Figured with its cast and filming dates coming together it deserved a thread. And who better to start it than the resident Suicide Squad-ite? ;D
http://variety.com/2014/film/news/suicide-squad-cast-revealed-jared-leto-to-play-the-joker-will-smith-is-deadshot-1201368867/
Cast:
Jared Leto – The Joker
Will Smith – Deadshot
Tom Hardy – Rick Flagg
Margot Robbie – Harley Quinn
Jai Courtney – Boomerang
Cara Delevinge – Enchantress
QuoteAccording to insiders, Jesse Eisenberg is also in talks to play Lex Luthor in the film, a role he will first play in "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice," though the status of his deal is unknown.
QuoteWarners still has the role of Amanda Waller, the character who oversees the team similar to Nick Fury in the Marvel universe, to cast before the film goes into production. The studio's short list of actresses being eyed for the role includes Viola Davis, Octavia Spencer and Oprah Winfrey, whom sources say would be WB's first choice for the part.
Thoughts:
Very interesting to see Hardy come back and as a different character, but considering that his Rick Flagg will probably have hair, an American accent, and be thinner, we probably won't get any Bane flashbacks.
Leto's got big shoes to fill. I've only seen him in a couple things that weren't really Joker-like (Requiem for a Dream, Fight Club), but he's got the right look (once he shaves).
After seeing her in Wolf of Wall Street, I think Robbie is great for Harley.
Jai Courtney's alright for Boomerang.
Will Smith as Deadshot- did not see that coming. Hope we finally get to see him in full Deadshot costume, since neither Smallville or Arrow have done that.
Not familiar with Enchantress or the actress, so no comment there.
My vote for Waller is Viola Davis (though I admit that Octavia Spencer looks closer to the pre-New 52 version).
THE Will Smith?! How did I miss that?!
Wow this may wind up being my favorite movie ever.
And idk who the Enchantress is either. I've read all of Vol 4 and the first 4 issues of New Suicide Squad and there's no Enchantress. Of course there's no Rick Flagg either that I've seen, Amanda Waller runs it in Vol 4 and then her and this other guy who's name isn't Rick Flagg lol run it in NSS.
Speaking of Amanda Waller, I really hope the Oprah rumor is just some wishful thinking. I have nothing against Oprah of course, she's amazing, but it immediately becomes her movie if she gets cast. Even with Will's star power it will still (at least it looks this way) be an ensemble thing but Oprah is so...Oprah that she would take over the movie whether she wants to or not and that would really piss me off because if you haven't read some of my posts elsewhere I REALLY do not like Amanda Waller.
I would go with the lady from "How To Get Away with Murder." Never watched it, sick of murder in television, but I've seen her in like promos (both on TV and in magazines and on the net and stuff) so I would vote for her. Anyone know who she is?
LMAO!
I just googled it myself. Turns out she IS up for the role, hahahaha.
Viola Davis. Yeah. They should pick her. Even though I'll hate her character.
Since Hardy is playing Rick Flagg I guess this is the final proof, if any was needed, that this franchise is entirely separate from the Nolan one where he played Bane.
Quote from: Catwoman on Tue, 2 Dec 2014, 23:33
LMAO!
I just googled it myself. Turns out she IS up for the role, hahahaha.
Viola Davis. Yeah. They should pick her. Even though I'll hate her character.
I see the svelte Kerry Washington is no longer being associated with the part of Amanda Waller. I guess they're going for a *ahem* 'larger' lady, which is how Waller tends to be portrayed in the comic-books (at least the ones I'm familiar with).
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Also, I agree with your point about Oprah potentially turning the film into an 'Oprah movie', although one might easily say the same thing about Will Smith turning this into a 'Will Smith movie', but Oprah is a great actress (or she was many years back in The Color Purple) and I could honestly see her in the part.
In the new ones, she is much thinner and younger and actually quite beautiful.
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Amanda_Waller_%28Prime_Earth%29/Images
Oh God. If she was the older heavy set version and I was in her squad my head would be blown up in like 5 seconds. "Did you call me fat?!" "No, I just said that maybe you should come out in the field with us on a mission and give your chair a brea*BOOM*"
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REALLY looking forward to seeing Jared Leto as the Joker. If he fully gets himself into the role, as he did in Dallas Buyers Club, he will be nothing short of outstanding I'm sure, while at the same time, lessening that mindset of "Ledger IS Joker" to some extent.
Oprah as Waller is a very interesting notion. She's definitely a good actress, so no worries on her being able to play the part.
No worries on Hardy playing the Flagg guy either.
The rest of the cast announced should be serviceable in various ways and such, so it certainly has the makings to be an entertaining film.
A guy who looks like Jesus just doesn't give me the Joker vibe lol. Wish they would have left him out and let Harley
stand on her own two feet.
With Margot, I think she will benefit greatly by this being an ensemble piece rather than WB/DC going with a solo Harley Quinn route. The Leto/Jesus comparison shouldn't be of much concern. He's kinda like Joaquin Phoenix in that respect. Who may walk around looking like a cast member from Duck Dynasty, but won't be appearing as such in films.
So many looks.
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Potential preview of Leto's Joker laugh (NSFW language):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2y1MLTBlUw
Quote from: The Joker on Wed, 3 Dec 2014, 05:56
With Margot, I think she will benefit greatly by this being an ensemble piece rather than WB/DC going with a solo Harley Quinn route. The Leto/Jesus comparison shouldn't be of much concern. He's kinda like Joaquin Phoenix in that respect. Who may walk around looking like a cast member from Duck Dynasty, but won't be appearing as such in films.
So many looks.
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Oh I didn't mean it being her movie. I'm excited about it because I love the team. I just wish they would leave The Joker out (unless his role is small) instead of it looking like she HAS to have him around. She don't need a crutch. She holds her own fine in the comic except for one lapse early on during the sh*t with his face that goes a bit far (poor Deadshot lol).
Quote from: Catwoman on Wed, 3 Dec 2014, 07:14
She holds her own fine in the comic except for one lapse early on during the sh*t with his face that goes a bit far (poor Deadshot lol).
Observe:
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Hunting that led me to this lol. One of my fave pages:
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Quote from: Catwoman on Wed, 3 Dec 2014, 07:14
Oh I didn't mean it being her movie. I'm excited about it because I love the team. I just wish they would leave The Joker out (unless his role is small) instead of it looking like she HAS to have him around. She don't need a crutch. She holds her own fine in the comic except for one lapse early on during the sh*t with his face that goes a bit far (poor Deadshot lol).
I get what you are saying, but I think, in the grand scheme of things, there could possibly be a scene where Harley will stand up to the Joker, following physical/emotional abuse in their relationship, or some sort of action he takes that is really detestable, and thus, conveying her independence from the Joker, while at the same time, consequently, giving her a arc that basically results in making her a stronger character in the film itself.
However, I do have some concern, since we're talking about Harley getting her due in the spotlight, that Leto will be so good as the Joker that he will easily overshadow Margot Robbie as Harley, and if not, all of the cast in "Suicide Squad" (excluding maybe Oprah ... if they get her, since Oprah playing a character like Waller would probably surprise alot of people). The matter of how much screen time Leto gets as Joker will play a factor in that, though I have to assume it's substantial enough to gain Leto's interest in signing on, especially at this stage in his career.
Quote from: Catwoman on Wed, 3 Dec 2014, 08:01
Observe:
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There was some obvious similarities with "Death of the Family" and Tobe Hooper's Texas Chainsaw Massacre movies.
This was straight out of Part 2.
Exciting news!
I'm glad to see the Joker is coming back on screen much sooner than expected...as long as he doesn't come across as a Ledger clone, that is. The Jared Leto/Margot Robbie rumours were true after all.
Will Smith as Deadshot...I happen to think this is a good casting choice. I'd say Smith needs to this role too since he hasn't been in a good film in a long time.
I'm surprised that Tom Hardy is starring in another DC Comics-based film. It could be either the offer on the table is too good, or that he probably wasn't too happy with his role as Bane. It's admittedly pointless speculation in any case.
Has anyone else seen Batman: Assault on Arkham yet? It's really a Suicide Squad movie with Batman appearing as a supporting character. I'd recommend watching it to get a possible idea of what the live action movie might be like since Joker was the main villain, and it's likely that will be the case again.
Since this movie is strictly about the villains, I for one wouldn't mind too much if it does take itself more seriously, although I'd still prefer Joker and Harley Quinn provide some moments of levity.
2016 is quickly becoming an exciting year to look forward to. Dawn of Justice, CA: Civil War and now this. 8)
Quote from: Catwoman on Wed, 3 Dec 2014, 05:00
A guy who looks like Jesus just doesn't give me the Joker vibe lol. Wish they would have left him out and let Harley
stand on her own two feet.
Admittedly I don't know much about Suicide Squad, but I am a little disappointed that we won't be getting Harley in a more traditional scenario. I'd love to see her origin story onscreen, which does of course require input from the Joker.
I found this brilliant fake Photoshop manip of Leto as the Joker online.
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Too bad I doubt he will look anything like this in the film.
Quote from: The Joker on Wed, 3 Dec 2014, 08:19
he matter of how much screen time Leto gets as Joker will play a factor in that, though I have to assume it's substantial enough to gain Leto's interest in signing on, especially at this stage in his career.
At the same time it might be little more than a cameo and the fact that the role is so huge was enough to draw him. Or at least that's what I'm telling myself lol.
Quote from: The Joker on Wed, 3 Dec 2014, 08:33
There was some obvious similarities with "Death of the Family" and Tobe Hooper's Texas Chainsaw Massacre movies.
This was straight out of Part 2.
This was actually before Death of the Family. Captain Boomerang (who I can't decide if I like or if he gets on my damn nerves) mentioned the Joker was missing, presumed dead and skinned alive and, well, you know Harley lol. The Suicide Squad part of Death of the Family was pretty amazing, if a little gross. I won't spoil it but Joker gasses the rest of the team except Harley (since of course Ivy made her immune). He wants to bring her down the road he's on, she decides she doesn't want to. They fight, Joker hits the wall face first, he falls to the floor but his face stays stuck to it so we see the inside of the skin. Yuck.
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Wed, 3 Dec 2014, 11:35
Admittedly I don't know much about Suicide Squad, but I am a little disappointed that we won't be getting Harley in a more traditional scenario. I'd love to see her origin story onscreen, which does of course require input from the Joker.
In the reboots they changed it to where instead of just falling in mad love (hehe) and wearing makeup, Joker throws Harleen in the same vat he fell (jumped?) in and causes her to have the same transformation (bleached skin, hair two different colors, etc). So maybe that is what his role is. I hope so. What do you mean by "traditional scenario?" Putting on the jester's outfit and being The Joker's whipping girl or something while he fights Batman?
And you and everyone else who hasn't read Suicide Squad needs to, stat. Especially issues 5, 6, and 7, and 14 and 15. 6 and 7 deal with her origin, 14 and 15 are the Death of the Family issues.
Wow. I feel like a brainiac or at least the smart one all of a sudden. I like this feeling. Even if it is just a feeling and perception is NOT reality lol.
Issue 7 is also the one where she puts his face over Deadshot's. It's actually pretty hot lol. Even the ending which, when you see it, coming from me might be pretty weird but y'all know me.
LMAO!
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Quote from: Catwoman on Wed, 3 Dec 2014, 12:58
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Wed, 3 Dec 2014, 11:35
Admittedly I don't know much about Suicide Squad, but I am a little disappointed that we won't be getting Harley in a more traditional scenario. I'd love to see her origin story onscreen, which does of course require input from the Joker.
In the reboots they changed it to where instead of just falling in mad love (hehe) and wearing makeup, Joker throws Harleen in the same vat he fell (jumped?) in and causes her to have the same transformation (bleached skin, hair two different colors, etc). So maybe that is what his role is. I hope so. What do you mean by "traditional scenario?" Putting on the jester's outfit and being The Joker's whipping girl or something while he fights Batman?
I mean as a solo character, or a double-act with The Joker, rather than as part of a team, and a character who goes up against Batman and Robin and co in Gotham City. I like the animated episode where she kidnaps Veronica Vreeland (by mistake).
This is a weird way on introducing her in her live-action film debut IMHO. :-\
Also, is she a psychiatrist/gymnast in this version? I like the idea of her having those particular skill sets.
Yes and yes. She's very physically strong and she's still a psychiatrist. In the New Suicide Squad, she beats the ever loving hell out of The Joker's Daughter (thank GOD she's not in the movie. ugh) and is telling her not to be like him, to be anyone or anything else. Black Manta asks whats up once he gets to where they were fighting and she explains it and then says "I'm a psychiatrist" with a smile.
In the TOTALLY HILARIOUS AND ADORABLE Harley Quinn comic, she actually works as a psychiatrist as one of her jobs to help her keep owning the apartment building she inherited. Her other job is as part of a roller derby team lol. So that alone is like the perfect illustration of both. Btw that is another comic y'all HAVE to read. I said it before and I will repeat that it is like me if I didn't have any silly inhibitions and didn't follow all the rules. I'd do all that stuff lol.
Case in point (btw the beaver isn't really talking, it is just a voice in her head. see I'm totally like her)
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Quote from: Catwoman on Wed, 3 Dec 2014, 12:58
At the same time it might be little more than a cameo and the fact that the role is so huge was enough to draw him. Or at least that's what I'm telling myself lol.
Ha!
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This was actually before Death of the Family. Captain Boomerang (who I can't decide if I like or if he gets on my damn nerves) mentioned the Joker was missing, presumed dead and skinned alive and, well, you know Harley lol. The Suicide Squad part of Death of the Family was pretty amazing, if a little gross. I won't spoil it but Joker gasses the rest of the team except Harley (since of course Ivy made her immune). He wants to bring her down the road he's on, she decides she doesn't want to. They fight, Joker hits the wall face first, he falls to the floor but his face stays stuck to it so we see the inside of the skin. Yuck.
You're right. I haven't read those issues since they initially came out (couple of years ago?), and kinda lump all the Leatherface stuff together with 'Death of the Family'. I remember Joker revealing that he purposely made Harley's hyena's, Bud and Lou, rabid, which subsequently resulted in their deaths somewhere along the line in all of this. To which I felt was a mistake, as I think they (and by they I mean DC and the Nu52) atleast could have got
some mileage out of the Bud and Lou dynamic, but one thing they sure have gotten some mileage out of is the Joker's leatherface. Especially with the whole Joker's Daughter stuff. Much like the Walking Dead's teeth, that skin is pretty resistant to decay evidently. :D
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Wed, 3 Dec 2014, 11:35
In the reboots they changed it to where instead of just falling in mad love (hehe) and wearing makeup, Joker throws Harleen in the same vat he fell (jumped?) in and causes her to have the same transformation (bleached skin, hair two different colors, etc). So maybe that is what his role is. I hope so.
I would really,
really like it if they steer clear of the Nu52 origin. As it comes across as incredibly contrived, and fan-fictiony.
QuoteWhat do you mean by "traditional scenario?" Putting on the jester's outfit and being The Joker's whipping girl or something while he fights Batman?
That's a
unfair assessment wouldn't you say, Catwoman? I mean, Harley was certainly an appealing and enduring character in her original conception by Paul Dini in the Animated Series, as well during her introduction to the DCU comics prior to the 2011 reboot, right? Getting her own title that lasted 30-40-something issues, and Gotham City Sirens certainly indicates that. It's not like her appeal and success
started with the Nu52 version. Not by any stretch of the imagination.
QuoteAnd you and everyone else who hasn't read Suicide Squad needs to, stat. Especially issues 5, 6, and 7, and 14 and 15. 6 and 7 deal with her origin, 14 and 15 are the Death of the Family issues.
Wow. I feel like a brainiac or at least the smart one all of a sudden. I like this feeling. Even if it is just a feeling and perception is NOT reality lol.
Oh, you're getting better. Especially with the current stuff. Which I slowly have lost interest in sans a few titles here and there over the years.
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Oh I know she was popular before that. Hell she is iconic! I just mean I like it when she can stand alone or work with Ivy or anyone OTHER than the Joker just to prove she doesn't need him.
And trust me when I say the decay starts to...set in. Ugh. I need to set a time interval between when I eat and think about that. Two weeks should do it.
I'll be perfectly honest, I'm in love with both versions of her so whichever origin and whichever costume they use (as long as it's HER costume and not some Ledgered up bullsh*t) will suit me as long as the personality is right.
And the new stuff is like all I know, but it's a start! I kind of feel like a villainess for how I'm finding it out though...shhhh...
Quote from: Catwoman on Wed, 3 Dec 2014, 16:36
Oh I know she was popular before that. Hell she is iconic! I just mean I like it when she can stand alone or work with Ivy or anyone OTHER than the Joker just to prove she doesn't need him.
You know the more I think about it, especially by mentioning Ivy, it really would have been cool to have seen a Gotham City Sirens movie. I guess going the Suicide Squad route offers WB/DC more of an opportunity to make a healthy profit by including some big names (both male and female), but a Gotham City Sirens film would have been amazing. Especially if it was anything like the books. The DC cinematic version of a bad girl Charlie's Angels, though with much more popular characters (Harley, Ivy, Catwoman).
QuoteAnd trust me when I say the decay starts to...set in. Ugh. I need to set a time interval between when I eat and think about that. Two weeks should do it.
I know comic book time is funny, but to see his former (leather)face STILL intact is hilarious.
QuoteI'll be perfectly honest, I'm in love with both versions of her so whichever origin and whichever costume they use (as long as it's HER costume and not some Ledgered up bullsh*t) will suit me as long as the personality is right.
My love/displeasure with Nu52 Harley is similar to Nu52 Wonder Woman. I simply do not care for the bleached white origin story, but as far as Harley herself goes, I really don't have any major problems. Sure, I prefer Harley to be blonde with a non-bleached pigmentation (and in a harlequin costume), but that's due to how she was originally intended and portrayed for so many years. Nearly two decades even. However, I think her personality and such has remained intact, thankfully.
Nu52 Wonder Woman is much more of a mixed bag unfortunately.
QuoteAnd the new stuff is like all I know, but it's a start! I kind of feel like a villainess for how I'm finding it out though...shhhh...
Oh well, you're not the only one. That's for sure!
A Gotham City Sirens movie probably would kill me, if they followed the comic faithfully. It ripped my heart to pieces.
Best I can tell Harley is the first person to remove it from that case, which is probably like sealed and controlled to keep it from decomposing. Once Joker gets his hands on it in the first issue of Death of the Family, it like immediately starts to rot.
Blech. Two weeks, damnit. Two weeks!
She's a little bit edgier in Suicide Squad but otherwise the personality is the same. In her own title (I'm SERIOUS. READ IT! You will laugh your badonk a donks off!) she's like Harley's Holiday Harley, before the stupid dress thingamajigger goes off and ruins everything. I like the blonde hair (obviously) but the split red and black/blue has grown on me, and so has the outfit.
Doesn't make it any more legal lol.
I kind of wish they left the Joker out as well but it could flesh out the Harley character more. Ideally I'd like to see something bad to happen to him early in the film to give Harley her motivation, perhaps have the Joker captured with the remainder of the squad sent to save him.
I will say this though. As much as I dislike Amanda Waller, I straight up freaking hate her new superior Vic Sage (yes I think he is THAT Vic Sage lol). Ugh. Cocky power hungry little dickhead.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=57946
Please be true please be true please be true please be true
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Please be true please be true please be true please be true
That sounds great.
I always thought Harley had it in her to be a heroine, of sorts.
I guess we'll be seeing Harley and Deadshot in action together a year or so before Suicide Squad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxCRgtdAuBo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxCRgtdAuBo)
Wow she is really pretty. This is the first time I'd seen her "in action" lol. And Will? Yes thank you.
Tom Hardy has pulled out of the film; now Jake Gyllenhaal is rumoured to replace him.
http://www.thewrap.com/jake-gyllenhaal-eyed-to-replace-tom-hardy-in-david-ayers-suicide-squad-exclusive/
Good God the Squad's already losing members. lol
Rick Flagg isn't in the books I've read so I don't know a thing about him. So I have no clue what to expect. They cast anyone and I wouldn't know the difference.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Fri, 16 Jan 2015, 13:38
Tom Hardy has pulled out of the film; now Jake Gyllenhaal is rumoured to replace him.
http://www.thewrap.com/jake-gyllenhaal-eyed-to-replace-tom-hardy-in-david-ayers-suicide-squad-exclusive/
Since I like to think all the various DC films are linked to the same universe (which I realise doesn't make any sense from a story perspective) I guess I'd rather have someone else but 'Bane' (or 'Bane #2') playing Rick Flagg, as great as Tom Hardy is.
Gyllenhaal passed. The search for the replacement continues:
http://variety.com/2015/film/news/jake-gyllenhaal-suicide-squad-rick-flag-1201411414/
One wonders if there are issues with the role. One thing is that Rick is basically a noncostumed character surrounded by more flashy, costumed supervillains. On the surface, it doesn't sound too appealing for actors, especially big ones like Hardy and Gyllenhaal.
Quote from: BatmAngelus on Thu, 22 Jan 2015, 01:34
Gyllenhaal passed. The search for the replacement continues:
http://variety.com/2015/film/news/jake-gyllenhaal-suicide-squad-rick-flag-1201411414/
One wonders if there are issues with the role. One thing is that Rick is basically a noncostumed character surrounded by more flashy, costumed supervillains. On the surface, it doesn't sound too appealing for actors, especially big ones like Hardy and Gyllenhaal.
Gyllenhaal, despite being overlooked for what some might say would have been a deserved Oscar nom for Nightcrawler, is currently undergoing a career revival so it's hard to imagine what interest a relatively obscure comic-book character ensemble part would have had. Most of the other actors cast are either relative newcomers looking to make an impact, or in Will Smith's case, a once huge blockbuster movie star looking to revive his commercial stock (following the embarrassing failure of After Earth).
Quote from: BatmAngelus on Thu, 22 Jan 2015, 01:34
Gyllenhaal passed. The search for the replacement continues:
http://variety.com/2015/film/news/jake-gyllenhaal-suicide-squad-rick-flag-1201411414/
One wonders if there are issues with the role. One thing is that Rick is basically a noncostumed character surrounded by more flashy, costumed supervillains. On the surface, it doesn't sound too appealing for actors, especially big ones like Hardy and Gyllenhaal.
I wonder if they'll have this much trouble if they try to have a Steve Trevor character in Justice League lol.
The books I read (the new 52 reboot and then "New Suicide Squad") get along just fine without him. Deadshot is basically the de facto leader (except right now lol) so if they can't cast anyone worth having in the role and have to fill it just for the sake of filling it, hell just cut the character out. I know a lot of traditionalists would want to shoot me for saying that but still.
