The fans taken their passion for the DCEU and have launched a website in support of Zack Snyder's full vision of Justice League, which allegedly exists.
The site includes analysis, testimonials from fans, media gallery, and of course, the link to the change.org petition to release the unedited version of the film.
Check it out: http://www.forsnydercut.com/
I think Snyder's cut needed a few more months of post-production, several reshoots and pickups as well as a score by Junkie XL. Assuming it's even possible to get those things, it could cost $10 million or more. And that all assumes Snyder even has the heart to go through with it, which I'm not sure about at all.
I understand why people want it (and even sympathize) but I really don't think anybody should hold his breath.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Wed, 17 Jan 2018, 20:59
I think Snyder's cut needed a few more months of post-production, several reshoots and pickups as well as a score by Junkie XL. Assuming it's even possible to get those things, it could cost $10 million or more. And that all assumes Snyder even has the heart to go through with it, which I'm not sure about at all.
I understand why people want it (and even sympathize) but I really don't think anybody should hold his breath.
Pretty much. The studio killed Snyder's version of the film when they brought on Whedon and Elfman. They changed the direction of the film and made it canon. Showing a cut that isn't canon anymore doesn't make sense to them, even if the Snyder version is better - and I'm sure it is. They cut the cord and moved on in another direction. We don't have to like it, but we have to accept it.
As much as I want to see a Snyder cut I wouldn't hold my breath. Look how long it took to get the Donner Superman II cut. Over 20 years have passed since Batman Forever and still no Director's cut. And home video is far less lucrative now than it was before the streaming age.
lol, yeah, it's never going to happen. It's just a few fans are upset, and trying to project their outrage in a certain direction. Plus, Snyder left before he could complete the movie, so even if they released an early Snyder cut, it still wouldn't be a complete movie. Now, if he had a final version, and then was booted, that would be another thing entirely.
Overall, I just find it to be a useless endeavor. I dunno, whatever....
Quote from: riddler on Mon, 29 Jan 2018, 18:13
As much as I want to see a Snyder cut I wouldn't hold my breath. Look how long it took to get the Donner Superman II cut. Over 20 years have passed since Batman Forever and still no Director's cut. And home video is far less lucrative now than it was before the streaming age.
Dreaming of a Snyder cut is a waste of time. I'd like to see one, but focusing on something that's never going to happen is unhealthy in the long run. Focusing on the version they released in cinemas is healthier because it's a product that actually exists, and it's still something we can find enjoyment in. I'm fairly certain if the deleted scenes didn't exist (or we didn't know about them) opinions would be more favorable to the final cut. Because the final cut isn't a bad film. It's actually very re-watchable. Even if some scenes transition abruptly there's basically always something engaging going on.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 30 Jan 2018, 10:59
Dreaming of a Snyder cut is a waste of time. I'd like to see one, but focusing on something that's never going to happen is unhealthy in the long run. Focusing on the version they released in cinemas is healthier because it's a product that actually exists, and it's still something we can find enjoyment in.
Tragically, I've seen some fans on Twitter (and many of them are listed in that testimonials list on the website) have voiced displeasure over the film because they believe WB robbed Snyder from his true vision. Some even go far to suggest they're actually happy that the film failed at the box office.
What bloody idiots. Saying garbage like that only fuels clickbait hacks to spew their drivel, and does the brand no favours, if anything. It's one thing to be disappointed by the film. But suddenly wanting the film and the entire franchise to film that you've been supporting all this time is just cutting your nose to spite your face. Pettiness to the extreme.
It's idiocy like this that makes me have a poor opinion of comics/geek fanbases.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Wed, 31 Jan 2018, 13:33
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 30 Jan 2018, 10:59
Dreaming of a Snyder cut is a waste of time. I'd like to see one, but focusing on something that's never going to happen is unhealthy in the long run. Focusing on the version they released in cinemas is healthier because it's a product that actually exists, and it's still something we can find enjoyment in.
Tragically, I've seen some fans on Twitter (and many of them are listed in that testimonials list on the website) have voiced displeasure over the film because they believe WB robbed Snyder from his true vision. Some even go far to suggest they're actually happy that the film failed at the box office.
What bloody idiots. Saying garbage like that only fuels clickbait hacks to spew their drivel, and does the brand no favours, if anything. It's one thing to be disappointed by the film. But suddenly wanting the film and the entire franchise to film that you've been supporting all this time is just cutting your nose to spite your face. Pettiness to the extreme.
It's idiocy like this that makes me have a poor opinion of comics/geek fanbases.
They're not alone, the Nolan fans have been very vocal about cheering for the DCEU to fail because Nolan and Bale aren't involved. I feel sorry for anyone who wastes time and money on a movie they are rooting to fail.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Wed, 31 Jan 2018, 13:33
Tragically, I've seen some fans on Twitter (and many of them are listed in that testimonials list on the website) have voiced displeasure over the film because they believe WB robbed Snyder from his true vision. Some even go far to suggest they're actually happy that the film failed at the box office.
I felt that way, and at the core, basically still do. I was fuming mad about the cut content. Do I want to see Snyder's true vision released on home video? You bet. But is it going to happen? No. So there's no point exerting energy about this anymore. What's done is done.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri, 2 Feb 2018, 03:22
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Wed, 31 Jan 2018, 13:33
Tragically, I've seen some fans on Twitter (and many of them are listed in that testimonials list on the website) have voiced displeasure over the film because they believe WB robbed Snyder from his true vision. Some even go far to suggest they're actually happy that the film failed at the box office.
I felt that way, and at the core, basically still do. I was fuming mad about the cut content. Do I want to see Snyder's true vision released on home video? You bet. But is it going to happen? No. So there's no point exerting energy about this anymore. What's done is done.
It's one thing to be upset over scenes that didn't make it to the final cut. But it's another matter if people are just going to tear the movie apart for even the most innocuous things.
For example, I've seen fans complain about this one moment during the Steppenwolf battle where Batman gives this rather surprised smile. I can't remember when it happens exactly, it might've been when Superman returns.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6nhRdrS_o3A/maxresdefault.jpg)
I don't know about anyone else, but I don't see what the big deal is. There's nothing really wrong or over the top about this facial expression, and yet, some people are making it out as if it makes a mockery of Batman. Hell, I've seen some people on Twitter going so far to compare Batman in JL as a complete cartoon joke, just because of this and some lines that Whedon reshot.
Again, the stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri, 2 Feb 2018, 03:22
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Wed, 31 Jan 2018, 13:33
Tragically, I've seen some fans on Twitter (and many of them are listed in that testimonials list on the website) have voiced displeasure over the film because they believe WB robbed Snyder from his true vision. Some even go far to suggest they're actually happy that the film failed at the box office.
I felt that way, and at the core, basically still do. I was fuming mad about the cut content. Do I want to see Snyder's true vision released on home video? You bet. But is it going to happen? No. So there's no point exerting energy about this anymore. What's done is done.
This is how I feel. I absolutely want to see Snyder's cut of the film realized, but it's not going to happen. It's very unlikely WB would exhaust money and resources to finish effects, sound editing/design, color grading,scoring, etc, to finish whatever work needs to be done, which is probably a lot. By comparison, Superman II was a much smaller operation and one that never seemed like it was going to happen until it finally did. (And it still technically isn't what Richard Donner's final version of SII would've been.)
