Knowing there's a few other Superman fans around these parts, how are you guys enjoying the Superman Rebirth titles thus far?
Personally, it feels like DC is actually publishing Superman comics again. Which gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling in my cold black heart. Needless to say, I wasn't a avid supporter of the New52 version of Superman, mainly due to the utter lack of consistent direction, in addition to other decisions made with the character. With Post-Crises Supes back, along with his wife Lois, and now their son Jon, it's actually making me anticipate every new issue to see where the story is going. Which, after years of growing increasingly apathetic, feels nice.
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I've been thinking about giving it a shot. Apparently it's getting nothing but rave reviews. But DC has really burned a lot of bridges with me. So I may wait for the trades for them.
I'll wait for the trade for this one as well.
Earth One is my favorite modern day Superman portrayal so far.
I find it miles better than the New52 incarnation, and the storytelling that went along with it, but that's just personal preference. If you're waiting for the trades, the Superman titled book seems to be the favorite with it's Superman/Jon/Eradicator story arc. However, Action Comics gives the reader the moment where Clark abandons his incognito methods, making his full return as SUPERMAN in Metropolis, and has to deal with a returning Post-Crisis/Pre-Flashpoint Doomsday.
If you're sticking with trades, then the 8 issue Lois and Clark title is highly recommended. It will answer some of the questions regarding Superman that a reader might have going into Rebirth.
Quote from: The Joker on Sun, 11 Sep 2016, 23:53I find it miles better than the New52 incarnation, and the storytelling that went along with it, but that's just personal preference. If you're waiting for the trades, the Superman titled book seems to be the favorite with it's Superman/Jon/Eradicator story arc. However, Action Comics gives the reader the moment where Clark abandons his incognito methods, making his full return as SUPERMAN in Metropolis, and has to deal with a returning Post-Crisis/Pre-Flashpoint Doomsday.
If you're sticking with trades, then the 8 issue Lois and Clark title is highly recommended. It will answer some of the questions regarding Superman that a reader might have going into Rebirth.
Thanks for the tips. The reading order was something I was planning to research.
So basically the L&C trade, then the Action: Rebirth trade and then the Superman: Rebirth trade. Is that about right?
Mind you, I'm not promising I'll actually do it. Just asking in case I decide to go for it.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Mon, 12 Sep 2016, 00:20
Thanks for the tips. The reading order was something I was planning to research.
So basically the L&C trade, then the Action: Rebirth trade and then the Superman: Rebirth trade. Is that about right?
That's absolutely correct.
Given that both story arcs are taking place simultaneously, it can be confusing for a reader walking in blindly. But yeah, Action is where Superman's full return to the public takes place.
QuoteMind you, I'm not promising I'll actually do it. Just asking in case I decide to go for it.
Of course. :)
Soooo looking forward to seeing Wally West reunite with Superman in an upcoming issue of Titans.
Issue #7 to be more precise.
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Considering both Wally and Superman have memories of Pre-New52, this should be a very interesting issue. Especially in the grand scheme of things in the ongoing story of REBIRTH as more and more Post-Crisis continuity is slowly being re-introduced into the still New52 world. Course there's also the ongoing the mystery of Mr. Oz and his connection to Superman, the 3 Joker's dilemma over in the Bat-books, and the DC heroes eventually confronting Dr. Manhattan, but so far, I'm very much enjoying the ride and build up to all those answers.
The new Superboy formally introduced.
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Interesting how Batman and Superman have been made fathers in recent times. It's not my preference, but it's not a deal breaker by any stretch of the imagination. When you have 75 years worth of history, you have to blow up the balloon in some fashion and try new things. It does add a new dimension to the characters. I warmed to Damien with time.
I can appreciate the fact that he's a commentary on Batman's very methods. Damien was raised under the LOS, and as such was a lot rougher and needed to be tamed. Batman had to scare him into showing respect, to make him a soldier who operated within his code. Which is rather interesting, and again contrasts against Superman who would be more loving and understanding as a parent.
