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This is the only Marvel movie I'm looking forward.

It looks promising, but I could've without the hip hop music for the trailer. Hopefully this movie will be returning to the same tone as The Winter Soldier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjDjIWPwcPU

It's probably not going to make much of a difference but if that's what they want to do, I say full steam ahead. Sending spoilers to 'Marvel fanboys' is a dick move but I can't help but laugh at how determined these devils are.

I particularly like their third hashtag.

Ultimately...they're just being honest about their practices because the site can be manipulated. Surely these RT percentages are not completely accurate with bias dripping off certain critics. In any case, I won't be seeing the movie, so I don't really care either way.

That third hashtag though.

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oh good the fanboys are still being immature.
The marvel fans aren't the only ones crapping on the DCEU, Snyder haters, Whedon haters, and Nolanites all have a vested interest in the failure of the DCEU.

I just shake my head and feel sorry for people who take time out of their lives to manipulate rotten tomato or IMDB scores.

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DC Fans Helping Bronx Schoolchildren See Marvel's 'Black Panther'

While one group of DC fans are planning to sabotage the audience score for Marvel's Black Panther on Rotten Tomatoes, another group of DC fans are coming together to raise money for schoolchildren in the Bronx to have the opportunity to see Marvel's standalone film centered on the King of Wakanda.

DC fans Sheraz Farooqi and Zayyan Farooqi started the GoFundMe page as part of #TheBlackPantherChallenge which Frederick Joseph initiated in an effort to help children in Harlem see the Black Panther film. Sheraz and Zayyan are calling for all comic book fans to come together to help 300 Middle School children of color in Bronx, New York catch a theatrical screening of a superhero film that allows them to see themselves as the main hero.

Almost 100 campaigns across the nation as well as around the world have already raised $100,000 to help children see the film when it hits theaters in just over two weeks. You can check out Sheraz and Zayyan GoFundMe page here.

Source: https://heroichollywood.com/dc-schoolchildren-marvels-black-panther/

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Quote from: riddler on Fri,  2 Feb  2018, 23:11
I just shake my head and feel sorry for people who take time out of their lives to manipulate rotten tomato or IMDB scores.

I stated this probably isn't going to make much of a difference, therefore I agree with the thought that this is a waste of time. But I don't know why should this anger me, because as I also stated, they're just being outright honest about their practises to the point people find it shocking/offensive. These people aren't the first and they're not the last to do this. I think Rotten Tomatoes as a website has tarnished film criticism, and that's a view shared by director Brett Ratner and Martin Scorsese. Perhaps this Black Panther story will apply the microscope to the broader issue?

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Smithey's rotten review doesn't seem to be indicative of what he actually thought of the movie, but rather what he thought about the hype it was getting. He didn't think it deserved to be the best-reviewed movie on Rotten Tomatoes, and then decided to manipulate the system to take the achievement away from the film. So...not any different to what these DC fans are doing with Black Panther. If you shake your head at these DC fans, shake your head at the likes of Smithey as well.

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Quote from: riddler on Fri,  2 Feb  2018, 23:11
I just shake my head and feel sorry for people who take time out of their lives to manipulate rotten tomato or IMDB scores.

I stated this probably isn't going to make much of a difference, therefore I agree with the thought that this is a waste of time. But I don't know why should this anger me, because as I also stated, they're just being outright honest about their practises to the point people find it shocking/offensive. These people aren't the first and they're not the last to do this. I think Rotten Tomatoes as a website has tarnished film criticism, and that's a view shared by director Brett Ratner and Martin Scorsese. Perhaps this Black Panther story will apply the microscope to the broader issue?

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Smithey's rotten review doesn't seem to be indicative of what he actually thought of the movie, but rather what he thought about the hype it was getting. He didn't think it deserved to be the best-reviewed movie on Rotten Tomatoes, and then decided to manipulate the system to take the achievement away from the film. So...not any different to what these DC fans are doing with Black Panther. If you shake your head at these DC fans, shake your head at the likes of Smithey as well.

