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I have done a bunch of legal research. First I should note that law is not my first language or anything.

Anyway, from what I have concluded, nothing Batman has ever done in 89 is murder. People tell me all the time he is a murderer but when I looked up the law in regards to murder, citizen's arrests and even the castle doctrine, I don't understand why it is murder. I think some people are just convinced it's murder because to, for example, blow up axis chemicals with those men inside at a moment where they are not shooting at you makes it murder. But according to the research I've done I don't think that's true.

I want to get opinions on this as it is impossible to have logical discussions with people on places like imdb for example where basically anything Burton did was crap and anything Nolan did was great and therefore 89 Batman has to be a murderer etc.

I was just wondering, can anyone make a more clear legal argument that Batman isn't a murderer? I'd make mine but I've made it a million times so I wanna hear other opinions. In my researched legal opinion, he is definitely NOT a murderer. I find anyone who thinks he's a murderer is hellbent and stuck on one idea, and doesn't seem to even entertain all the legal reasons why he is not. But like I said, I'm not a lawyer.

Please, would love some thoughts on this.

Just watched it and I thought it was fantastic. Very good script as well, as the characters had some very gripping dialogue and some great one-liners. I'm not usually a very big fan of the universe crossovers (nothing against them they just don't appeal to me) but this is now my favorite Batman Animated film. I really think this would be worth doing and extended live action version of.

Anyone else seen it and have any thoughts?

Honestly, this is one of the most underrated roles ever, played by a great actor Tracey Walter. Think of how many cliched and unimportant "right hand man to the crime boss" roles have been played over the course of movie history, even just take the last 20 or 30 years into account. Bob truly trumps them all. Half the time in films you don't even give a lying poop about those characters, and they are just kind of 'around'. Bob was pretty much the truest incarnation of the bad guy's right hand man. He looked dirty, acted dirty, played dirty, did what he was told without a moments notice, and had a true and visual sense of service and loyalty to the Joker.

After watching Nostalgia Critic's review, I now see more clearly that Bob may have just been that X factor that made the film that much better. Of course it helps when you are working with talent like Jack Nicholson in the brunt of your scenes. None the less, Bob was just that good, and I now realize that he didn't just get that action figure for nothing! In the name of characters like Bob, I say the Academy needs to create a new award titled The Best Supporting-supporting actor/actress. WHOSE WITH ME!!!!!!!!

After the final shot of DeVito sinking into his watery grave, it cuts to the scene where Alfred is driving Bruce and Bruce finds the cat in the alley etc. Bruce is dressed normally and has fresh scab scars on his cheek from the Catwoman encounter. Up until now I always thought this was a different scene that was taking place at a different time -i.e. at least a night later or something. I just finished watching the movie and it occurred to me; did Batman call Alfred from the Penguin's layer to come pick him up? The Bat-ski-boat was destroyed and Bruce had torn his mask off. I'm thinking, could this scene have been taking place during the ride home from the Penguin's layer? I guess it can sort of be 'whatever I want it to be' in kind of a cheesy way, but I'm curious now of what it is generally interpreted as.

So I'm asking, has anyone else ever seen it this way, or the other way? As of now, I'm starting to think that Bruce is in a fresh set of slacks, the Bat-suit is packed up in the trunk, his face is soar and freshly scabbing and he is contemplating his night of madness as Alfred drives him home. Then suddenly, with the thoughts still inkling fresh in his mind, he sees the shadow...and so on and so on.