... a new Suicide Squad trailer along with this new Dawn of Justice trailer, I personally think they have owned December in terms of trailers/teasers.
8)
I second this statement... :)
Third base here. :)
Kitty makes it a quartet.
I guess WB owns December but the MCU definitely owned November.
Isn't a trailer for Apocalypse going to be shown with Star Wars? Let's not count our chickens before they hatch.
I'm DC-leaning, if anyone is curious, but I have high hopes for "Civil War" and I hope X-Men Apocalypse won't disappoint.
I've enjoyed Marvel films in the past, but lately I'm finding my enthusiasm waning.
Quote from: Edd Grayson on Fri, 4 Dec 2015, 23:08
I'm DC-leaning, if anyone is curious, but I have high hopes for "Civil War" and I hope X-Men Apocalypse won't disappoint.
I thought you were a huge fan of the MCU, like me, Edd? :-\
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Fri, 4 Dec 2015, 23:39
Quote from: Edd Grayson on Fri, 4 Dec 2015, 23:08
I'm DC-leaning, if anyone is curious, but I have high hopes for "Civil War" and I hope X-Men Apocalypse won't disappoint.
I thought you were a huge fan of the MCU, like me, Edd? :-\
I am a fan of the MCU, but I am a fan of DC Comics more, to be honest. I like Spider-Man comics from Marvel, and not much else in particular... I like some X-Men and F4 stories, but not as much as Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern or the JLA.
The MCU have done really well with their films actually watched The Winter Soldier again a few days ago and really enjoyed it, thinking that it's the best they have offered so far. Thing about MCU is that I sort of know what to expect in terms of storylines and even action sequences.
With the DCEU, we really are in for something different. I love Man of Steel and the way the story was told and from the different perspectives. I am anticipating BvS with great gusto as I want to see the two greatest superheros on screen together. Plus, I've always been a DC guy more than Marvel.
I agree, Grissom. The Marvel Films have some great assets but I've always been more of a DC fan, and Batman in particular.
I don't really like the whole marvel vs dc debate in the comics. Plenty of high ranking people have worked on both including Stan Lee. And those high up in the comics themselves don't take shots at the other side, I follow Stan Lee on facebook, he makes plenty of pro-DC posts and was great fans with Bob Kane.
Anyhow lately I feel marvel is bettering DC on film but DC's TV series are better. DC sets up better for a shared universe with their fictional setting as most of Marvel is in New York. I do have hope DC is finally getting it right on the big screen; Suicide squad is a film I can't see getting made 5-10 years ago
Quote from: riddler on Wed, 3 Feb 2016, 20:27
I don't really like the whole marvel vs dc debate in the comics.
Spider-Man, Captain America, Iron-Man, Hulk and a few others are terrific characters.
DC has Batman and Superman who I like. I'm beginning to really appreciate Wonder Woman, and believe it or not, may actually overtake Superman as my second favourite DC character. After those three, I dig The Flash. The TV show is exceptionally good and I hope the live action version hits the mark too.
Green Lantern has lots of potential, as does Aquaman and Cyborg. But I can't say I'm a fan at the moment. Hopefully that changes in the coming years.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 4 Feb 2016, 05:41
Quote from: riddler on Wed, 3 Feb 2016, 20:27
I don't really like the whole marvel vs dc debate in the comics.
Spider-Man, Captain America, Iron-Man, Hulk and a few others are terrific characters.
DC has Batman and Superman who I like. I'm beginning to really appreciate Wonder Woman, and believe it or not, may actually overtake Superman as my second favourite DC character. After those three, I dig The Flash. The TV show is exceptionally good and I hope the live action version hits the mark too.
Green Lantern has lots of potential, as does Aquaman and Cyborg. But I can't say I'm a fan at the moment. Hopefully that changes in the coming years.
I've yet to see "The Flash" but I agree with the rest, and I like GL and Cyborg, still on the fence on Aquaman being part of the team.
I'm grateful that Hollywood has reached a stage where it can give us a plethora of superhero films, from DC, Marvel, Darkhorse and others. Some say it's oversaturated, which could be partially correct but to be a fan of a particular superhero and to then see the character come alive on the big screen, must be truly satisfying. 8)
Quote from: Grissom on Thu, 4 Feb 2016, 19:08
I'm grateful that Hollywood has reached a stage where it can give us a plethora of superhero films, from DC, Marvel, Darkhorse and others. Some say it's oversaturated, which could be partially correct but to be a fan of a particular superhero and to then see the character come alive on the big screen, must be truly satisfying. 8)
Some of these characters have been around over 50 years and are just getting their first ever big screen treatments. Compare that to novels and short stories which are getting movies within 5 years. Movie technology is what has been holding it back, for instance Iron Man was initially written for the third Bixby/Ferrigno Hulk film in the late 80s but part of the reason he was cut was at the time they could not properly portray the character with the special effects available at the time on a feasible budget.
Good point, the technology had to catch up but remember that didn't stop the 1940's and 1950's Batman and Superman movie serials. :) It's just great we can finally see these characters in all their glory.