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Rumor: Batman to Appear in 'Suicide Squad', Leading Up to His Own Solo Film
The Batman Suicide Squad rumor — and it is just a rumor at this point — comes from Forbes. We previously heard from Latino Review (possible spoilers at the link) that Batman might be seen on a video monitor in the film, but Forbes now says the Caped Crusader will appear "in the flesh." He'll likely come near the end, in a scene involving the Joker (played by Jared Leto).
http://www.slashfilm.com/rumor-batman-suicide-squad/
This is one rumour I wouldn't be surprised if it came true. It would certainly make a great cliffhanger.
That article did say that a rumoured Batman solo movie won't come till 2019. There's another rumour going around that Deathstroke may appear in SS, but I doubt that will happen.
It could. He was part of the team in the beginning of New Suicide Squad. First issue the Russians captured him and offered him a lot of money so he joined them.
I hate disloyal people. One-eyed bastard. lol
I'm hearing a rumour recently that Batman will come in at the end of Suicide Squad where he will begin his war on the Joker, leading into his solo movie.
People may complain that they are using The Joker again but he is indeed Batman's chief nemesis and it be a great way to kick off a new Batman franchise. Come to think of it, it may be he only Batman franchise that will have the Joker appear more than once (more than one film)
From David Ayer's Twitter:
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It begins!
"Tools. #skwad" was the pic's caption btw
I really like the choice of director and the fact that DC is striving to do something different. To have have a group of misfits coming together for a common cause should br quite exciting and not clean cut or polished, like Marvel's Avengers, but truly tortured souls.
If it's like the comic it will be a lot less a story about tortured souls and more a comedy of errors and egos lol
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SUICIDE SQUAD: JARED LETO'S JOKER MORE 'CEREBRAL' AND 'COMEDIC'
311 Filming begins in April.
BY JIM VEJVODAA new rumor claims to explain how Oscar winner Jared Leto's Joker in Suicide Squad will differ from past screen portrayals of the Clown Prince of Crime.
"Jared wants to make sure his Joker is not only something the fans will love, but he doesn't want to step on the toes of Jack Nicholson or Heath Ledger," according to a purported inside source for Hollywood Life.
"He wants to make the character completely his own. ... He knows that this role may be his most difficult ever, but he is confident that he will make his version of the Joker the best. This Joker will be more cerebral and comedic than what we have seen before, nobody should expect a copycat version. It's going to be awesome!"
Suicide Squad begins filming next month in Toronto under the direction of Fury's David Ayer.
Source: http://au.ign.com/articles/2015/03/06/suicide-squad-jared-letos-joker-more-cerebral-and-comedic
Leto seems very confident about himself. And it looks like the Joker will be returning to his roots if we're lead to believe he'll be more comedic yet still evil. I like it.
I'm cautiously optimistic about him
I think Leto could out-Ledger Ledger. Not that getting into character is anything new or groundbreaking, mind you. It's what any actor does for a living.
I'm not going to bash Ledger. I think he did a good job for the style Nolan wanted. But I do think he was overrated by the fanbase. But that wasn't his fault.
Was Ledger's take my type of Joker? No. In some respects I don't think it's even The Joker, period. The Nolan fan will say the scars are his perma-white. That he can't take that off. But it's just not the same.
The Joker is an actor and a manipulator, but applying makeup gives him a choice of descending into a persona. Just as Batman has a choice of donning his cape and cowl every night. I think Joker should be the opposite of Batman in that regard. Silver Nemesis will disagree, but facts are, we are shown flesh faced TDK Joker can stand in full public view with facial scars at the Loeb memorial and nobody pays him any attention.
I can see Leto being just as intense as Ledger with the added benefit of comic book theatricality.
I hope the role doesn't kill Leto the way it allegedly killed Ledger. :-\
I have alot of faith in Leto as the Joker. Putting some focus on Joker's comedic personality, along with being alot more clean cut, certainly comes across as more traditional than Ledger's Joker and is a step in the right direction.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 7 Mar 2015, 00:07
The Joker is an actor and a manipulator, but applying makeup gives him a choice of descending into a persona. Just as Batman has a choice of donning his cape and cowl every night. I think Joker should be the opposite of Batman in that regard.
I get what you mean. Nicholson couldn't do anything to hide his smile, but he tried to deceive people by hiding his deformed flesh in make-up. Especially during the TV broadcast by claiming he can 'unmask' himself, as a way of taunting Batman to the entire audience. That doesn't apply to Ledger because the make-up
is his mask. Which he doesn't really need at all if you think about it because he's so superhuman at most times e.g. appearing like a ghost unnoticed at the Loeb memorial.
I wouldn't be surprised if Leto will look like the revamped New 52 Joker.
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Quote from: johnnygobbs on Sat, 7 Mar 2015, 14:07
I hope the role doesn't kill Leto the way it allegedly killed Ledger. :-\
Did the role really play a factor in his death? I admit that I haven't paid too much attention to the circumstances surrounding his death, but I always thought that Ledger had suffered from other struggles in his personal life, and the overdose was just a tragic accident.
BTW: Joel Kinnaman is replacing Tom Hardy as Rick Flag.
Source: http://au.ign.com/articles/2015/03/09/joel-kinnaman-confirms-hes-joining-the-suicide-squad-as-rick-flagg
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Wed, 11 Mar 2015, 11:56
I get what you mean. Nicholson couldn't do anything to hide his smile, but he tried to deceive people by hiding his deformed flesh in make-up. Especially during the TV broadcast by claiming he can 'unmask' himself, as a way of taunting Batman to the entire audience.
Exactly.
I think it's a nice touch how The Joker lies about what his true face is during the television hijacking.
"I've taken off my makeup, let's see if you can take off yours."
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Wed, 11 Mar 2015, 11:56
Did the role really play a factor in his death?
No. It's just a myth perpetuated to increase the sense of greatness.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Wed, 11 Mar 2015, 11:56
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 7 Mar 2015, 00:07
The Joker is an actor and a manipulator, but applying makeup gives him a choice of descending into a persona. Just as Batman has a choice of donning his cape and cowl every night. I think Joker should be the opposite of Batman in that regard.
I get what you mean. Nicholson couldn't do anything to hide his smile, but he tried to deceive people by hiding his deformed flesh in make-up. Especially during the TV broadcast by claiming he can 'unmask' himself, as a way of taunting Batman to the entire audience. That doesn't apply to Ledger because the make-up is his mask. Which he doesn't really need at all if you think about it because he's so superhuman at most times e.g. appearing like a ghost unnoticed at the Loeb memorial.
I wouldn't be surprised if Leto will look like the revamped New 52 Joker.
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Quote from: johnnygobbs on Sat, 7 Mar 2015, 14:07
I hope the role doesn't kill Leto the way it allegedly killed Ledger. :-\
Did the role really play a factor in his death? I admit that I haven't paid too much attention to the circumstances surrounding his death, but I always thought that Ledger had suffered from other struggles in his personal life, and the overdose was just a tragic accident.
BTW: Joel Kinnaman is replacing Tom Hardy as Rick Flag.
Source: http://au.ign.com/articles/2015/03/09/joel-kinnaman-confirms-hes-joining-the-suicide-squad-as-rick-flagg
If they take any inspiration from New 52 I hope they don't have him "unmask" himself the same way he did in the comics which is having his face cut off. Blech! Still so freaking gross.
I remember reading all the stuff about the role and everything being what caused him to have sleeping problems and overdose on the pills. I was sort of in my own little world back then (y'all remember me back when I first registered, that was a year later but still lol) and doing wrong things of my own but that bothered me and nearly made me not go see the movie. I did and back then I was like "Oh hell yes Heath Ledger FTW!" even though I didn't know what the hell FTW is (damn young wippersnappers and their slang...) but it was more the hype than anything so now I'm like "Overrated FTW" even though I still don't know what FTW means.
Where was I going with that again?
And I've never heard of Joel Kinnaman (actually I hadn't really heard of anyone attached to this movie except Will until the cast was revealed lol. I'm SO not a pop culture princess) but I hope he's good in the movie. I won't really be able to base it off the comic since Rick Flagg isn't in the ones I've read so I'll defer to other peeps judgement and just judge him on how he acts in general.
Quote from: Catwoman on Wed, 11 Mar 2015, 13:37
If they take any inspiration from New 52 I hope they don't have him "unmask" himself the same way he did in the comics which is having his face cut off. Blech! Still so freaking gross.
I doubt it. With the whole thing about Leto going for something more "cerebral" and "comedic" that's been posted on all the news sites, I don't think that would include the Nu52's
Leatherface Joker being a very viable option. As it would hinder Leto's performance in having to wear a face mask like that, which I don't think he as an actor, especially in this stage of his career, would find too appealing. Just as well though. Leto is better than having to rely on shock value disfigurement to make his Joker a memorable interpretation. His performance alone will do that.
Personally, if Frank Miller's "Dark Knight Returns" is something Snyder/Affleck is drawing inspiration from, I hope Leto does the same as well. Honestly, some of the recent pics posted of him give me that Miller DKR Joker vibe....
QuoteI remember reading all the stuff about the role and everything being what caused him to have sleeping problems and overdose on the pills. I was sort of in my own little world back then (y'all remember me back when I first registered, that was a year later but still lol) and doing wrong things of my own but that bothered me and nearly made me not go see the movie. I did and back then I was like "Oh hell yes Heath Ledger FTW!" even though I didn't know what the hell FTW is (damn young wippersnappers and their slang...) but it was more the hype than anything so now I'm like "Overrated FTW" even though I still don't know what FTW means.
Heh. First time I saw FTW being used on the net, I thought of the FTW title used in ECW (Extreme Championship Wrestling). Which stood for "F*** The World", but no. Common usage on the net doesn't refer to
that. :D I watched waaay too much pro wrestling as a kid. :-[
Quote from: Catwoman on Sat, 24 Jan 2015, 06:05
It could. He was part of the team in the beginning of New Suicide Squad. First issue the Russians captured him and offered him a lot of money so he joined them.
I hate disloyal people. One-eyed bastard. lol
Like I said ;)
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/rumor-joe-manganiello-a-lock-for-suicide-squads-deathstroke
Jared Leto's Joker Reportedly Based on 'Dark Knight Returns
http://comicbook.com/2015/03/13/jared-letos-joker-reportedly-inspired-by-the-dark-knight-returns/ (http://comicbook.com/2015/03/13/jared-letos-joker-reportedly-inspired-by-the-dark-knight-returns/)
Grain of salt, and all that, but you know .... if true ....
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Here's the latest tweet from director David Ayer.
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https://twitter.com/DavidAyerMovies/status/581602129615405056
He's teasing Arkham Asylum. And the logo is the same as the one from Rocksteady video games.
I freaking love props like that. You know they're fiction but they are so real and bring it to life. Love it!
Speaking of Arkham Asylum I'm supposed to be borrowing that game from my Cuz soon and playing it so we'll see how that goes. Even though he said there's no Kitty in it :( But he said I have to play it and beat it before I can play the Arkham City soooooo oh well.
Ok back on topic. Nice books. lol.
A few days old, but whatever. It needs to be posted. The first image of Jared Leto with the green hair! ;D
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And of course the homage is unmistakeable.
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Just awesome!
He scares me already
http://legionsofgotham.blogspot.com/2015/04/new-pic-of-jared-leto-as-jokerthe-best.html
He's so creepy I can't hardly look at him. I guess that's what he's supposed to be but ug. lol
Now he just needs that murderous sense of humor that skipped a generation of Jokers
Looking forward to his performance for sure.
Pretty terrifying if you ask me. I love seeing Leto really get into the role.
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If you notice, he has no eyebrows, either. Honestly, when I looked at Leto with his long hair and beard, I couldn't see the Joker. But this? There is hope.
AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! Why'd you have to post it?! Wasn't the link enough?!
Great. I won't be sleeping for about six months now. Thanks Mr. Slash Man.
It looks like they're going for the creepy, effeminate version of the Joker from The Dark Knight Returns.
The more I hear about Leto's Joker, the more of the impression I get that the Glasgow-smiling goth rubbish era is coming to an end. Good.
I'd like to think that this picture is Leto messing around before getting his white-faced makeup. Already seeing people jump to conclusions on it being THE final look and hating it:
http://badassdigest.com/2015/04/16/jared-leto-is-either-boring-or-scaring-the-sh*t-out-of-me-here/
I really don't think Leto would be foolish enough to share out a picture of himself in full makeup before WB was ready to release a real pic.
Quote from: BatmAngelus on Fri, 17 Apr 2015, 18:11
I'd like to think that this picture is Leto messing around before getting his white-faced makeup. Already seeing people jump to conclusions on it being THE final look and hating it:
http://badassdigest.com/2015/04/16/jared-leto-is-either-boring-or-scaring-the-sh*t-out-of-me-here/
I really don't think Leto would be foolish enough to share out a picture of himself in full makeup before WB was ready to release a real pic.
People are really stupid enough to believe that? My freaking god.
See this is why I'm glad I'm here kiddies, where everyone is smart. Well, most of you. You make up for my blondeness :P
I don't know why anyone would think that pic of Leto is the final look of the Joker when it's obviously not... maybe they just wanted an excuse to rip the new Joker apart?
Quote from: Edd Grayson on Fri, 17 Apr 2015, 19:33
I don't know why anyone would think that pic of Leto is the final look of the Joker when it's obviously not... maybe they just wanted an excuse to rip the new Joker apart?
Probably.
Quote from: Catwoman on Fri, 17 Apr 2015, 02:03
AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! Why'd you have to post it?! Wasn't the link enough?!
Great. I won't be sleeping for about six months now. Thanks Mr. Slash Man.
Haha sorry, I noticed your post just after I shared the picture.
Personally, I never liked the look they gave Ledger. I only warmed up to it on him because of his performance. That being said, I'd hate to see them try to replicate that particular look when they have so many other time-tested comic looks to choose from.
It's interesting that The Dark Knight Returns gets brought up again. Leto really doesn't look his age, but it seems deliberate that him and Affleck were both the same age. They're about 12 years younger than their TDKR counterparts, but I guess they wouldn't want them to be TOO old. Anyways, the TDKR design seems like a safe bet, though they don't seem to be using Janson's muted color palette, which is a good call in the case of the Joker. The bright green hair looks great.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/markcassidycbm/news/?a=119007
Pasty face? No eyebrows? Bright green hair? Jared Leto doesn't quite look like the Joker yet, without the makeup, but still manages to look terrifying.
He's creepy as hell!
https://twitter.com/DavidAyerMovies/status/591761248859123713/photo/1
The first official look at the Jared Leto Joker is out and well...I'm mixed.
On the one hand, I like it better than the Ledger look. I'm happy the hair looks slicked back and neat, there are no "panda eyes," and the red lips aren't scarred up. It's closer to the traditional Joker look, from the neck up.
But I have to admit, after seeing Affleck's Batman, I was kinda hoping for a more traditional route. The tattoos might be in reference to Joker's dragon tattoo in All Star Batman and Robin, but why does he have a "Damaged" tattoo on his forehead? And why are his teeth metal? Because Batman knocked them out?
Hoping I like his look better with the clothes on.
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???
I might prefer it a bit better than Ledger's look, but Leto reminds me of Marilyn Manson!
I'd prefer if he didn't have tattoos, especially the one on his forehead. At least the days of that annoying Glasgow smile is over.
Oh Jack. Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack my old childhood hero of iconic movie super villainy :( What are they doing to your beloved legacy? ::)
I'm very sorry guys who like this but they just can never beat the glory days of Nick Dudman makeup and the magic of those Nicholson pictures taken by the legendary Herb Ritts. Movie magic personified...always!
It'll grow on me by the film's theatrical release but I am sorely tiring now of The Joker and other Bat villains who are becoming "safe" characters to use over and over. Much more interested in what Killer Croc will look like and (Will Smith's?) Deadshot. New era's require new blood in my opinion.
Oh alright then! The return of the purple glove!!! VERY Jack Nicholson! It has a single saving grace.
Wait, this is legit?
Not a fan at all. Ledger's Joker is better than this.
:-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Quote from: Cobblepot4Mayor on Sat, 25 Apr 2015, 01:58
Oh Jack. Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack my old childhood hero of iconic movie super villainy :( What are they doing to your beloved legacy? ::)
I'm very sorry guys who like this but they just can never beat the glory days of Nick Dudman makeup and the magic of those Nicholson pictures taken by the legendary Herb Ritts. Movie magic personified...always!
I agree with you wholeheartedly there, mate.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 25 Apr 2015, 01:59
Wait, this is legit?
Not a fan at all. Ledger's Joker is better than this.
While I don't like the overabundance of tattoos and could've done without them, the crazed hysterical look on Leto's face reminds me of a classical Joker stare at least, and still gives me hope he'll be fun to watch. Ledger's Glasgow smile look just made him look depressed and dull in my opinion.
I don't understand all the hate. I could do without the tattoo on the forehead but other than that he looks like a true psychopath and thankfully he's a lot more colourful than Heath Ledger's Joker.
Plus remember that this is an incarcerated Joker who has already gone toe-to-toe with Batman a few times, hence the broken/metal teeth.
Huh. Wasn't expecting that!
I'm still not sold that this is the final version; maybe the whole thug tattoos are just for the promotional picture? Take away the tattoos and metal teeth, and you've got a Joker that leapt right from the comic book pages.
Though if it is the final version, it could be worse. I guess it does show a Joker that's been through the ringer (the tattoos are pretty funny at least). Anyways, the acting is where it counts, and that crazed expression is a good indicator.
While I'm not surprised by the negative reaction, it's way more Joker-looking than the "Crow" look that we got last time.
Nicholson's design is still #1 for me. He's the only one who looked like he came from the comic book pages (specifically the Dick Sprang illustrations).
This is what Paul Dini said on Twitter:
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That's a Joker who demands acolytes. I think Harley Quinn will fit in rather well.
https://twitter.com/Paul_Dini/status/591791197963685888
This sounds like he is endorsing this new interpretation.
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Sat, 25 Apr 2015, 02:10
I don't understand all the hate. I could do without the tattoo on the forehead but other than that he looks like a true psychopath and thankfully he's a lot more colourful than Heath Ledger's Joker.
Plus remember that this is an incarcerated Joker who has already gone toe-to-toe with Batman a few times, hence the broken/metal teeth.
I think a lot of people feel that we already had a grunge-looking Joker several years ago, and would've preferred going back to a more traditional look. I've constantly criticized Ledger's Joker many times in the past because I thought the scarred demeanor on his face was not only a huge physical change for the character, but it also made it difficult to believe that anybody would want to work with a guy who looked
that manic. In contrast, the clownish demeanor like Nicholson had made him unpredictable; you could mistake him as a harmless trickster while he cracks a joke, until he unexpectedly murders you a minute later. Yet, the Joker would only murder his own henchmen out of frustration (i.e. Bob the Goon in B89). Not like how Ledger completely obliterates his entire gang after every crime he committed. The latter always stretched my suspension of disbelief.
The Joker thankfully doesn't have any scars this time, but the fact that his body is now tattooed and his teeth are made of metal means he still has that overly demented demeanor I think most of us still aren't used to.
It's now going to be interesting to see how Leto acts in the film. The only way I think I can fully appreciate this new look better in the film is if humour balances everything out. The crazed look on his face gives me hope, but if it's going to go one-dimensional like Ledger's Joker again, count me out.
The Joker having damaged tattoed on his head doesn't make sense to me. The Joker showing the world that he thinks he's damaged? Nah. The Joker is an eltitist who looks down on the commoners. He wants them remade in his likeness. This guy just looks like a thug. A tattooed henchman.
Very disappointing.
I wish they would give us some hints about Margot's Harley look, but maybe this "all Joker" stuff (including Jared's home pics)is supposed to be some creative marketing thing playing off his narcissism.
That was...unusual. I can't say I'm happy about this look. :-\
It f***in sucks: bottom line. I'm sorry, but Ledger's looked better than this. Leto has what, green hair? Yup, that's it! Green hair, and the rest looks like he's a prison thug. Face tats and a silver grill for his teeth? Are you out of your f***in mind?!
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Quote from: Travesty on Sat, 25 Apr 2015, 15:10
It f***in sucks: bottom line. I'm sorry, but Ledger's looked better than this. Leto has what, green hair? Yup, that's it! Green hair, and the rest looks like he's a prison thug. Face tats and a silver grill for his teeth? Are you out of your f***in mind?!
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I'm not particularly crazy about the Marilyn Manson-look as anyone else here, but with all due respect, I don't see how Ledger's look was any better. If you can look past the capped teeth and the body art, Leto here at least has a deranged demeanor that resembles the Joker, unlike Ledger's. I remember not even realizing Ledger was supposed to be playing the Joker when I first saw him in that makeup. And the fact that he frowns with that annoying red smear across his face with a hunchback was annoying to look at. To me, he too looks like a gothic thug. It doesn't matter, different strokes for different people I guess. :-\
We'll just have to wait and see the film to see how it works out now.
It's kinda funny reading reactions comparing how they ruined jokers look (in comparison to Leger). My reaction is the same as when I saw Ledgers Joker :D
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Brilliant!
The best way to criticise the new Joker is by mockery and this picture is hilarious.
That said, I'm one of the few people around here who doesn't mind the Joker's new look.
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Quote from: Travesty on Sat, 25 Apr 2015, 15:51
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The Joker should be shouting "Mirror!"
And the tattoo artist should look at his tools in an apologetic manner and say "You see what I have to work with here..."
There's something really obnoxious and precious about that 'damaged' forehead tattoo. It unfortunately reminds me of the type of t-shirts the girls in 'Mean Girls' wore with self-conscious slogans like "A little bit dramatic". I hope that particular tattoo goes.
People hating on this are out of their minds.
Is it weird? Yeah. But you know what? He's permawhite... which is like the defining element of the Joker. While Ledger did give a good performance, the implication was that he made himself into a freak. That isn't the Joker. Leto is clearly permawhite, thus sealing his fate and insanity, he can't walk away from it. Just from that alone, it's better than Ledger's take.
And the tatts bother you? Realize this: he won't be shirtless the entire time. When he puts his clothes on, he'll look almost completely like the comic book Joker.
The other element that I thought about is the potential issues related to being too close to the comic; Jack made his deal for "any derivative Joker" (ie: based on his) to net him money. Since he was so close to the comics, maybe with Ledger & Leto (and even the guy in the intro to the Birds of Prey show, who's lower half-face always looked fleshtone...) they have to be different enough from the comic look just so Jack won't have a leg to stand on in court if he wanted some extra bucks.... food for thought.
Quote from: DocLathropBrown on Sat, 25 Apr 2015, 16:52
And the tatts bother you? Realize this: he won't be shirtless the entire time. When he puts his clothes on, he'll look almost completely like the comic book Joker.