Honestly, I would just be happy to see the scenes released some day, though I wouldn't hold my breath for that either. It sucks, but this is the hand we've been dealt, so let's see where the DCEU goes from here on out.
Quote from: GoNerdYourself on Mon, 12 Mar 2018, 03:00
By comparison, Superman II was a much smaller operation and one that never seemed like it was going to happen until it finally did. (And it still technically isn't what Richard Donner's final version of SII would've been.)
Donner's cut of SII wasn't even close to a finished product at all. It used a lot of screen test footage, some CGI for certain sequences and recycle the S78 ending because Donner never got the chance to come up with a different ending. Of course as you know, the irony is that ending was originally supposed to be made for the sequel, not the first one.
The thing is none of us really knows how further into Snyder went into production. For all we know, he might've progressed as much as Donner did for his movie, or even less. Or maybe even further. Nobody knows for sure. Too many rumours and speculation are misleading people to get a clear picture. Unless Snyder decides to break his silence and sets the record straight once and for all, the gossip will continue.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Sat, 10 Mar 2018, 23:33
It's one thing to be upset over scenes that didn't make it to the final cut. But it's another matter if people are just going to tear the movie apart for even the most innocuous things.
For example, I've seen fans complain about this one moment during the Steppenwolf battle where Batman gives this rather surprised smile. I can't remember when it happens exactly, it might've been when Superman returns.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6nhRdrS_o3A/maxresdefault.jpg)
I don't know about anyone else, but I don't see what the big deal is. There's nothing really wrong or over the top about this facial expression, and yet, some people are making it out as if it makes a mockery of Batman. Hell, I've seen some people on Twitter going so far to compare Batman in JL as a complete cartoon joke, just because of this and some lines that Whedon reshot.
Again, the stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me.
Listen up, duderinos. I'm not a fan of this smile in particular. I'm not against Batman smiling, case in point against Napier in Axis, and the Strongman in Returns. These give Batman a smug confidence which I like. But the Justice League moment makes him appear like a starstruck fanboy. Yes, I get that Batman was inspired after Superman's death by shaking off some of his darkness. But I think this was a step too far. But is it a deal breaker? No, it's not. The vast majority of the portrayal is too good for this to be a serious issue. It's only for a couple of seconds.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 18 Mar 2018, 00:27
Listen up, duderinos. I'm not a fan of this smile in particular. I'm not against Batman smiling, case in point against Napier in Axis, and the Strongman in Returns. These give Batman a smug confidence which I like.
I'd argue Keaton's smiling in both scenes had an air of unhinged psychosis, but I digress.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 18 Mar 2018, 00:27
But the Justice League moment makes him appear like a starstruck fanboy. Yes, I get that Batman was inspired after Superman's death by shaking off some of his darkness. But I think this was a step too far. But is it a deal breaker? No, it's not. The vast majority of the portrayal is too good for this to be a serious issue. It's only for a couple of seconds.
Okay, that's a rather fair assessment. Unfortunately, this doesn't appear to be the consensus among the DCEU fans at the moment. A lot of them ARE taking a big issue with this. I've looked up a lot of these fans who posted their own little testimonials on that For Snyder Cut website on Twitter, and they're saying JL destroyed everything that's good about Batman from BvS; using that little one second smile as an example. I think it's ridiculous. I'd say both films cover Batman as a vulnerable human being who punches above his weight whenever he can, but he's not a God. This counterargument to this meme below captures this sentiment perfectly.
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JL does have things to lament about. I think it's more reasonable to complain about the lack of reaction from the entire globe when Superman returns from the grave, no exploration into how Clark Kent could get his old life back when everybody thought he was dead, as well as the trouble behind the scenes involving Snyder and WB. But this example is beyond pettiness.
But what do you expect? I've seen somebody complaining Batman in JL was a 'coward'. Yeah, really it was really cowardly of him to insist bringing Superman back to life despite the protests and concerns by Alfred and the group, and driving the Batmobile to attack and distract the Parademons. ::)
When it comes to DC, a lot of people lose their minds and their critical thinking is completely warped.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 18 Mar 2018, 00:27
Listen up, duderinos. I'm not a fan of this smile in particular. I'm not against Batman smiling, case in point against Napier in Axis, and the Strongman in Returns. These give Batman a smug confidence which I like. But the Justice League moment makes him appear like a starstruck fanboy. Yes, I get that Batman was inspired after Superman's death by shaking off some of his darkness. But I think this was a step too far. But is it a deal breaker? No, it's not. The vast majority of the portrayal is too good for this to be a serious issue. It's only for a couple of seconds.
Also, don't forget this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1bmM7Ihv0Y
The problems with JL, Batman wasn't one of them. Justice League Batman has always been a bit different than Gotham Batman, a bit more of an adventure hero and less of a Dark Knight. That's not a problem. There was even a JL Animated episode where Batman is singing. Batman, singing.
JL is a disjointed mess with some CG so bad they are distracting, featuring what is possibly the lamest supervillain ever seen in the history of big budget comic book movies. Mediocre character design, CG that looks like early PS3 cutscenes, and the voice/mo-cap actor (the sadly wasted Ciaran Hinds) obviously phoning it in. These are problems, this is part of the reasons this movie is bad, not because Batman smiles.
Storyboard artist Jay Oliva, who worked on BvS as well as known for directing animated adaptations of The Dark Knight Returns and Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox, has taken to Twitter to tell internet bloggers and trolls alike (at this point, there is not much difference between the two tbh) that a Snyder cut does exist. The video below contains screenshots of what he said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3kZoBXvdDA
Oliva is not holding back. The other day, clickbait site Batman-News.com wrote a tweet telling him he needs to stop giving fans a false sense of hope. Oliva's responses are gold:
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Ummm who are you to tell me to stop? Seriously what do you care what I share on MY Twitter account. Don't you have some "rumor" you'd rather be covering? Do you have any clue how films nowadays are made? Or how Zack made JL? Were you there? I'm curious please enlighten me.
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For a news site you really get your facts wrong. Please do some research and go back in my history if you want to see what I really said about it. As for me stopping, well I'm never gonna stop until #ReleaseTheSnyderCut gets to see the film Zack made.
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Fans will be fans. You and I cannot control them. All we can do is try to inform them is a positive and productive manner. I use my Twitter to help educate them because I had inside knowledge about how these films were made. I'm supporting all fans.
Source: https://twitter.com/BatmanNewsCom/status/1014936048475037696
I'm glad somebody is putting the clickbait mongers in their place, I'm tired listening to their pathetic gossip.
Oliva is probably in a better position to speak intelligently about a Snyder cut.
But, based on what has been made public, I would imagine calling this thing the "Snyder cut" gives it a level of credibility it may not deserve. My understanding is that Snyder's version needed some reshoots and a complete score by Junkie XL. Probably completed visual effects as well.
Put simply, the movie isn't finished. And it's probably not possible anymore to finish it to Snyder's satisfaction.
I would love to be wrong about all of this, believe me. But I'm thinking that Whedon's hackjob mess is the best we can hope for.
