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#41
You know the drill.  Reboot the franchise with Batman Begins, but work in the existing framework of the film.

A minor thing I'd change is that I'd have Bruce color the bat on his chest black.  Not just because it'd look more like the comic book Batsuit, but also because it would tie in, thematically, with his talk about Batman becoming a symbol.  What's the point of him sculpting a bat on the chest of the suit if nobody can see it?  Too bad the insignia got even smaller with the change of costumes in the next film.

The biggest thing I'd say is to have Bale keep the voice (and approach to the character) that he used at 0:50 in this scene throughout the entire trilogy.  It's less of a growl and more of a deep, foreboding voice that still would've believably disguised Wayne's voice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrNYy6weiY0

Here's my take on Bale, for the record: He's actually my favorite live action Bruce Wayne, but he's one of the weaker Batmans in my opinion, so I always feel split when it comes to his performance in this trilogy.  I think he's spot-on with the playboy scenes.  His "private Bruce Wayne" scenes with Alfred and Lucius could've used a bit more intensity, but otherwise, he pretty much nails it.

When he's in the Batsuit, though, I'm turned off most of the time.  I don't think the voice itself was the problem, so much as how Bale acts in many of the Batman scenes of these films.  It's not just the growl, it's also the flat delivery of the lines, the weird pausing ("This city...just showed you..." in Dark Knight, for example), the impression that he's out of breath throughout, and his sometimes unintentionally funny facial expressions.  A lot of people just criticize the voice, but I see it as the whole performance once he's in the suit.

It's a shame because I think, in this scene, he gets it pretty much right and if he kept it up like this, I'd have more praise.
#42
Again, like Doc's TDK Rises thread, you have to stick to the general framework of the film and treat B89, Batman Returns, and Batman Forever as they currently exist.

Basically- you still have to have it as a sequel to Batman Forever, with Batman and Robin and Batgirl vs. Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, and Bane.

This should be interesting...
#43
Same as the other threads.  I imagine this one is going to be bigger than some of the others:

If you had final rewrite on the movie (or even wanted to fix minor things), what would you have done differently?  As with Doc's thread, you have to stick with the general framework of the film.

This is different from the re-edit threads in that you'd have more control over what scenes to put in, rather than be stuck with what was shot and what deleted scenes are available to view.

For me, I'll cite the Peter David novelization as the best version of the film.  I would've loved the following two changes that David made:
http://www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=2269.0
Quote- Biggest change to Chase Meridian- after Batman visits her bedroom, she pulls out a tape recorder and dictates the latest notes on the Bruce Wayne/Batman case.  Like Silver St. Cloud, she actually figured out from Bruce's fighting at the circus that he was Batman and felt her relationship with Bruce would give her a chance to study him and find what makes him tick.  She realizes now how manipulative she's been after Batman leaves her bedroom and, in anger/guilt, destroys the tape.  But Batman's heard it from across the rooftop and decides it's time to confess the truth to Chase and settle down.

Quote- The biggest change at the end is that when Batman throws the coins up to trick Two-Face, Two-Face falls..."two yards."  Landing on a girder.  "Did you think it'd be that easy?  Did you?"  He and Robin have a final confrontation where Robin points out that Two-Face doesn't have the guts to make his own decisions.  Harvey flips one last time...then lets go of the girder, committing suicide.

His last words, when looking at the coin- "It seems...we were right the first time.  You are a man after our own heart.  And you managed to rip it out.  You owe us, kid."

Then he lets go without making a sound.  Robin's shocked, saying he didn't want to kill him, but Batman assures him.  "You just showed Two-Face his real face.  The rest was his decision.  Maybe his first genuine decision in years."

Also, I think we can all agree with one thing when it comes to Two-Face- I'd only have him flip the coin once at Wayne Manor  ;)
#44
Batman (1989) / Your Version of B89
Fri, 9 Aug 2013, 17:58
I thought I'd open up the floodgates and do a thread for each Batman movie.  After Doc's "Fix the film" thread in the TDK Rises forum, I thought it was only fair to do something similar for every live action film- Burton, Schumacher, and Nolan. 

