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#3601
A few more things to add...

I posted in another thread about the 1989-91 Batman comic strip by Max Allan Collins and Marshall Rogers, and how the series was commissioned as a kind of follow-up to the 1989 movie. In that regard, the comic strip itself can be seen as an alternative sequel to the movie. Especially since the first two villains to appear in it were Catwoman and the Penguin. In the Catwoman storyline, the depiction of Selina Kyle is quite different from the version in the mainstream comics at the time.

Unlike the pre-Zero Hour comics, this version of Catwoman is a cold-blooded killer. She slashes people to death with her claws and displays no remorse afterwards. This has to be one of the most vicious interpretations of the character I've seen in any medium.

It should be instantly familiar to anyone who's read Sam Hamm's script for Batman 2. The early plot point in Hamm's script about Batman being blamed for a recent spate of vigilante killings – when in reality it is Catwoman who is responsible – was taken directly from this comic. The overall characterisation of Catwoman as a cold-blooded killer is also consistent with Hamm's script.



The Catwoman in Batman: The Animated Series was also influenced by this comic strip. Perhaps most notably in Catwoman's alter ego. Here Selina is depicted as a wealthy philanthropist who runs an art gallery in order to raise money to help disadvantaged youths. The comic story ends with Batman and Catwoman about to embrace, only for Batman to suddenly slap a pair of handcuffs on her. This was reused in 'The Cat and the Claw' two-parter in the TV show.



As far as her origin story goes, this Selina was a member of a gang of drug dealers known as the Crime Alley Cats. Selina was the girlfriend of the gang's leader and sold drugs on his behalf, which in turn resulted in her being arrested and sent to prison.



Selina then kicked the habit and decided to turn her life around. She started by targeting the very gang she'd once served. The first few times we see her she's attacking drug dealers in alleyways. Sometimes she kills them, other times she simply slashes their faces with her claws and sends them off to warn the other drug dealers. These scenes are visually similar to Catwoman's first costumed scene in Catwoman: Her Sister's Keeper where she slashes Stan's face after fighting him in an alley; or her first costumed scene in Batman Returns where she slashes the face of a would-be rapist.



Batman intercedes and stops her from killing a drug dealer. She says that she became Catwoman following his example, and he tells her it's not their place to kill lowlifes. The underlying theme behind their conversation is similar to their discussions about Shreck in Batman Returns.



It turns out that all the drugs are coming from a rich gangster named Mr. 'Bull' Pitt. He could be seen as the Max Shreck of this story, and it's ultimately him that Selina goes after. She finally kills him by pulling him out of the window of his office - an inversion of what Shreck did to Selina in the movie.



This story also features a nine-lives gag.




Here are some more comics dealing with the nine-lives motif.

I mentioned a while ago that two Catwoman comic stories were referenced in the comic history chapter of Michael Singer's Batman Returns: The Official Movie Book – 'Shadow of the Cat' (Batman #323 – 324, 1980) and Catwoman: Her Sister's Keeper. I've already written quite a bit about Catwoman: Her Sister's Keeper, which was of course the canonical origin story of the pre-Zero Hour Catwoman before it was retconned in 1993. But after rereading 'Shadow of the Cat' I've found some more things to say about that story too.

First of all, the cover art.



There's a certain Batman Returns vibe going on here. Both covers show Batman and Catwoman in the sewers. On the first cover we see Catwoman attacking Batman with her claws. A classic snapshot of the Batman/Catwoman feud, except here Batman isn't striking back. That's because this story took place during the period when Selina had reformed and was living a law-abiding life. She reassumes the mantle in this story because she was told in the previous issue – 'Chaos – Coming and Going!' (Batman #322, 1980) – that she had contracted an exotic disease during her tenure as Catwoman, and that if she didn't steal a rare Egyptian remedy she'd be dead within a month. In this story Cat-Man has stolen the remedy from a museum and Catwoman has been blamed. So she sets off to recover the medicine and get revenge on Cat-Man. Batman's role is to try and resolve the situation while steering Selina back onto the path of lawfulness, similar to the finale of Batman Returns. The second cover shows what might have been had Batman found Selina's remains at the end of the movie – emerging from the sewers in his own damaged costume, carrying the wounded Selina in his arms.