Zack, if you're reading this, I am BEGGING YOU to prove me wrong because I don't want Whedon to have the last word on this film.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Sun, 15 Jul 2018, 00:01
But I'm thinking that Whedon's hackjob mess is the best we can hope for.
This description also fits Whedon himself.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Sun, 15 Jul 2018, 00:01
Oliva is probably in a better position to speak intelligently about a Snyder cut.
But, based on what has been made public, I would imagine calling this thing the "Snyder cut" gives it a level of credibility it may not deserve. My understanding is that Snyder's version needed some reshoots and a complete score by Junkie XL. Probably completed visual effects as well.
Put simply, the movie isn't finished. And it's probably not possible anymore to finish it to Snyder's satisfaction.
I would love to be wrong about all of this, believe me. But I'm thinking that Whedon's hackjob mess is the best we can hope for.
Zack, if you're reading this, I am BEGGING YOU to prove me wrong because I don't want Whedon to have the last word on this film.
I think the people involved in this Snyder cut movement are perfectly aware that his vision for JL isn't 100% finished. At this stage, they don't care. From what I've read of their comments on social media, they'll be happy with a cut that's 70% completed, even if it's less than that. Of course this should go without saying, but it's a show of support for the director too.
Regardless, this was what Oliva told Forbes writer Mark Hughes on Twitter:
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I think they [the fans] are responding to people saying that the Snydercut (prior to Whedon's involvement) does not exist and is not a cohesive story because Zack left. It may not be 100% polished but all of the planned scenes were shot and edited into a full timeline.
Source: https://twitter.com/jayoliva1/status/1007851887444422657?lang=en
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Sun, 15 Jul 2018, 04:39I think the people involved in this Snyder cut movement are perfectly aware that his vision for JL isn't 100% finished. At this stage, they don't care. From what I've read of their comments on social media, they'll be happy with a cut that's 70% completed, even if it's less than that. Of course this should go without saying, but it's a show of support for the director too.
Regardless, this was what Oliva told Forbes writer Mark Hughes on Twitter:
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I think they [the fans] are responding to people saying that the Snydercut (prior to Whedon's involvement) does not exist and is not a cohesive story because Zack left. It may not be 100% polished but all of the planned scenes were shot and edited into a full timeline.
Source: https://twitter.com/jayoliva1/status/1007851887444422657?lang=en
Mmm, his word is good enough for me. There may be hope yet.
Apparently, a "journalist" working for the Wall Street Journal had interviewed Jay Oliva and a member of the fan group in support of the Snyder Cut, but decided to spin the story that the intended version doesn't exist, and wrote an article taking things out of context.
Here's Oliva's reaction:
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I guess my interview with you didn't fit your narrative of crazy fans. Really disappointed in you Ben. You had the chance to write an article that helped bring understanding to a movement about keeping the artistic integrity and creative freedom of future filmmmakers.
https://twitter.com/jayoliva1/status/1019993153737068544
Journalism today. ::) I guess Superman's saying "I don't know, no one stays good in this world" before fighting Batman rings true more than ever.
Yeah that interview was major league BS. Oliva's more relevant comments about the actual state of Snyder's cut were conspicuously absent. It's good to know I was right to smell a rat while reading that POS article.
Henry Cavill did an interview recently and pretty much said move on and leave JL behind. That's the company line and he's towing it. Cavill KNOWS what was filmed, because he was in front of Zack's camera. Is he going to spill those beans, and say what version he preferred? No way.
Cavill's main argument seems to be that WB wouldn't make millions from a Snyder cut.
Canon has now been set and they're sticking to it. Are they going to release a film which potentially has people saying 'why the EFF didn't you release this in the first place?!' Doubtful.
WB got cold feet and went with something safe.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 23 Jul 2018, 03:49
Henry Cavill did an interview recently and pretty much said move on and leave JL behind. That's the company line and he's towing it. Cavill KNOWS what was filmed, because he was in front of Zack's camera. Is he going to spill those beans, and say what version he preferred? No way.
Cavill's main argument seems to be that WB wouldn't make millions from a Snyder cut.
Canon has now been set and they're sticking to it. Are they going to release a film which potentially has people saying 'why the EFF didn't you release this in the first place?!' Doubtful.
WB got cold feet and went with something safe.
Heh, fans aren't famous for letting things go. I admire him for being forthright. I'll even acknowledge that he's taking the exact right attitude here.
Just saying that Snyder's true believers won't be so easily thwarted. If Donner's Superman II is anything to judge by, maybe it's better that we all leave well enough alone.
The DCEU up to this point has been a noble failure. Not a complete failure. But a failure nevertheless.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Mon, 23 Jul 2018, 03:54
The DCEU up to this point has been a noble failure. Not a complete failure. But a failure nevertheless.
Let me unpack this.
Man of Steel? Great
BvS: Dawn of Justice? Great
Suicide Squad? Okay
Wonder Woman? Great
Justice League: Okay
SS and JL get the okay score from me - but it's the untapped potential that kills the vibe there.
But looking ahead, enthusiasm still exists despite that jaded feeling regarding Snyder. The Shazam! trailer did the trick for me. It seems like a naturally enjoyable movie with a good concept and good lead actor. Aquaman has nice visuals, and I do like Momoa in that particular role.
So in a best case scenario, if those two films deliver, the DCEU wouldn't be doing too badly for itself from my point of view. If any good emerges from the SS and JL sagas, it'll be to hire somebody and then let them complete their vision.
On the Batman front, I've read that a new actor will be cast for Reeves' film. Apparently it'll be set in the early years of Batfleck's career, like year two. It wouldn't recap his origins or anything, but would show his first real encounter with a classic supervillain. If that's the intent, I'm actually kinda okay with that.
Why?
Because it would remain in-canon to the DCEU Batman, and the new actor could be believably accepted given it's decades before BvS, ala the new Solo film. If this is the route they go, however, a limited role from Affleck would be the cherry on top. Perhaps he gives a voiceover at the beginning and/or end, recounting his early days, much how Wonder Woman handled things. Or even a scene of current day Batfleck in action, then merging to the past.
A limited role would be better than no role at all.
When you think about it, recasting DCEU Batman to show his early years would have to happen anyway.
We'll have to wait and see.
I think it's wise to wait until official word comes out before believing anything. Too much fake news has been spread for the sake of clickbait, at this point.
Unless Matt Reeves said something I'm not aware of?
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Thu, 26 Jul 2018, 05:52
I think it's wise to wait until official word comes out before believing anything.
Uh huh.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 26 Jul 2018, 05:29
We'll have to wait and see.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 26 Jul 2018, 05:29
Apparently
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 26 Jul 2018, 05:29
If that's the intent
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 26 Jul 2018, 05:29
If this is the route they go
As everyone can see, I blatantly came out and confirmed rumors I had seen, didn't I?
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Thu, 26 Jul 2018, 05:52
Too much fake news has been spread for the sake of clickbait, at this point.
Speculation is the lifeblood of discussion. Believing something is another matter entirely. Entertaining a concept is harmless and healthy. It's certainly more interesting than saying nothing about a hypothetical scenario.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 26 Jul 2018, 07:08
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Thu, 26 Jul 2018, 05:52
I think it's wise to wait until official word comes out before believing anything.