Except for the two face tats, and the silver grill in his teeth.
He looks like a common thug. The Joker shouldn't look like a thug, he's the one who should be ordering the thugs around. He looks like someone who should be working for The Joker, not the actual Joker.
Quote from: eledoremassis02 on Sat, 25 Apr 2015, 15:24
It's kinda funny reading reactions comparing how they ruined jokers look (in comparison to Leger). My reaction is the same as when I saw Ledgers Joker :D
Agreed. I don't see how this is sacrilege and (in some Facebook comments I've read) the "downfall of superhero movies," while Ledger's "The Crow" look was considered fine. This was how the 2007 me
wished everyone had reacted in that first "Dead Presidents"-like pic of the TDK Joker.
I've stated my own issues with the new look, but it's still closer to Joker to me than what we had to deal with last time. Something like this would've been perfect, though:
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Honestly looking forward to seeing him with clothes on and going up against Affleck's Batman.
^That picture gives me hope
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This new picture actually does more for me. Mainly because we can only see the classic Joker makeup and not the new... additions. Interestingly, the vertical tattoo on his right cheek doesn't seem to be there. I'm praying that the tattoos were just for he ad campaign.
The tattoo is on his left side.
Not sure if it was a tattoo, or something else, but there was a line on his right cheek (not the 'J') that isn't visible in the more recent picture:
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I still hate the look, and Ledger's Joker is much better. That speaks volumes as to how much I dislike this version. They dropped the ball big time, especially after how glorious and comic-like Affleck's Batman is. Leto looks like a common thug who worships the Joker in a prison punk band, themed on Marilyn Manson.
The tattoos will be covered with a jacket at some point, but that's not the point. The Joker looks down upon the commoners, and has an air of elitism. I don't think he'd stoop this low, or become like the other plebs in jail.
Unpredictability in the Joker character isn't a solid reason for this look, either. He could hit the gym and become a walking tank, wear a t-shirt and sandals but it'd still be a pathetic aesthetic choice for the character.
I am sick and tired of 'the performance is king' comments. Yes, sure, I am aware of that. But why in the hell can't we have both a good looking design coupled with a good performance?
A big swing and miss for me.
The mocking memes will keep on coming because this deserves nothing but scorn.
Maybe the tattoos are just some promotional sh*t designed to throw us off? Hopefully?
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Maybe the tattoos are just some promotional sh*t designed to throw us off? Hopefully?
Best case scenario is we see flashbacks of him pre-tattoo and capped teeth.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 26 Apr 2015, 00:37
The tattoos will be covered with a jacket at some point, but that's not the point. The Joker looks down upon the commoners, and has an air of elitism. I don't think he'd stoop this low, or become like the other plebs in jail.
I once said that the Joker in most media was a narcissist who takes great pride in his appearance, and I used that argument as a justification to criticise Ledger's Joker. Let's face it: Joker would never tolerate having scars on his face, or get upset if someone called him a 'freak', or admit that his jokes were bad. He definitely would NOT resort to looking like a thuggish, serial-killer horror film character. And I stand by that opinion. But, to be fair, I don't think he'd resort to having tattoos on his body either. He may not have scars this time, but Joker still has that Gothic aesthetic about him that I don't appreciate like last time.
In either case, Ledger and Leto's appearances undermines the debonair appeal of the character. But if I have to choose the lesser of the two evils, I'd go for Leto's look any day. At least Leto here looks more of a clown than Ledger did, and if Doc is right, the bleached hair and skin alone is better than Ledger. I know I immediately compared Leto to Marilyn Manson, but I honestly remember that I mistook Ledger as someone from one of those "nu-metal" bands i.e. Slipknot or Mushroomhead. I remember being shocked to discover he was Joker when I read a news article. Yet, people loved that look. Well, they don't have to like this new interpretation, but if they embraced TDK's radical look then I don't think they should be too critical of this one.
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The other element that I thought about is the potential issues related to being too close to the comic; Jack made his deal for "any derivative Joker" (ie: based on his) to net him money. Since he was so close to the comics, maybe with Ledger & Leto (and even the guy in the intro to the Birds of Prey show, who's lower half-face always looked fleshtone...) they have to be different enough from the comic look just so Jack won't have a leg to stand on in court if he wanted some extra bucks.... food for thought.
I find that really disheartening to hear. That explains why Hollywood is constantly trying to do something different to the character all the time. I like Nicholson's Joker like everybody else here, but he has no right to trademark the character's look, regardless if it says on the contract or not.
Yeah... I like that Jack still stands behind his portrayal, but since the beginning, there's been a lot of greed involved with licensing and such. Sideshow was one of the rare companies that got to use his likeness for their Joker (to great effect). Previously, he'd only let it happen with some outrageous fee. Back in '89, I forget the sculpter, but an artist was creating Batman & Joker statues to great demand. He came up with the idea to give them a bronze finish, but Jack would only oblige if all 500 were hand-painted. Needless to say, the public didn't see those statues. Anyways, I don't think Jack can claim ownership to the classic Joker design in live action. Only when it's specifically his likeness (and he will milk it for what it's worth). Was the classic Joker design ever on the table for Ledger, or was that always too "unrealistic?"
Back to Leto, what's everyone think about the no eyebrows look? The only instance I can think of off the top of my head is Batman: The Animated Series. And that was pulled off well with the dark outlines. In real life, it should make for some interesting expressions.
Seriously, if anybody looks like a punk rocker, it's Leto's hands down.
Why the f*** does he need to tattoo his body with 'ha ha ha' and playing cards? To show he's really into that stuff, and hey, I'm really the Joker? It's a try-hard design. If I saw this guy holding a guitar, I'd really think he was a back-up guitarist for some cheap and nasty band who snorts coke in between badly sung songs.
I'd rather the Joker look like a horror movie, serial killer than that.
Leto's version is a joke for all the wrong reasons.
Question for the powers that be (That's you, Lex). Can we have a Suicide Squad section now that the filming has started and we've got our first official character pic?
After observing some of the reactions to the official image of Leto as the Joker, alot of people are really focusing on the tats and capped teeth. Outside of that, and whatever people's preference for the Joker's appearance is these days (which has really gotten incredibly uneven over the years; as Ledger's facepaint, dyed hair, and massive scars on his face is A OK. Along with Leatherface Joker from Nu52 having it's fans, but tats and metal capped teeth somehow becomes a major deal breaker?), Leto's Joker looks very much like Joker to me. A look that evokes a sense of being incredibly intense, and excessively insane. A look that's pretty much has become the norm whenever the Joker appears in the books these days. Up to one's own personal perspective if that's for better or worse.
Actually, for me, the teeth become less and less of an issue the more I look at the image. Honestly, it makes sense. If this is a Joker thats already faced off against Batman, possibly more than just once, he would have definitely lost a few teeth and needed replacements by this point. The tattoos, however, are the real stickler. Personally, I could have done without them, and generally prefer a much more 'posh' appearance, but really, alot will come down to Jared Leto's performance. Which I think he'll be great. Course people have their favorites, but Romero, Nicholson, Hamill and Ledger have all owned the role of the Joker. No doubt Leto's Joker will be in their company as well.
TDK wlll love this. ;)
https://youtu.be/NsmKQyXExQU (https://youtu.be/NsmKQyXExQU)
This reminds me of how I reacted when I first saw Ledger's Joker...and how everybody else ate up that interpretation. >:(
So it looks like we shouldn't be taking this as an actual reveal. As I suspected earlier, it may just be a joke all along.
http://legionsofgotham.blogspot.com/2015/04/jared-letos-joker-wont-have-tats-and.html
Still, I can't blame people for taking it at face value when we didn't have an actual reveal up to that point. It's a shame, because that pic would've been a riot, had we actually known what the Joker was actually going to look like well in advance.
Quote from: Catwoman on Sun, 26 Apr 2015, 00:41
Maybe the tattoos are just some promotional sh*t designed to throw us off? Hopefully?
Gee, who said that? Oh wait, I did.
A lot of times, people speculate that the promo pics are just "works in progress" and won't be what we see in the final film. I saw a lot of that in the responses to Green Lantern's mask/suit with Ryan Reynolds, Ledger's look, etc.
So far, it rarely turns out to be true and I don't think it makes much sense either. Why would WB deliberately promote a picture that's so altered from the final look? Especially knowing the fans' track record of crying out against major changes. Why spend the time to Photoshop all those things in, while in the middle of making a movie? If it turns out that this was the case, then fair enough (and I think it'll be a better look that people will be more on board with), but I'm not holding my breath.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Mon, 27 Apr 2015, 10:40
This reminds me of how I reacted when I first saw Ledger's Joker...and how everybody else ate up that interpretation. >:(
Pretty funny video. ;D
Not referring to anyone on this forum, but with all the Ledger praise that's
still going around, especially following Friday's reveal, I've come to the conclusion that there will be a Ledgery lot that will absolutely hate on anything Leto brings to the table simply because it's not Heath Ledger in the role again. However, I do believe most people will be a bit more open minded than that, and the prison tats especially provided the ammunition, but in terms of fanboyism, It'll be similar to Nolan fanboys hating on anything Batman that didn't have Nolan's fingerprints on them. Ledger IS the Joker to them, when he's really one interpretation out of many (75 years worth even).
It does seem like that. I recall when Affleck's Batsuit was first revealed, I saw some reactions saying that it looked "too bulky" and was like cosplay. (I see the cosplay comment a lot. I think it's telling actually when cosplayers come up with something better than what's actually done onscreen).
Even if Leto's Joker had no tattoos or metal teeth and looked like he leapt off the page, I can see hypothetical criticisms that Ayer went "too boring and safe" with the Joker's look. :-X
Is it safe to say that fans were universally appeased by the suit reveal? To the general public, there's always going to be detractors for ANYTHING. People are contrarians just for the hell of it, and I'm not surprised that people found issues with the new Batman costume.
Almost like they're setting the bar low for the Joker with the false "reveal" image, only to give us a much more classic design in the end. Not a solid plan, but I'm still looking forward to the actual reveal.
There were set pics of Affleck dressed as Bruce Wayne on the set of SS. Today, he was caught in the actual Batsuit, and someone said they saw the Batmobile.
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They think this is the first look at Deadshot. I wouldn't be surprised.
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Are they sure Will wasn't just shopping? Not sure Floyd Lawton would have a cross necklace on lol.
Idk about the suit tbh, need a better closer view. If that's even him.
The first full-costume team pic for 'Suicide Squad' has emerge:
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Harls looks adorbs and has the perfect attitude best I can tell from this. Just wish if she was going to already wear a short tee they would have let Margot show her belly button lol.
Will? Yes please.
Was hoping to see Harley in more of a jester outfit, but Robbie's got the right attitude and hairstyle.
Will Smith's Deadshot looks more like Deadshot in this pic (and more like Deadshot than the Arrow and Smallville iterations since he at least has the mask)
https://twitter.com/DavidAyerMovies/status/595025398456430593
Had no idea that Katana was in this but she looks good.
Loving Killer Croc. Looks appropriately scaly but not to the point of being a full on reptile like the Jim Lee version.
What a dirty looking bunch of grubs. They look like a street gang that crawled out of bins, covered in tattoos and wearing grillz.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 4 May 2015, 04:51
What a dirty looking bunch of grubs. They look like a street gang that crawled out of bins, covered in tattoos and wearing grillz.
Suicide Squad is not a glamorous job lol
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/will-smith-shares-first-look-at-masked-deadshot-in-suicide-squad
Kitty likey
Quote from: Catwoman on Mon, 4 May 2015, 07:00
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 4 May 2015, 04:51
What a dirty looking bunch of grubs. They look like a street gang that crawled out of bins, covered in tattoos and wearing grillz.
Suicide Squad is not a glamorous job lol
^What she said. ;)
I think the costumes don't look that that bad. I'm shocked and impressed they're giving us the actual Killer Croc and not a black guy with bad skin pigmentation like in that awful Joker comic. I wish Harley Quinn was given a jester's mask, but it looks like they're going for a punk-chic look i.e. Arkham City. I guess if she wears the mask, we'll only see her wearing it as an Easter egg if we're lucky.
I like Will Smith's Deadshot mask.
What makes me laugh right now is that the same people who embraced Nolan's unimaginative designs for the villains i.e. Scarecrow only wears a suit to go with a burlap sack covering over his face, Joker looking like a thuggish, gothic looking serial killer etc...are now crying over how the Suicide Squad villains look bland and how the DC movies are "too dark". How bloody rich. ::)
Eeek!!!
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I am officially f***ing EXCITED!!!!!!!!
Quote from: BatmAngelus on Mon, 4 May 2015, 02:56
Was hoping to see Harley in more of a jester outfit, but Robbie's got the right attitude and hairstyle.
This.
I guess I can't say I'm very surprised to see Harley appearing as she does in these recent photos due to Jared Leto's Joker, but yeah, I would have
preferred seeing Margot in a outfit more Dini/Timm inspired, and less Arkham City. Just a overall preference for the original classic version really.
Oh, and Cara as Enchantress looks pretty, err, creepy.
Quote from: The Joker on Mon, 4 May 2015, 14:17
This.
I guess I can't say I'm very surprised to see Harley appearing as she does in these recent photos due to Jared Leto's Joker, but yeah, I would have preferred seeing Margot in a outfit more Dini/Timm inspired, and less Arkham City. Just a overall preference for the original classic version really.
This is precisely how I feel.
I made similar comments on SuperheroHype and was advised by another poster that Harley will have several costume changes in the film, and that the classic black and red jester costume might therefore appear.
Harley looks good, I'm on board.
Deadshot, Croc and Katana all look good. Harley is just ok. Everyone else looks like they just got off the set of Mad Max.
Does anyone else think Killer Croc looks like one of the goombas from the 'Super Mario Bros' film?
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Not really. The skin looks the same, because the goombas were reptiles in that movie. But Croc doesn't have a small face like that. I like the way Croc looks.
I may not like the new Harley design, but I still give them credit for being faithful to the Arkham design; I know a lot of people are fans of that.
I am.....slightly.....disappointed by Harley.
Only because if this were the 1990's I know for a fact we'd have gotten Harley looking nearly exactly as she looked in the animated series.
Is it fair to say because I'm one of the few who witnessed the joy of Batman: Live that I'll be comparing this movie Harley to the lady who played her on stage? Because she totally nailed it. This new lady has that to beat which I think is completely viable.
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Mon, 4 May 2015, 15:48
Does anyone else think Killer Croc looks like one of the goombas from the 'Super Mario Bros' film?
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You know, I remember the same comparison being made with The Lizard once images from 2012's
The Amazing Spider-Man started coming in. :o
Quote from: Cobblepot4Mayor on Thu, 7 May 2015, 04:38
I am.....slightly.....disappointed by Harley.
Only because if this were the 1990's I know for a fact we'd have gotten Harley looking nearly exactly as she looked in the animated series.
True.
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I'm a fan of Harley's original outfit too but I don't mind seeing a different approach.
While I'd prefer the jester outfit, this still seems to be keeping in character (and who knows, maybe the original outfit will make a return later).
Photos have leaked online of Leto and Robbie filming. It looks like the Joker definitely has his tattoos from the official image, so those were not Photoshopped.
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2015/05/18/suicide-squad-set-snaps-squash-joker-conspiracy-theory
I just can't get on board with The Joker. He looks horrible. With the others, I have some issues here and there, but for the most part, I don;t have a huge problem with them. But The Joker looks hideous.
Mr. J be stylin'!
I got to see the video before WB took it down and I liked his mannerisms but I just don't like the tats on his face. Bleh. And Margot looked completely totally freaking adorable as a "normal" Harleen. I wanted to strangle Jared Leto when SPOILER! the Joker backhanded her to the ground. That pissed me off. At the same time though it turned me on lol.
So excited for this movie.
Lot more pics: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=120709
See? Adorable. And I guess it isn't such a spoiler since the pics plainly show it lol.
I guess it's very Joker-y that she's wearing glasses when he slapped her. I have a little scar on the bridge of my nose from where that happened to me in real life so that kind of pisses me off but I seriously doubt he cares lol.
I like how he's really embracing his role as a celebrity. Again, in line with TDKR. Seeing Joker with a flashy sports car and expensive suit seems more in line with the character than Ledger's grungy look. The Joker craves attention and loves being in the spotlight.
Again, it's a shame about the tattoos, but at least we're not seeing him running around shirtless.
Yeah, the Tattoos I could have done without, but everything else seems pretty good. BTS candid photos isn't really the best way to judge Leto's Joker look, but I'm digging it, for the most part, so far.
That slap, amongst others I'm sure, will figure into the plot as to the reasons why Harley's "Mr. J" is her "Ex" at the start of the film, but similar to the "Assault on Arkham" animated movie, it's extremely likely she'll go back to him at some point. Now whether she stays will be a underlining question ....
Quote from: The Joker on Tue, 19 May 2015, 20:06
Yeah, the Tattoos I could have done without, but everything else seems pretty good. BTS candid photos isn't really the best way to judge Leto's Joker look, but I'm digging it, for the most part, so far.
That slap, amongst others I'm sure, will figure into the plot as to the reasons why Harley's "Mr. J" is her "Ex" at the start of the film, but similar to the "Assault on Arkham" animated movie, it's extremely likely she'll go back to him at some point. Now whether she stays will be a underlining question ....
The answer to that question being one of the defining factors in whether or not I like the movie.
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Jared Leto Sent Joker-Like Gifts To His Suicide Squad Co-Stars
Adam Beach, who plays Slipknot in David Ayer's Suicide Squad, already has some interesting stories about his co-star Jared Leto (Dallas Buyers Club). Apparently, the Oscar-winning actor has submerged himself so thoroughly into The Joker role he is sending insane gifts to his fellow cast members.
"He sent [Margot Robbie] a nice love letter with a black box with a rat in it—a live rat," Adam Beach told EOnline at the premiere of Joe Dirt 2: Beautiful Loser. "It was beautiful. Then he sent bullets to Will [Smith] with a letter."
Besides the rat and bullets, Leto sent a video to the entire cast that included a "dead hog." "Basically, what he said was, 'Guys, I can't be there but I want you to know I'm doing my work as hard as you guys,'" Beach said. "The video he showed is in character. It blew our minds away. Then we realized that day, this is real."
Then Beach was asked about the first time he saw Leto as The Joker. "He encompasses this beautiful man and he shows it in, 'Hello, how are you?,' but in an instant, he goes to psychotic behavior where you're in fear," Beach recalled. "But you love him because he has both of those genuine sides."
Suicide Squad is set to be released August 5, 2016.
Source: http://comicbook.com/2015/06/26/jared-leto-sent-joker-like-gifts-to-his-suicide-squad-co-stars/
???
You better hope that this is just a stupid publicity stunt to get people talking. Otherwise, Leto is one creepy bastard. Which means it sounds like he's going to nail the role, I suppose.
Daaaaamn. lol
If anyone sent me a live rat they would be a little less live than the rat.
;D ;D ;D
I really hope this stuff turns up in a BTS featurette. Would love to see the real life reactions from the cast to Leto's gifts. Bullets. Live rat. A personal video with a dead hog ... Lmao!!! :D
Love:
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Assuming we'll be seeing some sort of teaser for this at ComicCon this weekend.
Tbh Im not TOO bothered about this flick, well apart from the areas that Batman shows up ;)
Here's a bootleg of the trailer:
https://vid.me/Olt7 (https://vid.me/Olt7)
Quote from: Travesty on Sun, 12 Jul 2015, 23:15
Here's a bootleg of the trailer:
https://vid.me/Olt7 (https://vid.me/Olt7)
Thanks Travesty. I like what I'm seeing of Jared's Joker. It also appears that Will Smith's character will be portrayed as a fallen hero looking for redemption which fits Smith's persona better than an out-and-out baddie. But can you make out any of Harley's dialogue and can you tell if she's using the 'Noo Yawk' accent at all?
I love hearing those crazy stories of Leto as the Joker. It sounds like he really gets it.
He sounds a lot like Heath's Joker. Which isn't really a bad thing, just an observation. He already has a better laugh.
Ok so I felt bad for watching the bootleg but since it's about bad guys and girls doing good things maybe it's ok if the good girl did a bad thing? :-\
lol
And best I can tell I am totally freaking excited for this too. Margot NAILS Harley from the looks of it! Can't wait! Next year is going to be THE BEST.
I'm sure though a lot of people are going to get their panties in a bunch about Will's Deadshot having this heroic side where in the comic he's like, uh, not really on board with it lol. But it looks great.
What little bit we see of Jared's Joker is pretty much as creepy as in the still pics, which creeped me the crap out.
And Amanda Waller looks and sounds like the self-righteous bitch I love to hate, so that part will be awesome too!
Like I said. Next year. The BEST.
Ok so I said she nails Harley. I guess I should say why I feel that way. Her expressions, the way she's chewing the gum, etc. And how she goes "Huh?" That's my Harls! It's the New 52-y Harley, not the Dini Harley, but I think yall will like her a lot :)
Not that the Dini Harls isn't my Harls too. They're all my Harls. :) lol
Ok, so, we have a trailer, a lot of pics, and everything else, but one thing.
Can we please have our Suicide Squad section yet, Mr. Boss Man Sir?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLLQK9la6Go
I have no words.
Ok I found some words. It looks like Harls is the one he's going to hurt "really...really...bad."
Idk if I can handle that. :-\
Here's what Warner Bros had to say about the official release of the trailer to the public:
QuoteSue Kroll, President Worldwide Marketing and International Distribution, Warner Bros. Pictures said the following in a statement: "Warner Bros. Pictures and our anti-piracy team have worked tirelessly over the last 48 hours to contain the Suicide Squad footage that was pirated from Hall H on Saturday. We have been unable to achieve that goal. Today we will release the same footage that has been illegally circulating on the web, in the form it was created and high quality with which it was intended to be enjoyed. We regret this decision as it was our intention to keep the footage as a unique experience for the Comic Con crowd, but we cannot continue to allow the film to be represented by the poor quality of the pirated footage stolen from our presentation."
Is it wrong of me to be grateful to the piraters for making this trailer available? It seems kind of appropriate for a 'Suicide Squad' trailer that the mischief-makers should be on our side. ;)
Ignoring fan-films and the brief glimpse we got of the Mark Hamill voiced Joker we got in the TV show "Birds of Prey", I think Jared Leto's Joker might be the scariest looking live-action Joker so far.
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Mon, 13 Jul 2015, 21:20
I think Jared Leto's Joker might be the scariest looking live-action Joker so far.
You could be right.
I still don't like the way he looks. Those grills and tats are just ugly. I think I hate the grills the most.