As much as I want to, what Smithey is doing isn't quite as bad; he's giving a movie a weaker review than he otherwise would have because he feels it's overrated. I admit to doing something similar on the IMDB: if I feel a film is heavily underrated or overrated, I will adjust my vote by one point; so for instance a film I'd normally rate a 7, I might rate a 6 or 8 depending on its perception. There's a big difference between that and voting on a film you haven't seen before with the purpose of manipulating ratings which is what fanboys have been notorious for. Case in point: Dunkirk despite being out for less than a year has more IMDB votes than Citizen Kane which came out in 1941.

 ??? I don't believe this.

It appears that the people who started the anti-Black Panther on Rotten Tomatoes campaign are trolls who are trying to make Marvel detractors look bad.

Source: https://twitter.com/dcolympus/status/959894703071219712

Quote from: riddler on Sat,  3 Feb  2018, 19:44
As much as I want to, what Smithey is doing isn't quite as bad; he's giving a movie a weaker review than he otherwise would have because he feels it's overrated.

Which shouldn't be done. He didn't properly review the film but the reputation it had. RT has changed the way reviewers look at scoring films. This Black Panther incident seems to be the work of trolls, but I maintain their message was just blatantly honest. This crap does happen...and it's going to keep happening. We only knew about Smithey because he broadcasted it via Twitter. We only knew about the sham Black Panther campaign because they deliberately made it public. Not everyone is going to do that. And I will add this: if DCEU fans were incorrectly grilled for this 'disgusting behavior' (which is happening and will keep happening) are they going to apologize? Probably not. And if they do it'll be insincere and at the bottom of the page.

I watched Black Panther over the weekend. While I do think it's highly overrated by the critics, it was still a decent movie, and the first MCU movie I enjoyed since Doctor Strange.

Unlike last year's movies, the jokes in this film is few and far between, the tone is a much more dramatic, and the film is even more focused with some fascinating themes i.e. family, African diaspora, foreign aid. It does pull ideas from a James Bond movie too. It has its flaws, one that's particularly bugging me, but I'm not keen to dwell on them right now.

Worth watching at the cinema if you have nothing to do.

I saw it on opening day, and it was ok. Granted, I like the MCU(I know some of you hate it, but I enjoy them, and think they have a place in cinema), but I think it's on the lower end of the MCU movies. I don't get the overreaction to it, other than people talking about the political aspects that are outside of the movie itself. But even then, I've seen people on SHH or on twitter say how amazing the movie itself is, even outside of the political aspects. Maybe I'll try to find some posts, but someone over at SHH said that Killmonger's characterization was on par with films like Citizen Kane....yeah, I don't know about that. To me, the movie felt like your normal Marvel fare. It's fine, and I enjoyed it, but don't expect the second coming. it's just another solo-MCU movie. The hero goes through his journey, and fights another evil version of himself(ie, Iron Man vs Iron Monger, Hulk vs Abomination, Cap vs Winter Soldier, AntMan vs YellowJacket, etc).

This movie is doing insane business at the box office. It's only been out a few days and it's already crossed $400 million WW! I caught a screening earlier today. Here are a few thoughts quickly thrown together.

Firstly I've got to mention the hyperbole surrounding the political response. The movie is definitely being overhyped and overrated by the press. We saw this happen with Wonder Woman last year, and it's happening again now. That's not to say that Wonder Woman and Black Panther aren't good films, because I think they're both very enjoyable. But I don't believe either movie warrants the prestige the media is attributing them. So how good is Black Panther? It's pretty decent IMO, but not great. Ryan Coogler and Michael B. Jordan are proving to be one of the most interesting director-actor combos in Hollywood right now. I preferred their previous two collaborations – Fruitvale Station (2013) and Creed (2015) – over Black Panther, but all three films are strong in their own way.