So here it goes: If you had final rewrite on the movie (or even wanted to fix minor things), what would you have done differently?  As with Doc's thread, you have to stick with the general framework of the film.
#45
Inspired by a combination of Doc's "Fix the film" thread in The Dark Knight Rises forum and discussions with Silver Nemesis on the previous drafts of Batman Returns and Bruce's arc, I thought I'd open up this thread and, eventually, one for each film.

Basically, if you had final rewrite on the movie, what would you have done differently? 

Like Doc's TDK Rises thread, you have to stick to the general framework of the film (so this will still have to be Batman vs. Penguin, Catwoman, and Max Shreck in Gotham at Christmastime.).

A few links to Silver's ideas on enhancing Bruce Wayne's role:
http://www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=2458.msg36300#msg36300
http://www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=2443.0
#46
Didn't see a thread for this, so I thought I'd share. 

The producer of last year's Punisher: Dirty Laundry, Adi Shankar has a new "Marvel bootleg" short, this time using the Man Bites Dog format to follow a much different character in the Marvel universe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YDYL6oECjU
#47
Other DC Films & TV / Flash (CW)
Wed, 31 Jul 2013, 02:33
Opening this up, since it looks like this is a done deal.

The showrunners of Arrow, along with Geoff Johns, are developing a Flash show to spin off from Arrow, using the Barry Allen Flash.  This was announced today and the Hollywood Reporter got more details:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/flash-writers-preview-cws-newest-595705

QuoteBarry Allen, the alter ego of the lightning-fast Scarlet Speedster, will be introduced in the eighth, ninth and 20th episodes of Arrow's upcoming second season, Kreisberg and Johns told reporters during a Tuesday afternoon conference call. Casting is now underway to find an actor to play the DC Comics hero in what will be an origin story similar to Oliver Queen/Arrow. The 20th episode will serve as the backdoor pilot for Flash. All three Barry Allen episodes will be penned by Berlanti, Kreisberg and Johns.

"When we first meet Barry Allen, he's just a forensic scientist ... an ordinary man," Kreisberg said, stressing the character, like Amell's vigilante, will be grounded in reality and as realistic as possible. The first two episodes will see the character in Oliver's home of Starling City, with the 20th providing a window to see Barry in The Flash's world.
"Part of the fun for the audience ... is to see how we view our Arrow take on the Flash legacy," Kreisberg said. "Some of it will feel very familiar to DC Comics, some of it hopefully will feel different, fresh and exciting. The same way we approached Arrow is the same way we're approaching Barry."

One of the things that grounds CW's Arrow is the fact that the series isn't about individuals with superpowers -- with The Flash a clear violation of that. Producers noted that they'll handle the introduction of Barry's superspeed in a way that isn't commonplace. "There will be extraordinary events in the world and the characters will react in the same way," Kreisberg noted.

"The fact he has superpowers, there's something more relatable about Barry among the Big Seven of the Justice League," he added. "He got his powers by accident; he's not a god, he's not an alien ... his reactions to that feel very ... human and grounded."

Since Flash is a backdoor pilot episode of Arrow, the character will mix it up with Oliver -- providing a stark contrast between the two heroes.

"Oliver Queen is a very dark and tortured soul, and Barry is not," Kreisberg said, noting he will have a profound impact on Oliver, Diggle and Felicity. "He's a great character who is going to affect all of our characters' lives. It will be fun ... to see these two characters together because they have two different worlds."

Added Johns: "We're also exploring a very personal story for Barry -- life as a forensic scientist and the people around him, the tragedies and how he deals with them -- in a very different way than Oliver Queen. The intention, they noted, will be to add to Arrow instead of stripping away characters from the series should the spinoff move forward, meaning it's likely the residents of Starling City will remain there.