But even though I hate the design, I'm still excited for the movie, and I think Leto will do a great job as The Joker.
Quote from: Travesty on Tue, 14 Jul 2015, 00:38
I still don't like the way he looks. Those grills and tats are just ugly. I think I hate the grills the most.
But even though I hate the design, I'm still excited for the movie, and I think Leto will do a great job as The Joker.
Some people have speculated that the grills are there because Batman broke his teeth, most likely in vengeance for killing Robin. In that case we might hopefully get some flashback scenes without the grills either in this film or a later movie.
"I've done far worse than kill you. I've hurt you. And I wish to go on... hurting you. I shall leave you as you left me, as you left her: marooned for all eternity in the center of a dead planet, buried alive... buried alive."
Could not resist :)
Quote from: Edd Grayson on Tue, 14 Jul 2015, 01:16
"I've done far worse than kill you. I've hurt you. And I wish to go on... hurting you. I shall leave you as you left me, as you left her: marooned for all eternity in the center of a dead planet, buried alive... buried alive."
Could not resist :)
That's great. Where's it from? And what does it mean?
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Tue, 14 Jul 2015, 01:21
Quote from: Edd Grayson on Tue, 14 Jul 2015, 01:16
"I've done far worse than kill you. I've hurt you. And I wish to go on... hurting you. I shall leave you as you left me, as you left her: marooned for all eternity in the center of a dead planet, buried alive... buried alive."
Could not resist :)
That's great. Where's it from? And what does it mean?
It's from Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. In my opinion, few fantasy/sci-fi villains ever came close to Ricardo Montalban's Khan in this film.
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
Sorry, couldn't resist either. lol
Quote from: Catwoman on Tue, 14 Jul 2015, 02:14
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
Sorry, couldn't resist either. lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny_epS_zXLI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny_epS_zXLI)
;)
Good morning starshine, the Earth says hello.
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Does anyone get the sense that this version of Deadshot is going to be driven to violence by something really bad that's about to happen to his family as they're walking down the street at Christmas time? Maybe a bullet meant for him? The way they're walking in slow motion makes it look super ominous.
Back to Harley though, another thing I love and is heartbreaking at the same time is the way she's like a beaten, broken and somewhat frightened animal in a cage in the scenes in her cell. And then she lashes out. Now maybe she's just playing vulnerable to get them to let their guard down so she can kick some ass (in which case, that's my girl! lol) but she really seems beaten down.
I so can't wait for this movie.
For some reason I've warmed to the grillz and the tattoos.
I'm just going to go along with it all.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 14 Jul 2015, 07:39
For some reason I've warmed to the grillz and the tattoos.
I'm just going to go along with it all.
Well it's not like you're given a choice after all. :-\
Don't worry though, it will be worth it when Batman beats the everlasting crap out of that tattooed freak. 8)
Here's the high-res copy of the trailer that was released today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLLQK9la6Go (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLLQK9la6Go)
Looks very depressing and ominous. I can't wait to see Batman make his cameo appearance.
I think this version of the character will be as good as the others, namely Romero and Nicholson. I think he'll be more twisted than Ledger's too, but more themed on humour.
For example, the goons dressed up as pandas machine gunning people inside a building. Something utterly horrific being made into a joke. I mean, I couldn't help but laugh at that scene. And there's a guy shooting up people while wearing an animated Batman mask. Which could be the Joker himself?
Even with Leto's scene at the end of this trailer, he has a face of glee. He's absolutely enjoying what he does. That's an important aspect for me, and I found it lacking in TDK. He seems more energetic than Ledger.
Judging from the bizarre costumes that the Joker's goons wear as they raid Arkham Asylum (or if not that, some other institution), the sense of humour is there, but it's extremely dark. I wouldn't rule out the possibility that Leto's Joker tattoos a smile on a victim's face. I guess it would make a better visual gag than a Glasgow smile.
This movie looks relentless. Lots of people get chopped down by gunfire from what I saw. It'll still be PG-13, but I won't be surprised if this movie ends up being controversial for its bleak subject matter.
I'm not familiar with Deadshot in the comics other than reading him as a contract killer for hire in one story, but I assume this film will take ideas from Arrow's portrayal, where it's revealed that Deadshot enters a deadly career to secure his daughter's financial future.
The problem to me is the comic isn't all that bleak, so hopefully it has some of it's dark humor. It's a comedy of errors and egos. Some of the situations end up kind of bleak but it still has that humor to it. Except the Future's End or whatever the thing that took place five years in the future is. The SS issue of that was traumatizing.
Know what else is traumatizing? The fact that I posted the officially released trailer two pages back and then TLF posts it again. I knew no one pays attention to me. :( lol
D'awwwwwwwwww
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/07/13/suicide-squad-margot-robbie-jared-leto-rat
I found this utterly stupid video underneath.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/popculture/jared-letos-new-take-on-the-joker-looks-awfully-familiar/vi-AAcY7Et
It's just slamming Leto's Joker based on a supposed" lack of originality" - despite the fact the movie won't be out for another year. All because they're comparing the part where he says "I'm not gonna hurt you" in the trailer to what Jack Nicholson said to his wife in The Shining. But really, the end of the video proves it's just an excuse to praise TDK's Joker by showing the scene where he makes that idiotic, pseudo-intellectual monologue about "gravity" before he gets arrested...and possibly keeps his mouth shut while Batman covers up the whole Dent ordeal for eight years. Yeah, great villain. ::) And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a portion of TDK's Joker dialogue copied from Fritz Lang?
Seriously, it's petty rubbish like this that make me wonder if some people out there desperately want to see the DC film universe fail. The pathetic initial over-reaction to Ben Affleck's casting is another example.
That does sound really dumb Laughing Fish, and whatever the detractors say I'm currently really enthused about Ben Affleck's Batman and Jared Leto's Joker. Of all the major actors to play Batman and the Joker in a live-action film, Affleck and Leto, based on the footage I've seen, come closest to embodying the look and feel of the comic-book characters to me, give or take the Joker's, admittedly unnecessary tats.
That said, if TDK Joker was apprehended and sent to Arkham surely it wouldn't be too difficult to stop him from blabbing to anyone about Harvey Dent's fall from grace. :-\
I like what I'm seeing and even with the tattoos and the metal teeth, Leto's Joker is looking like, well, the Joker. And that's refreshing to me ;)
Excited to see this for the other Bat-universe characters- Harley, Deadshot, Killer Croc, Katana.
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Wed, 15 Jul 2015, 15:49
That does sound really dumb Laughing Fish, and whatever the detractors say I'm currently really enthused about Ben Affleck's Batman and Jared Leto's Joker.
I wouldn't say Ben Affleck was ever an actor I've admired, but I just don't get the hatred for him. It might have something to do with him being a political loudmouth or something.
A lot of the criticism against him is mainly because of Gigli (which I've never really seen except for a scene where Al Pacino delivers a terrible monologue while murdering someone) and Daredevil (which I didn't think he was that bad in it). He has improved quite a bit for the last decade, doing a great job as George Reeves in Hollywoodland, quite good as the clueless manipulated husband in Gone Girl, and of course The Town and Argo - the two films he directed. Nonetheless, those two films I've seen make me believe that he's a better director than actor, and I can't help but think it's possible he had some story input for Dawn of Justice. That makes me quietly confident that the film will turn out good.
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Wed, 15 Jul 2015, 15:49
Of all the major actors to play Batman and the Joker in a live-action film, Affleck and Leto, based on the footage I've seen, come closest to embodying the look and feel of the comic-book characters to me, give or take the Joker's, admittedly unnecessary tats.
I can agree with you about Affleck so far. Can't help but feel it's a big call about Leto though. But then again, he doesn't have a disfigured mouth like Jack's Joker did, so you might be onto something. I'm not a fan of the tattoos either, but if I can be objective for a moment, Leto's Joker aesthetics is no more a departure than other previous Batman film villains that we've seen over the past twenty odd years.
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Wed, 15 Jul 2015, 15:49
That said, if TDK Joker was apprehended and sent to Arkham surely it wouldn't be too difficult to stop him from blabbing to anyone about Harvey Dent's fall from grace. :-\
Or quite possibly, he was killed by the SWAT team immediately after Batman left? Otherwise, I find it a little hard to believe that the "unstoppable force of nature" that had a plan for everything and a master who got into people's heads could be restrained so easily in the end. Unfortunately, we'll never know what happened. Either way, doesn't matter. No need to complain about the past, the footage should inspire to look forward to the future.
Anyway, I don't know too much about Katana, but I thought she's normally a hero, a member of the Outsiders and served as a side-kick in Beware the Batman.
I've been hearing some fans theorize that Jason Todd (The 2nd Robin) is the victim that the Joker is about to torture. However, I have a different theory. I believe that the victim the Joker is about to torture at the end of the trailer is non other than Harleen Quinzel. Here's why, if you pause at the 2:18 mark of the trailer you will see Harleen strapped to a table with her mouth gagged while the Joker is leaning down on her. It's obvious that he is going to torture her using electric shock. The room is also the same as the room at the end of the trailer and if you pause at the 2:43 mark and look very carefully down you can see a snippet of Harleen's glasses. So, It's possible to assume that Joker will torture Harleen which will causes her to become Harley Quinn.
I agree THE BAT-MAN. The lighting and location look the same in the shot where the Joker is leaning forward into the camera as it is in the side shot of the Joker leaning down on a table-strapped Harley Quinn.
So you think in this case Harleen Quinzel will become Harley Quinn as a result of trauma? I know some people will disagree because it potentially robs Harley of agency but I kind of like this idea because it partly exonerates, or at least provides a sympathetic explanation, for Harley's craziness. I like Harleen Quinzel's background as a working class city girl who got a gymnastic scholarship and successfully made her way into psychiatric medicine. It's an admirable biography so I appreciate anything that explains and partly mitigates Harley's psychotic, lethal behaviour (much in the same way Selina Kyle being pushed out of a high-rise building in 'Batman Returns', not to mention the perpetual bullying she has suffered, provides a partial defence for her decision to become a 'crazy Catwoman').
I thought it was obvious it's Harleen. I actually said as much on the last page but once again nobody listens to the crazy woman so I think I'll just give myself a bath right here and give you all dirty looks.
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Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Tue, 14 Jul 2015, 14:08This movie looks relentless. Lots of people get chopped down by gunfire from what I saw. It'll still be PG-13, but I won't be surprised if this movie ends up being controversial for its bleak subject matter.
I was thinking, if another comic book movie is going to evoke the dark, twisted fun of Batman Returns, this may be it. Margot Robbie may put in the best female comic book performance since Michelle Pfeiffer too.
A brand new cover of Leto's Joker for Empire Magazine has been leaked, together with a scanned image of Harley and Joker talking face to face.
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Source: http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/625993-new-joker-photos-from-suicide-squad#/slide/1
I still think that Leto would look perfect if it weren't for the overkill of tattoos. Oh well.
I'm liking this more and more.
You know, based on what I've read about Leto's commitment to this role, I think he could've gone beyond Ledger. Apparently Leto remained in character the whole time, to the point Will Smith said he has never met Jared Leto, only The Joker. He also bought fellow cast members disgusting gifts. Bullets to Smith, a dead rat to Margot and a dead hog to the crew. That's pretty messed up.
Hopefully it translates into an unhinged and funny performance.
Margot's rat was alive. She kept it as a pet.
Quote from: Catwoman on Mon, 26 Oct 2015, 16:14
Margot's rat was alive. She kept it as a pet.
Oops. Good thing I was wrong!
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 26 Oct 2015, 13:01
I'm liking this more and more.
You know, based on what I've read about Leto's commitment to this role, I think he could've gone beyond Ledger. Apparently Leto remained in character the whole time, to the point Will Smith said he has never met Jared Leto, only The Joker. He also bought fellow cast members disgusting gifts. Bullets to Smith, a dead rat to Margot and a dead hog to the crew. That's pretty messed up.
Hopefully it translates into an unhinged and funny performance.
I certainly hope so. And of course I have high hopes for Will Smith and Margot Robbie to do great performances.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 27 Oct 2015, 01:59
Quote from: Catwoman on Mon, 26 Oct 2015, 16:14
Margot's rat was alive. She kept it as a pet.
Oops. Good thing I was wrong!
Yup. Even though keeping a dead rat the Joker gave her sounds more Harley-y than keeping a live one. :P
I read some report where the blogger (and that's what he is) quoted people concerned for Leto's mental stability. I'm not sure if that's hype or if investing himself into this character really has cost Leto something. I'll be honest though, I never would've thought Jordan Catalano had it in him so good on him if he manages it.
New trailer for Suicide Squad is to be shown on the CW this Tuesday Jan 19th.
Will we get more of The Joker or still keep him a bit of the mystery? We'll soon find out....
Quote from: Grissom on Thu, 14 Jan 2016, 13:01
New trailer for Suicide Squad is to be shown on the CW this Tuesday Jan 19th.
Will we get more of The Joker or still keep him a bit of the mystery? We'll soon find out....
Exciting!
Wait that's five days away. sh*t.
Oh well still exciting.
It's here!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CamiIaT4xQk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CamiIaT4xQk)
Good.
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Quote from: Max Shreck on Wed, 20 Jan 2016, 08:46Good.
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If this the kind of thing we're all gonna be doing, then fine, I'll go ahead, I don't like that Harley's gonna be thrown in chemicals, or Superman's attitude in the BvS trailers. I am more often a DC fan and it was the first thing I started watching, but generalizing because they don't like it and blaming them for not responding with bad remarks towards a pretty good trailer isn't winning DC fans anymore points than DC haters. Why does there have to be antagonism on either side? I'm sure we can all be better than that. I'm sorry for my aggressive remarks.
God bless you! God bless everyone!
Max Shreck is a good guy (not the film Shreck, but the poster ;) ) so I doubt he was being tribal and attacking the critics. I am as sceptical as anyone about the current DCEU and I get on well with him.
For what it's worth I really liked this trailer although I am mighty disappointed that Harley hasn't got her New Jersey accent. :( It's odd because Margot Robbie did such a great Jersey Girl voice in 'The Wolf of Wall Street'. [giveup]
Quote from: Max Shreck on Wed, 20 Jan 2016, 08:46
Good.
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lol.
Reposting from Youtube because...well, just because. Let's just say it's too epic to only have once.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmRih_VtVAs
I love that they used "Bohemian Rhapsody" here after having the opera singer doing "I Started a Joke" in the teaser.
I totally adore Margot's Harley already. And it looks like, based off the part with her in the pool and the colors starting to swirl around her that we're going to get an explicit (and probably super disturbing) version of her origin. Can't waaaaaaaaaait.
And if y'all only knew what the voices in MY head say.... ;)
It seems like Will's Deadshot is set up to be a tragic anti-hero. If I had to guess and I'm not really stepping out too far on a limb here, we see him with is wife and daughter with Christmas presents in the trailer. I assume something very bad happens to them and that starts the Deadshot thing.
I like this trailer better than the gloomy Comic Con one. Should be a fun movie.
Quote from: Catwoman on Wed, 20 Jan 2016, 11:20
It seems like Will's Deadshot is set up to be a tragic anti-hero. If I had to guess and I'm not really stepping out too far on a limb here, we see him with is wife and daughter with Christmas presents in the trailer. I assume something very bad happens to them and that starts the Deadshot thing.
Your guess reminds me of the Punisher's backstory.
So be it, Dagenspear. You have your opinion, and we have ours... :)
To each, their own.
really enjoyed the new trailer, it just seems fresh, truly different and unique than the usual superhero films we have been getting.
Same goes for BvS, it's different, and I'm grateful for WB/DC taking their property seriously.
I was in the middle of working a 16 hour shift when I first saw this trailer. Even went to work tired, but honestly, seeing that kinda re-energized me. Looks like alot of fun, and yeah, Margot Robbie's Harley is aces.
Might have to make some Leto Joker GIF's pretty soon.... ;)
And don't forget some Margot Harley GIFs while you're at it... :)
Quote from: Max Shreck on Wed, 20 Jan 2016, 15:32
And don't forget some Margot Harley GIFs while you're at it... :)
Never would forget about pumpkin' pie. ;D
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Good, Mr. Joker. :)
These four new Empire Magazine covers were released months ago, but I don't think anybody posted them yet, so here is the link underneath.
Source: http://movieweb.com/suicide-squad-characters-photos-joker-empire-cover/
Here are the first couple of posters:
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Source: http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/SuicideSquadPoster-181c2.jpg
I love 'em!
There's a great picture of a DC Entertainment model of Harley Quinn at this link:
http://www.superherohype.com/news/363663-harley-quinn-statue#/slide/1 (http://www.superherohype.com/news/363663-harley-quinn-statue#/slide/1)
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Rock and roll. Or roll and rock, take your pick.
It's good to have a film universe where Killer Croc actually looks like a crocodile. I shiver to think what Nolan would've given us.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 24 Jan 2016, 08:09Rock and roll. Or roll and rock, take your pick.
It's good to have a film universe where Killer Croc actually looks like a crocodile. I shiver to think what Nolan would've given us.
I don't think he wouldn't given it at all. And I don't see what's wrong with that.
God bless you! God bless everyone!
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Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 24 Jan 2016, 08:09Rock and roll. Or roll and rock, take your pick.
It's good to have a film universe where Killer Croc actually looks like a crocodile. I shiver to think what Nolan would've given us.
I don't think he wouldn't given it at all. And I don't see what's wrong with that.
God bless you! God bless everyone!
Despite not having superpowers Batman is steeped in fantasy and imagination both as a character and an entity. The Bat universe I mean. And for the filmmaker tasked with doing movies about Batman (a big responsibility) to shed the imagination that makes characters like Killer Croc, Mr. Freeze, and Poison Ivy (among so many others) great amazing and believable characters and lets a person use their imagination (something that is already slowly dying) is wrong. No fanboy is going to ever convince me that Nolan ignoring and in ways harming, see this is where the responsibility part comes in as the anointed "Keeper of the Bat," the fantastic elements of Batman is anything but a travesty and a disgrace to the character, the Batman universe, and the fans.
Wow Kitty's profound again. lol
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Quote from: Dagenspear on Sun, 24 Jan 2016, 09:24
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 24 Jan 2016, 08:09Rock and roll. Or roll and rock, take your pick.
It's good to have a film universe where Killer Croc actually looks like a crocodile. I shiver to think what Nolan would've given us.
I don't think he wouldn't given it at all. And I don't see what's wrong with that.
God bless you! God bless everyone!
If Nolan couldn't convey all the characters in the Batman universe, there lies an issue in his approach.
Quote from: Catwoman on Sun, 24 Jan 2016, 12:27Despite not having superpowers Batman is steeped in fantasy and imagination both as a character and an entity. The Bat universe I mean. And for the filmmaker tasked with doing movies about Batman (a big responsibility) to shed the imagination that makes characters like Killer Croc, Mr. Freeze, and Poison Ivy (among so many others) great amazing and believable characters and lets a person use their imagination (something that is already slowly dying) is wrong. No fanboy is going to ever convince me that Nolan ignoring and in ways harming, see this is where the responsibility part comes in as the anointed "Keeper of the Bat," the fantastic elements of Batman is anything but a travesty and a disgrace to the character, the Batman universe, and the fans.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 24 Jan 2016, 18:24If Nolan couldn't convey all the characters in the Batman universe, there lies an issue in his approach.
That's a limited viewpoint. Any director can develop any style when dealing with the character and the stories that they want. They aren't obligated to do anything and to call the absence of some of those characters a disgrace is an insult to the character of Batman and the rest of his world.
God bless you! God bless everyone!
It's hilarious that you're the one saying it's okay to omit a huge part of Batman, and superheroes in general, by ignoring the fantasy element (therefore limiting the characters and stories to tell) and yet WE'RE the ones with the limited viewpoint.
Nice try, but it's obvious you're a Nolan fanboy with blinders on. I'm done with you.
Batman has seventy seven years of comic-books to draw from, some of which were gritty, others of which were very fantastical, and some which were a blend between the two extremes. Likewise, filmmakers are entitled to choose one of these various types of styles in bringing Batman to life, and although all of these approaches are entirely valid that doesn't mean they can all represent the entire panoply of Batman characters and tropes.
Thus the Burton approach is as valid as the Schumacher approach which is as valid as the Nolan approach, and so on.
Choosing to focus on a particular set of characters is one thing. Actually being unable to use a particular set of characters, as they are in the comics, is a whole other kettle of fish.
Nolan made a trilogy and he utilised the characters that did feature, well. He didn't necessarily need to create a universe in which characters like Man-Bat or Clayface, for instance, could exist.
Quote from: Catwoman on Sun, 24 Jan 2016, 19:08It's hilarious that you're the one saying it's okay to omit a huge part of Batman, and superheroes in general, by ignoring the fantasy element (therefore limiting the characters and stories to tell) and yet WE'RE the ones with the limited viewpoint.
Nice try, but it's obvious you're a Nolan fanboy with blinders on. I'm done with you.
I like all versions of Batman. And none of them are bad. Please don't try to justify your own lacking of an open mind by accusing me of false claims.
God bless you! God bless everyone!
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Sun, 24 Jan 2016, 21:03Nolan made a trilogy and he utilised the characters that did feature, well. He didn't necessarily need to create a universe in which characters like Man-Bat or Clayface, for instance, could exist.
Thank you. That's what I was saying. Those elements don't automatically define the character. There are several different versions and they're all just as viable as the other. Burton, Schumacher, Nolan and TAS.
God bless you! God bless everyone!
Nolan did his own take on the characters just as Burton did, and suffice to say I prefer the latter. Batman is not a character meant to be grounded in "reality" for me.
I'd like it if we could stop arguing and all just agree to disagree in this instance. :-\
Everyone has their own preferences, but I do gather that practically every poster, particularly the regulars, here likes the Tim Burton Batman movies.
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Mon, 25 Jan 2016, 04:54
I'd like it if we could stop arguing and all just agree to disagree in this instance. :-\
Everyone has their own preferences, but I do gather that practically every poster, particularly the regulars, here likes the Tim Burton Batman movies.
I don't think anyone is arguing, we're just stating different opinions on the films. If there is to be arguing, it will not come from my side.
Quote from: Max Shreck on Mon, 25 Jan 2016, 05:23I don't think anyone is arguing, we're just stating different opinions on the films. If there is to be arguing, it will not come from my side.
Sorry Max, I wasn't referring to you. :)
Apology accepted.
Now, let's get this back to Suicide Squad, shall we?
Other than Harley obviously, I love Croc, and the idea of a team of villains working for the government is promising.
Will Deadshot overshadow everyone though because he's being played by Big Will? :-\
Probably for people who aren't really familiar with the characters, he's the main star attraction.