Well, well, well. The April solicitations are in and it looks like the Man of Steel is finally breaking up all the blue since his formal re-introduction into the DCU with Rebirth!
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"Say Jim, that's a bad outfit!"
Although I didn't mind the blue boots, it's one of those things you know is purely a short-term deal. The return of the red trunks down the line (Action Comics #1000 maybe!?!) would be cool, but if not, I would be content with this look hanging around for the long haul.
It's a damn sight better than the New52 overly busy with lines, armor, and that goofy collar!
Also, with the aftermath of "Superman Reborn", we have this:
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Which may or may not suggest Superman gaining some of the New52 Superman's history. How this will be achieved, if at all, is pure speculation at this point. We know, since DC Rebirth began, that alot of the Post-Crisis/Pre-Flashpoint DCU history has been slowly but surely re-asserting itself. Even the Post-Crisis Doomsday returned, as opposed to the New52 version. In addition, the conclusion of Convergence & the Lois & Clark mini-series has also revealed that Crisis on Infinite Earths has been adverted. Which, as a major consequence in DC Comics lore, suggests there is currently no dividing line between Pre and Post crisis as it was for so many years. We've already seen Supes recount a Pre-Crisis adventure to Batman in the new TRINITY book who doesn't remember it at all (thanks Doc Manhattan!), so it appears as if that's the direction DC is going for. A Superman that is amalagated/reborn with every version of the character, and makes one ultimate Superman.
Jokedy Joke Joke...I have been reading the main Superman line as per your recommendation.
And you're right. This is the best Superman has been in the comics for years.
Why? Because it connects with the character's soul in a big way. Superman being a family man just WORKS. He gets to have a loving, close relationship with Lois. And he gets to be an understanding, friendly mentor to his son. The family dynamic gives the whole comic series a warm, feel good vibe and I really enjoy reading it. It's FUN.
Superman Rebirth is the best comic out there right now. Even better than Batman.
Glad to hear you're reading the books, TDK, and happy to hear you are thoroughly enjoying them as well. I wholeheartedly agree with your statements that the Superman Rebirth titles are nothing short of outstanding right now! For so many years of having a Superman line that seemed incredibly unfocused, creating publicity stunts, or simply going thru the motions, the Rebirth books in the Superman line have finally brought us a Superman that feels complete.
Like you, I'm a Batman guy as well, but you're absolutely right that Superman is currently besting Batman. Hell, I would even say Wonder Woman is better than Batman right now, but then again I am a Wonder Woman guy as well and writer Greg Rucka has done a wonderful job with that title. ;)
Indeedy do. After the great Morrison and Scott Snyder arcs, Batman Rebirth just doesn't reach those heights. It mostly feels cold and sterile to me - the opposite of what the Superman line is currently presenting.
I can see them running with the father/son/wife plotline for a long time. I think Superman being an inspirational figure to his young son is partly why this works. The son becomes the reader, in some respects. We experience his wonder and awe, but also learn from the big guy all about responsibility. What it means to have power, and what we should do with it. I like Earth One, but like this more.
Superman: American Alien is also a book people should check out if they haven't already. It's the origin story all over again, but it charts Clark's growth in a different way. It's really good. And once again...it's FUN. A real page turner.
If you're currently reading the Superman comics DC has been publishing since the Rebirth initiative, and haven't read the latest issue of Action Comics #976, then turn back NOW!!! As this post will most definitely contain SPOILERS!!!!
Ready?
Ok. Well as the story goes, and as Leonard Cohen would say, everybody knows, DC Comics now have a completely 'whole' Superman flying around Metropolis now.
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Cutting to the chase, during the SUPERMAN REBORN storyline, there was a mysterious Clark Kent walking around independent of Superman and his family, and it turns out to be none other than everyone's favorite 5th dimensional imp, Mr. Mxyzptlk, and he's decided that some erasure is in order. Mainly for Superman & Lois.