Two criticisms I've levelled at previous MCU films is that many of them (but not all) lack memorable settings and threatening villains, but Black Panther rises above both of these issues. Wakanda is a great location and lends the story a strong sense of place. The best parts of the film are the sequences set in Africa; the further the plot strays from Wakanda, the less interesting I found it. There are two primary antagonists in the film: Klaw and Killmonger. Klaw is a dull, disposable bad guy in the tradition of the MCU's First Phase villains. Killmonger is a more layered adversary who has a personal connection to the hero and poses a genuine threat to him. I've admired Michael B. Jordan's acting since his time on Friday Night Lights, and Killmonger ranks alongside  Vulture as one of the MCU's more interesting recent cinematic heels. The first half of the movie focuses more on Klaw and features a few too many location jumps for my tastes. Aside from the world-building aspect, I found the first hour dramatically unengaging and only mildly diverting. The second half focuses more on Killmonger and takes place almost entirely in Wakanda. This is where the dramatic weight begins piling on and the movie really comes to life.

The quality of action is pretty disappointing. T'Challa is one of the best martial artists in the Marvel Universe and I loved his fight scenes in Civil War. I was hoping his first solo outing would showcase some more grounded CQC combat a la Daredevil, but the action is very CG-heavy and over-the-top. Certainly there's nothing here to rival the raw intensity of the boxing matches in Coogler's previous film. Black Panther's energy-absorbent suit renders him practically invincible, which undermines the sense of threat posed by anyone other than Killmonger. I also thought the quality of some of the CGI was very poor. Especially for a movie with a production budget of $200 million. But this is precisely the level of action I've come to expect from the MCU's cinematic offerings, so I can't say I'm too shocked. However I did enjoy the jungle fight in the film's opening act. That sequence reminded me a little of Lee Falk's Phantom comics (and the 1996 movie with Billy Zane).

Colourful visuals abound and the costumes and production design are beautiful. The African aesthetic helps distinguish this from other more generic-looking superhero fare and further characterises the movie's unique visual identity. The acting is solid across the board and I liked Chadwick Boseman's understated performance in the title role. T'Challa is not the most interesting or amusing hero in the MCU, but he possesses a quiet dignity that endears him to the viewer. He sustains scars, haemorrhages father figures and has his core values undermined throughout the story. He's got more in common with Steve Rogers than he does with Tony Stark, Star-Lord or Peter Parker. And in a cinematic universe that's overflowing with wise ass heroes, it's nice to see a more serious lead take the spotlight for a change. But while I liked T'Challa and Killmonger, I do think the movie suffers from a few too many supporting characters. There just isn't enough space in its 2-hour runtime to develop them all properly. Hopefully the next film will focus more on the Wakandan mythology and we'll get to know some of the supporting players a bit better.

That's more or less all I have to say about Black Panther. It's not the masterpiece some are claiming, but it is an entertaining film. The movie is rife with racial and political commentary. There's a lot to be said on that subject, but I won't bother getting into it right now. What I would say is that the political subtext is not as preachy or aggressive as some quarters are making it out to be, so don't let it put you off seeing the movie.

Quote from: Travesty on Mon, 19 Feb  2018, 20:56
someone over at SHH said that Killmonger's characterization was on par with films like Citizen Kane....yeah, I don't know about that.

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Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Mon, 19 Feb  2018, 11:54
While I do think it's highly overrated by the critics, it was still a decent movie
It has its flaws, one that's particularly bugging me, but I'm not keen to dwell on them right now.

Quote from: Travesty on Mon, 19 Feb  2018, 20:56
I saw it on opening day, and it was ok.
I think it's on the lower end of the MCU movies.
I don't get the overreaction to it
To me, the movie felt like your normal Marvel fare. It's fine, and I enjoyed it, but don't expect the second coming.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Mon, 19 Feb  2018, 21:50
The movie is definitely being overhyped and overrated by the press.
But I don't believe either movie warrants the prestige the media is attributing them.
Aside from the world-building aspect, I found the first hour dramatically unengaging and only mildly diverting.
The quality of action is pretty disappointing.
I also thought the quality of some of the CGI was very poor.

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Quote from: Travesty on Mon, 19 Feb  2018, 20:56
someone over at SHH said that Killmonger's characterization was on par with films like Citizen Kane....yeah, I don't know about that.