But that isn't a bad thing. And no, I don't think he will overshadow his co-stars. I could be wrong of course, but it's not a worry.
https://youtu.be/Tln7fj62Q1A
First Int'l TV Spot for Suicide Squad.
Quote from: Max Shreck on Mon, 25 Jan 2016, 06:32
Probably for people who aren't really familiar with the characters, he's the main star attraction.
But that isn't a bad thing. And no, I don't think he will overshadow his co-stars. I could be wrong of course, but it's not a worry.
The Joker always manages to be the centre of attention, regardless of how much screentime he has. Though while I think Leto will grab attention, I think Suicide Squad will mostly be all about Harley. I mainly see this as her film. Her first live action debut, with The Joker's component here connecting to Harley as well obviously. The trailers suggest to me this could be a scene stealing performance in the vein of Pfieffer, being allowed to strut her stuff in a manic way but also bringing across the tragedy of her descent into madness.
You have a good point, TDK, I forgot about Leto when I made that post. And speaking of Harley...
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Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 27 Jan 2016, 22:53
The Joker always manages to be the centre of attention, regardless of how much screentime he has. Though while I think Leto will grab attention, I think Suicide Squad will mostly be all about Harley. I mainly see this as her film.
Going off the trailers, it's fair to assume that. Even if we include magazine articles and what not, we get that Harley's arc within the film will include her introduction to the Joker as Dr. Harleen Quinzel, evidently her New52 transformation dip, her relationship/rivalry with the Joker, and of course her being a member of the Suicide Squad. It's a juicy role for sure, and even though Will Smith's Deadshot will no doubt be a up front and center protagonist, Harley, again going off the trailers, certainly leans towards her being a equally up front and center protagonist as well. Hopefully Margot will do very well, and so far, she's looking just swell!
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It's really going to be interesting how Joker is used in the film (and how he escapes). The Joker could be the link that connects several other properties of the DC Universe, but we'll see.
I've been looking at these Suicide Squad movie collectibles online, and I've noticed that Leto's Joker has an old-school looking Batman logo tattooed on his left bicep, with what seems to be a knife sticking through it.
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Those collectables are superb.
It's just a shame that Leto's Joker is covered in so many tattoos. If it wasn't for them I'd say he was the most physically perfect Joker we've yet seen on screen (in fact, he'll probably still be that but I could still have done without all the tats).
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You have a good point, TDK, I forgot about Leto when I made that post. And speaking of Harley...
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I freaking adore her. Gah.
Love the statue of her with one obvious exception I won't mention lol.
Reshoots are reportedly underway to make the film more fun following the criticisms surrounding BvS's "bleakness".
Source: http://screencrush.com/suicide-squad-reshoots-fun/
Ehhh I don't know about this. If it makes it better great but this just gives the fanboy critics who want everything to be darker than dark because it makes their balls feel bigger ammunition against the movie. Maybe they shouldn't have publicized it, not that they could have kept it a secret I guess but oh well.
I just hope this doesn't push back the movie at all if they have issues.
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Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Fri, 1 Apr 2016, 12:37
Reshoots are reportedly underway to make the film more fun following the criticisms surrounding BvS's "bleakness".
Source: http://screencrush.com/suicide-squad-reshoots-fun/
I have a lot of faith in this film, and judging from the trailers, it already looks like it will feature a fair bit of humour.
But I hope the makers won't feel pressured to shoehorn in anything just to respond to the BvS critics, seeing as Suicide Squad is effectively complete.
I can understand, and even endorse, filmmakers responding to criticisms during writing/pre-production on a film, but it always concerns me when a film undergoes reshoots as it comes across as panicking.
Whatever else one says about Snyder's BvS, I do like his comment 'It is what it is'. I also like that he did get to make the movie he wanted to make, and that it's presumably his personal vision, which is apparently more than can be said for last year's Fantastic Four, going by the nasty pre-release Tweets posted by its director Josh Trank, in which he attacked the studio.
I don't believe the rumors around the reasons for the re-shoot. But who knows?
Supposedly the reshoots are for something that was planned ages ago. Due to an actors schedule they have only been able to do them now.
Quote from: Paul (ral) on Sat, 2 Apr 2016, 20:58
Supposedly the reshoots are for something that was planned ages ago. Due to an actors schedule they have only been able to do them now.
Must be Will lol.
Quote from: Paul (ral) on Sat, 2 Apr 2016, 20:58
Supposedly the reshoots are for something that was planned ages ago. Due to an actors schedule they have only been able to do them now.
You might be right - Jai Courtney has confirmed they're reshooting action sequences that were planned some time ago:
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I think there's plenty of [humor] in it. I wouldn't say we're going back to make it funnier, there's some additional action stuff that we've been doing, which is pretty dope. Really we're just kind of adding in that sense.
Source: http://collider.com/suicide-squad-reshoots/
That's cool then.
I reread most of this thread and watched Comic Con trailer and then the real trailer and gosh I'm so excited. Less than 4 months, that will be here before we know it!
As I was driving earlier the classic rock staution I listen to played "Bohemian Rhapsody" which if anyone has forgotten was the trailer song. Got me so effing excited. Plus I just love that song.
Yeah, I used to think about Wayne's World whenever Bohemian Rhapsody would play on the radio.
Not so much anymore.
Just rewatched the trailer again. I LOVE Rick Flagg's "Seriously, the HELL'S wrong with you people." Brings back memories of high school....lol.
Damnit. We could have been the Suicide Squad! Though come to think of it one of those guys did commit suicide so.....yeah....nevermind.
Take this as nothing more than a rumour, but there is speculation that Ben Affleck's Batman role in Suicide Squad is more than a cameo.
I still don't think he'll play too much of a prominent part in the film, but I predict that he'll appear in a couple of flashback sequences for some villain backstories. If he does play a part in the present day within the film, who knows, it might be during the third act? We'll wait and see.
Source: http://comicbook.com/dc/2016/04/08/rumor-suicide-squad-to-have-more-batman-than-expected/
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Sat, 9 Apr 2016, 15:38
Take this as nothing more than a rumour, but there is speculation that Ben Affleck's Batman role in Suicide Squad is more than a cameo.
I still don't think he'll play too much of a prominent part in the film, but I predict that he'll appear in a couple of flashback sequences for some villain backstories. If he does play a part in the present day within the film, who knows, it might be during the third act? We'll wait and see.
Source: http://comicbook.com/dc/2016/04/08/rumor-suicide-squad-to-have-more-batman-than-expected/
I like the sound of that
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Sat, 9 Apr 2016, 15:38
Take this as nothing more than a rumour, but there is speculation that Ben Affleck's Batman role in Suicide Squad is more than a cameo.
I still don't think he'll play too much of a prominent part in the film, but I predict that he'll appear in a couple of flashback sequences for some villain backstories. If he does play a part in the present day within the film, who knows, it might be during the third act? We'll wait and see.
Source: http://comicbook.com/dc/2016/04/08/rumor-suicide-squad-to-have-more-batman-than-expected/
I think it was confirmed somewhere the Batman/Joker/Harley chase was set in current day. And the Batmobile guns are off, too, suggesting Batman has softened his stance following Superman's death.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 10 Apr 2016, 09:17I think it was confirmed somewhere the Batman/Joker/Harley chase was set in current day. And the Batmobile guns are off, too, suggesting Batman has softened his stance following Superman's death.
I think that would be a smart direction to take the character in. As things stand now, it doesn't make much sense for the Joker to be alive. If Batman's willing to kill no-name mooks, why not waste the Joker while he's at it? Especially after what he did to Robin.
If Batman were to adopt a 'no kill' policy now, that would open up the potential for bringing in the Red Hood as a future adversary. If Red Hood were to show up at the moment, there wouldn't be much cause for moral disagreement between him and Batman. But if Batman renounces his lethal methods, then he would have a compelling reason to try and inspire Jason to do likewise. And since we know this Batman is capable of killing, it would make his future struggles to resist doing so all the more intense. Joker and Red Hood could both taunt him about his moral weakness, trying to provoke him into killing again. There's a lot of dramatic mileage they could get out of that.
On a broader note, I believe there's meant to be some new Suicide Squad footage debuting on the MTV Movie Awards tonight.
New trailer looks great. I'm still not a fan of the tattoos, but I'm loving what Leto is doing. Also, Batman looks cool here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3twy2AL1LI
HELL YES!
God I am in LOVE with Margot's Harley! She reminds me of me a bit actually lol with what she says to El Diablo at the end. The rest of them look so great too.
This is going to be so amazing.
Also more good trailer music with You Don't Own Me. :)
Dug the trailer!
I do find it kinda funny, that the trailers for Suicide Squad has now used two songs from the Wayne's World soundtrack. Bohemian Rhapsody and The Ballroom Blitz. Though with the latter, it's the Sweet version, and not the Tia Carrera one (which I like as well, but that's me). ;)
A lot to take in. Margot's Harley looks to be a scene stealer, as we already suspected.
Leto's Joker looks like a scary force of nature as well.
Great trailer. Looks darkly comedic.
I have a hunch that critics will hate it though.
It does seem to me that Affleck's Batman will have a bigger role than first thought, as well.
Maybe it wax Affleck who's schedule didn't let them shoot the extra scenes til now. Probably not though.
"I'm known to be quite vexing, I'm just forewarning you." "You die." "*pout*"
;D
Love how they mention Superman in the film, and in the past tense. He's not forgotten, but is still being doubted!
"All that chitchats gonna getcha hurt."
I'm going to eat up this Joker. Charismatic and intimidating. My kind of guy.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 11 Apr 2016, 09:19
I'm going to eat up this Joker. Charismatic and intimidating. My kind of guy.
His laughter reminds me a little bit like Mark Hamill's.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 11 Apr 2016, 09:19
Love how they mention Superman in the film, and in the past tense. He's not forgotten, but is still being doubted!
I personally think that was a mistake.
If this film is going to be a success, and chances are it will be assuming it's any good (which I suspect it is), it will need to distance itself from the previous DCEU films.
I suppose acknowledging Superman's presence isn't fatal but I hope there are no explicit references to BvS, otherwise SS could end up alienating a large swathe of the audience.
Plus, it's quite clear from the ramped-up comedy tone of the trailer that WB is now trying to differentiate the forthcoming film as much as possible from MOS and BvS.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Mon, 11 Apr 2016, 10:42
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 11 Apr 2016, 09:19
I'm going to eat up this Joker. Charismatic and intimidating. My kind of guy.
His laughter reminds me a little bit like Mark Hamill's.
There's an old hag laugh in there which also works a treat.
Well, more Batman than expected, this is good. Leto will surely prove wrong all those who were eager to jump on the hate bandwagon. This "damaged" on the forehead, however, still looks stupid. What were they thinking.
Really can't wait to see Leto's Joker interacting with Affleck's Batman.
Should be alot of fun!
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I'm looking forward to the dialogue, given no other live action Batman/Joker duo had a relationship built up over time. B89 and TDK both featured a new Joker, meeting Batman for the first time.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 12 Apr 2016, 08:16
I'm looking forward to the dialogue, given no other live action Batman/Joker duo had a relationship built up over time. B89 and TDK both featured a new Joker, meeting Batman for the first time.
Good point!
I'm making a prediction.
The film ends with Batman chasing Joker and Harley, as seen in the trailers. Joker drives off the cliff, and Batman jumps after them. He rescues Harley, and has her locked up. But the Joker is presumed dead, ala the comics, to reappear at another time.
I had thought those scenes were earlier in the movie, now I'm afraid this movie is going to have her stand on her own two feet for a while, then turn on the Squad and go back to J like a desperate little lap dog and I f***ing HATE that. It's f***ing 20f***ing16, they can depict a girl breaking the bonds and get away with it.
Quote from: Catwoman on Tue, 12 Apr 2016, 13:10
I had thought those scenes were earlier in the movie, now I'm afraid this movie is going to have her stand on her own two feet for a while, then turn on the Squad and go back to J like a desperate little lap dog and I f***ing HATE that. It's f***ing 20f***ing16, they can depict a girl breaking the bonds and get away with it.
In this instance, I actually agree with Catwoman.
Harley Quinn is a smart, assertive, ultra-athletic woman (a former psychiatrist no less). She doesn't need to be rescued by Batman like some bimbo Ice Princess or Vicki Vale type. She's stronger than that. And to specifically address what Catwoman says, I agree that she shouldn't be going back to The Joker like some pathetic, love-struck moron. To repeat, she's stronger than that. And yeah "it's f***ing 20f***ing16". Quite right!
I hope TDK is wrong in his prediction.
I don't have a problem with Harley going back to The Joker. She's always been in love with him, which is why she looks the way she does. If she wants to break her bond with The Joker, she would have to go back to be more of a normal person, but we know she still has the clown/jester/Joker look to her along with being a villain, so it should be apparent that she still has a love/affinity for him.
As for the Harley/Batman scene, I don't think it'll be at the end, but closer to the beginning. This movie is clearly not going to be linear, as we've already seen both Joker and Harley flashbacks, so I think this movie is going to be jumping around in different periods of time. I think the Batman/Harley scene is a flashback that happened before The Squad gets together. I think the reason why Harley is in Arkham, is because Batman put her there during the chase/water scene. I think The Joker bailed out of his car, and Batman couldn't find him, so he took Harley instead.
But who knows? It's really hard to tell, since we know about flashbacks in this movie, so anything could happen. I mean, we even have a scene of The Joker before he had his tattoos and grill, but then we have scenes with tatted up and grilled Joker with Harleen Quinzel, before she transformed into Harley....so who knows? This movie is all over the place(in a good way).
That's true.
Anyway, I cant say I approve of Jared Leto's version of 'getting into character', sending cast members gross stuff.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 14 Apr 2016, 00:02
That's true.
Anyway, I cant say I approve of Jared Leto's version of 'getting into character', sending cast members gross stuff.
I thought the rat to Margot was gross til she kept it as a pet. Then it was adorable lol
But at the same time, it's hilarious for people outside of the production.
Can't say I'm impressed with Leto taking things too far either.
David Ayer has rubbished the claims about the reshoots were scheduled to insert more humour, and talks about his excitement directing Batman for SS.
Source: http://collider.com/suicide-squad-reshoots-david-ayer-batman/
I take back everything bad I said upon seeing Leto's grillz and tattoos. I'm on board. Fully. I want the record to know that. What I'm really loving with this Joker is how he reflects many different interpretations of the character, while still being completely unique. This comparison demonstrates what I mean perfectly:
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I think Leto's Joker will be my next feature for this site. Hopefully the first draft doesn't get deleted, so I don't have to restart an inferior version of it. Leto seems to have the scary showman side nailed, along with 21st century excess.
Leto is going to knock it out of the park.
Quote from: OutRiddled on Tue, 3 May 2016, 18:07
Leto is going to knock it out of the park.
I'm wondering how much of a 'clown' he is. If he actually has joybuzzers and those things. In recent times these elements have been downgraded, with missiles and guns more emphasised. I'd rather a balance.
Take a look at these props and costumes from the film.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/suicide_squad/get-a-closer-look-at-the-costumes-and-props-from-suicide-squad-a141826
Love that Joker gun.
Rumour (and I stress again, it's only a rumour) has it that Suicide Squad spin-offs are in the works.
Source: http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/warner-bros-dc-multiple-suicide-squad-spinoffs/
Tracking for a $125 million opening in the US.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/box-office-suicide-squad-tracking-911029
It's getting a lot of positive buzz on social media too. It's far too early to make concrete predictions regarding the final box office (we still don't even know the production budget), but I'm getting a positive vibe about this film.
I think releasing the extended cut of BvS at the beginning of August is a smart business move. The improvements in BvS should restore some of the wind to Batfleck's sails and get people hyped for SS. Meanwhile the theatrical release of SS will hopefully boost sales of the BvS Blu-ray. Warner Bros is doing a good job of exploiting the commercial complementarity of the two films.
It's weird how the production budget is unknown. But it would have to be sky high in order for a $125 million opening weekend to not put a major dent in it.
This could really turn things around for WB, at least perception-wise.
The only real drawback to the Suicide Squad is it makes a Secret Six movie rather unlikely. At least for now.
But when you start thinking about the ensemble movies that are possible if Suicide Squad is successful, that makes it all okay. I'd love to see a Legion of Superheroes movie. It'll probably never happen, I know, but I'd love it all the same.
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Yay, I'll be having nightmares now.
I've read an apparent spoiler rundown of Batfleck's scenes.
Sounds GREAT.
These are simply outstanding!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLBWeWSjECQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWIxS9EuwUc
Quote from: The Joker on Thu, 21 Jul 2016, 19:37
These are simply outstanding!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLBWeWSjECQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWIxS9EuwUc
This is looking more and more like the best DCEU film to date. I think it could be the first one the critics really get behind too.
It could do more than that. It might inspire WB to take risks with movies done on smaller budgets featuring more obscure characters. Sure, do the big stuff with the big icons. But they can also make, say, Sandman Mystery Theatre. Or the Spectre. A real Swamp Thing movie. Or Jonah Hex, for that matter. Lobo, there's another one.
Probably not Secret Six because that seems a bit too similar to Suicide Squad. Right down to the initials, even.
But Suicide Squad being successful opens the door to a lot of other stuff.
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 21 Jul 2016, 20:59
I think it could be the first one the critics really get behind too.
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There's a chance, but don't be disappointed or surprised if it gets hammered.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri, 22 Jul 2016, 01:49(https://67.media.tumblr.com/2463f4e656344219e5042fdc1bbbad78/tumblr_oaou6cqy9E1trnw66o7_250.gif)
There's a chance, but don't be disappointed or surprised if it gets hammered.
There is reason for hope. This is the first DCEU movie not directed by Snyder. The instant it comes out, the DCEU won't be just his baby and nobody else's. Critics are basically stupid people who couldn't cut it anywhere else in journalism (which is really saying a lot when you think about it) so they write about film. The fact that this movie doesn't say "Directed by Zack Snyder" in the opening credits will change the game for many of them, even if they're not aware of it.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Fri, 22 Jul 2016, 07:19
There is reason for hope. This is the first DCEU movie not directed by Snyder. The instant it comes out, the DCEU won't be just his baby and nobody else's. Critics are basically stupid people who couldn't cut it anywhere else in journalism (which is really saying a lot when you think about it) so they write about film. The fact that this movie doesn't say "Directed by Zack Snyder" in the opening credits will change the game for many of them, even if they're not aware of it.
That's true - whether or not it's going to be admitted by people, Zack Snyder does get a hard time from the critics for simply being Zack Snyder. Which is a shame, because the guy is awesome. To the extent I'm calling him the modern day Burton. Put that in your pipe and smoke it haterz!
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 21 Jul 2016, 21:48
It could do more than that. It might inspire WB to take risks with movies done on smaller budgets featuring more obscure characters. Sure, do the big stuff with the big icons. But they can also make, say, Sandman Mystery Theatre. Or the Spectre. A real Swamp Thing movie. Or Jonah Hex, for that matter. Lobo, there's another one.
Probably not Secret Six because that seems a bit too similar to Suicide Squad. Right down to the initials, even.
But Suicide Squad being successful opens the door to a lot of other stuff.
I hope they do start producing some smaller budgeted films. For one thing, it puts less pressure on them at the box office. But it also opens up the potential for riskier ventures. Marvel's got Netflix for its R-rated properties, and it'd be great if DC had a similar outlet for their more adult content. I'm not for one minute suggesting every DC film should be R-rated, because the vast majority of their comics don't warrant that. But it would be nice if they at least had the option when it came to adapting darker material like Swamp Thing or The Spectre.
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Fri, 22 Jul 2016, 21:31
I'm not for one minute suggesting every DC film should be R-rated, because the vast majority of their comics don't warrant that. But it would be nice if they at least had the option when it came to adapting darker material like Swamp Thing or The Spectre.
Wild Dog.
DC/WB .... do it!
I hope all the DC films have a dark undercurrent to them. Or a sense of intensity at least. Marvel can do their shtick and DC will strike out on their own. Suicide Squad seems to have more visual creativity and spunk than the average MCU McDonald's assembly line. Cue the disgust and MCU appreciation society coming at me with pitchforks. But you aren't changing the way I think or feel.
I'm still not crazy about the tattoos, but I'm glad Joker and Harley Quinn look like this...
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....as opposed to this.
(https://www.batman-online.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcostumei.com%2Fpictures%2F2013%2F05%2FHarley-Quinn-And-The-Joker-In-Batman.jpg&hash=9f112fe82ba6023c68ae80ff0a4bc5163966ecad)
That fake Harley is so about to get knifed in the stomach. You can tell.
And I totally agree.
I think the manipulative side of the Joker is going to be presented this time, given Harley's presence. A corrupter of souls. The films haven't really tapped into that facet fully yet. From being a lovesick puppy to being a brutal abuser. Rinse repeat.
Here is a link to an early reaction on the film: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/suicide-squad-review-from-early-viewer-suggests-its-better-than-batman-v-superman-but-theres-not-a7166101.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/suicide-squad-review-from-early-viewer-suggests-its-better-than-batman-v-superman-but-theres-not-a7166101.html)
It strikes me as credible, because although it's positive (8/10), it's also candid about whatever faults the film has.
QuoteOn its general quality:
"I really enjoyed it. There are some pacing issues but the actors cancel that out. Will Smith kills it and so does Margot Robbie. I'd give it an 8/10."
On the worst part of the movie:
"The worst part is just some of the pacing. And I feel like Croc could of had some more lines and back story since we got a lot more for Harley, Deadshot, and Enchantress. The best part is the team together. There's awesome jokes and great chemistry between them."
On the best scene:
"I loved that final fight sequence, Deadshot, Harley and Croc were so awesome in it."
On Jared Leto's Joker:
"To be honest he needs to grow on me more. He's cool but his role isn't huge but it is important in the film. I think once he has more screen time though he's going to be amazing...He comes off more as a mobster in SS than the Joker...He even owns a strip club. But I love his laugh it's so creepy."
On the size of The Flash's cameo:
"He's on screen for like 2 seconds."
On setting up future DC Universe films:
"This movie sets up a much better tone for the future of the DCU than BvS did. It's not as dark and depressing."
On Batman's involvement and whether you actually see Ben Affleck (as opposed to a stuntman):
He does get screen time in the first hour of the movie...It is Affleck you get to see him with out the mask."
On Scott Eastwood's cameo:
"I was so excited to find out and so disappointed to see he was just a random soldier."
On the mid-credits scene:
"That got me so excited. It's a good set up for one of the next movies."
Sounds positive. And as one might hope and expect, the team dynamic and the fight sequences will be the film's biggest assets.