Uh huh.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 26 Jul 2018, 05:29
We'll have to wait and see.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 26 Jul 2018, 05:29
Apparently
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 26 Jul 2018, 05:29
If that's the intent
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 26 Jul 2018, 05:29
If this is the route they go
As everyone can see, I blatantly came out and confirmed rumors I had seen, didn't I?
You'll need to excuse me. I've just become too burned out by hearing rumours and gossip with anything relating DC to the point I just have this impulsive need to remind myself and everybody else not to get too carried away. It's got nothing to do with you, but I've seen too many fans on social media either getting their hopes up or fearing the worst for every rumour coming out. It gets exhausting.
I saw this FX video of Victor Stone playing football while his mother watches on from this tweet. Apparently, an FX company showed this in a compilation video for the projects they worked on, but it appears WB had pulled it down.
Source: https://twitter.com/Mirals5/status/1021701781758402560
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Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 26 Jul 2018, 05:29
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Mon, 23 Jul 2018, 03:54
The DCEU up to this point has been a noble failure. Not a complete failure. But a failure nevertheless.
Let me unpack this.
Man of Steel? Great
BvS: Dawn of Justice? Great
Suicide Squad? Okay
Wonder Woman? Great
Justice League: Okay
[/quote]Two of those got completely committee-banged during post production. Only one of them received almost universal praise, while the critical reaction to the rest... well, it varied, let's say that.
Only one of them was an out-and-out box office failure. But unfortunately, it looks like the haters have won/are winning/will win. WB must respond and it appears that they'll be responding by abandoning what made the DCEU so well-regarded around here.
A noble failure. I stand by that.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 26 Jul 2018, 23:24
Two of those got completely committee-banged during post production. Only one of them received almost universal praise, while the critical reaction to the rest... well, it varied, let's say that.
Only one of them was an out-and-out box office failure. But unfortunately, it looks like the haters have won/are winning/will win. WB must respond and it appears that they'll be responding by abandoning what made the DCEU so well-regarded around here.
A noble failure. I stand by that.
Untapped potential does kill the vibe and makes me feel jaded. I don't walk away from those comments. Going forward, I can't see Batman grabbing a knife out of his body and ramming in into a thug's shoulder, pinning him to a wall in the new era DCEU. That much is clear. A toned down Batman Forever would be the best compromise. Meaning the same kind of atmosphere but without Tommy Lee Jones and Jim Carrey goofing off every five seconds.
I found this worthwhile video of Ray Fisher speaking at a fan event, which took place a month ago. Like Jay Oliva, Fisher insists that Snyder shot all of the planned footage, but went one better by suggesting there was probably enough footage to make two movies. Before that, he answered questions about what drew his interest into the Cyborg and the original plans for the character.
Yeah, I think it's safe to say that anybody who still suggests that there's no Snyder cut of JL is a liar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=341ryZQvF3o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4eA9XvsomM
Quote from: Travesty on Tue, 27 Nov 2018, 00:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4eA9XvsomM
As a general ethical guideline, I always always always discourage people from using any type of nicotine. Because I know only too well what being addicted to nicotine is like.
But holy crap on a cracker without the cracker, that YouTube guy really needs to smoke a cigarette and relax. Not saying he's wrong though. But a temper like that today is a heart attack in the future.
The DCEU is a disappointment in the sense the content was all there to be implemented but it was shunned out of studio cowardice. But what's done is done.
The future of the ongoing DCEU will be Aquaman, Wonder Woman, The Flash and Harley Quinn.
So here's the thing. We can lament the disappointment of Affleck departing the role and get nothing new Batman wise at all (c'mon guys, he's out) or we embrace the possibility of a new prequel trilogy with Reeves.
I'll take the latter, because otherwise, my cinematic Batman needs aren't being met.
There's no waiting around for Affleck to return because I'm sure management have already made the call.
So let's just get in with it. The years will just roll on by with nothing otherwise. The show goes on, and Aquaman and friends just don't do it for me in the same way.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri, 27 Jul 2018, 01:08
Untapped potential does kill the vibe and makes me feel jaded. I don't walk away from those comments. Going forward, I can't see Batman grabbing a knife out of his body and ramming in into a thug's shoulder, pinning him to a wall in the new era DCEU. That much is clear.
I just love how morons were outraged over moments in BvS like Batman stabbing that goon in the shoulder and thought that was going too far...but happily overlooked Wonder Woman performing a real cold-blooded execution on Luddendorf. And they call the WW movie light-hearted fun? Again, these people are morons. Sounds insulting? Too bad, I'm calling it as I see it when it comes inconsistent stupidity.
Meanwhile, Snyder released this image of a mural of Darkseid that was cut out in the film, and he was intended to appear too. Diana was apparently meant to encounter this mural.
(https://i0.wp.com/www.comicsuniverse.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Ds20t2FWkAE7ypX.jpg?w=750)
(https://i0.wp.com/www.comicsuniverse.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Justice-League-Temple-Mural-5.jpg?w=1107)
Source: http://www.comicsuniverse.it/justice-league-nuovo-sguardo-a-darkseid-con-una-foto-pubblicata-da-zack-snyder/
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 27 Nov 2018, 10:39
So here's the thing. We can lament the disappointment of Affleck departing the role and get nothing new Batman wise at all (c'mon guys, he's out) or we embrace the possibility of a new prequel trilogy with Reeves.
I'll take the latter, because otherwise, my cinematic Batman needs aren't being met.
Sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, I'm out. It's not even about whether Affleck stays or goes anymore. WB did a huge disservice to the fans with their mishandling over the JL situation. I was stupid enough to believe in their lies that they would honour what the film was intended, and I'm not going to be duped again. It's going to take enormous goodwill on their part to ever regain my trust and interest in supporting their films financially ever again. Not that my lack of contribution would make that much of a difference, but nonetheless, WB's film department can shove it.
I get it. It really sucks what they did with JL. I was severely pissed after Raimi was booted from Spider-Man. My anger over the JL situation was like a raging volcano. They should've released the Snyder version. But instead, they lied to our faces and screwed over a misunderstood genius (Snyder). I feel that pain as much as anybody. But one year, five years or even ten years from now, what's the difference? The Batman movie brand is eventually going to continue after this episode. Just as Batman Begins followed Batman and Robin eight years later. The Reeves movie is being made whether we like it or not, and while I am burned, I'm still a Batman fan. I'm open to seeing what he offers. Batman has only ever been my main interest with the DC movie brand. The Aquaman, Flash, etc side of things can bomb for all I care. I liked the dynamic of Batman interacting with them, but those days are over. As for Reeves, I'll wait to see what happens.
At this stage, I don't give a damn what Reeves does anymore. I'm just not interested. As I said before, comics on film has reached a point where I've had enough, and WB certainly made things much worse. They don't deserve any of my money.
The only comics adaptations I've watched and had any hope to look forward to have been mixed. Daredevil S3 was great, but now I'm hearing uncomfortable rumours that a fourth season isn't guaranteed. Marvel Netflix's future is uncertain now with two shows cancelled. I'm watching Titans, but so far, I find it to be rather mediocre.
I'm rambling on a bit, but it's just not a good time for cinema, and I don't see it improving any time soon.
Quote from: Travesty on Tue, 27 Nov 2018, 00:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4eA9XvsomM
I tuned out from that video as soon as he says they should've played Zimmer's music from the Nolan series instead of Elfman's "Batman music nobody cares about", which barely played in the film. I know that sounds petty, but sorry, Zimmer's music in that trilogy was crap, especially when you hear his work on MOS and BvS.
With that said, I'm not defending Elfman. Whether he was rushed or not, he appears to be a shadow of his former self. His JL score doesn't compare to what he did for Burton.
Here is a screenshot of Oliva slamming MovieWeb for misquoting him.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dv8pJJaXcAAQhaE?format=jpg&name=medium)
Fake news, click-bait and a misquote all in one go.
You're an inspiration to us all, Movie Web.
I can't believe nobody else mentioned it yet, but anyway: last weekend at a Q&A fan convention, Zack Snyder confirmed his cut of JL does exist, even going so far to say "he has a bunch of 'em", but suggests it's up to Warner Butchers to release it. Not a huge surprise considering the likes of Jay Oliva has been keeping up the good fight on social media for over a year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZguNcj2_lI
But there's a fair bit more going. The following post recaps everything what Snyder revealed to the crowd of fans:
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But an important note to mention is that this Snyder cut was not the original plan. Chris Terrio and Zack Snyder had written Justice League (part I) before BvS was even released in theaters. But due to the backlash of BvS, however, this frightened everyone involved, and they had to do major rewrites. The script (of the rewrites) is what was shot; it is the true "Snyder Cut." But we all know what happened to that movie. So once again, these outlets, bloggers and reporters are incorrect, and they're just writing click bait to stir up the fan-base, add fuel to the fire and give the "haters" lies to spread.
In regards to the original script, WB was scared out of their minds to release something like that in theaters... "I guess it IS crazy... we're f*cking nuts. There's going to be mass hysteria in the streets if we film this apparently," Zack joked. "WHAT KIND OF CRAZY," shouted a fan, and this, ladies and gentleman would be the question to lead to answers that would electrify the crowd in a way that I've never seen.
Long story short, the Knightmare sequence from Batman v Superman would be the bridge to tie the storylines together. Darkseid has taken over Earth because Superman has succumbed to the Anti-Life Equation, a concept in DC Comics that proves hope, love, and freedom are all meaningless and something that effectively destroys a person's free will. How and why might you ask? Well, it turns out that while Lois was in the Batcave, under Bruce's protection, Darkseid boomtubes in and kills her, jump-starting the true nightmare and explaining why Superman said "She was my world, and you took her from me." To get things back to normal and escape Darkseid's reign, Bruce recalls the Flash coming to him and saying that "Lois is the key." Zack then goes on to explain that Bruce & Cyborg concoct a plan to time-jump at the perfect moment. "Which of these two windows do you think we should use," Bruce would've asked. "This one," Zack explains as Cyborg. Then Bruce would reply "Use the other one because that one you already did, and Barry Allen was in my freaking batcave yelling at me about nonsense..." They had to perfectly time saving Lois' life to prevent Superman's change.
So, one could imagine why WB didn't go with this script, especially after fans 'cried' online for months (and years) about Batman's no killing code. (Seriously, do you guys even know Batman's history or watched other Batman films?) Even so, that's besides the point. What a missed opportunity. And perhaps the most frustrating part of all is knowing that this wasn't even going to be the entire movie. People would've gotten "their Superman" and their heroes for a lot of this film. It would've been the true dawn of our heroes. But unfortunately, patience is a virtue that is lost among the masses.
Source: https://popculturereviews.com/2019/03/25/snyder-con-recap-a-weekend-of-directors-cuts/
Here is more footage of Snyder confirming everything that article said.
https://youtu.be/Yw9AeuiCRpc
So there you have it. The Knightmare scene was a preview to what Justice League Part 2 would've been, and the completed Snyder cut itself is still a compromised vision. Nonetheless, he should have his true cut released to wider audiences, and fans have every right to see it.
On a sidenote, you have to admire how he entertained fans at this weeklong convention. I don't hear many Hollywood directors doing that.
^ One more thing I forgot to say.
Snyder agreed to compromise his movie as Warner Butchers requested...and they still decided to replace with Whedon and do more reshoots. They're bastards.
So, what does everyone else think about the original plans for a two part Justice League saga that got scrapped?
My only gripe is the time travel aspect. I got to admit, I've become tired of that trope, as it's overused in comics and live action (Arrowverse is definitely the most guilty of this). With that said, the one thing I like about the idea of Justice League going back in time to stop Darkseid from turning Superman evil, is the idea that Batman sacrifices himself to kill Darkseid, as it was rumoured ages ago. It would've been a good juxtaposition with Superman's noble sacrifice in BvS. To put in a broader context, Batman sacrificing himself to save Superman would've been a great send-off to Affleck's run. From waging war with Superman in the paranoid belief he would betray the human race, to seeing the error of his ways and stop Lex and Doomsday in the end. From reviving Superman back from the dead to stop Steppenwolf, to give his life to stop Darkseid from corrupting Superman. Instead, we only got halfway through that journey.
I noticed a lot of dickheads complained about killing Batman off on social media, but I'll tell you what, this would've been a REAL heroic sacrifice, unlike that cop-out, turn-off-your-brain nonsense we saw in Dark Knight Rises.
As for the cancelled two part saga, I've noticed some fans are accusing the MCU of stealing the idea for Avengers: Endgame, which is apparently using time travel as a major plot point. From what I can tell about the movie industry, anything is possible. I was watching the restrospective special of Tom Hanks' Big on DVD earlier this year, and the producers recalled how everybody else in the industry were aware of the production and Hanks getting involved, so these copycat movies were made first and reached the cinema by the time Big got released to the public. So how can anybody be sure the MCU producers didn't learn of the original DCEU plans and took those ideas for what their movies? After all, the Russos admitted Civil War was made because of BvS.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Sat, 21 Jul 2018, 22:36
Yeah that interview was major league BS. Oliva's more relevant comments about the actual state of Snyder's cut were conspicuously absent. It's good to know I was right to smell a rat while reading that POS article.
Now Snyder himself confirmed his cut of the movie does exist, Oliva took to Twitter once again to rub it in that hack's face for writing that hit piece for the Wall Street Journal.
Quote from: Jay Oliva
I love his "source close the the film". You know who my source was @benfritz ? Zack F'n Snyder. But hey keep up that great work there Ben. ;D
https://twitter.com/jayoliva1/status/1111695798188666882
Savage, but totally justified. (https://www.batman-online.com/forum/Themes/batmanonlinecom_default/images/post/thumbup.gif)
I found this compilation video of everyone involved in the production of the movie supporting the cut's existence. It includes some footage of what I posted before in this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lf6YUphVlI
I did hear about Ciaran Hinds saying the theatrical cut wasn't what he worked on shortly after it came out, but I couldn't tell if the source was clickbait or not. Jason Momoa's show of support was more emphatic than others, obviously.
As for those two guys from Collider changing their tune about BvS and their show of support for Zack Snyder, it's a bit too late now, isn't it? Frankly, I don't really buy their change of heart. I reckon it's a cynical ploy they're doing in order to gain clicks. After all, the majority of the people working for the site complained about the tone of Snyder's movies, but suddenly, they're not impressed with the lighter tone of Shazam and Aquaman, despite their constant complaining about the need for "fun". Now they're supposedly in favour of Snyder's JL coming out? Once again, I don't buy it. It comes across as fueling this idiotic Marvel vs DC flame war.
https://twitter.com/RTSnyderCut/status/1116393221653921793
One more thing, yes, I understand they're saying they don't have a problem with Batman killing, but don't you just love it when they refer to Burton's version as the easier target to talk about, if people aren't complaining about Batfleck? Once again, it goes to show lip service can get away with anything if you're dumb enough to believe it.
Meanwhile, the online movement is gaining momentum. A new Twitter account has created a code of conduct to ensure positive PR for the demand of the cut...
https://twitter.com/RTSnyderCut/status/1111635908892200963
...tand his coming Monday, fans are encouraged to make their voices heard on social media in support for the film.
https://youtu.be/sS5jtLkZ35w
Kind of ironic, isn't it? The song for the first JL trailer was called "Come Together", but now fans are coming together for this cause because Warner Butchers weren't honest with the marketing of the movie.
Here is this cool video re-edit of the BvS teaser trailer and the MOS "You are not alone" trailer in support of the Snyder cut, and mocking voice clips from Collider "personalities" denying its existence.
https://youtu.be/KR9by66j1E4
Here is a new compilation video of fans around the world asking for the release of the Snyder cut, which was posted on social media a few weeks ago.
https://youtu.be/lJJUKwlMwWo
Before I share what Zack Snyder posted yesterday, I'd like to post the following to put it in context.
Some time ago, a fan asked Snyder on Vero if he had directed the last shot we see of Cyborg during the theatrical cut's ending, where he creates the red orb on his chest.
(https://i.imgur.com/FCl37LN.jpg)
Snyder confirmed he didn't direct that shot.
(https://i.imgur.com/bnrSRm8.jpg)
Instead, Snyder shared these images of a crestfallen Cyborg a week ago....
(https://i.imgur.com/8dguA1U.jpg)
...and then yesterday, he shared this picture of Victor saying goodbye to Silas as his dad disintegrates, presumably moments before that picture above.
(https://i.imgur.com/17RrPoe.jpg)
I don't know how Snyder can get away sharing spoilers of his true cut AND proving once again he didn't oversee the movie we saw in theaters, if he's still forced to keep quiet by the f***ing NDA. Nonetheless, it's quite a big revelation to share. I wonder if he'll get punished even further by those Warner scumbags?
Warner apologists will claim it's probably for the best Silas was spared in the theatrical cut because of hopes he'd appear in a Cyborg movie...which I say it's quite laughable, because the possibility of Ray Fisher walking away from the role is more than likely to happen, given the circumstances.
So why did Snyder share these pictures, other than to demonstrate his cut does exist? It might have to do with recent claims by internet scoopers who say his cut of the movie still needs $40 million to complete VFX. And this could've been Snyder's way of debunking those claims. Who really knows for sure?
But what I do know is - once again - I'm definitely NOT moving on and just blindly accept any crap Warner is putting out. I'll repeat once more, they can go to hell. Especially if they never release this cut of JL.
Don't mistake me for an attorney but my understanding is that most NDA's have an expiration date. A gag order from a judge is one thing. But an NDA is something else. Something lesser. It's not meant to be a permanent vow of silence.
If Snyder broke his NDA and shared a bunch of verboten pictures... well, I don't see how that's possible. He's the director of the movie (by credit, if nothing else) and from a legal standpoint, those images could be construed as deleted scenes. They're not his property, obviously, but it's kind of ludicrous to claim that directors don't have some kind of privilege to share information about or even photos of their films.
Now that I think about it, Snyder probably has a longer leash than anybody else involved with the production, if he even has a leash at all.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Wed, 29 May 2019, 23:00
Don't mistake me for an attorney but my understanding is that most NDA's have an expiration date. A gag order from a judge is one thing. But an NDA is something else. Something lesser. It's not meant to be a permanent vow of silence.
If Snyder broke his NDA and shared a bunch of verboten pictures... well, I don't see how that's possible. He's the director of the movie (by credit, if nothing else) and from a legal standpoint, those images could be construed as deleted scenes. They're not his property, obviously, but it's kind of ludicrous to claim that directors don't have some kind of privilege to share information about or even photos of their films.
Now that I think about it, Snyder probably has a longer leash than anybody else involved with the production, if he even has a leash at all.
In retrospect, all this talk about the NDA reaffirms the fact that Warner had no intention of releasing the movie Snyder was making, despite the fact he agreed to compromise his original vision for the film with more rewrites. And yet, the bastards still decided to put on this charade to reshoot his movie. If this was what they were going to do, I would've preferred they had the grace and dignity to delay the entire project and let the director leave on his own terms, instead of this disgusting mistreatment and deception.
But the fact is, Snyder did get to make the movie, and according to him, it IS done. My only guess why he would share these Cyborg spoilers is to encourage fans not to give up the fight and keep demanding for the movie. No matter how hard those Warner pricks try to hide it and want us to forget about it.
I saw this quote by the Warner president, and it made me laugh.
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In regards to reviving DC on the film side in the wake of Batman vs. Superman and Justice League, Emmerich said that the trick is putting the IP in the hands of filmmakers' visions, which is the overall creed of Warner Bros. They're a filmmaker-driven studio.
"Great directors are the lifeblood of a studio," said Emmerich. "But they need great producers" he added, to great cheers.
https://deadline.com/2019/06/warner-studio-toby-emmerich-peter-roth-dc-netflix-godzilla-vs-kong-kevin-tsujihara-1202629538/
Just as a reminder, Toby Emmerich is the same dickhead who spin doctered the news when Snyder departed from the film and Whedon replaced him back in May 2017.
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The directing is minimal and it has to adhere to the style and tone and the template that Zack set. We're not introducing any new characters. It's the same characters in some new scenes. He's handing the baton to Joss, but the course has really been set by Zack. I still believe that despite this tragedy, we'll still end up with a great movie.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/zack-snyder-steps-down-justice-league-deal-family-tragedy-1006455
What a joke. First of all, a "filmmaker-driven studio" doesn't make the director do rewrites to change his original script, and then suddenly hijack the movie in post-production and replace the completed footage with expensive reshoots. Never the mind the fact lying to the whole public it would still stay true to the director's vision. Cutting 30 minutes of BvS didn't exactly help artistic integrity either, but doing what they did to JL was a f***ing disgusting act.
Make no mistake, this is Warner's pathetic attempt of trying to control the narrative. They must be aware of the growing alert and demand for Snyder's cut of the film, and they're trying to avoid any more scrutiny. Which must be one of the reasons why they're not going to Comic Con this year, and why they're throwing their supposed "trust" in Matt Reeves. Trying to build goodwill because another director is coming off recent success and we're encouraged to think Batman is supposed to be in good hands so we can forget about Affleck's "stain" on the character. What a load of sh*t. And to think some people why I refuse to pay any money to this company any more.
