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#1
That looks pretty accurate from what I've been reading. I have to say Miller's treatment of Clayface as a character is first class. He desperately escapes the hospital, causes a commotion and through that takes on the role of a villain by default. He's a victim and generally a good man who wants to lay low and be cured.

He steals but out of necessity. He kills his rival but accidentally. It's his love of performing that fuels him, and staying hidden by impersonating others is the added bonus. Whether or not people like Shreck actually believe Karlo is the Joker doesn't really matter because he's still a person who commands a decent number of followers. He still has to be factored in as a threat.
#2
Quote from: Gotham Knight on Mon,  2 Dec  2024, 15:37So, this trailer doesn't give anything away for OS, but it does have a huge Resurrection tease: Original Sin will be framed as Dexter's life flashing before his eyes as he lay dying.
That's a neat touch. Seeing younger versions of the characters I grew up watching all those years ago is more exciting and emotional than I was expecting it to be. I think we're going to enjoy Original Sin quite a lot.
#3
I've finished my other book, and starting to plough through Russerection.

Still an engaging read so far, with the byplay between Karlo and Hugo, Lawrence's gang and the arsons. Batman indeed does talk too much, but some of the interactions with children seem okay to me, especially considering the "is it Halloween?" deleted scene.

A detail I liked was Batman throwing a goon out a window without a fire escape and not caring about their ultimate fate. Funny detail in there that appears to cut the cord to any Schumacher era connection is when Bruce say drive thru isn't an option for the Batmobile. Plus the detail about Bruce looking to create a batsignal alarm or retrieval device, which we'd later see in Returns.

My read continues.
#4
Quote from: eledoremassis02 on Sat, 23 Nov  2024, 15:08Has anyone found subtle connections to Batman and Returns?
Yes. Chase refers to Catwoman with her skintight vinyl and whip comment, and in an extended scene Two Face mentions Batman being a killer. At the time Forever absolutely was a continuation of the Burton series, and we can pick and choose whatever timeline we want now. I don't have a problem with that.

As an aside, I think Kilmer could be the best overall Bruce we've had in the modern films, neck and neck with Affleck. He still has a weirdness about him but he's evolved from what we had with Keaton - more comfortable in public and a bigger role with Wayne Enterprises.

We all know the reclusiveness was perfectly suited to Keaton's sensibilities. His two are superglued at the top of my film rankings. But if I'm talking about the overall GOATs in terms of achievement, genius and character arcs, I have to go with Adam West and Kevin Conroy from the DCAU.
#5
Quote from: Slash Man on Thu, 21 Nov  2024, 03:50I do like how it reiterates how important the first film is and doesn't try to minimize it. We see the whole scope and the fallout of the Joker's chemical attack on the city, which isn't something that would go away overnight. The pattern with sequels is to take the lazier route by making the threats larger and the stakes higher (i.e. another, larger Death Star-like superweapon in Star Wars films). Even though the Joker is dead and can't go on to be Batman's constant rival, it's well established that he left a legacy and continues to haunt Batman.
That aspect is good. Joker wasn't around long but he burned brightly, becoming a role model rather than a failure to the criminal population. I'm wanting to finish another book before jumping in to Resurrection fully, but from what I've read Miller does have some neat touches in here. I liked people buying the paint smeared works from the museum and Shreck being behind arson (as he would also do in BR). The early Bruce/Alfred conversations seem okay. Julie Madison being in Bruce's room is reminiscent of Vicki. I'm hoping Revolution leans in even harder to its closer proximity to Returns, such as the circus gang (Gordon says they're back in BR).
#6
Animated Batman / Re: Batman Beyond
Sat, 23 Nov 2024, 00:11
That clip stoked the Beyond fire in me again. It depicts Neo Gotham really well, and the flying sequences are pretty much how I'd like them to be in live action. Nice to hear Roger Craig Smith lending his voice to this too.
#7
I'm finally reading this, and while it's early days, for what Miller went for I think it's a decent read so far. The general flavor of B89 is there regardless of how you feel about certain decisions, eg. Lawrence surviving. If Miller wanted another villain to appear Clayface does make sense with the cosmetic products poisoning carrying over from the first movie. I liked the appearance of BR's remote control batarang. Batman is too chatty even during the first encounter with Knox I've just read. But I feel this book is shaping up to be better than the comics.
#8
Quote from: Slash Man on Tue, 12 Nov  2024, 03:52I could be overthinking it/misinterpreting it, but a bad guy falling through the floor with a long scream meant the filmmakers probably intended for the character to die, not that he probably managed to save himself. Correct me if I'm wrong and it's mentioned in a primary source, like a script or a novel. But this has always been a pet peeve of mine when sequels bring back dead characters (especially tough as a Star Wars fan).
In my mind Lawrence died in the film and it's something I never questioned. He jumped through the floor and fell to the bottom. Making him survive lessens the meaning and absurdity of the moment: an exhausted Batman putting energetic foes down with no or minimal effort...before Ray Charles comes in with his greatest hits.
#9
Batman (1989) / Re: Batman: Reanimated
Tue, 12 Nov 2024, 10:00
I no longer yearn for Burtonverse continuations. They just don't stack up, and the two films were all we ever needed. Keaton had his time and so did all the others who followed him. I'll hold on to those childhood memories, but after watching all eight episodes of The Penguin I'm looking towards the future.
#10
Movies / Re: The Mission: Impossible Thread
Mon, 11 Nov 2024, 21:04
Retconning Dead Reckoning Part One into just Dead Reckoning makes business sense to me. Not as many people saw the first part as expected, and those who didn't may not be interested in jumping in for a story they aren't up to date with. Final Reckoning still gives connective tissue but allows it to be sold as a final chapter style film that appeals to a broader audience. I think Dead Reckoning, while great, needed to be a bigger hit to create more positive momentum. It will be interesting to see if the required interest is there.