However, it's a shame that Scott Eastwood is simply playing a random soldier, and although I'm looking forward to Jared Leto's Joker, I'm not sure about his depiction as a 'gangster' (a term David Ayers used to describe him in a recent Empire interview) or the fact he owns a strip-club. That sounds more akin to The Penguin than The Joker.
I'm browsing the SHH boards, and all I'm seeing is, "don't make fun of Marvel, they're the best", and "we need to get Nolan back. Nolan! Nolan! Nolan! Nolan!".
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Quote from: Travesty on Tue, 2 Aug 2016, 17:16
I'm browsing the SHH boards, and all I'm seeing is, "don't make fun of Marvel, they're the best", and "we need to get Nolan back. Nolan! Nolan! Nolan! Nolan!".
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Unfortunately, speaking as someone who really wanted this film to succeed, the critical consensus is already looking bad (if not quite BvS bad, yet), with the film covering hovering around the 38% 'rotten' level on the basis of 27 reviews.
The Hollywood Reporter's run a story claiming the production was more fraught and troubled than Warner Bros is letting on: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/suicide-squads-secret-drama-rushed-916693?utm_source=twitter
I assumed they were letting Ayer do his thing, but if this story is true then it looks like the bigwigs at WB may have screwed yet another DC movie with their interference.
How long before the inevitable extended cut DVD release is announced?
It's not panic stations for me yet. I still have to actually see the movie. I didn't agree with the critics regarding BvS, so hopefully that's the case again. We'll see.
This isn't a spoiler, but Jared Leto confirmed that there were several Joker scenes cut from the movie.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/suicide_squad/jared-leto-admits-a-lot-of-his-scenes-as-the-joker-were-cut-from-a144205
Does this mean we need to refer to another Ultimate Edition again?
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Thu, 4 Aug 2016, 12:07
Does this mean we need to refer to another Ultimate Edition again?
I was going to ask the same question, it seemed BvS was filmed with the intention of later releasing a second edition, is that the same here?
I think I'm going to wait until week two to see it.
The way I saw it, the initial critical reviews were scalding, but after the film was released, it became clear that it was more of a mixed response. Will the positive reviews still continue to gain prevalence? Who knows - this is a movie where no type of reaction will deter me from seeing it anyhow.
Quote from: riddler on Thu, 4 Aug 2016, 14:54
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Thu, 4 Aug 2016, 12:07
Does this mean we need to refer to another Ultimate Edition again?
I was going to ask the same question, it seemed BvS was filmed with the intention of later releasing a second edition, is that the same here?
Gosh, DC can only put out blockbuster critical failures with second versions promising amends for so long. Not that I agree with the consensus, but
Just got back from seeing Suicide Squad, and is it as bad as some people are making it out to be?
No.
Actually, I was entertained all throughout the film. The critics comparing Suicide Squad to Josh Trank's Fan4stic really need to lay off snorting Arm & Hammer baking soda for their breakfast, lunch, and dinner meals, because that's just nonsense. Now the edits were a bit glaring since some scenes that's been consistently shown in previews/commercials have been omitted (Joker's line of, "I can't wait to show you my toys." being only one example), but not to an extent where it led me to have a pessimistic view of the film itself by any means. I can easily see how an blu ray/dvd ultimate cut could benefit the film, but do agree that continually doing that comes across as gimmicky, though as successful as BvS has been on Blu ray/DVD, money talks and you know the rest....
Oh yeah, it was sold out for the 10pm showing I went to. No doubt about that.
I saw it.
I was disappointed. Probably would give it a 5 or 6/10.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri, 5 Aug 2016, 09:17
I saw it.
I was disappointed. Probably would give it a 5 or 6/10.
That's bad. You've been a staunch champion of the DCEU so if you don't like it, I don't know what to think. :(
What were your main issues, and are there any elements you do like? What about Harley and the Joker? Are they portrayed as well as you'd like (even if the overall film fails, I was hoping at least that those two characters might work, especially if we ever get a solo Batman film featuring Affleck)?
Also, how does it compare to the other Batman films? Better/worse than the Schumacher and Nolan ones (I'm going to guess that it's much worse than the Burton ones ;) )?
I just got out of it, and I enjoyed it. Granted, it's not the best CBM I've seen, but I had fun watching it. I went in without reading any reviews, and tried to stay away from the hyperbole that I saw being thrown around, but it wasn't horrible. I'm not sure what to think of The Joker? I didn't hate it, but it was definitely a different interpretation.
I guess I'm gonna go and read some reviews now, to see what people were so upset about, but I thought it was a fun watch. If I had to give it a score, maybe something like a 7/10.
My review will lay down the law. I'm not pulling any punches.
I'm not saying anything else until the review is posted.
I can't wait for Paul to upload the review, so here it is below. You get to read it first.
Self harm hampers Suicide Squad
FOR a film that features a bunch of rag-tag convicts, Suicide Squad is safe and straightforward.
The concept of bad versus evil elicited a positive reception from me upon the film's initial announcement.
This optimism continued when the trailers were released.
The optimism soon became genuine hype when the cast and crew spoke about the film in glowing terms.
The demented method acting of new Joker Jared Leto promised something edgy and fresh from all involved.
It seemed like Suicide Squad would make the world sit up and take notice.
I thought exchanging the good guys for bad guys would surely make for an interesting inversion of the usual comic book film genre.
However, the final product represents a missed opportunity.
Suicide Squad has a wafer thin plot, un-engaging action sequences and a poor villain.
It has the odor of trying way too hard with forced eccentricity and edginess that just doesn't hit the mark.
Songs are regularly played throughout the duration of the movie, and with choppy editing, this directorial choice makes the product feel more like a series of individual music videos than a live action film.
It doesn't let the film develop any sense of satisfying or coherent flow, let alone make the film breathe.
The plot is simple to the point of being offensive.
Ultimately, it consists of the squad coming together, walking through abandoned streets, shooting a few enemies, and then having a final fight which is hard to follow given it is largely obscured in darkness.
The villain, Enchantress, is one of the worst foes you will find in any comic book movie.
Her scheme literally boils down to this: Humanity hates me, so I'll build a machine that kills everyone.
That's it.
Video games feature more background and motivation than this.
It is this generic and simple attitude that permeates the whole production.
I could understand all this is a moot point if the squad themselves are entertaining to watch.
But no, the film fumbles this aspect as well.
It's a movie that doesn't truly explore anything to the extent it could and should.
It's all superficial with nothing of note under the surface.
Deadshot is a father, and Diablo killed his wife and kids.
But that's about it.
These characters receive a large amount of screen time as well, with other squad members largely going unnoticed and underdeveloped.
Killer Croc looks cool, but rarely does anything worthy of mention.
Harley Quinn is entertaining to watch at times, but her relationship with the Joker just didn't work for me.
It could have been so much more, but instead it is one note.
The Joker is reduced to being a lovesick puppy who is seeking to reunite with his love throughout the duration of the film.
The Joker as a manipulator and an abuser?
That is nowhere to be found here, which is really disappointing and gutless on behalf of either the filmmakers or the studio.
Harley is seen by the Joker as his property, which is fine.
But here it seems like Leto's Joker genuinely cares and longs for Harley.
If scenes involving domestic violence have been removed for fear of offending the outrage industry, that is a massive disappointment and represents self censoring.
Let the characters be the characters without pandering to the critics, and fearing what they will say in response.
I would not be surprised if the re-shoots restructured the film, removed the 'problem' scenes and left us with this watered down and spineless film.
Make the film you want to make.
Having Jared Leto invest his heart and soul into this production only for the majority of his scenes to be ripped out is both insulting and disheartening.
Deeper themes and moods would have done wonders for the film, and Joker and Harley, but the ball is dropped.
The critics still blasted the film, but not for the reasons they expected.
In that case, hold your nerve and damn the consequences in presenting your vision.
We don't really get a sense of risk or danger with the squad members, or even with the threats they face.
Is it not politically correct for the villains to be villains?
It all lacks a sense of dare, and is instead replaced with forced quirks.
The Joker doesn't have much screen time, but we can only judge what we see.
Leto simply does not compete with Nicholson or Ledger at this stage, which is also disappointing for me to type.
This is not the review I wanted to write.
To type this as a DC fan hurts, but I'm all about expressing how I truly think and feel.
I genuinely believe this film damages the momentum of the new continuity given it doesn't exploit the potential of the concept and, quite frankly, offers nothing for the viewer to really get excited about.
Which is baffling because that was clearly their intent.
It's inexplicable to say Suicide Squad is actually quite a boring movie to watch.
Director Zach Snyder received a critical bashing from reviewers for this year's Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice.
Though in comparison, Snyder gave his creation visual flair, explored a range of interesting themes and actually had decent plot points that intertwined throughout and had dramatic payoff.
Snyder at least had the guts to kill Superman and comment on society at large, whereas Suicide Squad squibs any risk taking.
In many ways, Suicide Squad is the antithesis of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice.
If Suicide Squad represents the new business model going forward, I am concerned.
This time, I agree with the critics in critiquing Suicide Squad.
If all style and no substance is to be issued at a film, it's this one.
It's disheartening to read your review, TDK. By the sound of it, Suicide Squad must've been hampered by studio meddling more so than BvS, because as Jared Leto pointed out, a LOT of scenes were removed from the final cut. Particularly for the Joker.
When i first saw Jared Leto as the Joker i didn't like it, because of the tattoo's and all other stuff going on.
But i was going to watch this movie in the theater, but now that i've read TDK's review i think i'm gonna pass.
I like Man of Steel. I love Batman v Superman. Suicide Squad didn't work for me, but that's life. I am eager for Wonder Woman, and will really get on board with Snyder's Justice League. I still have reason to be enthusiastic about the new universe.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 6 Aug 2016, 13:03
I like Man of Steel. I love Batman v Superman. Suicide Squad didn't work for me, but that's life. I am eager for Wonder Woman, and will really get on board with Snyder's Justice League. I still have reason to be enthusiastic about the new universe.
Who knows, maybe how you feel about Suicide Squad will be the equivalent to how I feel about Iron Man 2, which is in my opinion the worst film in the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe.
I'll still see SS for myself, but I won't get to doing that till next week at this stage.
Definitely see the movie for your yourself. Don't blindly listen to me. You may like it.
Did I like it? Yes. Did I love it? Nope. It's definitely the weakest of the DCEU.
If you folks had major issues with the editing and (supposed lack of) coherence in Batman v Superman, then lolhavefun because the problems are exemplified here. It's choppy. Scenes are cut short just as they're getting interesting and they try to cram in as many flashbacks as possible. It's the sort of thing that may have worked in a longer film, but in a two-hour film with so many characters, certain things get short-changed. The film's biggest problem is that there's very little chemistry between the squad themselves. We're told time and time again that these characters are essentially family, but I didn't buy it. Though Deadshot and Harley had clearly bonded (not surprising because they're the main focus).
If there's one thing I liked most about the film, it's the tone. It's a little messy, a little bipolar, but I think it worked. I have to commend the fact that despite every attempt to lighten the mood - the flashy titles, the constant blaring rock music - it still feels grungy. There's an undercurrent of dark humour throughout but fundamentally, it still feels darker than your average superhero film. It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that the BBFC rated this a 15. There's nothing especially violent or sexual about it, but there's simply something in the feel of it all which is much more fitting to a 15. I can't see how they could cut anything to achieve a 12 and I figure that's why Warners decided to go with it. Well, that and the success of Deadpool.
(I'm showing my Batman fanboy here, but I had a mahoosive grin on my face during Deadshot's introduction when Batman glided into frame. It was like something out of the comics/Animated Series. I also grinned when they showed Harley wearing her traditional outfit).
Other tidbits: Will Smith is shockingly tolerable, the Joker/Harley relationship is as underdeveloped as I feared it would be, Cara Delevingne's wibbly-wobbly Enchantress was like something out of a Schumacher Batflick (and I mean that in a good way), Killer Croc's 'I'm beautiful' line made me laugh, El Diablo was a chav and the film's attempts to make him sympathetic flopped, the soundtrack was good, Amanda Waller is my spirit animal.
I'd probably give it a seven out of ten. As I said, I did like it, but I can very much understand why it's had such negative reviews. This isn't a Batman v Superman situation where I'm like this-film-is-a-masterpiece-and-why-are-people-hating-on-it-you-jokers-must-be-crazy. It's flawed for sure. Hell, it's like the RoboCop 2 of superhero films. There's an abundance of interesting ideas, none of which are really developed to their potential, but it's kinda dark and mean-inspirited and entertaining enough that I enjoyed it for what it was.
Oh, and they gave me a free poster. And the screening was packed! A couple of chicks had even tried to imitate Harley's hair.
My review has a few comments on the Facebook page.
Calvin Prickett
Wow, guys. I... completely agree. I agree with every single word typed. Especially in the pervasive sense of disappointment. This is a tremendously well-written review, too.
Maynard S. Hicks
You f****** nailed it: missed opportunity.
;)
I REALLY enjoyed it. It did have it's problems (what doesn't) but I walked out satisfied. In contrast, I walked out of Batman v Superman conflicted.
Just to throw my 2 cents in for the sheer ... heck of it. :D
I enjoyed this film! However, I would say it's 3rd of the DCEU films for me thus far,
the performances, fun factor, and colorful costumes make it more of a visual treat.
Let's get this out of the way right off the bat, but yeah, the weakness of the film
are the direction/editing, and in some respects, the script. Though compared to
the other two evils, to a much lesser extent.
The direction and editing unfortunately disrupts for the flow and pace of the film. I wouldn't say it's to the extent where it's confusing like some people complained ad nauseam about with the theatrical cut of BvS, but it's just flat out disruptive in the flow. Not to mention all the scenes that's repeatedly highligted in the promotion being completely absent! There are quite a few flashback scenes in the movie, which are often used to provide expositions of characters' backstories in the middle of plot points, action sequences or dramatic builds. Though to be perfectly honest, I thought these were achieved better than the great ones from the animated film, hell while I'm thinking about it this somehow managed to be more DC feeling than the animated film with the amount of stuff they throw in here. There are also some weird and awkward transitions from scene to scene. Alot of this takes place in the beginning of the film where the film tries to establish the characters. To add to this, or to get the viewer more "into" what's going on, there's also a good bit of pop music added along with these scenes, and I would say it's as perfectly blended into the film like the "Ballroom blitz" trailer. Anyway, it's about a good 20 minutes before the actual plot of the film gets going. Easily this could be viewed as a negative, but certainly not a deal breaker either.
The script wasn't particularly strong, but I kinda knew that going in. As noted, the plot and story, is probably on the level of some generic comic books. It's a very basic, Suicide Squad-like plot. I don't think anyone will compare it to be on the same level of great comic book writings, however. It's not a bad thing, especially if you're someone who wants a DCEU break from the heavy-handedness-seriousness of Snyder's direction, I believe this is what the critics, atleast the one's I've bothered to read their reviews, are referring to when it's said there's nothing unique about the plot or script as it's pretty basic.
Also, it's by far the most Marvel like in approach out of all the DCEU films thus far, and it's really up to one's own personal viewpoint if that's a positive or negative. Humor? Yup. There's alot more of that as well. During my screening, Harley got plenty of laughs, Boomerang got a couple, and Deadshot got a few as well. Especially at the end with Deadshot helping his daughter with geometry, and probably the biggest laugh when Deadshot told a particular Squad member to slap his girlfriend on the ass, and tell her to cut this sh*t out.
On the flip side, I found it a fun movie overall. Sure, the script had issues that another turn or two around the typewriter could have fixed, but what we got is not bad by any measure at all. Yeah, it's up to the characters to really carry this thing, but they do carry it, and with considerable style. Harley is perfect. Deadshot's great. Deadshot managed to not entirely be Will Smith so kudos there. Harley needs a solo film stat and Leto's Joker, as much of it we actually see anyways, was serviceable, but I do want to see MORE of him. This Joker came across as more on the "Prince of Crime", and light on the "Clown". Though scenes like Joker & Harley laughing it up in Joker's car, or Joker manically laughing while shooting an automatic weapon is indeed, vintage Joker. With the Joker/Harley relationship, it's perfectly clear just how it is so so very very f*cked up, its actually genuine. Joker and Harley in her classic DCAU costume dancing like on her iconic tango cover was just absolutely lovely, and they, especially by the conclusion of the film, came across very much like the DCEU counterparts to another cinematic psychotic couple, Mickey and Mallory.
One thing I really found fascinating, especially in light of WB wanting to appeal to the Guardians/Deadpool crowd, is in just how willing they were willing to push the clear abuse Harley was going through, especially in the prison, let alone compared to what the Joker did to her. Sure she's biggest baddest melee bruiser of the team that's not wielding a sword that eats souls or being a giant crocodile and yet... every so often they do a shot of her vulnerability that played as so very screwed up to show the broken woman behind her cracked personality. I thought that was done quite well, and was effectively conveyed to the viewer.
All the other members of the cast/team are varying degrees of fine to really really good. Actually, Jay Hernandez as Diablo really made what they gave him work very well and gave probably the best performance in the film. Nice character development for several, some depth and dimension. Granted Croc and Katana were 2nd/3rd tier characters and I get that. Not a problem. Can't give everyone equal screen time. And I'll put Diablo's big moment (not the one from the trailer) up there with any other "f*** yeah!" moment this summer.
Boomer was perfect. As Jai Courtney played Cap Boomerang exactly how I envisioned. Be it testing the waters with Slipknot, trying to grab the guy's rolex after the firefight, playing dead during the ambush, or how he nicks off with the beer the second he's free, only to come back with an expression that says 'yeah, I have no clue about this goddamn city, i'm staying with my meat shields!" Actually, come to think of it, Jai Courtney just needs to play Australian redneck scumbags from here on out.
Viola Davis as Amanda Waller is absolute perfection. Both in terms of performance, and in her arc within the film. Viola was 'the Wall' in every sense of the word and they *nailed* her absolute ruthlessness. Incidentally, I loved that she was working out of the Ostrander building.
Oh, and the Flash and Batman scenes were fun. Especially Batman. This Batman . . . was Batman. From saving a villain from death because ... Batman. To threatening another character in the same fashion as he would in the DCUA, ... great stuff. I also liked the, "I don't want to beat you in front of your daughter." bit as well, but that's just me. :D
Speaking of world building, I really dug how Suicide Squad added to the peoples sentiment and mood towards Superman following his death in BvS. Where there are scenes of people wearing "Remember Superman" shirts, and appear to be looking back at when Superman was still around nostalgically. May be trivial, but hell, I enjoyed it.
Does it have flaws? You bet! Just like alot of other comic book films I could easily go down the line with. Basically to wrap this up, I can see some great potential for a follow-up (if there ever is one), and would be totally down for a sequel. Personally, I enjoyed this far far more than X-Men Apocalypse. Which had decent moments (Quicksilver's "Sweet Dreams are made of this" being the highlight) but was extremely tedious at times as well. Didn't experience that with Sucide Squad. Civil War was a overall better ensemble film, but Marvel movies need to figure out their endings. They tend to get very predictable and it seems to drag on forever towards a very foregone conclusion.
All that said, again, I found the film enjoyable. The casting was great, as these actors carry the film and gives it the charisma, and the fun factor, and thanks to them, drive the film forward. Seeing as how they're the main draw of the film, I'd say that ultimately makes the movie itself is a success, as that means it achieved what it set out to do. Perhaps saying it's more 'Marvel' is the wrong phrase to use when describing Suicide Squad to be perfectly honest, maybe more .... 'Comicbooky'? Be aware, Suicide Squad isn't a deconstructionist venture or a attempt to make things "realistic", and unlike other comic book films in the past, it's also not the least bit emabarrassed of it's source material either. It is what it is. Its not trying to also be some sort of message piece either.
I found there was enough good to outweigh the bad but as always we bow to the wisdom of Dalton;
"Opinions vary."
Gonna be another 2 weeks before I see it. f***ing love those last minute medical expenses.
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The longer things went, the brighter it all got. I'd much prefer to see the movie trailer one presented, instead of gutlessly backtracking their real intent and going back for reshoots.
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The longer things went, the brighter it all got. I'd much prefer to see the movie trailer one presented, instead of gutlessly backtracking their real intent and going back for reshoots.
In DC's defense though you can tell they are trying. Throughout the Nolan trilogy, the problems fans had never got addressed; bat vehicles still had horrendous designs, fight scenes were poorly shot, and Bales voice was still irritating. They are doing reshoots in an attempt to make things better and I have no doubt Batman vs Superman underwhelming caused them to re-evaluate Suicide Squad. They could have also gone the ghosbusters route and decided that anyone who doesn't like their films must not understand properly.
It seems obvious though they are rushing films. There's far too much running around chasing their tales than planning and properly developing a good film. One positive is that Margot Robbie/Harley Quinn is getting heavy praise.
I'll be going tomorrow night and post my review. If you're wondering where I stand on the DCEU I rated Man of Steel 5/10 and Batman v Superman 8 / 10
WB is adapting their approach. They're taking criticism and working with fans as best they can. Unlike some movie studios I could mention, they're not giving fans the middle finger (even though they'd be well within their rights at this point). Instead, they're trying their best to cater to us.
To me, that means something.
I'd strongly argue the product they originally intended would've pleased a lot more fans. This was backtracking to please the critics who would've said it's all too dark and grim. But they were slammed anyway. So F the critics.
This is what Suicide Squad co-creator John Ostrander had to say about the movie:
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"I really liked the film. Not perfect by a long shot, but a really good time in the movie theater. And for me a lot of it was just amazing. The look, the detail, the feel of the film is not something I've seen in superhero movies before."
"Are their problems with the film? Sure. The antagonist(s) are not well defined and, to my mind, you need a good antagonist to help define the protagonist(s). It's the antagonist who usually sets the plot in motion and it is defined by what they want. The story is a little more generic 'we have to save the world' than I usually did; I always liked having one foot squarely in reality."
"I also liked having a political and/or social edge in my 'Squad' stories. That would also give a greater feel of reality and I don't see that here."
"That said, my artistic DNA is all over the place. This is 'The Dirty Dozen' with supervillains and that's my concept. They did that and did it well."
"I know some of the critics, both in print and online, do not like the movie. That's okay; everyone has a right to their own opinion even when it's wrong. My problem is that, at least with some of the media reviews, is that the critic is also tired of superhero and 'tentpole' films and, overtly or covertly, would like to see their end. Look, I get it -- they have to see all the films out there and they must be tired of all the blockbusters."
"If every superhero film is not [expletive], they'll bitch. I think that's going on here to a certain degree. Just as I came prepared to love the movie, they came prepared to hate it," he said. He then referred to his late wife Kim Yale, who was a movie critic for a small Chicago newspaper, saying, "Don't tell me that some of the critics didn't come with pre-conceived attitudes to some films. I know better. I saw and heard it."
