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Neither did Gal Gadot or Jason Mamoa (who we know is still attached to DC *for now*) because they were all Cameos and those dont have to be credited.

Jeremy Irons, Temurea Morrison were credited so take that as you will

Affleck had more screen time than Irons in that whole baby shower sequence alone, yet the latter gets credited? That makes no sense.

I think it's just a weird industry thing. Plus Afflecks screentime was extended (with reports he wouldnt of even worn the Batsuit and thats why he looks weird *because is a suit made for a stunt double*). In the special features Andy Muschietti even talks about Affleck expanding his role and being hands on (and given the freedom he gave Keaton, and allowed Miller to co-write a scene in the middle of filming) it does not seem far fetched.

Watching Affleck and Gaddot (and to some extend Miller) have fun on set, in a very similar way they did on ZSJL is good enough for me even if the film was not what is was supposed to from inception. After the crap they had to go thru with the JL reshoots. I'm just happy seeing them have fun as the charaters again.

Zack Snyder shared these portraits taken by Clay Enos on VERO, in preparation for the Snyderverse charity event this weekend.

These woulda made some nice collectable cards

I read that Ben Affleck's name did NOT appear in the closing credits of The Flash at all. This is despite the fact his footage and his bat insignia appeared in the trailers.

I would've thought maybe he requested to get his name removed because of the shoddy quality of the final product, what's strange is Affleck attended the red carpet premiere.

Was this Gunn and WBD's petty little way of punishing him for not wanting to direct under Gunn? Remember, Gunn declared Affleck wanted to be an architect for this DCU agenda. I can imagine he must've felt very embarrassed and upset after being exposed for that lie.

Neither did Gal Gadot or Jason Mamoa (who we know is still attached to DC *for now*) because they were all Cameos and those dont have to be credited.

Jeremy Irons, Temurea Morrison were credited so take that as you will

I mean, hate it or leave it. Ben Affleck had a lot of involvement in his scenes and we know for a face he enjoyed working on it and finally "understood the character". I personally think he got it in BVS. But I don't see this as the slap in the face that theatrical JL was.

Sounds like they dropped the voice modulator and that's something I don't entirely hate cause I don't mind his natural Batman voice (could also be a metaphor for being more human).

Batman has been retired for 25 years (whenever that is) 2:47
https://youtu.be/Y9RfhbH0GEQ

He's talking about catching up with Batman after 30 years. So then it seems he was Batman till around 1997/8ish wich is rougly when the film series ended.

He quits because he kills a bad guy infront of kid and that causes him to shut away his Batman side. Wich is exactly what I thought the Dark Knight Returns reference was with the alcohol. I do think this isnt 100% the definitive reason given whats explained in the film.

There is a deleted scene that does mention this story (young Barry reading it somewhere). But I think there is still an argument to be made that this is 100% the Burton Batman (and the theatrical edit offers and excuse for the Shumacher films to be cannon)

Edit: I rewatched the deleted scene and it's hinted that Keaton knows alot about time travel because he's looked into it to try and prevent himself from killing that guy.

This must be the deleted scene you're talking about:

https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1682851290542403584

For anybody who can't see the video, this how it goes: Batman, Barry and the Flash are taking a trip to Siberia in the Batwing. Flash tells the other Barry about the rumour of Batman killing the criminal in front of his kid and that might be the real reason why he quit. Flash also suspected Batman already had experience with time travel, and that would explain how he understood the concept so perfectly. The other Barry realises this and says Batman might be trying to fix the timeline, like he tried to fix his own. Flash urged Barry to ask Batman, but Barry refuses, just as Batman announces they have arrived at the Russian secret facility.

I can understand why it got deleted: it takes the spotlight away from Barry, and it undermines Bruce's reason over Gotham City becoming one of the safest places in the world as an excuse to retire. Keeping that scene in the final cut would make Bruce a liar, particularly if there was no real thought into expanding the idea of him fixing his own timeline.

As I said before, I don't ever plan to watch the whole film, and from what I've already seen online, there was no way of saving The Flash anyway. Even putting the studio fiasco aside, the whole plot was nearly identical to the Reddit leaks I didn't like, and the tone and CGI was completely off-putting.

The first time we see Keaton attacking both Barrys in the kitchen and the way he used spaghetti to explain how the multiverse works is very goofy stuff.  The best scene I've watched so far was Batman single-handedly beating up all of the Russian guards, which is admittedly the greatest fight scene that Keaton's Batman ever filmed...and yet, it still gets blemished by the shot of Barry vomiting after he was saved by Flash's super-speed. Stupid, gross attempt at humour.