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However, while Jon/Superboy is alone in Mr Mxyzptlk's interdimensional limbo, he runs into none other than the poster child for the entire New52, collar and all, New52 Superman (along with New52 Lois).
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Unfortunately for Jon, they are NOT his parents, and initially believe that the kid has them mistaken for some other people, or that the kid just can't see straight.
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Luckily for Jon, he comes across two glowing blue orbs that are what remains of his parents, and with some Super-Fatherly advice, in addition to New52 Supes/Lois open enough to go along with the program, the two Supermen merge. Creating one Superman.
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Essentially, it's revealed that neither Supermen were really the 'true' Superman of the current DCU. Only two halves of the complete version. ala Superman Red/Blue. As a consequence of this merge, both histories have been integrated as one. Melding both realities into single characters who remember the events of both the Post-Crisis/Pre-Flashpoint DC universe and the events lived by the New 52 rebooted counterparts.
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The good news for Jon, is that he does get his parents back.
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And Superman is reborn.
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Essentially, the fabric of reality itself has been re-written with this merge. The DC universe is no longer the New 52 one, even though alot of Pre-Flashpoint history has been re-asserting itself, it's a done deal now. New52 Universe is over. Now? It's a hybrid of the Post-Crisis, Pre-Flashpoint universes, with possibly alot of Pre-Crisis thrown in as well. If the book Trinity proves correct with Superman's memories. Which may actually happen since Post-Infinite Crisis back in 2005, alot of Pre-Crisis history was suddenly back.
And you can bet, that with this event of the Kent's rewriting the history of the DCU, there's probably a big blue Doctor out there watching, and may not approve of such an action....
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Looks like SECRET ORIGIN is, for the most part, back in Superman's past.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGIeNJ_2E5k
A look how the DCU has changed since the merger.
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Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 16 Jan 2017, 03:29
Jokedy Joke Joke...I have been reading the main Superman line as per your recommendation.
And you're right. This is the best Superman has been in the comics for years.
Why? Because it connects with the character's soul in a big way. Superman being a family man just WORKS. He gets to have a loving, close relationship with Lois. And he gets to be an understanding, friendly mentor to his son. The family dynamic gives the whole comic series a warm, feel good vibe and I really enjoy reading it. It's FUN.
Superman Rebirth is the best comic out there right now. Even better than Batman.
The young child and father dynamic was fine while Jon was young because it provided a charming ambience. But look where it led: Jon Kent aged up and centre stage as the new Superman. Superman shouldn't be a mantle. There is only one, as the Death and Return arc makes clear. If it's not Kal-El I'm not interested. Time and time again Superman is sidelined or hijacked in some way. The Jar Jar Abrams movie will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 22 Apr 2021, 03:21The young child and father dynamic was fine while Jon was young because it provided a charming ambience. But look where it led: Jon Kent aged up and centre stage as the new Superman. Superman shouldn't be a mantle. There is only one, as the Death and Return arc makes clear. If it's not Kal-El I'm not interested. Time and time again Superman is sidelined or hijacked in some way. The Jar Jar Abrams movie will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
I must agree. I see Superman as a conceptual merging of the best of mankind and the best of Krypton. Kal-El is one extreme and Clark is on the other. Superman, then, is the spaces between them that reflect the best of both worlds.
And that's not something that can just get passed like a baton to the next guy.
I could sooner see Batman being a mantle that could get passed on. Because in a sense, Batman is a
tactic. But Superman is an ideal, a point of view that isn't rly fungible. Batman probably isn't fungible either, you understand, I'm just saying I can sooner tolerate Batman as an abstract identity that someone else can possess than I ever could for Superman.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 22 Apr 2021, 03:21
The young child and father dynamic was fine while Jon was young because it provided a charming ambience. But look where it led: Jon Kent aged up and centre stage as the new Superman. Superman shouldn't be a mantle. There is only one, as the Death and Return arc makes clear. If it's not Kal-El I'm not interested. Time and time again Superman is sidelined or hijacked in some way. The Jar Jar Abrams movie will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
Yes, in this day and age where literally
every long standing and popular hero has
legacy character's using some form of variation of their superhero identity name, it's unfortunate that this is what happened to Jon. As someone who's been out of the loop for some time now in current comics due to numerous reasons, it sure seems like the majority of readers much preferred the young version of Superman's son that was introduced in the 2016 "Lois and Clark" mini, and further expanded upon with "Super Sons". The kid was charming, and I liked the way he was introduced. Even growing up with Kon-El as Superboy, I was fully prepared to embrace Jon as the new Superboy for years to come. Course what followed was a straight up cluster. I haven't heard much good that came out of the ill conceived "Bendis is coming!" era (thought about reading it, but no. Not going to waste money collecting that, nor any interest in reading that either), which evidently did away with much of the good will Dan Jurgens and company had brought forth during the start of the Rebirth era, and DC Comics doubling down on their vision by having Jon
become Superman is just indicative of this mentality of pulling any sort of stunt to get a purchase these days.
Somebody can be inspired by the spirit of another but they cannot be them. It's going to be different. It's like the concept of cloning. You could create a perfect aesthetic replica of a long dead individual. They could have the same height, face and voice. But it's still somebody else. They don't have the same memories or life experiences. We are are all product of our environment and time period.
Legacy is part of Batman's very being because he's a mortal. He's going to die and that must be prepared for with a replacement soldier. That's why he mentors Dick Grayson, Tim Drake and others. His death or permanent retirement is just something I don't want to see play out. Keep it in the far future. I want Bruce alive in the suit doing his thing. While he's alive nobody else is going to compare to the real deal. He's the King. They can only evoke his spirit.
At the core Batman is a terrible thought. A boogeyman. ZSJL puts it well: "I heard about you. Didn't think you were real." And that's coming from Cyborg, who has the intellect and resources of a computer. Batman has the reputation of a supernatural being which gives a line of succession akin to The Phantom more credibility as a concept in comparison to Superman who doesn't wear a mask and appears frequently during the day.
"The new Superman, the son of Clark Kent and Lois Lane, is concerned about the environment, does not shy away from politics and will soon begin a romantic relationship with a male friend."
Yes, this is real.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 11 Oct 2021, 21:52
"The new Superman, the son of Clark Kent and Lois Lane, is concerned about the environment, does not shy away from politics and will soon begin a romantic relationship with a male friend."
Yes, this is real.
This industry doesn't want to be saved.
This industry doesn't deserve to be saved.
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This industry doesn't want to be saved.
This industry doesn't deserve to be saved.
They made Tim Drake bi too.
I don't care for this topic much, but this tweet by Kim Masters from THR on the Jon Kent news amuses me.
Quote from: Kim Masters
Who will tell Geoff Johns?
https://www.twitter.com/kimmasters/status/1447600094388252678
f*** him, I say.
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Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 11 Oct 2021, 21:52
"The new Superman, the son of Clark Kent and Lois Lane, is concerned about the environment, does not shy away from politics and will soon begin a romantic relationship with a male friend."
Yes, this is real.
This industry doesn't want to be saved.
This industry doesn't deserve to be saved.
It's no longer about the characters, but about hijacking franchises for liberal politics. A constant agenda everywhere, all the time, with no respite. Those who don't care about the culture wars are part of the problem.
Everything is culture. Look at what happens when there is zero pushback. No red line is established and the most absurd ideas become a reality, with the instigators being deadly serious about them. The culture war is over. The Left won. Entertainment, news, politics, law, health...the list goes on. They have the game sewn up, and have established what is 'socially acceptable'.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 11 Oct 2021, 21:52
"The new Superman, the son of Clark Kent and Lois Lane, is concerned about the environment, does not shy away from politics and will soon begin a romantic relationship with a male friend."
Yes, this is real.
I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and predict that his "male friend" won't be white.
What we'll probably see is a small number of political activists celebrating on Twitter, which certain journalists will cherry-pick as proof that fans and "the internet" are delighted by the news. The first woke issue will sell like hotcakes because the aforementioned activists will purchase multiple copies to try and make it a success. But since none of those activists are actual fans, they won't continue supporting the series. Thus sales will plummet to an all-time low, just like Doctor Who's viewing figures sank to the lowest in its 58 year history after the BBC capitulated to activists' demand for a female Doctor. Eventually DC will either double down on the series for ideological reasons and continue selling at a loss (see the Batwoman TV show for an example of something similar), or they'll have to acknowledge that the moribund sales figures reflect consumer resistance and admit defeat.
At any rate, the political ideologues running the US comic industry have descended beyond self parody. The Captain Sweden memes of yesteryear are now mainstream reality. I feel the same way about the decline and possible death of the US comic industry as I do about that of the Hollywood film industry.
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They're coming for children in order to normalize and convert. Sexuality, race and gender are not important, we are told. But apparently it's very important because it's being highlighted all the time. They throw this stuff in our face every single day. When we respond to this onslaught they say it's actually us who are obsessed with it. I'll say it again: look at what happens when you don't say no. The can gets kicked down a slippery slope to the point we are now. Audiences may reject these contaminations, but the woke assembly line isn't slowing down.
Dean Cain has weighed in on the situation:
Quote"They said it's a bold new direction, I say they're bandwagoning," the 55-year-old actor told Fox & Friends on Tuesday. "Robin just came out as bi — who's really shocked about that one? The new Captain America is gay. My daughter in [The CW series] Supergirl, where I played the father, was gay. So I don't think it's bold or brave or some crazy new direction. If they had done this 20 years ago, perhaps that would be bold or brave."
"Brave would be having him fighting for the rights of gay people in Iran where they'll throw you off a building for the offense of being gay," Cain continued. "They're talking about having him fight climate change and the deportation of refugees and he's dating a hacktivist — whatever a hactivist is. Why don't they have him fight the injustices that created the refugees whose deportation he's protesting? That would be brave, I'd read that. Or fighting for the rights of women to attend school and have the ability to work and live and boys not to be raped by men under the new warm and fuzzy Taliban — that would be brave. There's real evil in this world today, real corruption and government overreach, plenty of things to fight against. Human trafficking — real and actual slavery going on ... It'd be great to tackle those issues."
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/dean-cain-superman-bisexual-1235030248/
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Strange how old school Trek is fanboy comfort food these days. A time when the IDEA mattered a lot more than frivolous nonsense.
"Let them die" indeed, Captain.
Dean knows what's going on and displays true courage in standing up to the mob. It's definitely a bandwagon situation here, pretending to rage against the machine while it's abundantly clear they are the machine. Things that aren't problems are getting attention, while real problems sit idle. In entertainment media it's a game of spot the straight white male. Is homosexual Wokerman going to address the green economy, which equals rolling blackouts, empty grocery shelves, carbon rationing limits and fuel shortages, while China burns half the world's coal? Because that's a comic I'd read.
I came of age as a comic book fan in the Nineties. Back then, one of the big two publishers would kill a character off as a publicity stunt or because they had no idea what else to do with him or whatever else.
That doesn't happen anymore. These days, instead of killing a character off, they just write a character coming out when they're out of story ideas.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Wed, 13 Oct 2021, 11:51
That doesn't happen anymore. These days, instead of killing a character off, they just write a character coming out when they're out of story ideas.
They're still killing characters, but in a slow, painful way. They take treasured memories and distort them into ugly scars that you begin to wish never existed. If you love something strongly, you can also hate it with equal strength.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 13 Oct 2021, 12:01They're still killing characters, but in a slow, painful way. They take treasured memories and distort them into ugly scars that you begin to wish never existed. If you love something strongly, you can also hate it with equal strength.
That's becoming my benchmark for gauging someone else's fandom these days. You want to prove to me that you love comic books? Then tell me how much you hate them.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Tue, 12 Oct 2021, 22:21Strange how old school Trek is fanboy comfort food these days. A time when the IDEA mattered a lot more than frivolous nonsense.
"Let them die" indeed, Captain.
I'm currently up to season 5 of my re-watch of the entire Next Generation series, and earlier this week I got the Stardate Collection of movies I-X on Blu-ray for my birthday. I've already got those films on DVD, but I can't wait to revisit them all in HD during those dark evenings that lie between now and the end of the year. Classic Trek credits the viewer with intelligence, offering them interesting characters, well written scripts, strong imaginative stories and thought-provoking ideas. I doubt we'll be seeing such sophisticated sci-fi on TV again anytime soon.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 13 Oct 2021, 12:01They're still killing characters, but in a slow, painful way. They take treasured memories and distort them into ugly scars that you begin to wish never existed. If you love something strongly, you can also hate it with equal strength.
True. My hatred of modern Doctor Who, Star Wars, Star Trek, etc, is directly proportionate to how intensely I love the classic instalments of those franchises. I recently re-watched the classic Indiana Jones trilogy and damn, those films are amazing. If the rumours I've heard about Indy 5 turn out to be true, then I know I'll probably hate it with a passion; and the source of that passion will be my love for the original three films.
Sometimes being a fan means walking away from a franchise you love because it's too painful to share in its degradation. That way you can still enjoy the classics without having them tainted by all the modern rubbish.
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Wed, 13 Oct 2021, 16:49If the rumours I've heard about Indy 5 turn out to be true, then I know I'll probably hate it with a passion; and the source of that passion will be my love for the original three films.
Y'know, if nothing else good comes out of all this (and it's starting to look like nothing else will), at least George Lucas will have had one hell of a redemption tour.
Fans bashed the prequels. Then they bashed Crystal Skull. And while I tend to say that those are lesser works compared to their respective originals, I also maintain that they're actually pretty decent little movies. Not bad at all, I must say.
And the prequels have already benefited from comparisons to the sequels. People have taken another look at those movies with the stink of The Last Jedi still wafting around and they seem to be deciding that Hayden Christensen, midichlorians and Palpatine's Gollum moment in ROTS weren't so bad after all.
Methinks Crystal Skull will be similarly reevaluated when Indy 5 inevitably comes along and burns it all to the ground. Maybe Crystal Skull doesn't hold a candle to Raiders. But Indy 5 won't hold a candle to Crystal Skull.
If Lucas at least gets a reappraisal... well, it won't have been worth it. But that would still be something positive.
I can't say I'm a fan of Crystal Skull, but at least Spielberg and Lucas were still the creative driving force behind it. As far as I'm aware, they've both washed their hands of Indy 5. That should tell us something. I only wish Ford had been similarly discerning when deciding whether or not to do the film.
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 14 Oct 2021, 15:39
I can't say I'm a fan of Crystal Skull, but at least Spielberg and Lucas were still the creative driving force behind it. As far as I'm aware, they've both washed their hands of Indy 5. That should tell us something. I only wish Ford had been similarly discerning when deciding whether or not to do the film.
My sense of Ford is that he's gone down the road of Bruce Willis and Robert DeNiro. He's mentally checked out of his own career. He'll do whatever you want, he dgaf as long as you pay him enough. There was a time when he was a very picky, script-focused actor. But then somewhere around the time of Ender's Game, he just gave up.
Considering how protective he used to be of Indy, this is a real shame.