"As for some of the online haters -- if a film doesn't fit their pre-conceived notion, it is wrong. Female 'Ghostbusters,' a black Deadshot, Ben Affleck as Batman (Affleck, by the way, does cameos as both Batman and Bruce Wayne in 'Suicide Squad' and is terrific) -- these are all sins and must be decried. Give me a f***ing break. Look, you can be the most important critic on 'Suicide Squad.' In this case, your voice is your money. You decide if you want to see the movie and then go. If you like it, tell others. I guess you could also tell them if you didn't like it but you don't have to. I won't mind."
Source: http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/john-ostrander-reviews-suicide-squad-says-critics-came-prepared-to-hate-it
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Tue, 9 Aug 2016, 11:47
"As for some of the online haters -- if a film doesn't fit their pre-conceived notion, it is wrong. Female 'Ghostbusters'...these are all sins and must be decried. Give me a f***ing break.
Very wise words. Thanks for providing this quote TLF. :)
There were many reasons why fans were turned off by the Ghostbusters remake besides the gender of the cast. For a Ghostbusters fan to not see the film solely because of the female actors would indeed be unwise. That would be like a Batman fan refusing to watch Batman v Superman because Jesse Eisenberg didn't conform to their preconceived notion of Lex Luthor.
Watched it yesterday. Can't say I liked it. Narrative-wise, it's a mess. It's like 2-3 movies edited together. This badly needs an extended cut.
Zack Snyder or Joel Schumacher would have done a far superior job.
Don't know if I like Leto as the Joker, either. But Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn was great casting. The rest of the cast I didn't really care much about.
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Tue, 9 Aug 2016, 18:24
There were many reasons why fans were turned off by the Ghostbusters remake besides the gender of the cast. For a Ghostbusters fan to not see the film solely because of the female actors would indeed be unwise. That would be like a Batman fan refusing to watch Batman v Superman because Jesse Eisenberg didn't conform to their preconceived notion of Lex Luthor.
Hey Silver, that was a low blow.
I thought we were friends. :)
Plus, by all means question my choice (although it ultimately came down to reviews and poor word-of-mouth that simply confirmed my prejudices rather than allaying them), but I do think there's a difference. After all, if people are choosing not to see Ghostbusters 2016 because of the all-female cast, that would be a sexist decision.
That said, I also understand that there was a myriad of reasons why people avoided Ghostbusters 2016, and for what it's worth, I skipped the film too.
Surprised people liked Man of Steel better. Suicide Squad had its moments of sadness but it wasn't the depressing, Nolanesque, borefest Man of Steel was. Though their problems contrasted; MOS had scenes drag on way too long, SS was underdeveloped.
I do consider BvS the strongest DCEU film mainly due to Affleck. I kind of feel the last two films were made for payoffs down the road (similar to Iron man 2 which seems like it was solely made to set up the Avengers), DC needs to cut to the chase and startgiving us more payoffs with the films rather than dangle the carrot that great things lie ahead.
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Tue, 9 Aug 2016, 20:39
Hey Silver, that was a low blow.
That's how I dish it out.
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I'm just ribbing you, gobbs. No malice intended.
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Tue, 9 Aug 2016, 20:39After all, if people are choosing not to see Ghostbusters 2016 because of the all-female cast, that would be a sexist decision.
What's wrong with being sexy?
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Surprised people liked Man of Steel better. Suicide Squad had its moments of sadness but it wasn't the depressing, Nolanesque, borefest Man of Steel was. Though their problems contrasted; MOS had scenes drag on way too long, SS was underdeveloped.
MoS had ambition. It told a story that meant something, and for my money, elicited a response that resonated deeper. Contrast the world engine sequence against the Enchantress dancing around with the portal open in Suicide Squad. You never feel like the world is at risk in Suicide Squad. We don't really see people reacting to this supposed carnage, or even witness the true consequences. We just see a bunch of military and government people talking about it. It didn't have any sense of danger apart from what we're told. In MoS, we see the firsthand terror and lethality of the world engine flattening cars, sending people into the air and slamming them down. It was terrifying and surprisingly real for a fantastical concept. The world was at risk and I believed it. You breathe a sigh of relief when Superman shuts it down. Suicide Squad was just too superficial to the point of being lazy.
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Tue, 9 Aug 2016, 20:39Plus, by all means question my choice (although it ultimately came down to reviews and poor word-of-mouth that simply confirmed my prejudices rather than allaying them), but I do think there's a difference. After all, if people are choosing not to see Ghostbusters 2016 because of the all-female cast, that would be a sexist decision.
Why is this not a valid decision to not see a movie? Women mostly don't get into the Expendables movies. As a film series, it's not marketed to women. And women tend to avoid those movies.
Women are not raked over the coals for it.
So even
IF a lot of men skipped Girlbusters because something something sexist... so what?
Agreed. People spoke with their feet and didn't see the movie. Fair play to them. It's free will in action. We all have the right to choose or reject something. The majority of people rejected Girlbusters, even if the critics loved it.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 11 Aug 2016, 01:18
MoS had ambition. It told a story
^ This fact alone elevates MoS and BvS high above Suicide Squad in my opinion.
Interviews can be kinda dull, but this one sure wasn't! :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=45&v=9usVtKhLVdA
On the topic of Suicide Squad refraining from showing everyday folk reactions/consequences to the carnage that was happening around them, there's an explanation to that and one that's already made the rounds.
Consider these quotes from the Snyders:
Quote from: Zack Snyder
"When Batman v Superman came out, I was like, 'Wow, okay, oof'...It did catch me off guard. I have had to, in my mind, make an adjustment. I do think that the tone of Justice League has changed because of what the fans have said."
Quote from: Deborah Snyder
"The backlash against Dawn of Justice was 'learning experience', noting, "We hear what everyone has to say because we care what the fans say...The main thing we learned, I think: People don't like to see their heroes deconstructed."
Those examples alone tells you all that one needs to know about why Suicide Squad ended up with alot of excised footage (some featuring darker material) in order to fit the tone/mood/direction WB/DC wants going forward. The detractors are getting their way, and in regards to
Wonder Woman and
Justice League, it's probably a safe bet that both films are going to be decidedly
different in terms of storytelling techniques than from what we got with MOS and BvS. If that's a good or bad thing, is clearly up to one's own personal perspective, as the love/hate ratio for Snyder's MOS and BvS is obviously divided, but if you are wanting Suicide Squad and any subsequent DCEU movies to be on par, if even just in a tonality way, with MOS and BvS, then I am afraid you are setting yourself up for some serious disappointment in 2017. That type of approach to the material, atleast presently, is seen as detrimental rather than beneficial.
With Suicide Squad, another reason why it's different than MOS or BvS, is in it's overall modus operandi. MOS was an event in the DCEU. Not only was it the 1st film in the DCEU, with no doubt special attention given to it due to just that, it also was the film that re-introduced Superman to modern audiences, and if we're talking within the world of the DCEU, it's 1st widely acknowledged by the public, metahuman. With the concept of world-building for the DCEU, MOS was definitely important.
Likewise, so was BVS. It continued the Superman story, but also incorporated Batman, and not only would they meet, but also feud with one another. That's pretty big stuff in of itself, and no doubt a vital component to the DCEU as a whole. Throw in Lex jr., Wonder Woman's first interactions with Bats & Supes, along with her reemergence, Doomsday, and a particular "Death", and yeah, BvS is right up there with MOS in terms of storytelling. Decidedly even more grand or epic. In terms of actual comic books, the occurrences within MOS/BvS could easily be treated as "Event" books. With BvS, hell that could have easily been a "Event Crossover" even.
With Suicide Squad, the film came across more akin to a story you might find within pretty much any Suicide Squad comic. Nothing more, nothing less. Amanda Waller gets another Task Force X rounded up, and off they go. Considering the rotation of members in the comics, it's a very basic affair. Akin to the technique used with 2012's DREDD. Both (DREDD and SS) featured stories that could quite easily be taken as just another episode, rather than going the route of trying to adapt major story lines like "The Cursed Earth Saga", or something like the "Death of Superman" arc. The films methodology are divergent, cause they
are fundamentally different.
For me, I liked the theatrical cut of BVS alot despite having problems with it, while others found it just underwhelming. Same thing with MOS, and I can't say I'm surprised by SS getting mixed reactions as well. This place would be pretty boring if we agreed on everything anyways.
Quote from: The Joker on Fri, 12 Aug 2016, 04:48
The detractors are getting their way, and in regards to Wonder Woman and Justice League, it's probably a safe bet that both films are going to be decidedly different in terms of storytelling techniques than from what we got with MOS and BvS. If that's a good or bad thing, is clearly up to one's own personal perspective, as the love/hate ratio for Snyder's MOS and BvS is obviously divided, but if you are wanting Suicide Squad and any subsequent DCEU movies to be on par, if even just in a tonality way, with MOS and BvS, then I am afraid you are setting yourself up for some serious disappointment in 2017.
MoS and BvS had interesting themes and narratives that intertwined throughout the course of the film. They're sophisticated in their execution. Suicide Squad barely felt like a film to me, and that's part of why I dislike it so much. I fully expect JL to tackle the source material with the necessary attention these event films require these days, eg. two and a half hours. The negative response would factor in, but regardless, the direction of the DCEU post BvS was going to lighten up. Batman was never going to be as ruthless as he was in BvS again. He'll grow along with the other characters. So in that sense, the lighter tone isn't a shock or something to shun. It's all in the execution, as Suicide Squad proved for me. I was willing to accept a fun, quirky romp. But sadly, their version of that didn't click.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 13 Aug 2016, 10:44
So in that sense, the lighter tone isn't a shock or something to shun. It's all in the execution, as Suicide Squad proved for me. I was willing to accept a fun, quirky romp. But sadly, their version of that didn't click.
Same here. I've no problem with a lighter tone for certain DC movies. The tone of each film should suit the tone of the source material. My problem with Suicide Squad was the poor execution. I wanted to find it funny, but I didn't. It was really awkward watching this in a theatre full of people and hearing the deathly silence after every joke fell flat. They use musical cues to try and punctuate the moments when you're meant to laugh, but it doesn't help. It just wasn't funny IMO. Take for example the thing about Boomerang carrying the pink unicorn. It's obviously meant to be random and quirky, but it's such a lazy, shallow gag it never really pays off. At least I didn't think it did.
I wasn't as blown away by Deadpool as most people seem to be, nor did I think it was as funny as fans claimed. But at least there were a few legitimately funny gags in that film. Suicide Squad didn't have one. It was totally devoid of any wit.
Humor's a subjective thing, but admittedly there were scenes in ss that worked for me, and others that didn't. Some of the stuff that was jokey and made the rounds in the commercials, fell flat, but stuff like Cap Boomerang getting royally screwed by Waller, was funny to me. I guess cause I found it to be incredibly comic accurate. It wasn't a total miss like you guys experienced. I found most of the humor in Deadpool worked, atleast for me, due to the nature of the character, and structure. With Cap Civil War, there were alot of scenes that played upon humor, and they just fell flat to me. The Giant-Man reveal worked, but some other stuff didn't. Whatever.
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sat, 13 Aug 2016, 12:54
My problem with Suicide Squad was the poor execution. I wanted to find it funny, but I didn't. It was really awkward watching this in a theatre full of people and hearing the deathly silence after every joke fell flat.
That may be why I enjoyed SS, cause my theater was laughing at the majority of the jokes.
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Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sat, 13 Aug 2016, 12:54
My problem with Suicide Squad was the poor execution. I wanted to find it funny, but I didn't. It was really awkward watching this in a theatre full of people and hearing the deathly silence after every joke fell flat.
That may be why I enjoyed SS, cause my theater was laughing at the majority of the jokes.
Mine was filled with a few idiots who kept causing distractions by turning on their phone flashlights. I threw candy at one of them. She got pissed about that but couldn't figure out who threw it.
*sigh*
I should start seeing movies at the Drafthouse.
Quote from: Travesty on Sat, 13 Aug 2016, 18:29
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sat, 13 Aug 2016, 12:54
My problem with Suicide Squad was the poor execution. I wanted to find it funny, but I didn't. It was really awkward watching this in a theatre full of people and hearing the deathly silence after every joke fell flat.
That may be why I enjoyed SS, cause my theater was laughing at the majority of the jokes.
I can imagine the mood must be very different under those circumstances. I think watching the film alone would be a different experience too. But in the theatre I saw it in, the best we got was a few snorts from the audience. Maybe the humour was too American and we Brits just didn't get it. It might also be because SS is rated 15 here, so there were no kids in the audience. Whatever the reason, the humour just wasn't resonating.
I had low expectations for BvS, but I ended up enjoying it. I had high expectations for SS, and I was sorely disappointed. But humour is indeed subjective. People will find different things funny, just like they'll find different things frightening. Once again, this is just my opinion – my reaction – and I'm not saying anyone else is wrong to hold a contrary viewpoint. All I would say to people who enjoyed this movie is... I envy you. :(
Quote from: Travesty on Sat, 13 Aug 2016, 18:29
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sat, 13 Aug 2016, 12:54
My problem with Suicide Squad was the poor execution. I wanted to find it funny, but I didn't. It was really awkward watching this in a theatre full of people and hearing the deathly silence after every joke fell flat.
That may be why I enjoyed SS, cause my theater was laughing at the majority of the jokes.
I did find Will Smith charismatic and an asset to the film. Same goes for Waller and Harley. I guess I'll have to forget about the deleted scenes and the tonal shift they finally decided upon, and simply accept the final cut. It's not going to be easy. But I'll give it a go and see the film a second time.
My key likes about Suicide Squad.
1. Universe building
We see a man selling Superman and Batman shirts on the street, with the Superman shirts commemorating his death. Waller says humanity got lucky with Superman sharing their values, and they may not be so lucky next time. Task Force X was made in direct response to Superman's death, and it also serves as a precursor to the Justice League being formed. We get those brief Batman cameos - encountering Deadshot and chasing Joker, and we see The Flash capturing Captain Boomerang. These small touches go a long way in confirming past events and building upon them.
2. The other trinity
Amanda Waller, Deadshot and Harley Quinn. These three characters make the movie. Amanda Waller is one of the best live action DC villains you'll find. She's a manipulative, ruthless killer and has screen presence. Will Smith shows why he became a big name in the first place. If you think of the movie as an exclusive vehicle for the charismatic Mr Smith, with everything else just window dressing, the movie goes up in my estimations. Harley is rather fun to watch, too. The other members of the squad don't receive as much screen time and aren't as memorable. But these three characters are worth watching. And for that alone, the film has merit.
3. Mid-credits scene
I loved this. Something so simple but something so spine tingling. Ben Affleck appears in the flesh talking to Amanda Waller, requesting information on meta humans. The more Affleck the better in my opinion, and this small scene elevates the whole product for me. When prodded by Waller, Bruce bites back and reverts to his aggressive Batman persona. "You should shut it down. My friends and I will do it for you." And then he leaves.
4. The soundtrack
From what I've heard of the score by Steven Price, DC continue their dominance in producing quality music for their films. Task Force X brings Danny Elfman's Batman theme to mind. This cue is a slam dunk. Harley and the Joker is my second favourite, along with The Worst of the Worst. The source music, such as Bohemian Rhapsody, etc, isn't my ideal choice. But I think Price did an admirable job with the music. Even if Hans Zimmer is a hard act to follow.
5. A willingness to be unique
Love or hate the execution, at least Suicide Squad represents a different flavour in the comic book genre. The universe is the same, as shown with the BvS Easter eggs. But Suicide Squad does strike out on its on with a completely different vibe. Watered down or not, we enter a subculture of criminality where the villains are the heroes. This represents a first for the live action genre. I can respect that general concept.
So there we have it.
Was it good or bad? My friends hated it, but I couldn't look away the whole time, so it was okay in my book. Though some random thoughts:
Slipknot's execution was hilariously bad. It was telegraphed from a mile away that he was going to die. His only power was "being able to scale any building", as well. The entire purpose of the character was to demonstrate the bomb implant, and there were better ways to do that.
Captain Boomerang and Killer Croc also don't really do anything. This is obviously because they fall lower on the "power" spectrum, although despite Harley being a relatively inept villain, she's shown to be one of the more effective characters just because she's a main character.
I loved Leto's Joker. True to the successful depictions of the past, he's a crazy kind of unpredictable that you can't take your eyes off. Though then there's the editing. I didn't take the "trailer lawsuit" seriously, but then I saw the film myself and noticed the entire scene around Joker throwing the grenade was missing. The sequence in the film made it obvious that it took place after the helicopter crash, so I waited for it... and waited.
Despite being shoved aside, the Killer Croc character was pretty faithful. There was the tragic aspect of his rejection with mentions of him being treated "like an animal", and even a bit of his vanity when he says he's beautiful.
More so than BvS, I want to see the alternate cut of this film. I felt like I saw what I needed to with Batman v. Superman, and the extended cut was just that. But the very structure of Suicide Squad was changed with the studio's edit, and I'm very curious to see the numerous scenes that were cut.
Quote from: Slash Man on Wed, 24 Aug 2016, 07:14
Slipknot's execution was hilariously bad. It was telegraphed from a mile away that he was going to die. His only power was "being able to scale any building", as well. The entire purpose of the character was to demonstrate the bomb implant, and there were better ways to do that.
There was no purpose for this villain other than killing off the token Native American guy. They could've given him some action before getting rid of him, at least he would've died with dignity.
Quote from: Slash Man on Wed, 24 Aug 2016, 07:14
Captain Boomerang and Killer Croc also don't really do anything. This is obviously because they fall lower on the "power" spectrum, although despite Harley being a relatively inept villain, she's shown to be one of the more effective characters just because she's a main character.
That's true. Deadshot, Harley Quinn and El Diablo were the focus while the rest of the other villains were there to make up the numbers. But Captain Boomerang and Killer Croc managed to get some laughs at the cinema where I saw the film.
Quote from: Slash Man on Wed, 24 Aug 2016, 07:14
I loved Leto's Joker. True to the successful depictions of the past, he's a crazy kind of unpredictable that you can't take your eyes off. Though then there's the editing. I didn't take the "trailer lawsuit" seriously, but then I saw the film myself and noticed the entire scene around Joker throwing the grenade was missing. The sequence in the film made it obvious that it took place after the helicopter crash, so I waited for it... and waited.
I'm glad you got enjoyment from Leto's Joker Slash, but I felt let down because he was given little to nothing to do. Of course, we all know that WB and David Ayer decided to cut out a lot of his scenes, particularly how he abused and manipulated Harley. I've heard complaints about Joker is depicted as a "lovesick puppy" in SS, but that's because the most important and critical material had been left out on the cutting floor. Which is a shame, because the film would've been rich if those scenes were kept. It would've shown how even the cruel and sadistic Joker is not too inhumane to show affection for someone. If they were going to cut out some scenes, why not remove the entire subplot to capture Harley? It felt pointless.
A favourite little scene of mine from SS:
Harley taking the elevator and dispatching two opponents without a care in the world. Exiting to the top level with everyone staring at her, as she saunters off in those short shorts. I like what Margot did with Harley. Much better than the likes of TDKR Talia.
SS is cut down and could have truly excelled. But it's not a complete loss.
with respect to the Joker I was kind of glad he wasn't part of the actual squad. Part of the appeal was that all these characters were on the big screen for the first time. Had the Joker been involved it would have been "Joker and Friends". Part of the appeal was that they were all meeting each other for the first time. Likely the only reason Joker was even in the film was to develop Harley (can't have her without Mr. J)
No one here wanted Joker part of the squad itself. He's a lone wolf.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Thu, 25 Aug 2016, 11:48
I'm glad you got enjoyment from Leto's Joker Slash, but I felt let down because he was given little to nothing to do.
Yeah, for the Joker, the movie was more of a vehicle to introduce the Joker to audiences to establish him for later installments. They did the exact same thing with Spider-Man in Civil War - being two iconic characters that were not essential to the main story.
It's a tricky situation because the Joker is going to create insane amounts of hype. I felt like the first teaser did an excellent job of introducing the character. Too little coverage creates a lot of expectations. But from there on out, they created the false expectation that Joker was going to be a major character, which he fell short of.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Thu, 25 Aug 2016, 11:48Of course, we all know that WB and David Ayer decided to cut out a lot of his scenes, particularly how he abused and manipulated Harley. I've heard complaints about Joker is depicted as a "lovesick puppy" in SS, but that's because the most important and critical material had been left out on the cutting floor. Which is a shame, because the film would've been rich if those scenes were kept. It would've shown how even the cruel and sadistic Joker is not too inhumane to show affection for someone. If they were going to cut out some scenes, why not remove the entire subplot to capture Harley? It felt pointless.
It's really crushing that the presence of these deleted scenes shows that Ayer understands the characters perfectly. But having them be the perfect couple has proven to be much more marketable.
I feel like if they only had the last scene of the Joker breaking Harley out of prison, it would make sense and the rest of the movie would still stand without everything else.
The way I'm looking at the theatrical cut is that Leto's Joker has a strong sense of ownership with Harley. For a man who sees life as a joke, he suddenly has some purpose. Harley gives Joker another reason and excuse to be bad. She's his property. Disrespect her? You die. A gangster calls Harley a bitch, and that's enough for him to be shot. Implant a bomb in her neck and make her join a squad? He'll scour the city, kill the necessary people and stop at nothing until he gets her back. It's personal.
In regards to abusing her, we still get a bit of that. Electroshock therapy inside Arkham, after he fools her into smuggling in a machine gun. He drives off a cliff with no regard for his or her safety. He uses Harley as a dancer for cash, letting her grind up against other men but keeps a very close eye on proceedings. But at the core, Harley is his creation. He has her around his finger and he obviously enjoys that complete sense of control. They could have gone harder, but...there's enough to redeem this Joker.
Another film would do him wonders.
Quote from: Slash Man on Fri, 26 Aug 2016, 04:18
But from there on out, they created the false expectation that Joker was going to be a major character, which he fell short of.
That's right, and by doing that, they even misled Jared Leto into thinking most of the work he was doing would feature in the final cut. If this was what they were going to do, I'd rather they keep Joker's reveal a surprise (although I know that would be impossible to do in the internet age, but it's better to keep expectations in check).
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri, 26 Aug 2016, 09:00
The way I'm looking at the theatrical cut is that Leto's Joker has a strong sense of ownership with Harley. For a man who sees life as a joke, he suddenly has some purpose. Harley gives Joker another reason and excuse to be bad. She's his property. Disrespect her? You die. A gangster calls Harley a bitch, and that's enough for him to be shot. Implant a bomb in her neck and make her join a squad? He'll scour the city, kill the necessary people and stop at nothing until he gets her back. It's personal.