Not at all surprising considering Super Hero Hype attracts the most delusional sheep going around the 'net. God, I can't stand those people.

While I'm at it, Twitter can go to hell too. Every time I take a peak on the trends surrounding a blockbuster movie, you get plenty of these bandwagoners, such as the pathetic bloggers who write for entertainment or second-rate pop culture websites, that are just cheerleading certain films mainly because of their political agenda. I'm seeing plenty of people jumped on the Wonder Woman bandwagon, only to go against in favour of Black Panther now. These people aren't fans of films at all. They're either shills, or as I said before, they will only prop up a film if it suits their ideological agenda.

The supposed 'adults' who perpetuate this Marvel vs DC rubbish are the worst. I thought the Nolanites were an extreme case of fanboys, but after seeing how some MCU fans behave on Twitter, I've come to realise fanboys care more about hype than the enjoyment of the films they proclaim to love. Some of the crap I've read from the Marvel fans on Twitter have made me embarrassed to be an MCU fan. Pitiful.

Quote from: Travesty on Mon, 19 Feb  2018, 20:56
To me, the movie felt like your normal Marvel fare. It's fine, and I enjoyed it, but don't expect the second coming. it's just another solo-MCU movie.

I don't consider it a favourite of mine either, but I got to admit, there is a lot of creative cinematographic imagery here that makes it memorable. The scenes where T'Challa and Killmonger go through a ritual where they ingest a herb and have a dream of speaking to their fathers feels like something you'd see in a DCEU film. T'Challa's dream in particular. BP isn't in my top five favs, but it's definitely high and above GOTG2 and Homecoming, which I really didn't like at all. Didn't bother watching Ragnarok, that looked rubbish.

Quote from: Travesty on Mon, 19 Feb  2018, 20:56
The hero goes through his journey, and fights another evil version of himself(ie, Iron Man vs Iron Monger, Hulk vs Abomination, Cap vs Winter Soldier, AntMan vs YellowJacket, etc).

Yes, this is definitely part of the Marvel formula that a lot of people have begun to criticise nowadays, and it's hard to argue against it. Usually, this parallel between the hero and the villain occurs in the first solo film; Doctor Strange vs Kaecillius is another example. I don't necessarily mind it, but I can't deny that it gets repetitive, and lacks imagination. But I'll cut Cap and Bucky some slack because Rogers trying to save his friend, the only remnant left from his past other than the terminally ill Peggy Carter.

Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Tue, 20 Feb  2018, 11:23


Yes, this is definitely part of the Marvel formula that a lot of people have begun to criticise nowadays, and it's hard to argue against it. Usually, this parallel between the hero and the villain occurs in the first solo film; Doctor Strange vs Kaecillius is another example. I'm don't necessarily mind it, but I can't deny that it gets repetitive, and lacks imagination. But I'll cut Cap and Bucky some slack because Rogers trying to save his friend, the only remnant left from his past other than the terminally ill Peggy Carter.

To be fair though, just about every super hero fights villains who parallel themselves: Batman has Catwoman (and Manbat), Superman has Bizarro and Zod, Flash has Zoom and the reverse flash, the Green Lantern has the Yellow, Black, Red, and Orange lanterns etc. Black Panther has another one in the comics: The American Panther who has similar skills but is a racist and targets criminal minorities.

Quote from: riddler on Tue, 20 Feb  2018, 16:55
To be fair though, just about every super hero fights villains who parallel themselves: Batman has Catwoman (and Manbat), Superman has Bizarro and Zod, Flash has Zoom and the reverse flash, the Green Lantern has the Yellow, Black, Red, and Orange lanterns etc. Black Panther has another one in the comics: The American Panther who has similar skills but is a racist and targets criminal minorities.

That may be true, but you got to admit that the MCU has used this parallel a lot in a lot of their solo films. With that said, fair point about Superman and Zod. Man of Steel does the same thing too.