What's most interesting about this story though is that it marks the end of the 'nine lives' story arc that began with the introduction of Cat-Man back in the 1960s. To properly explain this we need to look at the history of the Cat-Man character, as well as Bob Kane's original concept behind the Cat-villain motif. On page 16 of Batman Returns: The Official Movie Book the question of why Selina dresses as a cat is directed at Kane.

QuoteWhy a cat? "Well, a cat has nine lives," Kane emphasizes. "So I figured that whenever she was caught, or wounded, she would survive and live again for another go-round with Batman."

This element of feline endurance was the earliest characteristic to be displayed by the character in the comics, even before she got her cowl, claws, whip or alter ego. Back when she was simply known as 'The Cat' she still displayed this uncanny ability to pull off unlikely escapes. At the end of her first appearance in 'The Cat' (Batman #1, 1940) she leaps out of a speeding motorboat into the sea. At the end of her second appearance in 'The Joker Meets the Cat-Woman' (Detective Comics #2, 1940) she jumps from a rope ladder hanging from the Bat-Plane and plummets into the sea again. Both times escaping from Batman and evading capture.

This survival-trait of the character, along with her flirty relationship with Batman, were the earliest recurring elements of Catwoman's personality. I've already mentioned some other stories that highlighted the nine-lives theme in more detail – specifically the Golden Age story 'Nine Lives Has the Catwoman' and the Silver Age story 'The Case of the Purr-loined Pearl!'. But the comic writers went on to explore it in more detail through the character of Cat-Man.

Cat-Man first appeared in 'The Challenge of the Cat-Man' (Detective Comics #311, January 1963). At the end of that story he appeared to perish after plunging over a cataract. Batman wonders if there's any truth to the notion that cats have nine lives...



...and clearly there is, for Cat-Man returned later that year in 'The Cat-Man Strikes Back' (Detective Comics #318, August 1963). At the end of this story he seemingly dies again, this time when he crashes his motorboat into a buoy and it explodes. Batman again wonders if he could have survived since he still has seven lives left.



And of course Cat-Man returned yet again in 'The Strange Lives of the Cat-Man' (Detective Comics #325, March 1964). Here it was explained that Cat-Man's nine lives were indeed supernatural. Apparently he'd made his costume from a material from a Pacific island where the natives worshipped cats. In later comics the supernatural properties of his costume would be treated with more ambiguity, suggesting that his survival stemmed from good luck rather than paranormal causes. But in this story it is clearly, unambiguously supernatural. Cat-Man loses his third life when he dives off a cliff....



...his fourth life when he gets electrocuted...



...and his fifth life when he walks through fire.



Batwoman then dresses in the Cat-Woman costume Cat-Man made for her using the materials from his own suit. She uses up three of his four remaining lives – once to save Batman and Robin from the burning rooftop where Cat-Man had left them, a second time after driving her motorcycle over a ravine, and a third time when she leaps from a skyscraper. With only one life remaining, Cat-Man is then safely locked away behind bars.



Cat-Man didn't face off against Batman again for another 16 years, but he did finally return in the Bronze Age story 'Shadow of the Cat'. As mentioned earlier, Selina Kyle was dying from a recently diagnosed illness. At the end of the story she makes a miraculous recovery from this disease after ripping off part of Cat-Man's costume. The ending is ambiguous, with Bruce Wayne doubting the supernatural nature of her recovery but at a loss to explain it in any other way. Selina herself firmly believes that she has survived by taking one of Cat-Man's nine lives for herself.



Unlike previous stories – where Catwoman's nine-lives ability was presented as simply good luck or trickery – it is here presented as 100% supernatural. This event would be mentioned in later comics whenever Catwoman and Cat-Man clashed; with both of them believing that Selina stole one of Blake's lives, even though the other characters remain sceptical. And as I mentioned earlier, 'Shadow of the Cat' was referenced in the Batman Returns movie book. Coincidence? Perhaps...