In regards to abusing her, we still get a bit of that. Electroshock therapy inside Arkham, after he fools her into smuggling in a machine gun. He drives off a cliff with no regard for his or her safety. He uses Harley as a dancer for cash, letting her grind up against other men but keeps a very close eye on proceedings. But at the core, Harley is his creation. He has her around his finger and he obviously enjoys that complete sense of control. They could have gone harder, but...there's enough to redeem this Joker.
Another film would do him wonders.
It's certainly a valid interpretation. But an impression I get that he does have some sort of affection for Harley is when he decides to jump into the pool of chemicals to get Harley, instead of walking away and leaving her to drown. I thought it was a change of heart from him.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri, 26 Aug 2016, 09:00
The way I'm looking at the theatrical cut is that Leto's Joker has a strong sense of ownership with Harley. For a man who sees life as a joke, he suddenly has some purpose. Harley gives Joker another reason and excuse to be bad. She's his property. Disrespect her? You die. A gangster calls Harley a bitch, and that's enough for him to be shot. Implant a bomb in her neck and make her join a squad? He'll scour the city, kill the necessary people and stop at nothing until he gets her back. It's personal.
In regards to abusing her, we still get a bit of that. Electroshock therapy inside Arkham, after he fools her into smuggling in a machine gun. He drives off a cliff with no regard for his or her safety. He uses Harley as a dancer for cash, letting her grind up against other men but keeps a very close eye on proceedings. But at the core, Harley is his creation. He has her around his finger and he obviously enjoys that complete sense of control. They could have gone harder, but...there's enough to redeem this Joker.
Another film would do him wonders.
I'd also add, when Harley is arrested, where is Mr. J? Nowhere to be found and it seems she does spend significant time incarcerated.
Quote from: riddler on Fri, 26 Aug 2016, 14:19
I'd also add, when Harley is arrested, where is Mr. J? Nowhere to be found and it seems she does spend significant time incarcerated.
It's likely that Joker wanted a sharply defined break-in/escape plan, which would take some time (schedules/routines/info on guards, ect), and one that ... did not go into action until the conclusion of the film when the time/opportunity presented itself.
Cause make no mistake about it, Joker's focus is on Harley and getting her back. I would almost say he seems depressed at one point (when his right hand man explains what happened to Harley after Bats rescued her). Which, to me, conveys that he's unable to just go out and get her back. In addition to her not being there with him is definitely a void that cannot be filled.
The way I look at it, is that a place like Belle Reve Penitentiary, considering it's clientele and thus security, would probably be a little more complex successfully getting in and out of rather than a psychiatric hospital like Arkham. Especially since, unless it's in the novelization, Joker himself has had no prior experience/knowledge within Belle Reve either.
True. Joker drew an outline around his mouth with a black pen and was sitting around doing nothing. He was aimless. When he thinks he can get Harley back, and with a plan to do so, he stretches out on the ground and begins laughing. He has purpose again.
Also, I forgot to add something. Joker is on board a helicopter as it crashes into a ball of flames. In Suicide Squad, we see the character surviving the near impossible just like the comics. And to a lesser extent, driving off a cliff and his body not being located. This facet is presented for the first time cinematically. Nicholson miraculously not being hit by the Batwing's bullets doesn't count, either. Leto's Joker is thought dead only to return.
That's a very astute point with Joker cheating death. Like TDK said, it's happened countless times in the comics, dating back to the Golden Age of comics, but Suicide Squad actually incorporates this character device with Leto's Joker like that of no other live action Joker before him.
Suicide Squad has outgrossed more money than the first Iron Man to become the 50th highest grossed domestic film of all time.
Source: http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1561419/suicide-squad-just-notched-another-box-office-win-over-rival-marvel-studios
Awesome result. I'm waiting for details on the Blu-ray, and if there's going to be an extended cut.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Fri, 30 Sep 2016, 00:35
Suicide Squad has outgrossed more money than the first Iron Man to become the 50th highest grossed domestic film of all time.
Source: http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1561419/suicide-squad-just-notched-another-box-office-win-over-rival-marvel-studios
Great news for the film, and the DCEU. It's only three films in, and the profits thus far make it painfully obvious that there is indeed interest and support from audiences/fans in the product WB has been dishing out. :)
Quote from: The Joker on Fri, 30 Sep 2016, 04:55
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Fri, 30 Sep 2016, 00:35
Suicide Squad has outgrossed more money than the first Iron Man to become the 50th highest grossed domestic film of all time.
Source: http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1561419/suicide-squad-just-notched-another-box-office-win-over-rival-marvel-studios
Great news for the film, and the DCEU. It's only three films in, and the profits thus far make it painfully obvious that there is indeed interest and support from audiences/fans in the product WB has been dishing out. :)
I think I read somewhere that the MOS, BvS and SS grossed more money than the first MCU films combined, although the first two DC films had enormous budgets in comparison to the Iron Man films.
Nonetheless, the speculation over the gross revenue/lost returns seems petty to me now. When BvS was released back in March, I read lots of news sites making conflicting estimations over much money the film needed to make to break even, and speculated the movie is a money pit for WB in any case for not making a billion. But that seems to die down now the film earned something around $872 million and the Ultimate Edition was on top for four weeks in DVD sales. Yes, I bet WB is disappointed that the film headlining two of the biggest names in comics failed to earn a billion, but what BvS earned in the end is far from the disaster the naysayers were proclaiming.
Here is a gallery of new character portraits as photographed by Clay Enos.
http://batman-news.com/2016/11/17/suicide-squad-portraits-clay-enos/
David Ayer has come out admitting he would make the Joker was the main villain if he could redo the film again. I agree with him.
https://twitter.com/DavidAyerMovies/status/822948443110842369/photo/1
I'm not really open to that. Part of what makes the movie work is the Joker as a supporting antagonist rather than the big bad. Two movies in the last 30 years have shown the Joker as the lead villain. Using him as an adjunct threat for additional peril (and for character-building purposes for Harley) is an effective use of the character in the post-Nicholson and post-Ledger world.
My problems with Joker in Suicide Squad was his plan to capture Harley in Midway City was a waste of time, and his scenes with Harley's backstory felt rather rushed and pulling its punches, so to speak. Considering there was a lot of material that go cut out and will probably never see the light of day, I just don't think the film utilised Joker to his potential.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Mon, 23 Jan 2017, 01:22
I'm not really open to that. Part of what makes the movie work is the Joker as a supporting antagonist rather than the big bad. Two movies in the last 30 years have shown the Joker as the lead villain. Using him as an adjunct threat for additional peril (and for character-building purposes for Harley) is an effective use of the character in the post-Nicholson and post-Ledger world.
Agreed. I think the bigger problem was reducing his abusiveness. Looking on the bright side, the extended cut makes the Joker's flashback scenes flow better. We see Harley looking at the bike, and we transition to her moment with Joker where he tries to reject her. Then later, we have the continuation of the flashback where he lets Harley into his life with the chemical bath scene. So I like that consistency and flow. It makes Joker's role in the film feel a little more prominent too, even if it's still minor. I think Leto had just enough content, even though they trimmed it back. It was more about Harley and what happened to her. She is a squad member and Joker moves in and out of the story.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 23 Jan 2017, 02:36
Agreed. I think the bigger problem was reducing his abusiveness.
I've come to realise that the producers were smart to play this down, considering that we live in a time where political correctness is out of control more than ever.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Wed, 1 Feb 2017, 05:32
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 23 Jan 2017, 02:36
Agreed. I think the bigger problem was reducing his abusiveness.
I've come to realise that the producers were smart to play this down, considering that we live in a time where political correctness is out of control more than ever.
I need to be careful how I say this. But one thing that the whole "violence against women" thing has never done is make sense to me.
First, it's fiction. So right there I don't see an issue.
Second, this same movie and dozens of others just like it show characters beating the snot out of each other, shooting off guns, running people over with trucks and who the hell knows what else. Is violence unacceptable? Or is violence only unacceptable when it affects women?
And if the latter, what about violence from women which affects men?
I'm not saying you're wrong. If anything, I'm saying you're probably right. I'm also saying I'm getting lost in the weeds here by even making these comments. But this insipid idea that movie violence can be done only to men is so idiotic that merely typing it has cost me a few IQ points.
Equality is a lie. People complain when things are too equal. Then the 'isms' are predictably thrown out, hoping at least one of these baseless slurs will stick. The filmmakers were gutless to water down The Joker, a fictional character. I truly believe political correctness is shattering because it's being challenged every day. The public can see how hypocritical and hysterical things are, and are rightly turning their back on it. Even if it's just private discussions in their living rooms - OR the privacy of a polling place.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Wed, 1 Feb 2017, 07:26
I need to be careful how I say this. But one thing that the whole "violence against women" thing has never done is make sense to me.
First, it's fiction. So right there I don't see an issue.
Second, this same movie and dozens of others just like it show characters beating the snot out of each other, shooting off guns, running people over with trucks and who the hell knows what else. Is violence unacceptable? Or is violence only unacceptable when it affects women?
And if the latter, what about violence from women which affects men?
I'm not saying you're wrong. If anything, I'm saying you're probably right. I'm also saying I'm getting lost in the weeds here by even making these comments. But this insipid idea that movie violence can be done only to men is so idiotic that merely typing it has cost me a few IQ points.
I agree wholeheartedly, but look at the hysteria surrounding the Killing Joke-inspired Batgirl comic cover last year, and the baseless accusations of misogyny aimed towards at creators and fans. I'm convinced it would've given detractors ammunition to attack the entire DCEU if Leto's Joker was allowed to demonstrate his brutal potential. After all, given Suicide Squad had undergone reshoots following BvS's release, I'm convinced the film is a victim of bullsh*t, pathetic hyperbolic backlash surrounding the 'darkness' in Snyder's film. Whether the real vision of the film would've made SS better, is another story.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 1 Feb 2017, 07:54
Equality is a lie. People complain when things are too equal.
Equality can be real. After all, the Western world has made great strides in the last couple of decades where women are allowed to prosper, despite what feminists will have you believe. But there is something wrong when there are people out there who claim to champion for women's rights and complain endlessly about violence and sexual objectification in film, TV, video games, comics...but stay silent when there are women who actually suffer from oppression and terror in other parts of the globe. It pisses me off, as do fanboys who still complain about Batman killing on screen, despite the fact the only WB live action film where he never killed anyone was B&R. The difference, of course, is the former is far more socially relevant and important to the world than some petty pop cultural non-controversy.
Excuse me for my socio-political rant, if you can call it that. I'm pissed off.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Wed, 1 Feb 2017, 10:44
Equality can be real. After all, the Western world has made great strides in the last couple of decades where women are allowed to prosper, despite what feminists will have you believe. But there is something wrong when there are people out there who claim to champion for women's rights and complain endlessly about violence and sexual objectification in film, TV, video games, comics...but stay silent when there are women who actually suffer from oppression and terror in other parts of the globe. It pisses me off, as do fanboys who still complain about Batman killing on screen, despite the fact the only WB live action film where he never killed anyone was B&R. The difference, of course, is the former is far more socially relevant and important to the world than some petty pop cultural non-controversy.
Excuse me for my socio-political rant, if you can call it that. I'm pissed off.
To be clear, when I say equality is a lie, I mean it's never accepted by the other side. When we have equal treatment they cry that they're being bullied. Feminism is a complete and utter joke. Women in Western countries can go live in a middle eastern country if they feel so 'oppressed'. They lack a coherent message. What are they marching for? They are vile hypocrites swearing like sailors, talking about blowing things up. These people have gone completely feral in recent times and as I said before, we are basically witnessing their complete ruination. They are melting down before our very eyes. They have no place whatsoever in the modern world. They are irrelevant dinosaurs with INCOMPATIBLE ideas for the here and now. Every day their sooky protests embarass their cause and strengthen the resistance AGAINST them. Old school protesters who actually walked the peace and love talk would be ashamed of them too.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 1 Feb 2017, 07:54Equality is a lie. People complain when things are too equal. Then the 'isms' are predictably thrown out, hoping at least one of these baseless slurs will stick. The filmmakers were gutless to water down The Joker, a fictional character. I truly believe political correctness is shattering because it's being challenged every day. The public can see how hypocritical and hysterical things are, and are rightly turning their back on it. Even if it's just private discussions in their living rooms - OR the privacy of a polling place.
There's a principle which describes what you're referring to here.
Preference cascade is what you call it when the public realizes they all think the same way about something after a long period of time believing they were all in the minority opinion.
It takes many forms and sometimes is triggered by a single event. A good example of preference cascade is the 1980 US Presidential election. A lot of the late September-mid October polls showed Carter winning handily. And then the debate happened. Something about "There you go again" made people realize they weren't the only ones who thought Carter was weak sauce.
To be clear, the outcome of the election did not change. People simply started being honest with the pollsters. Reagan was always going to win. The polls simply wouldn't have showed that. The debate happened so late that the public polls didn't fully reflect the preference cascade. But Carter's internal polls did. Pat Cadell talks to this day about how the tsunami "came out of nowhere". Well, it didn't. It was always there. It was just wasn't measurable. Until it became measurable, that is.
PC culture is another one. I'm not advocating a set of policy positions or introducing politics as a subject. Just making a point. But there's no denying that President Trump's campaign hasn't virtually dismantled the PC culture machine. I wouldn't be the first to point that out. And again, I'm not trying to discuss politics; only describing a phenomenon.
The reason Trump was able to make so much headway was because everybody was equally sick of PC culture but they all thought they were the only ones. Seeing Trump, and more importantly his vast support, made them realize Trump was only saying what a crapton of people were already thinking.
These are just examples but they show the public sharing a consensus about something without realizing it. But when the realization comes, it's as if "things changed overnight". But not really. It was always like this. People simply didn't realize most people agreed with them.
That is a preference cascade.
So has anyone heard of this stupid rumour about Mel Gibson being considered to direct the sequel?
Well, Mel's confirmed the talks now.
Personally, I don't see him getting too excited about doing the sequel, unless it's more about wanting to work with the cast than the actual material, or is some sort of attempt to further get back under the hysterical liberal Hollywood's good graces ....
Mel's a great director. If he decides to do this, that's a rather nice feather in the DCEU's cap.
I hope he doesn't do it. I consider Mel one of the finest filmmakers of his generation and I don't want to see him waste his time and talent making a sequel to a train wreck of a film like Suicide Squad. Not when he has several more interesting and unique projects already in development. Gibson makes hard-R historical epics for a mature audience, and there's usually a deeply personal dimension to the subject matter that attracts him. He also tends to spend a long time prepping his movies, researching the source material thoroughly and making sure the script is just right before proceeding with production. I can't see him toeing the company line and rushing a film out for some deadline Warner Bros promised their investors before he was even hired. Ayer was only given six weeks to write the Suicide Squad script, and even then the studio butchered his film in postproduction (I know Ayer claims the final cut was his preferred edit, but he's too talented a filmmaker for me to believe that). Getting someone like Gibson to make SS2 would be like hiring David Lean to make a sequel to Moonraker.
However... if Mel does sign on to do this, and if Warner Bros is serious about bringing in A-list Oscar-calibre auteurs like Gibson, George Miller and Ridley Scott, then the studio needs to change its whole approach to how it handles directors. Don't rush them. Don't re-edit their movies in post production to try and reorient the tone towards the latest trend. Don't cut them down to PG-13 if the material lends itself to an R-rating. Don't begin casting lead roles before the director's been hired or the screenplay even written. Stop cramming in cameos from other heroes just to plug upcoming movies (this is getting tiresome in the MCU as well). Gibson's got a great understanding of plot, character and narrative structure, so just let him make a Mel Gibson film that happens to be part of the DCEU, not a DCEU film that happens to be directed by Mel Gibson. The same applies if they sign up Miller or Scott. Basically give these directors the same time and creative freedom that Nolan had when he made TDK and TDKR.
Now if they signed Gibson up to make an R-rated Batman movie, with total creative freedom, then that would be something to get excited about. And I expect the rumours about Affleck quitting the role would soon disappear.
I don't think creative freedom guarantees success, TDK and TDKR were horribly overrated, awful messes that make Suicide Squad look like the first Avengers movie. I thought Suicide Squad was akin to Avengers: Age of Ultron: some good characters here and there but it's otherwise a very average movie.
I don't think Gibson is right for this sort of genre anyway. After all, he has expressed its distaste for it in the past, particularly with his recent disparaging comments against BvS, and the MCU in particular:
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Gibson laments what he sees as the "violence without conscience" of many modern films. "To talk about the violence question, look at any Marvel movie," he says, dismissively. "They're more violent than anything that I've done, but [in my movies,] you give a s--- about the characters, which makes it matter more. That's all I'll say."
It's not his thing. He'd be better off staying with drama, which he thrives at.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Fri, 17 Feb 2017, 11:02
I don't think creative freedom guarantees success, TDK and TDKR were horribly overrated, awful messes that make Suicide Squad look like the first Avengers movie. I thought Suicide Squad was akin to Avengers: Age of Ultron: some good characters here and there but it's otherwise a very average movie.
Suicide Squad is much better than Age of Ultron. Age of Ultron is more like a video game. At least Suicide Squad has fun and interesting characters.
Quote from: OutRiddled on Thu, 23 Feb 2017, 03:15
Suicide Squad is much better than Age of Ultron. Age of Ultron is more like a video game. At least Suicide Squad has fun and interesting characters.
Very well. I thought SS and AOU both had some underwhelming, generic villains mixed together with characters actually worth watching i.e. Harley Quinn, Deadshot, El Diablo, Hulk, Scarlet Witch and Black Widow.
That's actually the first time I've seen anyone describe AOU feeling like a video game, I've seen a few people use that word to SS. Personally, I don't find the term to be demeaning at all; in fact, there are lots of video games with compelling stories nowadays, so to me, people are unintentionally giving the film a compliment. 8)
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Thu, 23 Feb 2017, 11:31
That's actually the first time I've seen anyone describe AOU feeling like a video game, I've seen a few people use that word to SS. Personally, I don't find the term to be demeaning at all; in fact, there are lots of video games with compelling stories nowadays, so to me, people are unintentionally giving the film a compliment. 8)
I actually love the Arkham games and think that's the best versions of some of those characters. But a video game is a video game, and is only fun if you're playing it. When you're watching a movie, and it's just cgi battle after cgi battle, it's like watching someone else play a video game. Suicide Squad had a bit of that, but much less than the overrated Avengers movies.
A new unreleased photo of the Joker was released a week or so ago.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DE0BLUwXYAAE80i.jpg:large)
His facial expression reminds me of my reaction when I realised most of his scenes were cut out from the film.
Self Termination Squad is an underrated movie, folks. It gets a ton of crap flung at it, and yes, I get why. But to focus on the what ifs makes us not focus on the what IS elements enough. Margot Robbie, Will Smith and the-Amanda-Waller-actress-but-I-forgot-her-name-person make this film rewatchable. It's a minor upgrade, but the extended cut is nonetheless an upgrade for the direction the studio finally decided to take. This is a popcorn movie to sit back and enjoy with a wheelbarrow of popcorn and an aquarium of coke. The performances of those three actors does that for me. I really get the impression Self Termination Squad will become a one off, guilty pleasure in comparison to the two and a half hour epics like MoS and BvS. I've said it before and I'll say it again. If this is as bad as things get for the DCEU, it's doing rather well for itself.
Suicide Squad had its moments such as Batman and Flash's cameos, Deadshot, Harley, El Diablo, Amanda Waller and Captain Boomerang sometimes . But I still think it could've been much better if it had fewer characters, or even if Joker was the main villain as David Ayer admitted.
Oh well.
I'm strangely okay about the Joker solo film news. Leto is apparently confirmed for Suicide Squad 2 and Gotham City Sirens. He's surely going to get a lot more screen time between those two films. He's still the canon DCEU Joker. Getting another Joker film (non canon) with another actor in the role is a bonus. I'm a fan of the character and have no problem with them covering the origin story. Hell, B89 is the Joker's origin story. The concept of a 1980s style film is different, and if it happens, I'm open minded about it. The predictable outcry will be 'Joker shouldn't have an origin!', 'Ledger for life!', blah, blah, blah.
Has the Joker solo project been officially greenlit by WB? Or is it more bullsh*t from the media?
I know this much is ... true (yeah that's of course a shameless Spandau Ballet reference), WB/DC choosing the particular title of the DCEU would create a credibility if they started branching out in live action elseworlds type movies. Extending themselves out to more than just one cinematic continuity and interpretations of characters.
No doubt, the Flash movie (Flashpoint) is going to feature alternate versions of well known Superheros and Villains, and if they are as engaging and welcomed by the masses as DC/WB hopes they will be, then it's safe to say that the Flashpoint film will essentially be the testing grounds for ideas and concepts that don't necessarily fit within the main DCEU continuity.
A Joker origin film could be interesting. I think DC Comics are still going ahead with revealing the Joker's origin story during the Rebirth/Doomsday Clock storyline that's going on right now (Batman finding out that there's actually 3 Jokers was the prelude to this), and I would imagine whatever the Rebirth Joker origin story turns out to be, will ultimately have some influence on The Joker movie itself.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Mon, 7 Aug 2017, 13:58
A new unreleased photo of the Joker was released a week or so ago.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DE0BLUwXYAAE80i.jpg:large)
His facial expression reminds me of my reaction when I realised most of his scenes were cut out from the film.
Looks great, but this damn "damaged"..
I still hope they sort of "soft reboot" him. Get rid of the metal teeth, the "damaged", the tattoos. Even if there are in-universe explanations, they just don't look good. Tone down the "pimp" element. No one will pay much attention.
I don't have a big problem with that stuff anymore. Way I see it, they shouldn't change a thing. The only thing I'd do is keep him clothed at all times. Keep him in purple jackets and tuxedos. The tattoos can still be there, but we don't see them. But that means I'd keep the damaged forehead tattoo visible, along with the metal teeth. I actually like the teeth for three reasons. They're unique to this Joker, I think they look rather good on him, and I like the backstory behind them. Especially considering Batman and Joker have had a long history against each other in this universe.
These are not a deal-breaker for me either, I don't like them but I wouldn't use them as arguments about why I don't like this Joker (I have a forgiving nature and tend to ignore non-essential details if they are just that - details, the one thing I really disliked was his limited screentime), but for many people they seem to be a big problem. A small "reboot", no explanation necessary, might work.
The Hollywood Reporter has revealed James Gunn's new Suicide Squad film to be a semi-reboot titled The Suicide Squad. Supposedly it will focus on a new cast of characters, though it's rumoured that Robbie and Smith may return in their respective roles. It's expected to come out in August 2021 with Gunn both writing and directing the project.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/james-gunn-talks-direct-suicide-squad-sequel-1181436