Quote from: Grissom on Mon, 8 Feb 2016, 21:22
Good point, the technology had to catch up but remember that didn't stop the 1940's and 1950's Batman and Superman movie serials. :) It's just great we can finally see these characters in all their glory.
Batman and Superman are characters which could be portrayed without heavy effects. Characters such as the hulk, iron man, spider-man, thor, green lantern, etc. are dependent on technology. Even batman and superman were tougher to portray given film technology. Supes has had very few of his villains portrayed in live action for that reason.
Quote from: riddler on Wed, 10 Feb 2016, 22:02
Batman and Superman are characters which could be portrayed without heavy effects. Characters such as the hulk, iron man, spider-man, thor, green lantern, etc. are dependent on technology. Even batman and superman were tougher to portray given film technology. Supes has had very few of his villains portrayed in live action for that reason.
Spider-Man and Hulk had films and shows in the 1970s. Perhaps they weren't the best, but arguably their flaws were in the storytelling rather than the effects.
Great storytelling can and should overcome any budgetary shortcomings.
The 1970's Spider-Man was nothing like the comics though.
Quote from: Edd Grayson on Thu, 11 Feb 2016, 08:14
The 1970's Spider-Man was nothing like the comics though.
I didn't say they were good (they aren't). But I said that it could be done [to make Spider-Man and Hulk, and other comic-book movie shows and films, with budgetary limitations].
Yes, but just because you can make a show like that doesn't mean you should... I wish there was a Spider-Man film in the 80's for example, but it wouldn't have been very pleasing. Or Iron Man in the 90's.
Quote from: Edd Grayson on Thu, 11 Feb 2016, 13:31
Yes, but just because you can make a show like that doesn't mean you should... I wish there was a Spider-Man film in the 80's for example, but it wouldn't have been very pleasing. Or Iron Man in the 90's.
Superman '78 and Superman II (1980) are both pretty good films, and we all love the late 80s Batman, so a decent 80s/90s Spider-Man and Iron Man was possible. Chances are they would have sucked (thinking of just about every other CBM made in the 80s apart from Superman II and Batman, oh and Flash Gordon) but that doesn't mean they had to.
And they made a Batman film and TV show in 1966 which became iconic and also serials even before that, and as far as I know, George Reeves played Superman as early as 1951. So for Batman and Superman, lack of modern techniques for special effects were not a huge problem.
I have not seen The Incredible Hulk TV show, but I heard it was quite popular...
Quote from: Edd Grayson on Thu, 11 Feb 2016, 15:27
And they made a Batman film and TV show in 1966 which became iconic and also serials even before that, and as far as I know, George Reeves played Superman as early as 1951. So for Batman and Superman, lack of modern techniques for special effects were not a huge problem.
I have not seen The Incredible Hulk TV show, but I heard it was quite popular...
Agreed.
Also, bear in mind that Marvel's big name characters only debuted in the 60s, 25/20 years after Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman first made their comic-book appearances. By the 60s sci-fi orientated films and comics were more popular than they'd been in the 40s (when they were practically non-existent, and film noir, warfare and horror-orientated stories took precedence). Even many of Superman's early villains were gangsters and scientists rather than other super-powered aliens.
But by the 60s movie special effects had vastly improved so you had films like 2001: A Space Odyssey and Planet of the Apes that demonstrated that there was a market for bigger-budget (i.e. non-B movie) sci-fi fare. I certainly think the same effects team that brought 2001 to life could easily have made a great Spider-Man or Iron Man movie circa 1960s/70s.
That's a good point.
And now that I think about it...although Spider-Man was always popular, even if not as old as DC's heroes, doing his web swinging AND fighting the various costumed foes with superpowers of their own was perphaps too costly for a TV budget...
And as a consequence even Stan Lee disliked the 70's show with Nicholas Hammond. The Incredible Hulk with Bixby and Ferrigno was a hit while Spider-Man was not.
There was a Japanese Spider-Man though, with a giant robot too. :)
Do you think a 1980s Spider-Man franchise could have worked?
I think I'd cast a young Christian Slater as Peter Parker circa mid-1980s. He has the right smart wise-cracking mouth for Parker, plus he's played bookish bespectacled characters before.
But who could have directed the film, and what villains would feature?
I'd probably favour James Cameron as director as long as he was faithful to the comic-book characters (his leaked draft for a 1990s Spider-Man deviated a little too much from the source material) or maybe someone like Joe Dante or John McTiernan.
And I think the mid-80s Jack Nicholson would have been perfect as Norman Osborn/The Green Goblin (in an ideal world, I'd have swapped Willem Dafoe for Nicholson, and have the former play The Joker and Nicholson play The Green Goblin).
I've heard rumors like Arnold Schwarzenegger as Doctor Octopus. Also with Cameron involved. I think Ock would've been a fitting role at the time for the Terminator.
I like Christian Slater, he could've done been a good Spidey.
Cameron's unnmade 90's film had Electro and Sandman planned for villains but the characters were not set to respect the comics... don't think I've read much else about it.
Nicholson could have played the cold and ruthless version of Norman Osborn who was not a good person to begin with.