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    I know most people think that the burton batman movies are corny and on a different planet (he must've done something right or there wouldn't be a whole site devoted to his batman movies).  And I say to them that maybe they just don't understand them as well as they think they do.  After all, I think all of his movies are brilliant and most of the world thinks his movies are weird.  (what does that say about the world? - I won't go there)
    In my opinion, if you look real hard into his movies you'll see how good and realistic they are.  The burton version of the penguin origin (and joker origin, and catwoman origin) make a lot more sense than the comics or television series made it in the past (please dont stone me).  What I mean is is that though the Nolan movies are easier to see as realistic and are more grittier, that doesn't make it any more realistic than any other batman story.  What I mean is that while it is easier to imagine nolans batman in our world that doesn't make it any more likely that it would happen.  The content has to be judged, not the movie.  Sorry for the nolan bashing (won't happen again  ), but hopefully i've made my point.

Sorry about the paragraphs.  I am new and got carried away I guess.  Though paragraphs do look alot nicer.......

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    As far as why a third batman movie was made, its perfectly obvious to me.  The big shots didn't like the sewer penguin.  They didn't like that he was deformed, he lived in a sewer, and that he was a mean/evil guy (or the sexual references).  They didn't like that because he wouldn't be liked or understood by kids or their parents.  And heres the truth- IT WASN'T A KIDS MOVIE!!!- no batman movies are supposed to be kids movies.  Batman Returns was a realistic protrayal of the Penguin and Catwoman.  Batman is about a guy dressed up as a bat trying to stop bad, evil, psychotic men(and women) who are trying to kill or take over gotham (or the united states in the jokers case).  It is alright for animated shows that show a watered down version of what batman is (though the animated series was very good, its just that the burton batman was made more realistic and fleshed out) and action figures that protray those shows (why they put out ledger joker action figures I'll never know).  Therefore, McDonals shouldn't be expecting a kid friendly movie and parents shouldn't be expecting an under 14 movie!  Obviously the big guys cared more about selling the batman franchise to children and making it more appealing to them than making a good and realistic batman movie.  And that is why burton and keaton got out of the project.  
         The sales declined because a) it wasn't the first batman movie and didn't have as big of a fever pitch  b) not as famous villains (philistines)  c) the afore mentioned.  The fact is is that the penguin is seen as a not so appealing character.  And therefore they shouldn't be watching the movie because that is what the penguin is (the only true/realistic/makes sense penguin protrayed in comics or television in my opinion-pure genius by burton, hamm, devito)  And what I read on a website that burton said is true.  Burton said that the first batman was the darker one.  He was right.  The Joker was psychotic and wanted to kill everyone (especially gotham) and take over the US.  Though the Penguin was bad (kill babies, later 100,000 Gothamites), in my opinion he wasn't quite as bad as the joker- though pretty close.  Its just his image, demeanor, and attitude that people didn't like.  And that is why a burton trilogy never got made.  Its just our luck that the riddler wasn't the second batman movie(though the fan site said they didn't like the direction burton's vision was going with that one either).

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   From what I've seen on a separate fan site for burton (specifically for his batman movies) the plan was to do the four main villains from the adam west show- joker, catwoman, penguin, riddler.  It would make sense to do more than one movie for a batman franchise.  It is too big to fit in one movie and three movies is the perfect amount of movies for a batman franchise in my opinion. (burton would make it work anyhow).  
    And as regarding tim burton wanting batman returns to be a "separate untainted work" , I think that is stupid.  Where do you think the bat signal, vicki- two references, and everyone knowing who batman was (batman frame up-"batman killed the princess", penguin telling the horrors of batman in speech-"costumed freak", selena kyle knowing who batman was, commissioner gordon, etc.), same bat car, plane, and cave.  Burton obviously worked hard to make a good batman franchise/trilogy (and what I read from that fansite the third batman looked really good)