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#1
Uslan also posted this:

QuoteHoly Moley! How many of these petitions did I get sent or copied on back in 1988-1989?! (They ceased overnight on June 23, 1989.)



https://x.com/MichaelUslan/status/1779575561393959028
#2
Michael Uslan has been posting photos taken behind the scenes on Twitter in anticipation for B89's 35th anniversary. I thought this thread is a good place to share them because nearly all of these I've never seen before.

Here are four photos of Nicholson and Keaton having make-up applied to their faces. I believe the man at work is Nick Dudman.









The late Anton Furst appears in this photo collage, you can see him overlooking Keaton in costume while shooting a scene with the Batmobile.



The Batwing model. I didn't realise it was that big.



The 200th Gotham anniversary parade set. Judging by the depth of this photograph, this might be a miniature set.

#3
Some game modder created an armoured Batfleck skin, looks great.

https://youtu.be/_PXN9_D4ZZU
#4
Other DC Films & TV / Re: Wonder Woman (2017)
Wed, 12 Jun 2024, 11:37
Not very good news for all things Wonder Woman at the moment. The game that WB is currently producing is rumoured to be a mess, and to the surprise of nobody who is paying attention, Gunn appears to be implying he plans to recast Wonder Woman.

https://youtu.be/XzO-MWlXiH4?t=503

I guess he doesn't favour Gal Gadot as much as he does with John Cena and Viola Davis. If the rumour is true, his TSS cast is returning too. So much for the promise he made to Gal, but you can't expect much integrity from that filthy rotten snake.
#5
Other DC Films & TV / Re: Man of Steel
Wed, 12 Jun 2024, 11:26
Former X-Men '97 showrunner Beau DeMayo went on record saying MOS influenced key scenes for his show.

https://meaww.com/x-men-97-episode-6-was-storms-flight-scene-inspired-by-man-of-steel-fans-hail-creator-beau-de-mayos-directing-skills
https://screenrant.com/x-men-97-episode-8-superman-origin-man-of-steel/
https://web.archive.org/web/20240531010911/https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/news/x-men-97-finale-superman-man-of-steel-showrunner-reference/

I liked DeMayo's comparison between Rogue's assault on Bastion in his show and Superman going apesh*t on Zod:

QuoteI was likely subconsciously influenced by this when writing the #xmen97 finale beat of Rogue punching Bastion. That's not Superman hammering Zod. It's Clark, a son furiously defending the woman who raised and protected him. The action is driven by emotion not plot.
#6
Batman: TAS (1992 - 1995) / Re: The Clock King
Wed, 12 Jun 2024, 11:16
BTAS director Kevin Altieri and storyboard artist Bradley Rader participated in an episode commentary and shared their memories behind the scenes.

https://youtu.be/Rx4ou2Kd_Mc
#7
Quote from: The Joker on Fri,  7 Jun  2024, 18:29



So Warners were nervous at the idea of having a black Robin, even though they didn't seem to mind having a black Harvey Dent. Perhaps Robin is more well-known to mass audiences than Dent/Two-Face was at the time? I don't think that many people would've cared if Marlon Wayans played Robin back in 1992.

At least we got to see Wayans' likeness in comic book form, even if he was the only bright spot in those recent Sam Hamm Batman comics.
#8
Comic Film & TV / 300 TV show
Wed, 12 Jun 2024, 10:54
Zack Snyder, to the surprise of many, is in talks to direct and produce a prequel show to the 300 film.

https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/300-tv-series-early-development-warner-bros-television-zack-snyder-1236017708/

If a deal goes through, my guess is this show will be licensed to Netflix as part of his ongoing relationship with them. Warners at the moment is licensing a lot of content off to other streaming services, as MAX doesn't produce that many shows anymore. Otherwise, I think it's way to risky for Snyder to get into a deal with a studio that has been pretty hostile to him on a professional level for the last seven years. But even if you put that history aside, it's not even a good time to work with them now they've earned a notorious reputation for constant cancellations and tax write-offs.
#9
Comic Film & TV / Re: X-Men'97 (2023)
Tue, 28 May 2024, 13:28
I finished watching the first season of this show. Aside from a few gripes, it's excellent! It's the best thing that Marvel has produced in years. Spoilers below.

The animation is top-notch, the storytelling is elevated to an even more mature tone that's free from the censorship that held back the original Nineties show (and that's saying a fair bit because the Nineties show was quite heavy at times!), it's full of tragedy, twists and is much satisfying than any of the live-action films that came out in the past two decades.

Bastian was a surprisingly good villain, and how his manipulation to more Mutant bloodshed reversed Magento's redemptive arc by forging him to back to villainy, how Rogue goes down a dark path herself out of grief and anger, Cyclops coming to terms that Cable is his son Nathan and the Summers family comes full circle under bittersweet circumstances, and Nightcrawler returns as a worthy member of the X-Men. Magneto pleading and threatening the UN council while persisting attempts to become a better man despite X-Cutioner robbing Storm of her powers is more poignant after the attacks on Genosha and capture by Bastian sets him off to lash out at humanity with a new-found sense of betrayal. The lighter episode of Jubilee and Sunspot stuck in Mojo's video game simulation is still a cool episode, as it contains Easter eggs of Capcom graphics and a homage of Magneto as the final boss in the 1992 Konami X-Men game.