Johns reiterated that the Justice League member will be seen as The Flash -- complete with his trademark red costume and not a poor imitation. Added Kreisberg: "No sweat suits or strange code names; he will be The Flash."

Producers haven't yet figured out how they plan to depict the Flash's lightning speed but Johns insisted it won't just be the standard "blurring around."

"It's not what people expect," Kreisberg said. "We want to do something fresh, new and exciting and give people a real cinematic experience the same way we did with Arrow."

As for casting, Kreisberg would only note that the process -- which will be overseen by the same casting director who handles Arrow -- has now begun. "Blonds will be preferred," he joked. 

While the response to Arrow has been mixed here at Batman Online, there are a bunch of tidbits here that I think will make people happy.  It looks like the Barry Allen Flash:
- will definitely have superpowers (which means that Arrow may actually evolve from an initially realistic take to a more comic book-fantastical world)
- will have the moniker "The Flash."  Sure, the show doesn't have the "The" in the title, but it's a hell of a lot closer than taking the Green out of Green Arrow or calling Wonder Woman "Amazon"
- will be a more lighthearted individual from the Bruce Wayne-ized Oliver Queen in the TV show
- will have the red and yellow suit!
#48
Found this video and thought I'd share:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssQEbUuNm8Y

I hadn't realized how similar Kilmer's sounded to Keaton's.
#49
This is gold, if you're familiar with all the songs on the album.

http://io9.com/a-synopsis-of-tim-burtons-batman-based-only-on-the-pri-758183831
#50
Current Runs / Batman Zero Year
Wed, 5 Jun 2013, 22:43
The story from last year's Batman #0 gets an expansion in Batman: Zero Year

Preview here: http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/gamereport/zero_week_exclusive_first_look_at_I6WkjdPCXmNuS2oTbw5wvN#axzz2VMCZNqkq

While I haven't read much of Snyder's work, he and I seem to have similar visions on how Bruce's early days would be like.  I loved some of his ideas in Batman #0 (i.e. showing Bruce going up against the Red Hood Gang way before the chemical plant confrontation) and I like taking the Begins idea of having Bruce declared dead and bringing it a step further by having Bruce take advantage of that.  Alfred's attitude is spot-on, too.
#51
Graphic Novels / Batman: The Cult
Wed, 1 May 2013, 21:39
Probably the most influential comic on The Dark Knight Rises and yet, the least talked about online.  When reading it, I couldn't help but hear Zimmer's Bane music as Deacon Blackfire took over Gotham and Batman lead the assault to take back the city at the end.

Discuss the comic here!
#52
Graphic Novels / The Dark Knight Returns
Sun, 28 Apr 2013, 19:41
Saw there wasn't a thread for this and thought I'd open one.

I don't always agree with self-proclaimed "Batmanologist" Chris Sims of Comics Alliance, but I thought this article was quite insightful on how The Dark Knight Returns is meant to serve as a "darker future" of the 1960s Adam West-type Batman, whose new, brutal tactics contrast his past, lighter days:
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/07/23/ask-chris-114-the-dark-knight-returns/
QuoteYear One and The Dark Knight Returns are bookends, but not to each other. They're in the other order: DKR is the ending of everything that came before it, and Year One is the start of something new, the version of Batman that we have today.

It's almost exactly the same setup that you get from Alan Moore and Curt Swan's Whatever Happened To The Man of Tomorrow clearing away the Silver Age so that John Byrne can start fresh with Man of Steel, except that Miller orchestrated it all himself. The publication dates even match up, with DKR being released first, kicking off during Crisis in early 1986, with Year One debuting in Batman the following year. That's part of the key to really understanding DKR.

