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One thing I always liked about the pilot is the fluidity and kinetics of it.  It's a standard I don't think the main show ever really matched.  When I read the comics, I think of Batman as being able to move so quickly that it seems plausible somehow that he could dodge a bullet.  The pilot communicated that idea pretty well with a pretty heavy 1940's/noir/crime atmosphere.  BTAS is an awesome show and I'll never say otherwise but I felt like the animation wasn't always quite up to par with the material.

Yeah, not really harassment but he did seem like he was in a rush to get out of there before too many people recognized him.

I guess the part that creeped me out the most is when the camera panned down and looked at his shoes.  How celebrity-obsessed is our culture that we get a shot of Michael Keaton's tennis shoes while he waits in line to buy food???

I think the majority of the backlash came from people wanting the film to be something other than what it was while not ever bothering to grade the film for what it is.  For me, it ranks above B89 in terms of saying something about the characters and such.  It's hard to compete against the first one in terms of nostalgia, cultural impact, etc, but BR, imho, is the better film experience.  Burton brought his A-game in it's visible in every frame of the movie.  I love it.

I loved the Burton movies but I would've liked seeing more pitched fights between Batman and his adversaries.  We got a few decent fights in both films but not to the extent the comics showed.  It's a minor gripe in the scheme of things but there you go.

Another thing was that the nature of the story didn't allow Batman to tackle regular street crime too often.  Batman was mostly focused on the villains of each piece rather than trying to clean up Gotham.  Again, that's how the narrative of each film worked out but I still wouldn't have minded at least one or two scenes where Batman halts a robbery or what have you (which could've led right back to the first thing up there).

For what it is, I think it looks awesome.  I *love* the starkness of the bat logo cover ("Nicholson", "Keaton" and the logo; what more do you need??) but you knocked this one right out of the park.

A third Burton/Keaton flick would've been a dream but I've never been able to envision either of them being involved with the various FOREVER script drafts out there.

01- Batman Returns
02- B89
03- Superman: The Movie
04- Superman II (Lester)
05- X2
06- Sin City
07- Mask of the Phantasm
08- The Crow
09- The Shadow
10- Ghost World

Incidentally, I thought Robocop originated in film and then spawned comics.  Isn't it technically then not a comic book film?

Overall, I didn't get into TNF all that much.  It was okay, I guess, but it felt, as you say, too slow with all that focus on GL.  Hal Jordan bores me even under the best of circumstances.

TNF is *not* the best of circumstances.

The Batman, Superman and Flash parts were okay but I could take or leave the rest.

[Heart of Ice]

No shout outs for Heart of Ice??  For shame! 

Agreed.  No matter how unlikely it might be, if we don't ask then the answer is "no".