There was one peculiar recurring thing going on with Morph in this show, however. It's heavily implied throughout the show he has romantic feelings for Wolverine, who seems unaware as the two are seen together as nothing more than buddies. The creator of the show, Beau DeMayo, confirmed that Morph is supposedly secretly in love with Logan on Twitter, but seeing as DeMayo got sacked for reasons unknown, I wouldn't be surprised if this plotline gets scrapped in the next season.

Season two is reportedly already deep in production, and the third season is in development with a new showrunner. Whatever happens next, it doesn't change my opinion the first season of X-Men '97 has been an outstanding revival.
#10
Interesting (if somewhat a little conflicting) comments from Bruce Timm about Superman in the Justice League animated series, I found these from archive.org.

QuoteBruce Timm on Superman #2:  "People who want him to be more of a bad-ass are missing the point.  He was raised in the heartland of America by two wonderful, loving parents who instilled in him a powerful sense of 'right' and 'wrong.'  So, for all that everyone complains about Superman's 'boy scout' qualities, that's exactly what he is:  he's not just super-strong, super-fast, etc...he's super-good, too.  He's the ultimate man.  [As a result, his morality forces him to] live his entire life under strict self-control; otherwise the results could be catastrophic (courtesy of Toon Zone)."

Bruce Timm on Superman #3:  "It astonishes me somewhat that anyone could actually think that I could 'hate Superman outright.'  I mean, no offense, but...sorry, I'm kind of at a loss for words.  I couldn't possibly produce fifty-two episodes of a series starring a character [that] I flat-out hated, or had disdain or contempt for...life's too short!  Sure, I've worked on shows in the past whose lead characters I had no love or respect for, but to put in the kind of man-hours that I did as producer / designer / what-have-you on STAS, my commitment to the character was absolute.  My comments (from Comicology, right?) were, I thought, pretty clear on the matter:  I've loved, respected, and admired Superman since I was a kid—I even dressed up as him for Halloween and brought my lunch to school in my beloved Superman lunch-box.  It's just that, by modern standards, he can come off as quaint or corny or out-dated, if not handled properly.  Batman, by contrast, is much easier to 'get right' with that outfit, the attitude, the whole mystique...he's automatically 'cooler.'  If I had to choose one over the other, sure, I'd pick Batman in a heartbeat, [but] that doesn't mean [that] I don't like Superman too.  I just like Batman better.

"I've admitted elsewhere that we dropped the ball with Superman's portrayal in Season One of Justice League, not out of malice, but merely inattention; thus we did end up temporarily with the slightly daft, bland, cornball boy scout, [but] when we all realized what was happening, we took steps to re-vitalize him in Season Two.  I, personally, may have gone a little overboard in that area, as I wrote the entire Superman / Darkseid verbal thrown-down scene in 'Twilight' myself—including the notoriously over-the-top 'greasy smear on my fist' line—I even wrote his, 'Y'know, Bruce, you're not always right,' line, allowing him to one-up Batman (my 'favorite' character, remember), in one of the rarest instances in the entire DCAU canon.  I wouldn't have gone to the trouble for a character I hated.  Anyhow, I hope this clears that up (courtesy of Toon Zone)."

https://web.archive.org/web/20190423180546/http://jl.toonzone.net/superman/superman.htm

I don't quite remember Superman in STAS being a complete boy scout. He was definitely responsible with his abilities and approachable after rescuing people, but not he wasn't corny either. I do understand where Timm was coming from with his regrets of handling George Newbern's Superman in JL seasone one, however. For example, I remember Tim Daly's Superman was completely stern and highly suspicious of Lex Luthor. In constrast, when Lex was diagnosed with cancer due to exposure to Kryptonite in JL season one, Newbern's Superman was empathetic, much to Lex's contempt. That alone showed a significant contrast between the two versions of Superman.

Timm may have reasoned that every attempt to harden Superman up was a challenge to escape from the cheesy stereotype, but the changes are quite natural, in my opinion. You look at how Superman grieved over Dan Turpin's murder at the hands of Darkseid, to Darkseid brainwashing to become his puppet in an attempt to conquer Earth, it makes sense why Superman would cut loose and unleash his rage and full power on Darkseid in both JL and JLU cartoons. Depicting him as a forgiving boy scout wouldn't be as palatable for the general audience.

The late Dwayne McDuffie reasoned the desire for Superman to be less than perfect compared to the purists' idea of the character:

QuoteDwayne McDuffie on Superman:  "Superman constantly learns from his mistakes and, when it comes down to it, takes appropriate actions (even when they make him look bad, as in many of the situations that Luthor has engineered to that purpose).  He does what's right, not what's easiest.  Consider:  Superman is powerful enough to end Cadmus right now.  Why doesn't he?  He tells Huntress why in 'Question Authority.'  Later, in 'Panic in the Sky,' despite his understandable anger and frustration, rather than going after Cadmus he talks about it with the rest of the Justice League, who he knows will disagree with attacking.  As J'onn points out, Superman came there to be talked down.

"Our version of Superman is far from perfect.  He makes mistakes but, eventually, gets the right answer.  He might walk right up to the precipice, but he'll never fall in.  [...] I like for my heroes to be tempted, and I tend to forgive them for their mistakes, just like I do my real-life friends.  Some people see Superman as absolutely incorruptible and incapable of human foibles.  That's a reasonable way to go with him, there have been lots of terrific stories over the years that treat him that way, but we're more interested in showing him struggle to overcome his weaknesses, as opposed to not having any other than kryptonite (courtesy of Television Without Pity)."