To me, this makes a lot of sense, especially if you put it together with the timeline presented in the comic:
1940: Bruce is 8 years old when his parents are killed (according to the last volume, he was 6 when he fell into the cave and his parents died "two years later).  Tyrone Power's The Mark of Zorro, which was released in 1940, is specified as the version the Waynes saw before their deaths.  Now this could've just been a theater screening a classic movie, but let's keep going and you'll see how this matches up.

1941: Jim Gordon is implied to be a WWII veteran, when talking about Pearl Harbor, which happened in 1941.  Let's say Jim is in his thirties at the time.

1957-1977: Bruce Wayne starts actively fighting crime as the Batman in his mid-twenties and we're in the Pre-Crisis era.  Gordon is the police commissioner.  Batman and the Dick Grayson Robin fight off the classic villains- Joker, Catwoman, and Two-Face.  Batman joins the Justice League, with Superman and Green Arrow.  Dick Grayson later becomes Nightwing and Jason Todd takes over the mantle of Robin.

1977-1980s: Jason Todd is killed.  The government outlaws superheroes and puts Superman in their employ.  Bruce hangs up the cowl as Batman, feeling responsible over Jason's death.  Green Arrow attempts to keep fighting, prompting the government to send Superman after him and Oliver loses his arm.

1987: Bruce is now 55, as specified in TDKR.  Gordon's in his seventies.  Ronald Reagan is President.  We're in the Cold War.  The Dark Knight Returns happens.

There's also a couple of things that make sense in this context:

- Miller illustrates Bruce Wayne as huge and barrel-chested.  While the first splash page of Batman (in the blue and gray) is reminiscent of Neal Adams, I personally think he looks like an aged, darker version of the Dick Sprang Batman for the rest of the story, particularly in the later volumes when Batman emerges from the Batmobile to fight the Mutant Leader, etc.  Frank Miller even lists Dick Sprang among the creators in his acknowledgements section at the end (at least in the Tenth Anniversary edition).

- Look closely at the phone that Alfred picks up in the "Wayne Infirmary."  It's the red Bat-Phone from the 1960s show.

Of course, this would later get contradicted by Miller's later work, with All-Star Batman and Robin, but...let's not get into that.
#54
Which of the JLA members would you bring on board to the movie?

The George Miller JL lineup was Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, John Stewart's Green Lantern, and Barry Allen's Flash, with Wally West as Kid Flash (and taking over the mantle as The Flash at the end).

I'd say the DC Trinity- Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman- are definite.  I have a feeling we'll seeing a shorter lineup than what Miller had and I wouldn't be surprised if Green Lantern is the Ruffalo/Hulk of this movie, reintroducing the character through a different actor/potentially different GL (again, I'll bet on Stewart).
#55
In the spirit of our site's popular comic influences features, I thought I'd open up discussion on what Justice League stories you'd like to see influence the upcoming film.

Just like how Michael Uslan gave the pre-Robin Bob Kane/Bill Finger era, Denny O'Neil/Neal Adams era, and Steve Englehart/Marshall Rogers era comics to Tim Burton for the 1989 Batman movie, what JLA comics would you give to the director if you were in charge of this movie?

#56
http://latino-review.com/2013/03/03/exclusive-dcu-takeover-huge-developments-justice-league/

El Mayimbe of Latino Review (who's had scoops that came true in the past) has reported that Chris Nolan has taken on a Kevin Feige-type role at WB, godfathering all of the DC Universe there, and is set to produce the Justice League film, with Zach Snyder either producing or directing, and Christian Bale returning to the role of Batman.

I totally understand WB's reasoning behind this.  And yes, it'd be a smoother transition than bringing in a different actor/rebooted Batman into the Justice League with Henry Cavill.

But I have to say no thanks.  If it's set after Dark Knight Rises, it'd make the ending pointless (he quits for a second time, fakes his death and dumps the cave to Blake...but now comes out of retirement again?).

And personally, I'm not interested in seeing Bale return to the cowl again.

Of course, despite Mayimbe's track record, I'm not sure how much I'd buy this.  Nolan's said time and time again that he's done with Batman and superheroes.  Either he's been lying (and why?) or WB found some way for him to change his mind.
#57
Has anyone read this?  I personally consider this a hidden gem and honestly, the best version of the Batman Forever story, out of the proposed fan cuts and drafts found online, with a lot of character exploration and added/alternate scenes by Peter David.

Another advantage to reading it in novel form is that you can picture the film differently.  Want to picture Michael Keaton and Billy Dee Williams returning?  Try it out.  Want to hear less over-the-top line readings from Two-Face and Riddler?  You can imagine that too.  Imagine the Elfman Batman theme playing as the Burton Batmobile drives through a Furst/Welch type Gotham?  Certainly.

Some major and easter egg elements unique to the novel:
- Multiple prologues, beginning with Bruce Wayne's descent into the Batcave.  A couple references to B89 here with him being haunted by Jack Napier's "dance with the devil by the pale moonlight."  At the end, when Bruce sees the bat, Peter David describes, ""And with the cries of the leathery creatures providing an ungodly orchestral tone, the young man danced with the devil in the pale moonlight..."
Then, Young Edward Nygma reading about the deaths of the Waynes in a newspaper and immediately identifying with the loner Bruce Wayne (David describes the newspaper seen in B89 with young Bruce staring at the camera), setting up how he idolizes Wayne in the story.  This newspaper remains in Nygma's possession through his life and Bruce notices it in his shrine/cubicle in Wayne Enterprises.

We jump a decade or so and the next scene is Batman and Harvey Dent meeting on a rooftop during the events of Batman Returns when Batman gives the location of the Red Triangle Circus to clear his name after the Penguins' attack.  Dent reluctantly agrees to work with Batman from now on if Batman promises to protect him.  (which sets up why Dent feels so betrayed when he gets hit by the acid.  There's a flashback where Dent says "Some protection" when Batman tries to visit him in the hospital.  This shades a bit dimension on Two-Face's rather one-note revenge scheme).

The story then transitions to present day, but does it start with the Arkham Asylum deleted opening with Dr. Burton? 

Nope.  It's an introduction to Dr. Chase Meridian who gets mugged. 

And to her rescue comes...Dick Grayson.  Afterwards, Dick's father reprimands him for putting himself in harm's way, but Dick doesn't see it as any different from risking his life on the trapeze.

Then, we go to Arkham Asylum.  Except it's not the Dr. Burton scene from the script. 

It's introducing the Arkham guard with a gambling problem, who's agreed to break Two-Face out.  This is a rather dark and twisted scene that leads into the Dr. Burton opening. 

We're finally to the point where the original script begins and it's page 42!
While the deleted scene on the DVD shows that the guard is alive when Burton finds him, the writer takes a different approach.  Let's just say, he explains where the blood came from in the "THE BAT MUST DIE" message.

- Lucius Fox cameo at Wayne Enterprises before Bruce visits the department.  Also, Harvey is on Bruce's mind when he's at the company and there's a reference to B:TAS of Bruce saving him from Poison Ivy (obviously, no knew that Poison Ivy would show up in the next movie).

- One of the deleted scenes from the movie has Two-Face saying, "You're a killer, too" to Batman in the opening action sequence. 
In the novel, Bruce is actually haunted by his words.  After his failed attempt to capture Two-Face from the helicopter, he reviews footage of Dr. Burton interviewing Two-Face at Arkham and he hallucinates Two-Face repeating the line to him through the TV.

- The morning before Bruce visits/meets Chase at her office, Alfred goes to Bruce's bedroom, only to find it empty.  He immediately goes into the Batcave, knowing he'd find him there.  Sound famliar?
Peter David adds another layer, describing Alfred's momentary panic.  Is this finally "the one morning" when Bruce never made it back home? 

- Another layer that Peter David adds: During the fight at the circus, Bruce takes down a thug and points a gun at Two-Face, but stops himself. 

This is right when Two-Face shoots down the Graysons.  Bruce is haunted later, when the police arrive.  He swore never to use guns.  But should he have pulled the trigger?  Maybe the Graysons would have been alive.

- Small bit for Burton fans, but Batman does have a moment where he gets out of the Batmobile and says "Shields."

- Dick's alleyway fight and confrontation with Batman are very different.  In a semi-comical moment, Dick arrives in the Batmobile and tries to get out, putting a cape over his face like Bela Lugosi.  Dick actually loses the battle with the thugs until Batman rescues him and uses knockout gas to take everyone out.  Dick wakes up in the Batmobile and starts beating on Batman there, causing the Batmobile to crash.

- We go into Batman's thoughts as he's nearly buried alive by Two-Face, with him wondering if he's been seeking death this whole time to return to his parents. 

Of course Robin has to go ahead and ruin it and save his life.

- Added scene where Gordon and Bullock (yes, Bullock has a minor role in the book) try to get one of Two-Face's thugs to talk, after he gets captured from the assault on Nygma's party.  The thug reluctantly agrees but suddenly, screams and dies.  Cut to Claw Island, revealing that Nygma's implanted all of Harvey's thugs with devices that'd blow their neural pathways if they squealed.  "It's so difficult to find good help these days."

- Biggest change to Chase Meridian- after Batman visits her bedroom, she pulls out a tape recorder and dictates the latest notes on the Bruce Wayne/Batman case.  Like Silver St. Cloud, she actually figured out from Bruce's fighting at the circus that he was Batman and felt her relationship with Bruce would give her a chance to study him and find what makes him tick.  She realizes now how manipulative she's been after Batman leaves her bedroom and, in anger/guilt, destroys the tape.  But Batman's heard it from across the rooftop and decides it's time to confess the truth to Chase and settle down.

- Two-Face believes Batman died after getting buried alive and attempts to kill Riddler at Claw Island.  Nygma reveals, like in the movie, that not only is Batman still alive, but also the Box found out that he's also Bruce Wayne.

- When Chase is captured by Riddler, she warns him that he's been frying his brain, foreshadowing his fate at the end.

- The biggest change at the end is that when Batman throws the coins up to trick Two-Face, Two-Face falls..."two yards."  Landing on a girder.  "Did you think it'd be that easy?  Did you?"  He and Robin have a final confrontation where Robin points out that Two-Face doesn't have the guts to make his own decisions.  Harvey flips one last time...then lets go of the girder, committing suicide.

For some excerpts and analysis of the Harvey Dent rooftop meeting, the Arkham breakout, and the alternate version of Two-Face's death: http://about-faces.livejournal.com/29288.html
#58
The Dark Knight Rises (2012) / Judge Scarecrow
Tue, 25 Dec 2012, 19:36
What did you think of Crane's cameo in The Dark Knight Rises?

It just occurred to me recently that the concept of Scarecrow/Crane as a "judge" in the Nolanverse was actually foreshadowed four years ago in Batman: Gotham Knight in which Scarecrow does something similar, in the "In Darkness Dwells" segment that was written by David Goyer himself. 
"Can anyone here speak for the holy man?"

In my midnight showing, his appearance was one of the few times the film got applause (Not surprisingly, audience response to this movie was far less than the reactions I remember from watching The Dark Knight in theaters, so whenever there actually was a reaction to TDKR, I noted it) and it's kinda cool that he cemented himself as the only villain to appear in all three movies.

Personally, though, it also felt like a cameo for the sake of a cameo.  I didn't see a reason why Crane would've taken on this role or why Bane himself wouldn't have been sentencing these people to death, since he was the dictator in Gotham.  Also, performance-wise, Murphy seemed to have been playing a different character.
#59
One of my favorite comic bloggers, about_faces, covered the 1989-1990 comic strip series that featured the talents of Max Allan Collins and Marshall Rogers for its first story before it got followed up by William Messner-Loebs, Carmine Infantino, and John Nyberg.

Here it is, split into parts with commentary:

Part 1- Catwoman: http://about-faces.livejournal.com/32340.html
Part 2- Penguin: http://about-faces.livejournal.com/32636.html
Part 3- The Red Hood- http://about-faces.livejournal.com/33257.html
Part 4- Trial of the Joker http://about-faces.livejournal.com/33524.html
Part 5- Two-Face- http://about-faces.livejournal.com/34404.html
Part 6- Robin- http://about-faces.livejournal.com/34651.html
Part 7- The Riddler- http://about-faces.livejournal.com/34927.html
Part 8- The Mad Hatter & Finale, containing an ending that about_faces dubs "should have been the ending to The Dark Knight"- http://about-faces.livejournal.com/35096.html

There are some fascinating things to note about this series. 

Part 1 is presented like a loose sequel to the 1989 film, with Vicki Vale commenting on Batman's fight with the Joker, though in this version, Joker's fall landed him in Gotham Bay where he disappeared (an ending that perhaps many fans would have preferred). 
It's quite appropriate for this part to have been illustrated by Marshall Rogers, since his run with Steve Englehart was so influential on the film.

Catwoman is more of a murderous vigilante along the lines of the Phantasm from the animated movie. 
Robin's origin story starts off conventional, but then becomes quite an interesting take in which the future sidekick proves his worth by protecting a wounded Batman throughout. 
The Mad Hatter is actually the Impostor Hatter from the Silver Age and takes over Arkham Asylum in the final arc.

But the biggest topic of discussion is on Harvey Dent/Two-Face.  As noted by about_faces, this may have been the first time that Harvey was portrayed as a friend of Bruce Wayne's and could have been a big influence on B:TAS.  Also, much like The Dark Knight film, he arguably has the biggest arc out of all the other characters.  It's also one of the few instances where Harvey's wife (named Alice here) has a major role throughout.

The origin of Two-Face is covered in the Trial of the Joker arc.  While you may expect to find the Joker scarring Harvey with his acid flower (an idea that was proposed by David Goyer after Batman Begins), something quite different happens. 

SPOILERS:
A frustrated Gothamite hurls a bottle of acid- not at Dent, but at the Joker, seemingly in revenge for the madman's acts against the city!  Batman swoops in to save Joker, but the acid ends up hitting Harvey Dent instead.

While this is a big change from the comic canon (and kind of complicates the origin a bit), I think there's something fascinating about this version.  Dent becomes Two-Face, not due to a mobster vendetta, but due to Batman's actions and his moral code. 

In a way, this may actually make more sense as a reason for Dent to snap and turn against Batman.  After all, as the District Attorney, Dent was well aware of risks involved in battling organized crime.  (Just look at how he handles the assassination attempt in the beginning of The Dark Knight).  Getting disfigured and nearly killed by a mobster is certainly traumatic, but would it have really caused Dent to snap?

Here, though, Dent is portrayed as a man frustrated by the fact that the law might not be enough.  He knows he has to work with Batman, but he also resents having to turn to a vigilante for help.  This trial against the Joker is his chance to prove that he (and the law) can still win.
And yet, what does he get for his trouble?  A bottle of acid to the face.  Because Batman couldn't let a mass murderer get hit.  Is this true justice?  Is this what he gets after helping Batman for this long?  From this perspective, you can understand how Dent could turn against his old ally, reject Batman and Gordon's moral ground, and begin to believe that true justice can only be achieved by capital punishment.
#60
Comic Film & TV / Iron Man 3
Fri, 26 Oct 2012, 18:20
Trailer here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EjG-1U3wqA

Will be interesting to see how it's like with Shane Black taking over in directing duties. 

I'm curious how this take on The Mandarin's going to go.  Back in 2008, I would never have guessed that the character would be played by Sir Ben Kingsley with an exaggerated American accent...