If you didn't think Rotten Tomatoes was bad enough, they just ranked BP as the top movie of all time. And this is the All Time list. Not best CBM, or best MCU movie, or best movie of 2018, it's #1 in the All Time list. It beat out Citizen Kane, Godfather, etc. lol

The hype for this movie is now at a comical level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc-QGwvz03Y

Quote from: Travesty on Thu, 22 Feb  2018, 00:09
If you didn't think Rotten Tomatoes was bad enough, they just ranked BP as the top movie of all time. And this is the All Time list. Not best CBM, or best MCU movie, or best movie of 2018, it's #1 in the All Time list. It beat out Citizen Kane, Godfather, etc. lol

The hype for this movie is now at a comical level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc-QGwvz03Y

I knew the reaction to this film would be overblown, but this is really something else.

The majority of reviewers wanted the film to be a raging success. Technically, they NEEDED this film to be a raging success. Black Panther went beyond a movie - it's largely a vehicle for their crusade. Mix that attitude in with a different type of pressure. A hyperbolically positive Black Panther review is virtue signalling advertisement.

Effectively, any criticism towards the film would be considered racism (that's why I posted that GIF on page two.) Racist is the most overused and abused word, but it's what people fear being called. It's their debate ender. These people are trying to 'out woke' each other. It's like a sport. I saw someone on Twitter legitimately asking if they should see the film the week after so they don't suck the 'black joy' out of the room.

Seriously? Others are saying black people should start barking at white people if they 'speak out of turn'. 

Critics have the choice to do one of three things:

1. Be quiet. Don't anger the bully or become a target.
2. Be loud. Call out the bully and get bullied.
3. Join the bully. Earn Brownie points.

If Black Panther has the #1 movie OF ALL TIME tag, it shows how far these people are willing to go.

Wakanda is not real, and nor is Gotham City. However Wakanda is being used as a source of self esteem and pride...based on nothing. Go to YouTube and search for 'Africans Have Never Built a Major Enduring City in 3,000 Years'. James David Manning explains perfectly the reality of the situation. Movies are escapism, but the reality is never going to change unless home truths are accepted. It's all starts there.

Quote from: Travesty on Thu, 22 Feb  2018, 00:09
If you didn't think Rotten Tomatoes was bad enough, they just ranked BP as the top movie of all time. And this is the All Time list. Not best CBM, or best MCU movie, or best movie of 2018, it's #1 in the All Time list. It beat out Citizen Kane, Godfather, etc. lol

Apparently Get Out (2017) is also in the top five. Everyone I've discussed that film has with has echoed my own response – what was all the fuss about? It's a decent horror comedy with an intriguing setup, some good performances and sharp political subtext. But the payoff is utterly preposterous. (SPOILERS for Get Out) A community of affluent white people have perfected the science of brain transplants and are transferring their consciousness to black people's bodies in order to protract their lives and experience a more racially-hip existence (end SPOILERS). It works if you view it as an absurdist comedy, but if you're viewing it as serious commentary it only really functions on a subtextual/thematic level. Narratively, the final act is just too silly to take seriously. It's still a good film. But one of the top five ever made? I think not.

It's no secret that journalists pander to the prejudices of their readers, and for the majority those prejudices are aligned towards one particular end of the political spectrum. I understand that they want to support minority filmmakers and champion their work. But they've got to be more subtle about it than this. It's laughable if every time a female-led movie comes out directed by a woman, or a film with a non-white lead helmed by a non-white filmmaker, the press instantly proclaims it an all-time classic. Such hyperbolic plaudits also undermine genuine praise to the point where anyone who likes the film is suspected of having an agenda. I honestly think Get Out and Black Panther are both decent movies. I just don't think either of them is a great film on a par with The Third Man or Citizen Kane.

Having said all this, I can understand why people are happy to see this movie doing so well. I'm not emotionally invested in the film's success myself, but I do think it's nice that there's a family-friendly superhero on the big screen that black kids can more easily identify with. Black Panther is not, as some have erroneously claimed, the first black superhero movie. But the previous CMBs headlined by black heroes tended to be either A) crap or B) good but unsuitable for children (e.g. the first two Blade films). The new Black Panther film is good and contains nothing too unwholesome to stop little boys and girls from going to see it. Plus it's made on a much bigger scale than any previous black superhero film and has an expansive and imaginative mythology comparable to that of Superman or Wonder Woman. So while I don't think it's the watershed moment in American history that some are claiming, I do appreciate that it's an important cultural event for many people.

I'm also glad they decided to adapt a character that is intrinsically black and always has been, as opposed to taking a white character and minoritizing him/her for the sake of political correctness. Hopefully Hollywood and the comic industry will learn a lesson from this. Why make a white hero black when you can take a pre-existing black hero and build him up to the equal status of a white hero? It's the same question I'd pose regarding the recent trend for gender-swapped remakes: why take a male character and make him female when you can create an original female character from scratch?  Marvel Studios handled this the right way and now they're reaping the rewards. I suspect this movie is going to elevate Black Panther to A-list status the way Iron Man (2008) did for Tony Stark. Don't be surprised if the Black Panther graphic novels are displayed more prominently in book stores from now on, or if a new animated series or videogame is announced in the near future.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 22 Feb  2018, 02:48The majority of reviewers wanted the film to be a raging success. Technically, they NEEDED this film to be a raging success. Black Panther went beyond a movie - it's largely a vehicle for their crusade. Mix that attitude in with a different type of pressure. A hyperbolically positive Black Panther review is virtue signalling advertisement.

Effectively, any criticism towards the film would be considered racism (that's why I posted that GIF on page two.) Racist is the most overused and abused word, but it's what people fear being called. It's their debate ender. These people are trying to 'out woke' each other. It's like a sport. I saw someone on Twitter legitimately asking if they should see the film the week after so they don't suck the 'black joy' out of the room.

I saw that Tweet too. I wish I could say that woman was joking, but I fear she was in earnest.

The ad hominem defence mechanism is one that's become troublingly common in recent years. Instead of refuting a criticism, respond by calling the other person a racist, a misogynist or a hypocrite. That way you undermine their credibility without having to engage with the argument they were actually making. It's a fallacious line of reasoning. Ok, so what if the other person is a racist, a misogynist or a hypocrite? That doesn't automatically mean the specific point they're making in this instance is invalid. If it is wrong, point out why. By ignoring their argument and attacking them on a personal level, you're tacitly acknowledging the validity of their argument.

A good example of this is the way Sony kept calling critics of the Ghostbusters remake misogynists. They never once addressed the multitude of non-misogynistic criticisms fans levelled at the movie. The end result was that the film flopped and cost the studio millions of dollars. Pandering to identity politics is a great marketing tool for getting the press on your side, but it's a lousy strategy for counteracting consumer resistance. It entails making the consumer the bad guy instead of winning them over. And an embittered fan base is not going to change its mind just because a filmmaker accuses them of racism or misogyny. If recent history has shown us anything, it's that fans are likely to double down on their hate when a studio deploys shaming tactics against them.

I can't say I've seen Disney or Marvel adopt this strategy with regards to Black Panther, and I certainly haven't seen Ryan Coogler use it. I have read one or two interviews with Coogler where journalists were clearly baiting him on the matter, but he tactfully sidestepped the issue. I have, unfortunately, seen a lot of people on social media use the racism card against people who don't like the film. What happened to the good old days when two people with opposing viewpoints could enter into a respectful dialogue without calling each other names?

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 22 Feb  2018, 20:49
A good example of this is the way Sony kept calling critics of the Ghostbusters remake misogynists. They never once addressed the multitude of non-misogynistic criticisms fans levelled at the movie. The end result was that the film flopped and cost the studio millions of dollars. Pandering to identity politics is a great marketing tool for getting the press on your side, but it's a lousy strategy for counteracting consumer resistance. It entails making the consumer the bad guy instead of winning them over. And an embittered fan base is not going to change its mind just because a filmmaker accuses them of racism or misogyny. If recent history has shown us anything, it's that fans are likely to double down on their hate when a studio deploys shaming tactics against them.

Good points.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 22 Feb  2018, 20:49
I have, unfortunately, seen a lot of people on social media use the racism card against people who don't like the film.

