams went on record saying he would've loved to play Two-Face, but these bloggers think they know better. If it weren't for the Batman '89 comics, Dent would've remained the good District Attorney who never went bad.

From what I've noticed about Burton in his heyday, he made movies surrounding Gothic imagery and sometimes parody the culture of the mid-20th century. Burton's characters tend to be over the top and cartoonish, but I don't see any malicious intent to express racist ideology, at least in the films I saw. This is nothing more than an agenda fueled by modern day identity politics, by writers who aren't even honest in their assessment of his filmography.
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

This whole discussion was birthed out of the fact that someone had to point out Samuel L. Jackson was the first black actor to have a lead role in a Tim Burton film. Since it was the villain, this whole racist discussion got heated up. The fact that he previously had black supporting characters had no impact on their discussion. I've argued until I'm blue in the face about how there has been representation as far back as Pee-wee's Big Adventure, but the argument still stands that his films still haven't had a lead diverse character. It is a shame when a character only matters if they are a lead and nothing is accounted for their bearing on the story. I always had tremendous respect for the Officer Allen character in Edward Scissorhands, more so than the others who would be considered the leads.

Quote from: Gotham Knight on Wed, 20 Oct  2021, 21:37
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inXrIYr2V_U&t=1s



QuoteThis is the comment I left:

"No disrespect intended, but I thought this was by far one of the worst takes (so much so that I thought you were joking half the time) I've ever seen. It was petty, vindictive, and seemed to operate from the worst faith interpretations of Burton's work imaginable. I left this video thinking you had a personal issue with the director and I wonder what he did. To be fair, I'm a fan of his, so I guess there wasn't really any other way for me to see it, but I call it as I see it. This was really bad."

"It's a great feeling, boy, it's a real great feeling when you're right and you KNOW you're right." - Paul Newman The Hustler


"Imagination is a quality given a man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humour was provided to console him for what he is."

Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Fri, 22 Oct  2021, 15:32
Maggie Mae Fish is a bullsh*t artist who makes YouTube videos in bad faith. She has a habit of making petty videos towards directors she hates with dishonest criticism, not just Tim Burton. Don't give that troll any more of your views.

I read the other day that Maggie Mae Fish is a distant relative to early 20th century serial killer Albert Fish, who devoured children. I found the podcast where she talked about it.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gh/podcast/descendant-of-the-original-boogeyman-albert-fish/id1373812661?i=1000417348424

She is quite cheerful about her great grandfather - or whatever the f*** he was - committing gruesome, depraved acts against children...while her and the POS host took a moment to sh*t on Tim Burton in the beginning.

f*** this horrible witch. I am utterly disgusted.  >:(
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Fri, 21 Jan  2022, 14:23
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Fri, 22 Oct  2021, 15:32
Maggie Mae Fish is a bullsh*t artist who makes YouTube videos in bad faith. She has a habit of making petty videos towards directors she hates with dishonest criticism, not just Tim Burton. Don't give that troll any more of your views.

I read the other day that Maggie Mae Fish is a distant relative to early 20th century serial killer Albert Fish, who devoured children. I found the podcast where she talked about it.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gh/podcast/descendant-of-the-original-boogeyman-albert-fish/id1373812661?i=1000417348424

She is quite cheerful about her great grandfather - or whatever the f*** he was - committing gruesome, depraved acts against children...while her and the POS host took a moment to sh*t on Tim Burton in the beginning.

f*** this horrible witch. I am utterly disgusted.  >:(

Let me put to you this way. I'm a lefty, a proud lefty. I'm a lefty that agrees generally speaking with most socially liberal positions, even some that might considered SJW stuff. I'm pro equal rights, I'm pro Black Lives Matter, trans women are women.

Even I think this Maggie Mae Fish is a weirdo extremist. She's either so far inside her own bubble that she doesn't realize that she is the shadowy reflection of extremism on the right or she is intentionally part of problem. Either way, she is the lefty that makes other leftys want to cover themselves with the mountains and die. Her attack on Burton was predicated om a some barely objectionable thing that he said (yeah I wasn't too thrilled with what he said either, but I'm a grown up who knows it didn't come from an ugly place, I knew he meant nothing bad) and she calculated this worst faith response using her abilities as a content producer to peddle nonsense. When you have a good presentation, you can BS anyone.

Regardless of the politics, Maggie Mae Fish was already a piece of trash for slandering other people and using arguments in bad faith to get clicks. But this podcast shows how depraved she really is. I listened to it for about ten minutes before I had to turn it off, because I couldn't stand her hideous cackling over the details of her relative's horrific crimes.

I read about Albert Fish years ago, so I'm already familiar with what he had done. The fact she makes light of his vile acts against kids is not only obscene, it's downright evil. It doesn't matter if these crimes took place nearly a century ago, the details are just as disturbing to this very day.

This only confirms to me that A) her attacks against ANYONE carries even less weight and B) insanity runs in the family.
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei