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DC and WB are already planning a spin off of Suicide Squad, with Margot Robbie reprising her role. And she won't be alone.

QuoteBut in an interesting twist, the project is not a Quinn solo movie. Rather, it would focus on several of DC's female heroes and villains.

Details are being closely guarded but names such as Batgirl and Birds of Prey have surfaced, although in what capacity, it's not clear. Warner Bros. isn't commenting.

There is also a scribe penning the script but those details, too, are being kept secret, although it is known that the writer is female.

I have one name of someone who HAS to be in this and hasn't been in the DC Cinematic Universe yet: Poison. Ivy.

This sounds like PR to me. Not that fans wouldn't love a good Birds of Prey movie, but this reeks of Warner Bros projecting a show of confidence in their product to counteract online negativity. They should wait and see how critics and audiences respond to Suicide Squad before making any premature commitments.

You want to talk about premature commitments? WB developed the whole DC Universe slate after Man of Steel, despite it not being a major hit, and had two movies in production as well as Justice League already queued up for shooting before BvS even came out.

Still, given the current circumstances, I think WB is smart to try to play up the "girl power" side of DC for its future slate, with Wonder Woman being an almost universally praised aspect of BvS and Harley being one of the main draws of the Suicide Squad film.

I'd love to see a Birds of Prey movie featuring the Harley, Catwoman and Poison Ivy troika, but it does bother me that WB is rushing to make these team-up movies before sufficiently establishing the various characters.

Quote from: BatmAngelus on Mon, 16 May  2016, 19:57
You want to talk about premature commitments? WB developed the whole DC Universe slate after Man of Steel, despite it not being a major hit, and had two movies in production as well as Justice League already queued up for shooting before BvS even came out.

I was hoping they'd have learned from that. They need to take into consideration what fans like and dislike and calibrate their plans accordingly. It's no good making commitments based on hype and test screenings, only to discover the fans don't like the direction they're heading in at a point when it's too late to do anything about it.

I like the sound of this. A lot.

I'd rather see Batwoman than Batgirl.  Not really a fan of Batgirl as there's not much to her.

Quote from: OutRiddled on Tue, 17 May  2016, 01:55
I'd rather see Batwoman than Batgirl.  Not really a fan of Batgirl as there's not much to her.

I feel the opposite way.  I can't stand Kathy Kane, whereas I think Barbara Gordon is a fascinating character, both before and after becoming crippled.

It would be kind of odd to name a super hero film after the villain instead of the hero (though Batman is in suicide squad), I guess Harley will be more of a protagonist role?

I wonder if it is time to make another attempt at a Catwoman film? It's been 12 years since the Halle Berry disaster and I think audiences would be forgiving if it's more faithful to the character; use Selina Kyle in the title role, add some substance rather than sex appeal.

Quote from: OutRiddled on Tue, 17 May  2016, 01:55
I'd rather see Batwoman than Batgirl.  Not really a fan of Batgirl as there's not much to her.

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Quote from: riddler on Tue, 17 May  2016, 16:29
It would be kind of odd to name a super hero film after the villain instead of the hero (though Batman is in suicide squad), I guess Harley will be more of a protagonist role?

I wonder if it is time to make another attempt at a Catwoman film? It's been 12 years since the Halle Berry disaster and I think audiences would be forgiving if it's more faithful to the character; use Selina Kyle in the title role, add some substance rather than sex appeal.

I'm sure she'd be the "protagonist," whether or not she was a good protagonist or a bad one would probably depend on the scene and her mental state at that moment.

And yes, definitely on the second part. I was going to post that myself actually. It's definitely time for her to get a movie and be done right.

The all female Ghostbusters can also appear.

Equality Warriors: Civil War Rights.

Rated PC.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 18 May  2016, 08:35
The all female Ghostbusters can also appear.

Equality Warriors: Civil War Rights.

Rated PC.

Guess we'll be getting a black Selina and a transgender Ivy then too.

  There was already a black catwoman (Eartha Kitt). Anyhow I doubt anyone attempts that again, Kitt was the least popular of the adam west catwomen and Halle Berry's was a disaster so I doubt that gets repeated again any time soon if for no other reason than to distance itself from Berry's film.


One thing DC could do in a later film is try their own version of a civil war film but to the extent of JLA vs suicide squad. I liked civil war but one thing the comic did that the movie did not was have a conflicted character (spider-man) essentially play both sides due to confusion or where their alliances should lie as they saw ideals from both. DC could use a character like Catwoman to do this

Quote from: riddler on Wed, 18 May  2016, 14:30

  There was already a black catwoman (Eartha Kitt). Anyhow I doubt anyone attempts that again, Kitt was the least popular of the adam west catwomen and Halle Berry's was a disaster so I doubt that gets repeated again any time soon if for no other reason than to distance itself from Berry's film.


One thing DC could do in a later film is try their own version of a civil war film but to the extent of JLA vs suicide squad. I liked civil war but one thing the comic did that the movie did not was have a conflicted character (spider-man) essentially play both sides due to confusion or where their alliances should lie as they saw ideals from both. DC could use a character like Catwoman to do this

Wasn't Catwoman black or mixed-race in Batman: Year One?  And that's a popular graphic novel.

I really can't see how anyone would think that the 2004 Catwoman movie failed because the lead actress was black, and I'd go as far as to say that filmmakers were racist if they consciously decided never to cast a black actress as Catwoman again simply on the basis of that film's failure.

Surely a black Catwoman makes as much sense as a blonde Catwoman?  At least Catwoman has traditionally had black hair in the comics.  And besides, Catwoman is not a character defined by race, although I'd prefer that whoever plays Catwoman next brings a genuine grittiness and toughness to the part.  She's supposed to be a street-woman from the school of hard knocks; not some plummy musical theatre Disney princess... :-X

Quote from: riddler on Wed, 18 May  2016, 14:30

One thing DC could do in a later film is try their own version of a civil war film but to the extent of JLA vs suicide squad. I liked civil war but one thing the comic did that the movie did not was have a conflicted character (spider-man) essentially play both sides due to confusion or where their alliances should lie as they saw ideals from both. DC could use a character like Catwoman to do this

Love this idea. Would be fun to watch Selina play the field not so much out of conflicted ideals but because that's just what she does. She walks both sides of the line and sometimes straddles it and it makes her such a badass, enjoyable character.

Quote from: Catwoman on Wed, 18 May  2016, 08:58

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 18 May  2016, 08:35
The all female Ghostbusters can also appear.

Equality Warriors: Civil War Rights.

Rated PC.

Guess we'll be getting a black Selina and a transgender Ivy then too.

Joking aside, I'd be watching this movie on opening day.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 18 May  2016, 23:48

Quote from: Catwoman on Wed, 18 May  2016, 08:58

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 18 May  2016, 08:35
The all female Ghostbusters can also appear.

Equality Warriors: Civil War Rights.

Rated PC.

Guess we'll be getting a black Selina and a transgender Ivy then too.

Joking aside, I'd be watching this movie on opening day.

I will unless there's an obvious agenda; ie: changing a character's race, ethnicity, or sexual orientation in order to try to look "progressive." Then I'll be skipping it. The way that sh*t is permeating through comic books, wouldn't surprise me to see it happen on the screen. Hope I'm wrong, or if they do it, it isn't with this movie because this sounds right up my alley so far.

I agree it's continuing a trend, however I'm reasoning Gotham Girls has been a 'thing' for a while now. And if Margot Robbie is as good as she seems to be as Harley, I'll be wanting more.

Well if we do get a Harley Quinn spin-off hopefully she'll get a better costume.

Quote from: Vampfox on Sat, 28 May  2016, 03:49
Well if we do get a Harley Quinn spin-off hopefully she'll get a better costume.

I quite like the costume she has in SS. The BTAS suit also has a cameo apparently, but she doesn't wear it.

Going with a Gotham City Sirens route (Harley, Catwoman, Ivy) would be pretty cool.

It's reported, although not yet confirmed, that Margot Robbie will produce and star in the spin-off.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/margot-robbie-signs-first-look-928813

Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Sat, 17 Sep  2016, 01:40
It's reported, although not yet confirmed, that Margot Robbie will produce and star in the spin-off.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/margot-robbie-signs-first-look-928813

Looking forward to this.

I hope we'll at least see Poison Ivy.

Who else should be added?  Batgirl?  Catwoman (or is she too big a character to play second-fiddle to Harley)?

And who should the baddie be?  I think Black Mask would make a great antagonist for the ladies to go up against.

Quote from: The Joker on Tue, 31 May  2016, 07:44

Going with a Gotham City Sirens route (Harley, Catwoman, Ivy) would be pretty cool.

Well, your wish is coming true:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/gotham-city-sirens-movie-david-ayer-margot-robbie-reteam-all-female-dc-villains-project-

I'm on board.

Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Tue, 13 Dec  2016, 23:29
Well, your wish is coming true:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/gotham-city-sirens-movie-david-ayer-margot-robbie-reteam-all-female-dc-villains-project-

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Harley and Joker's relationship in SS made me think about Batman's love life.

Batman has Catwoman and their relationship has warmed in recent times.