I've seen quite a lot of this, too. This is just my opinion, so anyone is free to say it's nonsense. But I really do think critics felt strong-armed into giving very positive reviews to Black Panther. If they genuinely loved it, then that's great. But greatest movie of all time status really raises my suspicions. How can it not?

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 22 Feb  2018, 20:49
What happened to the good old days when two people with opposing viewpoints could enter into a respectful dialogue without calling each other names?

My simple viewpoint is 'see something, say something'. That's going to draw fire from the other side (point two on my three choices for critics/people in general). But I don't like the alternative of being silent. I'd like to always have a civil debate about these issues, like we're having now. But sadly, it's not always going to be the reality. I always think it's not necessarily the comment/action in question, but how we REACT.

Quote from: Travesty on Thu, 22 Feb  2018, 00:09
If you didn't think Rotten Tomatoes was bad enough, they just ranked BP as the top movie of all time. And this is the All Time list. Not best CBM, or best MCU movie, or best movie of 2018, it's #1 in the All Time list. It beat out Citizen Kane, Godfather, etc. lol

The hype for this movie is now at a comical level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc-QGwvz03Y

I won't watch the video because it comes from those pathetic shills known as Collider. Nonetheless, anybody who uses Rotten Tomatoes as indicator to measure popular consensus after this has no credibility to me. I liked BP, but come on! It's not THAT good!

I've seen some people on social media bragging about Okoye, one of the members of the Dora Milaje, and how she could take on Wonder Woman, even going far to say she was a better character.

I don't see how. Okoye was fine, but it's not like she had a hero's journey of her own or anything. The only conflict she has in BP is [SPOILER]strictly serving to Killmonger after he dethroned T'Challa because of patriotic loyalty, but even that gets resolved very quickly as soon as the Wakandan civil war begins [/END SPOILER]. It's just unnecessarily overpraising a fairly good side character, in my opinion.

Putting that aside, I did like her line "Guns. So primitive" during the Korea chase scene. That was clever.

So, it appears that BP has been nominated for three categories at the Golden Globes...including best motion picture drama. This is why I've never taken awards ceremonies seriously.

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Once again, I find BP to be a decent movie, and certainly the best in the MCU within the last two years. But it's not a masterpiece the media made it out to be. There's no need to overhype something decent to be greater than what it actually is.

Awhile ago, this deleted scene was released online.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BweDs1eXhVY

I don't buy Ryan Coogler's excuse that the scene didn't work in the film. I always thought W'Kabi betraying T'Challa and pleading his allegiance to Killmonger was too much of a plot convenience, but this scene fills the gaps. I could be wrong on this other detail as I've only seen BP once, but I don't remember the film had established Ulysses Klau had murdered W'Kabi's parents when he stole the virbanium, so this scene would've definitely showed us what his motivations were.

It's a very strange decision by Coogler to cut this scene out.

The politicisation with this movie continues. It has been nominated for 12 categories at the Critics Choice Awards, including Best Supporting Actor for Michael B. Jordan as Killmonger and Best Picture.

https://marvelstudiosnews.com/2018/12/10/black-panther-nominated-for-12-critics-choice-awards-including-best-picture/

At this stage, I wouldn't be surprised if the movie gets overblown Oscar nominations, because the Oscars is nothing more than politised, agenda-driven rubbish as well.

Black Panther won 'Best Visual Effects' at the Critics' Choice Awards. According to the Broadcast Film Critics Association, these were the best visual effects of 2018:

That's the most amazingly idiotic thing I've heard all day.

And just to put that in perspective, I work in an industry which is starting to feel the effects of the US government's shutdown.

People who say that comics are killing cinema... yeah, I'm starting to agree with them. And now it looks like we can add "convincing visual effects" to the list of things they're killing.

Odds are if Superman Returns came out in today's world, either it would win some kind of Oscar or else Bryan Singer would get #MeToo'd, pick one.

Black Panther didn't win awards for being a technical marvel. Other factors were at play.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 14 Jan  2019, 23:35
Other factors were at play.