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if one of those hit pieces from The Wall Street Journal was approved by the studio itself.
In addition to unveiling the first image of Darkseid yesterday, Zack Snyder released another deleted shot of Victor Stone, this time he's looking at an hallucination of himself and his family.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9NfUw8WwAg_CS_.jpg:large)
This is what Ray Fisher tweeted, and by the sounds of it, it must be a quote what was said in that scene.
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"My poor broken boy. I can make you whole again, Victor."
https://twitter.com/rehsifyar/status/1140393876907352064
Karen Bryson, who plays Victor's mother Elinore, simply tweeted this in response to Fisher's tweet.
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I LOVE this...
https://twitter.com/Karen_Bryson/status/1140548457884803074
Unsurprisingly, at a fan convention over the weekend, Fisher said if he had the power, he'd release the cut.
https://twitter.com/J2HNNY/status/1139744336747421696
Another day, another black and white Cyborg image from the Snyder cut released for the world to see.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-4_OD2WkAAdTx8.jpg)
And yet, some people will still think the cut doesn't exist.
I remember when the theatrical release came out, I said Cyborg was well established enough as a character. Well, judging by the removed content I've shared thus far, I must confess I am sorely mistaken.
JL cinematographer Fabian Wagner has shared a video and a photo of that last Cyborg scene on Instagram, confirming it was supposed to take place in a cemetery.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bzvbau3BM1Z/?hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bzq7TWjhMOE/?hl=en
When little golden nuggets like this surface, it makes me wonder how much Whedon changed. It's worth questioning if Snyder's version has anything in common at all with Whedon's version.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Wed, 10 Jul 2019, 23:23
When little golden nuggets like this surface, it makes me wonder how much Whedon changed.
I think it's a given to suggest he has changed quite a lot. I found this listicle by Screen Rant that has every change and comparison thus far:
https://screenrant.com/zack-snyder-cut-justice-league-changes
Meanwhile, the official Warner Twitter page took the opportunity to promote the American Black Film Festival, with a PR spin saying "We are proud to support events like this to highlight and empower diverse storytellers".
https://twitter.com/warnerbros/status/1149009944403951616
As you can see in the replies of that tweet, fans called out Warner's virtue signalling by saying they wouldn't have reduced Cyborg's arc and removed characters like his mother and Iris West if they truly believed in diversity. This makes the replacement of such story and characters with a generic Russian family even more infuriating.
In other news, Newsweek reported the demand for the Snyder cut when WarnerMedia announced the release of their new streaming service, HBO Max.
https://www.newsweek.com/what-snyder-cut-hbo-max-1448388
Also, I've heard some rumours online that Warner Butchers are going to double down and broadcast an
extended version of the Whedon cut. If that were the case, it goes to show how much contempt they have for their own audience and fan base.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 27 Nov 2018, 12:17
I get it. It really sucks what they did with JL. I was severely pissed after Raimi was booted from Spider-Man. My anger over the JL situation was like a raging volcano. They should've released the Snyder version. But instead, they lied to our faces and screwed over a misunderstood genius (Snyder). I feel that pain as much as anybody. But one year, five years or even ten years from now, what's the difference? The Batman movie brand is eventually going to continue after this episode. Just as Batman Begins followed Batman and Robin eight years later. The Reeves movie is being made whether we like it or not, and while I am burned, I'm still a Batman fan. I'm open to seeing what he offers. Batman has only ever been my main interest with the DC movie brand. The Aquaman, Flash, etc side of things can bomb for all I care. I liked the dynamic of Batman interacting with them, but those days are over. As for Reeves, I'll wait to see what happens.
After giving this more thought, I have to revisit your post again.
Those two examples you used to compare the disappointment over what happened to JL are a false equivalence. Spider-Man 4 never even got made, nor did Sam Raimi ever found himself in a position where all of the footage he filmed were suddenly reshot or discarded completely. At least Sony were upfront with their intentions to reboot Spider-Man back in 2010-11. As a matter of fact, compared to those hacks at Warner, you have to give Sony props for being transparent and conducting business far more professionally. Also, it's debatable that Sony actually booted Raimi, but that's for another topic.
The same thing goes for B&R. Love or hate that movie, at least Warner were honest with what kind of movie they were making back then. This isn't like they hired Tim Burton to direct, but then they hijacked his work and turned it into a campy Joel Schumacher movie - while lying to everybody about the circumstances surrounding the original director's departure. For better or worse, B&R was made exactly how it was intended. It is what it is.
The same cannot be said for JL. Now that the Snyder cut is confirmed to exist and more details are coming to light, Warner are still ignoring calls for it to be released. You see, it's one thing to scrap your original movie plans, such as an Affleck Batman solo movie. I can accept that happens all the time in Hollywood, it happened to Spider-Man many times i.e. Spider-Man 4 and Sinister Six. But when a studio has a cut of a movie that already exists and should've been released in the first place, yet still ignores demands from fans AND people involved in the production to this day, that is unacceptable. I guarantee you Warner would earn some goodwill back if they do the right thing and put the movie out there, but they choose not to. All of this tells me is they have no respect for anybody, whether its fans, creatives or actors, and doesn't give me any confidence they won't sabotage their productions ever again. Who is to say they won't sabotage another DC movie if it doesn't test well among audiences? My only hope is the next time they do that, they won't take advantage of somebody's personal tragedy and slap his or her name on the credits.
The longer this goes on, the more of an impression I get that Warner deliberately planned to write off JL and throw Snyder under the bus, even though he was coping with personal tragedy. It's disgusting. If they really had lost confidence in his vision for JL then they should've postponed the film's production as soon as BvS was released and remove him. Yes, it would still upset the loyal MOS and BvS fans, but it would've been a lot more business-oriented and more professional, than the disgraceful course of action they took.
Matt Reeves is making his movie, but so what? I don't have to watch it. I don't even have to acknowledge it. You can do so if you wish, but understand this, you will only enable Warner's bad corporate behaviour. You might not like what I said, but that's the truth. I'm a Batman fan too, but it doesn't make me less of a fan if I don't want to support any more movies from a greedy, disrespectful company. When consumer trust is broken, don't get upset if fans stop buying the product. The only DC movie I want now is the real version of JL. If they're not going to put that out, I'm not going to let those thieves at Warner manipulate my fandom ever again.
There is now a Wikipedia page dedicated to the Snyder cut, the upcoming Black Suit Edition fan edit and details of scrapped JL sequel plans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Versions_of_Justice_League
This particular quote under the Criticism & Debate section explaining why the original version of JL won't come out caught my eye.
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Brooks Barnes, Hollywood reporter for The New York Times theorizes that the "Snyder Cut" will never be released due to a mix of the high cost to finish the project and corporate ego. He elaborated: "The ego kind of comes in where, like, no studio will ever put itself in a position of looking like they made the wrong decision. Let's just say it was finished, they put it out, everyone loves it, 'Oh my God, this should have been the movie.' That puts jobs at risk at the high level. Right? And so right there, it's not happening."