Most comics don't bother to explain or justify why Selina dresses as a cat. Batman Returns is one of the few times a compelling reason was given to explain why she did. In creating ambiguity regarding her nine lives, Burton restored the mystical totemic dimension to the character that'd been absent from the comics since the pre-Crisis era. In short, by having Selina relate her good luck to her feline totem, it created a valid psychological reason for her to adopt the mantle of the cat. It doesn't matter if she really does possess supernatural abilities (and according to Burton's DVD commentary she doesn't); it only matters that she believes she does and that she relates her own survival instincts to her totem. I would argue that this is best explanation to date for why she would dress as a cat. If you approach the issue from a rational standpoint it makes no sense why a female criminal would dress as a cat instead of simply wearing a less conspicuous stealth suit. But if you approach it from a psychological/mystical perspective like Burton did, it starts to make more sense. At least that's what I think.

Anyway, that's all I've got on Batman Returns for the moment.
#3602
Here's an interesting thread on SuperHeroHype.com. One user has measured the exact amount of time Batman is onscreen in each movie and calculated a percentage proportionate to the overall runtime. The results might surprise some people.

Batman – 21%
Batman Returns – 17-18%
Batman Forever – 19%
Batman and Robin – 15%
Batman Begins – 16%
The Dark Knight – 16%

So Batman has a higher percentage of screen time in Batman Returns than he does in B&R, BB and TDK (though this doesn't take into account Bruce Wayne scenes). For a full breakdown of how this was calculated, you can see the original thread here.
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=335105
It's quite impressive. I'd be interested to see equivalent breakdowns for Bruce Wayne and the Joker.
#3603
Misc Comics / Re: DC universe to be rebooted
Wed, 1 Jun 2011, 23:14
I may be wrong about this, but I think Singer's aborted sequel to Superman Returns was tentatively titled 'Superman: The Man of Steel'. Late last year IESB acquired a treatment of the script and released a summary on the internet. The title on the treatment, as they reported it, was 'Superman: The Man of Steel'. All the fan posters I've seen had that title too. The word 'Superman' wasn't dropped from the title until Nolan and Snyder came onboard, whereupon it was shortened to simply 'The Man of Steel'. Then earlier this year it was abbreviated yet again to just 'Man of Steel'.

It probably was just done to copy The Dark Knight. But I can't help wondering if there's more to it than that. Especially since they suddenly dropped 'The' from the title. The only logical explanation I can think of for why they might have done that is if the term 'The Man of Steel' was one of the things Siegel's lawyers were gunning for. Or maybe I'm just reading too much into it. Either way, I'd be interested to know when the term Man of Steel first appeared in the comics.

I've also been hearing rumours that Cavill's costume will be updated to get rid of the trunks. If those rumours are true then the new suit in the comics might be modelled on the one from the upcoming movie. Kind of like how the Superman Blue/Superman Red idea was resurrected in the late 90s at the same time the electric-look Superman was being developed for Burton's Superman Lives.
#3604
Misc Comics / Re: DC universe to be rebooted
Wed, 1 Jun 2011, 16:55
This Judgement of Solomon resolution is a worst-case scenario. Hopefully it won't come to that. If it does though, I think the title 'Superman' goes to Siegel's side. Which would explain why the new movie is called Man of Steel, as opposed to the more logical Superman: The Man of Steel. This, along with the new costume design in the comics, could be DC's way of covering its bases in case things turn sour in court.

The outcome of the trial could also set a worrying precedent that might affect other comics. People are already drawing parallels between this case and McFarlane vs. Gaiman a few years back, where Gaiman was granted co-ownership of certain Spawn characters, even though he'd written them under a work-for-hire agreement. Imagine if the heirs of other comic creators started coming out of the woodwork and demanding royalties for characters their relatives created. Bill Finger's estate would have a field day with the Batman franchise (though there'd be some justice in that particular example).

As far as the reboot in the comics goes, I'll reserve judgement for the time being. Though I agree with BatmAngelus about the redesigned costumes looking poor.

QuoteCavill could very easily turn into another Routh.