Careful. That's a slippery slope to saying the movie earned so much acclaim for something besides its merit.

We're not supposed to say that because feelings.

Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Sun, 23 Dec  2018, 02:05
At this stage, I wouldn't be surprised if the movie gets overblown Oscar nominations, because the Oscars is nothing more than politised, agenda-driven rubbish as well.

And that's exactly what has happened. It just got announced the movie has been nominated for seven Oscar categories...including Best Picture. The overblown praise for this movie is complete.

Source: https://deadline.com/2019/01/oscar-nominations-2019-academy-award-nominees-list-1202538943/

I posted the following news in the private random chit chat sub forum, but I'll also share it here as its relevant to this topic: Chadwick Boseman has tragically passed away.

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/chadwick-boseman-dead-dies-black-panther-1234753232/

Apparently, Marvel Studios announced plans to produce Black Panther 2 at last year's D23. It seemed they didn't know anything about Boseman's fight with cancer.  :(

This is now a very delicate situation. Whatever decision they will make with the character will undergo intense scrutiny. It could potentially be a lose-lose scenario as far as the fan base is concerned.

But putting that aside, it's such a sad way for Boseman to go, at such a young age. Despite my criticism of the media's overhypying, I still regard Black Panther as an entertaining film and by far one of the few Phase Three films worth watching. Boseman had such grace when playing T'Challa.

RIP

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQW4d5O5AGfjDq5ELICze7KDkzrsm3-hIS_Lg&usqp=CAU) 

Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Sat, 29 Aug  2020, 06:59But putting that aside, it's such a sad way for Boseman to go, at such a young age. Despite my criticism of the media's overhypying, I still regard Black Panther as an entertaining film and by far one of the few Phase Three films worth watching. Boseman had such grace when playing T'Challa.

RIP

I 100% concur with these words.

I woke up this morning to read about Chadwick Boseman's death at the young age of 43, and I'm utterly devastated by this news.  Although I don't think Black Panther reinvented the wheel as far as superhero films go, and so maybe a lot of its huge praise is attributable more to its cultural significance than its success as a piece of cinema, it is still, as The Laughing Fish says, a very worthwhile movie, and arguably one of the best within the entire MCU canon.

Irrespective of that, Boseman's performance as T'Challa across the four films in which he appeared, particularly his MCU debut in Captain America: Civil War, is one of the most humane and empathetic within the franchise, and I don't think it's hyperbole to say that Boseman is the closest any actor has to projecting the nobility, wisdom and compassion of a live-action superhero, since Christopher Reeve.

From all the interviews and red carpet footage I've seen of Boseman, he also came across as a likeable, humble and unassuming kind of guy.  It's a real blow to lose such a charismatic figure just as his career was kicking up such steam (he was brilliant in this year's Da Five Bloods, as another noble and heroic character).

Rest in Peace

I had no idea he was battling cancer. RIP

Way too young. :(

Quote from: Travesty on Sat, 29 Aug  2020, 14:20
I had no idea he was battling cancer. RIP

Way too young. :(

Most people didn't. This wasn't public info. He apparently kept it quiet and only a handful of family members and close friends knew.

This is very sad and unexpected news. If he'd passed away at the age of 63, I'd have said it was far too soon. But 43 is ridiculous. It's amazing to think he was visiting sick children in hospital while secretly battling cancer himself.


This news is going to break the hearts of a lot of children in the same way George Reeves' death did in the 1950s. :(

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sat, 29 Aug  2020, 18:00
This is very sad and unexpected news. If he'd passed away at the age of 63, I'd have said it was far too soon. But 43 is ridiculous. It's amazing to think he was visiting sick children in hospital while secretly battling cancer himself.

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This news is going to break the hearts of a lot of children in the same way George Reeves' death did in the 1950s. :(

This emotional video of Boseman discussing his meeting with two terminally ill kids who were anticipating to see Black Panther puts everything into perspective. Now we understand he could relate to what those kids were going through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J-D86wfxiE

He seemed like a genuine, humble guy. It's such a tragic loss.  :(