For the umpteenth time, this is the reason why I won't be supporting any more Warner movies from now on. I'm not going to pay money that help these bastards keep their jobs. f*** them. And if anybody out there is going to hold it against me for that for whatever reason, well quite frankly, f*** YOU TOO.
Putting that little outburst aside, I remember hearing about Snyder paying tribute to the fans who donated to charity earlier this year with a gift. Yet again, this is taken from the Wikipedia page:
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In January 2019, Zack Snyder released a t-shirt as a reward for donating to a crowdfunding campaign with all proceeds going toward the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention. His design, which resembles the Kabbalah tree of life, is said to contain the plot of his five-film arc including a planned Justice League trilogy within a mosaic of cryptic symbols and phrases. The reverse side of the shirt has a quote from Joseph Campbell, American literature professor famed for his creation of the Hero's journey, which reads: "All the gods, all the heavens, all the hells, are within you.
This is what the shirt looks like.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dwlns8JUwAAAcgs.jpg)
And here is a better close-up of the front of the shirt's design.
(https://www.dcworld.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Screenshot-2019-06-21-at-20.57.06.png)
Fabian Wagner took to Instagram again to reveal the scene where Bruce shaves his face at his private jet was also drastically reshot.
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Beautiful set by @ptatopoulos of the original Wayne jet. Loved shooting it. Dark, moody and very Snyder
Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/B0u9RMbhsWh/
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBJ3mTfXYAA7jIB.jpg)
Compare that to what we saw in the theatrical version.
(https://i0.wp.com/caps.pictures/201/7-justiceleague/full/justice-league-movie-screencaps.com-1601.jpg?strip=all)
Why? Among a lot of things that leaves fans begging to question why bother tampering with what you got, was it really important to spend more money just to add a few more lights to that scene? What, did they really think the audience are so stupid that any dim lighting alone could trigger them into thinking the scene would be too "dark and gritty"? Who knows, judging by the utter stupidity of mass audiences, it's probably true.
Meanwhile, here's another leaked image of non-CGI Superman that was apparently released awhile ago.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9d/52/52/9d525290f46f3a36e67ad8a8f94c2229.jpg)
Compare that to the CGI version in the theatrical version underneath, you can't help but ask "why" yet again. What could Superman have said that warranted the moment needing to be reshot? Was reshooting it with "I'm also a big fan of justice" really that necessary?
By the way, here's a picture of Cavill's moustache without the CGI.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAzjdLxX4AAlpJ8.jpg)
As you can see, they added those motion capture spots all over his face and neck. The end result still results a rubbery-looking face. Granted, it's not quite as bad as his poorly rendered cheeks in the opening cam footage scene, but it still goes to show how lazy and phoned in these reshoots were.
Just release the intended cut already, you hacks.
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Interesting that his shirt still has the hole in it from Doomsday's bone spike. I don't recall that being included in the theatrical cut of the film. Could be wrong though.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 8 Aug 2019, 15:32
Interesting that his shirt still has the hole in it from Doomsday's bone spike.
The spike penetrating Superman's chest and coming out the other side is visually shocking, but I do think it's excessive in terms of a believable resurrection. Internal organs would be severely damaged, if not destroyed. The spike stab pushes things into outright death territory in my opinion, rather than standby mode, even though we're shown energy radiating off the coffin at the end. We have the issue of how a gaping hole is healed. Even Superman can't come back if his organs are obliterated.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri, 9 Aug 2019, 11:11
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 8 Aug 2019, 15:32
Interesting that his shirt still has the hole in it from Doomsday's bone spike.
The spike penetrating Superman's chest and coming out the other side is visually shocking, but I do think it's excessive in terms of a believable resurrection. Internal organs would be severely damaged, if not destroyed. The spike stab pushes things into outright death territory in my opinion, rather than standby mode, even though we're shown energy radiating off the coffin at the end. We have the issue of how a gaping hole is healed. Even Superman can't come back if his organs are obliterated.
I can excuse the dirt floating above the coffin as symbolizing Superman's spirit departing into the afterlife.
From there, the damage done to Superman's body is extensive. But if Mother Box has the ability to raise Superman back to life, I don't think it's a stretch that Mother Box can also heal the damage done to his body by the nuke, the Kryptonite, Doomsday's bone spike, etc.
Jason Momoa uploaded this video of his visit with the Snyders, and paying tribute to Zack for helping him land the Aquaman role, as well as thanking him for showing the Snyder cut.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B1U1rmigdlY/
You have to admire Momoa's loyalty and respect for a director who gets so harshly maligned. Him and Ray Fisher have been the most vocal supporters out of the JL cast. But watch how the rest of the internet will try its hardest to disregard Momoa's words about the Snyder cut, and still insist it doesn't exist.
The Snyder cut community got together and funded a couple of electronic billboards advertising at New York Times Square for this NYCC.
https://youtu.be/91t4zpzMKGg
The support did not go unnoticed by Snyder.
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Here are two pictures of Scott Snyder (no relation) and Rob Liefeld showing their support while at NYCC. Judging from his Twitter account, he has been pro-Snyder cut for quite a while.
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A couple of days earlier, Liefeld even inserted the hashtag as an out of place in-joke for his Brigade comic.
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The American Foundation for Suicide Prevention has shared this touching blog post by Snyder cut fan Mick Doyle, following the community's efforts in donating over $110,000 for suicide prevention.
https://afsp.org/we-can-be-heroes-superhero-fans-take-up-the-fight-for-suicide-prevention/
Once again, the director himself shows his appreciation:
Quote from: Zack Snyder
I'm honored to have such amazing fans. #afsp
https://twitter.com/ZackSnyder/status/1182816764784234501
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Sat, 12 Oct 2019, 08:54
Quote from: Zack Snyder
I'm honored to have such amazing fans. #afsp
https://twitter.com/ZackSnyder/status/1182816764784234501
As you know, this is the same Zack Snyder who got flamed right off Twitter by a big bunch of jerks.
If the only positive thing to come out of this is Snyder learning that he has fans and they love his work, I'd actually be okay with it if we never saw the Snyder cut. The man deserved better than the Twitter bombardments he was subjected to and I'm glad he's finally getting it. Thanks for posting that, man.
Some members of the Snyder cut fan community produced this rap anthem, mixing it together Hans Zimmer's score.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ3iuBBASkA
Last week, Momoa confirmed once again that he has seen the Snyder cut, during an interview with MTV News.
https://youtu.be/uXJKHshmSIs
You have to love his dig at the suggestion the cut is complete. (https://www.batman-online.com/forum/Themes/default/images/post/thumbup.gif)
The Snyder cut movement unleashed a banner above the sky to send a message to new WB CEO Ann Sarnoff.
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Read the link velow to find out nore:
https://amp.cinemablend.com/news/2487239/the-snyder-cut-movement-has-a-crazy-plan-to-raise-awareness-yes-a-plane-is-involved
The Snyder cut movement donated money to display electronic billboards during an FA Cup soccer match in England.
Source: https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/01/05/arts/05reuters-film-justiceleague-fa-cup.html
Here are some of the pictures below, including Snyder showing his appreciation.
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lol, wow.