Some people are now predicting that Warner Bros will pull the plug on Man of Steel before shooting even commences. I doubt this will happen though. They have to get the movie underway by the end of the year or else start paying damages to Siegel and Shuster's estates. But they might possibly delay its release to sometime in 2013; partly to avoid competing with The Hobbit at the Christmas box office, but also to take into account the outcome of the court case. If everything is neatly resolved then they could change the title to Superman: The Man of Steel at the last minute. But they won't want to do that if there's any risk of them losing the rights to the title 'Superman' a few months later. If that happens, they'd be in the same situation over Man of Steel DVD rights as they currently are with the Batman TV show.
#3605
Misc Comics / Re: DC universe to be rebooted
Wed, 1 Jun 2011, 01:01
What have they done to Superman's costume?! :(

I wonder if the recent legal dispute between Jerry Siegel's estate and DC has precipitated this. Several sources have reported the possibility of Superman splitting in two, with the rights to certain elements reverting to Jerry Siegel's heirs while everything else is retained by DC. If that happens we could see two simultaneous Superman comic/movie franchises: one produced by the estates of Siegel and Shuster, featuring the original flightless version of Superman, his origin story and costume (minus the 'S' logo), Lois Lane and both Superman's Kryptonian and Earth parents; and another produced by DC, featuring most of Superman's other powers (flight, heat vision, etc), plus most of his supporting cast (Jimmy Olsen, Cat Grant, etc) and his entire gallery of rogues. If this is the case then it would explain why they've changed Superman's costume after 73 years.

Hopefully they're just playing it safe with the new costume until the legal dispute is resolved (which one way or another will happen by 2013). Then once everything is straightened out he'll ditch this 'prototype' for the real costume. At least I hope so...
#3606
Misc Comics / DC universe to be rebooted
Tue, 31 May 2011, 22:53
There's been a lot of speculation in recent weeks regarding a rumoured reboot of the DC universe in September following the final issue of Flashpoint. DC has now confirmed these rumours. They're planning to publish 52 issue 1s in September, with all the heroes made younger and updated for modern readers.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=136835312

This means we'll be seeing updated versions of all the familiar Batman characters and their origin stories. It'll be interesting to see if these comics incorporate any elements from the movies into the new canon.
#3607
Batman Video Games / Re: Gotham City Imposters
Wed, 18 May 2011, 20:35
Here's the first image.

#3608
Other DC Films & TV / Re: Smallville Finale
Wed, 18 May 2011, 20:23
While I never actually loved Smallville, there was a time – so long ago now I'd almost forgotten – when I did at least like it and looked forward to watching each episode. So I do feel a little sad that it's over, even though its conclusion was long overdue. And I've got to admit I did find some of the scenes in the last thirty minutes of the finale quite moving.

A retrospective article on IGN (http://uk.comics.ign.com/articles/116/1168363p1.html) made an interesting point about how the show allowed us to see live action versions of lesser known DC characters who ordinarily were unlikely to appear in a live action medium. It was annoying in the early seasons the way every hero wore a t-shirt/hoody that happened to be the same colour as the costume they wore in the comics. But in recent seasons they made more effort to translate the comic iconography onto the screen. Characters like Booster Gold, Hawkman, Blue Beetle, and especially Dr. Fate, all looked pretty accurate to the source material. And unless they appear in Warner Bros' planned Justice League movie, I think it's going to be a long time before we see live action versions of those characters again.

One other thing I find sad about the show's demise is that, aside from 1998, 1999 and 2000, there's been a live action Superman show on TV every year for the last 23 years.
•   Superboy (1988 – 1992)
•   Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman (1993 – 1997)
•   Smallville (2001 – 2011)
And even in the three years between L&C and Smallville we had Superman: The Animated Series and Justice League. Nowadays Warner Bros are far more conscious of the commercial value of their superhero properties. Consequently I think they'd be less likely to commission a live action Superman show today than they were back in 2001. I doubt we'll see another non-animated Superman series for many years now. And that's a sad thought.

QuoteIt looks like they just borrowed the Superman Returns suit, they might have used cg models from the film too.

I think that's probably true. There are rumours circulating that they took unused test footage from Superman Returns and reformatted it. If you look at the Superman character model –



– you can see that his face is blurred. Possibly to disguise Brandon Routh's digital likeness?