The corporate endgame for DC, is to phase out or "sideline" the classic depiction of Superman (the guy who typically represents traditional values and who generally harkens back to more simpler times), in favor for a more, in DC's view, "Modern" Superman with a lot less baggage and designed for more liberal Present-Day values. That's it. It's undeniable at this point. It's kinda like DC stating that Wally West wasn't going to be "sidelined" following Barry Allen's reintroduction in "Final Crisis", and wouldn't you know it? That's exactly what happened in the years following. Despite issued DC/WB statements to the contrary. So why would it be different this time? It's not. Only this time, DC is flat out telling you you're a bigot if you prefer the classic old boring straight white male Clark Kent Superman. Because, again, their worldview of being a straight white male is now seen as inherently bad (so how can a straight white Clark Kent Superman truly represent "everyone"), and of course, there's "Too many straight white dudes." per the writer himself. Take that statement for exactly what it is.
It's more about back pats than securing a strong foundation these days. Pure and simple.
EVS has a different take on the "Truth, justice and a better tomorrow" bit. And he shows his work. Bottom line, the phrase "Truth, justice and the American way" is public domain now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Kv8wDsoV0Q
Another knife to the heart of the Superman brand regardless of the reason given. As far as I am concerned the new motto is 'Everything Woke Turns To Sh*t'. If SuperWoke is concerned about ice caps melting (despite Antarctica's last 6 months being the coldest on record) why doesn't he use his freeze breathe to make more? Or inhale smoke, fly into space and exhale? And if none of that, why not protest in front of the Chinese embassy?
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 18 Oct 2021, 12:38
Another knife to the heart of the Superman brand regardless of the reason given. As far as I am concerned the new motto is 'Everything Woke Turns To Sh*t'. If SuperWoke is concerned about ice caps melting (despite Antarctica's last 6 months being the coldest on record) why doesn't he use his freeze breathe to make more? Or inhale smoke, fly into space and exhale? And if none of that, why not protest in front of the Chinese embassy?
There it is. That's my big problem with this kid Superman.
Actual Superman is supposed to use his Superman identity to do big and impressive stuff. It's Superman who fights supervillains, turns back alien invasions and rescues cats stuck in trees.
Superman uses his Clark identity to wage the day to day battles. It's Clark who's in the trenches writing articles that shed light on corruption (or whatever) and speaks truth to power. Because that's where real and lasting change begins. If either identity is to advocate for climate whatchamacallit (or anything political), it would be Clark. Because that stuff is too small and granular for Superman.
The lamest thing anyone can possibly draw is Superman holding up a sign at a protest. If someone wants to convince me they have zero understanding of Superman or the Clark/Superman dynamic, they'll show Superman participating in some idiotic climate rally.
They destroy everything they get their hands on.
Every-single-thing.
And they take a lot of joy in doing it, too.
Something else is ownership of the classic characters can get pretty murky at times. Bill Finger receiving credit for Batman is a good example.
What the main comic publishers have realized is that newer iterations of existing characters are far easier to protect. Hence the plethora of alternate Spider-Man, Supermen, Batmen, etc. There's no real way to challenge DC's ownership of, say, Luke Fox or Kong Kenan. And I imagine that someone at DC would love to replace Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent respectively with those two characters just to simplify the mounting legal issues they're facing.
The problem, of course, is that the public dgaf about Luke Fox or Kong Kenan. Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent are what they want.
Or, in relation to this thread, Jonathan Kent (the son) is easier for DC to maintain control of than Clark Kent.
Quote from: Travesty on Mon, 18 Oct 2021, 15:38
They destroy everything they get their hands on.
Every-single-thing.
And they take a lot of joy in doing it, too.
And don't forget the black Superman movie very few people want. Some want to know if it's going to be Kal-El or Val Zod getting this treatment. To which I say I don't care, because I won't be watching it either way.
(https://i.ibb.co/N1fyXY0/BD93-EED0-2-C3-E-43-AA-90-E8-D9617-EA48-F46.jpg)
Superman really is just a token plaything now. The company can pull these stunts, or ignore/underuse him when they see fit. The only thing I've been enjoying in recent times in the S78 comic.