After years of Batman withholding his desires, we've had:

Batman and Catwoman getting down on a rooftop during Catwoman #2
Batman and Catwoman getting down on a rooftop during Batman Rebirth
Bruce and Selina getting down in her apartment during the Telltale game
Bruce and Selina retiring together in TDK Rises and getting down for eternity

I like this shift that has taken place over the years. The two characters can remain haunted loners, as Batman Rebirth and the Telltale game recently depicted. But Batman doesn't have to be a celibate priest. Nor do the two have to get married. Hush is another example of relations warming up considerably - and the story still ends on a downbeat mood. Others may not agree, but I don't care. I dig the concept of these two romping around and kicking ass. The alpha male and the alpha female. They can have disagreements like any couple. And because of this, it makes the seperation hurt both of them even more given their more meaningful connection. But they both eventually come back for more and continue playing this game. If Affleck does bring in Catwoman, I'd totally be up for the Hush template.

It's fun, feel good....still haunted and about time.

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I dig the concept of Batman having a One True Love but not in a Lois Lane sense. What I think works is the idea of Catwoman as sort of a light at the end of the tunnel. She's somebody who's just as f**ked up as he is and there's a promise that someday, if they can both get their acts together, they can make a life with each other.

Love for Batman is sort of like a reward for a career well done. When Bruce is finally ready to call it a day as Batman, Selina will be there to ride off into the sunset with him.

I view it as Bruce putting people first rather than the city... or maybe rather than The Mission. Once he's finally able to do that, it's inevitable that he'd gravitate toward Selina or someone just like her.

Yep. They have a back and forth but never settle down. Only at 'The End'.

Arkham Knight had this bleak ending for the two:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PC-JT-S2ts4

Emotionally cold stuff. However, I'm inclined to think Batman continued his war on crime after the events of the game via Scarecrow's fear gas, becoming "something worse". Which as you say, would mean Batman still isn't ready to call it a day and settle down. But boy, what a powerful 'ending' between the two characters. He's basically saying from now on, consider me dead. Talk about a tragic love story!

But back to my main point: I'm happy for Batman and Catwoman to warm their relations, even though the relationship never becomes a tight family unit ala Lois and Clark. If the DCEU had an older Catwoman to match Affleck it would play perfectly, given he's had a long association with the rogues gallery over the years.

Well, I suppose that feeds into how their relationship would play out after they've both retired from their insane lifestyles. And honestly, anything we say here is total conjecture. I, for one, find it really hard to believe that they'd settle into a normal pattern of domesticity. I could sooner picture some 50 Shades of Grey s**t going on between those two because their respective traumas still exist even if they're not as affected by them as they used to be.

I love the Earth-2 concept of Batman marrying Catwoman and the two of them having a relatively normal marriage and then having Helena Wayne. But in practical terms, I just don't buy that when it comes to a grittier, darker Batman like we've seen in comics since the mid-80's.

Head canon stuff is fun to think about, I'll say that.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 13 Dec  2016, 23:59
I'm on board.

Same here.  Those three could really sex up the screen.

Apparently, Birds of Prey is greenlit and is expected to be directed by Cathy Yan, a former journalist for the Wall Street Journal, and Margot Robbie is expected to reprise her role as Harley Quinn. The script is being written by Christina Hodson, who also replaced Joss Whedon for Batgirl. Though it looks like development for Gotham City Sirens has stalled.

In Suicide Squad-related news, there will be a sequel directed by Gavin O'Connor. His only film credit I recognise was the boxing drama Warrior, which was excellent.

Source: https://deadline.com/2018/04/harley-quinn-margot-robbie-cathy-yan-birds-of-prey-warner-bros-dc-entertainment-bat-girl-christina-hodson-1202365866/

I was really looking forward to Gotham City Sirens, though I guess its for the better since I have some reservations about the direction they would take Catwoman. As for BoP, that should be fun. I didn't watch the show (the opening that killed off Selina Kyle pissed me off enough to never give it a chance lol) but I like the characters. Huntress is overdue to be in a movie. Black Canary too.

Excuse my ignorance, but what is the difference between Birds of Prey and Gotham City Sirens?  Do they both feature Harley Quinn?  And where does Catwoman and Poison Ivy fit into BoP, if at all?

Quote from: johnnygobbs on Wed, 18 Apr  2018, 18:29
Excuse my ignorance, but what is the difference between Birds of Prey and Gotham City Sirens?  Do they both feature Harley Quinn?  And where does Catwoman and Poison Ivy fit into BoP, if at all?