QuoteWe should be asking why. Really we should. Think about it. Who wouldn't want to have Superman standing in an iconic shot (perhaps on top of the Daily Planet - which should have been the final scene btw, not a shirt-rip)?

Nobody.

So why didn't they?

I think this question is going to follow Welling around for a long time. I've been seeing a lot of comments from disappointed fans across the internet bemoaning the fact that he never actually wore the suit. Yes, he donned a blue top with the 'S' logo. But he was never shown in the full costume. Rumour has it that his contract stipulated he'd never have to wear the tights. If that's true then it's a kick in the teeth to the fans who waited ten years to see him do it.

The theories I've heard about why he didn't wear the suit are:
1)   He just didn't want to. Every other actor has manned up and worn the tights so it'd be silly for Welling to commit ten years of his life to the project and then balk at taking the final step. Especially when you consider he gets paid an estimated 200,000 dollars per episode. If this is the real reason then it's pretty disrespectful to his fans and to the character.
2)   Warner Bros wouldn't let him wear the suit because they wanted to avoid having the image of another Superman fresh in the audience's mind when Henry Cavill plays the role next year. But considering they didn't have a problem with Ben Affleck wearing the suit for the George Reeves biopic Hollywoodland the same year Superman Returns came out, I don't see why they'd have a problem with a licensed Superman adaptation using the suit now.
3)   They couldn't afford to make the costume. This theory is just ridiculous. If they can afford to make all those other hero costumes – many of which were far more elaborate than Superman's – then they could afford the make the man of steel's suit. Supposedly the suit on display in the Fortress of Solitude was one of Routh's from the 2006 movie. I read somewhere that this had been confirmed by a producer. So in a worst case scenario, Welling could simply have worn that.

Whatever the reason, that aspect of the finale was a letdown. Eventually someone will give us the real reason. But until then we can only speculate.
#3609
Batman Video Games / Gotham City Imposters
Mon, 16 May 2011, 23:12
New downloadable Batman game coming to XBox 360, PS3 and PC.

QuoteBatman: Arkham City may be the center of superhero attention right now, but the Dark Knight has another trick up his sleeve. Warner Bros.' development studio Monolith Games is working on a downloadable multiplayer Batman title called Gotham City Impostors.

In this Batman-themed first-person shooter, players take on the roles of ordinary people (one is dubbed "the Office Bat") pretending to be Batman and "impostors" of dastardly bad guys. At a presentation at a pre-E3 event this week, we were shown an image of the Joker flipping the camera the bird. Oh, and he wasn't wearing any pants.

In a mode we watched called Psych Warfare, players defended a battery hooked up to a brainwashing machine while the opposing team tried to destroy it in a capture-the-bomb-style back-and-forth. According the WB and Monolith, Gotham City Impostors will be highly customizable, and players will be able to tweak their characters' body styles and weapons.

Gotham City Impostors is planned for release on Xbox Live Arcade, PlayStation Network and PC.
http://uk.xboxlive.ign.com/articles/116/1168524p1.html
#3610
Other DC Films & TV / Re: Smallville Finale
Sun, 15 May 2011, 00:35
It was ok. Not bad, but not great.

Superman is probably my favourite superhero but I never really liked Smallville. I watched the entire first season and bits of seasons 3-4. The last complete season I watched was the fifth. And since then I've just watched the occasional episode (season premieres, the feature length Justice Society episode, etc). I personally don't think it was worth waiting ten seasons for this 'payoff', but it was still pretty cool to see the costume (albeit indistinctly) and hear the Williams score. Considering the budget they had, they did a good job of creating an epic finale. But it hasn't changed my overall opinion of the series.

For all its faults, I still think Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman is the best live action Superman TV show to date. Smallville trumped it in terms of visual effects, but L&C stuck closer to the comics and had an integral charm that Smallville always lacked for me. But that's just my opinion and I don't mean to offend any Smallville fans.

Here are some screen captures I took of the Smallville costume. If anyone would rather wait until they see the episode themselves, then don't scroll down (though you can't see the suit all that clearly anyway).
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