I will say, the film mostly works and humor mostly works. I sat in theatres and was not only embarrassed for the film but had spiderman 3 levels of "this feels off" during the opening baby shower scene but the film has a lot of heart and reason to exist. Plus it makes ZSJL cannon.

Overall, it's probly the best DC film since Aquaman (if we're not counting ZSJL/

Went thru all the special features and the main making of is fantastic. Probly one of the best I've seen in a long time.

It was also nice to see how hands on Affleck was with his Batman scenes.

My mood on all this has soured. Keaton's Batman retired for 25 years? That doesn't wash with me, especially as someone who preferred a longer career for him. A 25 year retirement makes his sprightly return in the movie all the more absurd. Not really buying his reason for retiring in Andy's mind either. Is Batman, particularly this Batman, so mushy? We were told Batman's retirement was because he wasn't needed anymore. Gotham was safe. So which is it, Andy? I'd prefer the latter, but here he is twisting things in knots.

Our childhood Batman's lore is suddenly at the whim of a guy who popped up in recent years to direct The Flash? The B89 comic just didn't hit the mark in terms of providing a thematic or narrative continuation, and The Flash is no better really. It doesn't feel authentic because we know it's not from the original creative minds from back in the day. It's all well after the fact.

The Burton Batman universe is so specific in aesthetic and atmosphere that any attempt to continue it can't get close. Burton's two films had backstory but it was subtle, and let your mind wander to fill in your own blanks. Such as the trophy room being from Bruce's early travels. The whole thing should have just been left to F'ing be.

There is a deleted scene that does mention this story (young Barry reading it somewhere). But I think there is still an argument to be made that this is 100% the Burton Batman (and the theatrical edit offers and excuse for the Shumacher films to be cannon)

Edit: I rewatched the deleted scene and it's hinted that Keaton knows alot about time travel because he's looked into it to try and prevent himself from killing that guy.

For anyone who doesn't want to watch the entire featurette, here's the most interesting quote from Muschietti:

"If Bruce Wayne, as the story tells, has been retired for twenty-five years, what happened to him? I always said something should have happened to Bruce Wayne to [make him] want to stop being Batman. And my idea was he did something that goes against his code: he killed a criminal in front of his [the criminal's] child. Unknowingly, but he still did it. Which is an exact mirroring situation of what happened to him when his parents were killed in front of the Monarch Theatre, and that created that 'monster' that Batman is. So he just couldn't cope with it, and that's why he decided to shut off his other side, Batman, and he hasn't been able to forgive himself. And now the way we find him is a bit of, like, the evolution of that journey. You know, he's a tragic figure. He's basically a character that is in search of redemption, but eventually finds a way to do it by helping Barry."

I don't recall any of this being referenced in the finished film. I hope there's at least one deleted scene where this is all explained, because it sounds like Bruce was meant to have a much deeper character arc. If so, The Flash really is Batman Forever all over again – in both movies Bruce Wayne was meant to have a more dramatic storyline in which he's wrestling with unresolved guilt issues that directly concern his present motives, and in both movies the scenes explaining this were cut.

If WB has any respect for the fans (ha!) they'll release the deleted scenes and let us assemble a decent Batman movie out of all this.

As to the backstory Muschietti came up with, it's actually quite interesting and could've worked. It reminds me of the Batman Beyond Bruce quitting after he broke his code by using a gun. We know the Burton Batman is willing to kill and use guns, so neither of those things alone would have driven him into retirement. But killing a criminal in front of that criminal's child? That's a different story. We saw how strongly Bruce reacted to Oswald's parental loss ("His parents... I hope he finds them"), so just imagine how he'd react to knowing that he himself was the cause of such loss. That he was the one who orphaned an innocent kid. I could see the guilt of that pushing him over the edge.

I just wonder how he killed him unknowingly. Like kicked him too hard or dropped him off a roof ala Nolan and he died later? Given the character development he got in Returns, I assume it wasnt on purpose in the same way he killed in 89/Returns.

Batman has been retired for 25 years (whenever that is) 2:47
https://youtu.be/Y9RfhbH0GEQ

He's talking about catching up with Batman after 30 years. So then it seems he was Batman till around 1997/8ish wich is rougly when the film series ended.

He quits because he kills a bad guy infront of kid and that causes him to shut away his Batman side. Wich is exactly what I thought the Dark Knight Returns reference was with the alcohol. I do think this isnt 100% the definitive reason given whats explained in the film.

This shot here is what I feel like a Tim Burton Superman/girl could look like. I know he was doing Superman in the late 90s, but thats when he started doing more "generic-ish" films.