Birds of Prey concerns a team of heroes, while Gotham City Sirens focuses on a group of villains. Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy sometimes appear as antagonists in the Birds of Prey stories, but they're the main protagonists in the Gotham City Sirens comics along with Catwoman.

The connection between Catwoman and Birds of Prey is Huntress. The original Huntress (Helena Wayne) first appeared in 'From Each Ending... A New Beginning!' (DC Super-Stars Vol 1 #17, December 1977) and was the daughter of the Earth-Two Batman and Catwoman.


Barbara Joyce played a live-action version of this Huntress alongside Adam West's Batman in Legends of the Superheroes (1979). However there was no reference to them being father and daughter.


Following Crisis on Infinite Earths, a new version of Huntress – Helena Bertinelli – was introduced in 1989, but this incarnation was not related to Bruce Wayne or Selina Kyle. Six years later the first Birds of Prey comic launched in 1995. This originally starred Oracle and Black Canary, while the 2002-2003 Birds of Prey TV series focused on Oracle and Huntress. The Helena Kyle Huntress in the TV show (played by Ashley Scott) was loosely based on the Earth-Two incarnation from the comics and was portrayed as the daughter of Batman and Catwoman.


Harley Quinn also appeared in the TV show played by Mia Sara.


In 2003 Gail Simone added the Bertinelli Huntress to the comic book Birds of Prey team, thereby forming the classic trio most people associate with the title. Subsequently DC reintroduced the Helena Wayne Huntress in the 2012 New 52 title Words' Finest Volume 1. And that version, like her Bronze Age counterpart, is the daughter of Batman and Catwoman.

Thank you Silver Nemesis.

At a guess, how do you therefore think Harley Quinn will be incorporated into a Birds of Prey movie?  As a villain, a hero, or something else?

Looking forward to Margot Robbie reprising Harley Quinn. I have no idea who Cathy Yan is, so it's a 'whatever' on her. Hopefully she can deliver something worthwhile for Warners and their decision to go with her.

Now Gavin O'Connor directing the Suicide Squad sequel is something that perks my interest. I agree wholeheartedly that "Warrior" was excellent, and can see how his style can work within the tone and style of DCEU's Suicide Squad without being jarringly different. 

Quote from: OutRiddled on Thu, 16 Feb  2017, 01:27

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 13 Dec  2016, 23:59
I'm on board.

Same here.  Those three could really sex up the screen.

And that's all that matters.

I'm cool with the movie and characters, I'm just not sold on Cathy Yan. I mean, if Ayer couldn't make a competent SS movie, why should I have faith in someone who hasn't made a major motion picture?

This will literally be a wait and see for me. I know nothing about this director.

Quote from: johnnygobbs on Wed, 18 Apr  2018, 22:23At a guess, how do you therefore think Harley Quinn will be incorporated into a Birds of Prey movie?  As a villain, a hero, or something else?

I would assume as a villain. They already portrayed her as a reluctant anti-hero in Suicide Squad. Doing so again in Birds of Prey would feel like a retread IMO.

For me, the main selling point with a Birds of Prey movie is Huntress. I've always liked that character – both the Helena Wayne and Bertinelli versions – and it's high time she received a decent cinematic treatment. I can see Robbie's Harley Quinn serving as a Joker surrogate to Huntress' Batman.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 19 Apr  2018, 21:39


I would assume as a villain. They already portrayed her as a reluctant anti-hero in Suicide Squad. Doing so again in Birds of Prey would feel like a retread IMO.

For me, the main selling point with a Birds of Prey movie is Huntress. I've always liked that character – both the Helena Wayne and Bertinelli versions – and it's high time she received a decent cinematic treatment. I can see Robbie's Harley Quinn serving as a Joker surrogate to Huntress' Batman.

I hope she is a villain. She needs to be seen whacking in skulls with her bat, blowing sh*t up, and generally causing mayhem to remind people that, while totally lovable, she's still a villain. After all, she was in Belle Reeve for a reason. I just worry (and I mentioned this in another thread as it regards to her and J's relationship, I think the deleted scenes one) that they've merchandised her into a box with all the stuff they've done targeting teenagers and little girls, etc. and depicting her as a straight villain vs the anti hero like SS would be bad for that bottom line. Plus to me it's important that she's shown as a villain so that Catwoman can fill the anti hero role. It's not good for either character if Harley becomes an anti-hero too. Which she is or at least was (been a while since I read it) in her solo comic which was fun and meant to be fun, but as far as she goes in a world of superheroes and supervillains, she def falls on the villain side of things.

I love the idea of a Batman/Joker dynamic for Harley and Huntress. There's some fun directions they could go with that, I wonder if DC and WB have the balls to do it.