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Is the part where Bruce approaches the batsuit shirtless in the batcave an alternate take of him standing in font of it in the black tshirt?

Its been awhile since I watched it, looking through screencap galleries i can't find it.

The first one is easy with the all black batmobile ones and the nolan ones are still fresh in my memory, but what about BR? Or all the other ones? I don't know if anyone's already done it but would be an interesting article.

[Fireball]

Blasphemy I know. It goes against everything we've been conditioned to believe by our trading cards and magazines.

A redheaded American man legally named "Fireball" claims he designed the Batmobile in 1986. Fireball just recently published a book with his Batmobile art on the cover. I kinda want to buy it, but I need to know if it has anecdotes and explanations. Not just a bunch of pictures and movie titles.
http://fireballtim.com/2013/04/02/fireball-rides-the-batmobile/

A bizarre podcast interview with Fireball that tells us nothing.
http://tuneinunlockattain.com/2011/07/01/june-20-2011-–-interview-with-fireball-tim-lawrence-–-master-key-coaching-teleseminars-42/

On this piece, why does it say "R E T U R N" at the top? And why is cropped so we can't see the whole thing? Was he just a Batman Returns production illustrator?


To be honest, there has always been a bit of doubt in the back of my mind regarding the Batmobile's "final" design.

The Brtiish crew build him to be some kind of prolific Da Vinci-like design god. People like John Evans don't acknowledge that other illustrators worked the film. According to the legend as presented by WB on the 2005 documentaries, Burton & Furst spent a weekend with an UNNAMED SCULPTOR that crafted that large black maquette of the finalized design you see everywhere on people's desks and backgrounds during interviews. I can't find anything about who that guy was or Fireball on ChicksLoveTheCar forums.

The only other artist's work that seemed to be publicly credited/shown at the time was storyboard artist Michael White and Bob Ringwood. Everything else was lumped into the Anton Furst category. Years later David Russell came forward on the internet with some unseen stuff, but it mostly only added to Furst's legend. It's all very traditional Batplane and Batmobile designs and cartoonish action scene illustrations. In Comics Scene interview with Furst, they show a Batcave, cathedral, the Batmobile concept and Batwing drawings. The Batwing looks significantly better.
http://www.1989batman.com/2014/07/vintage-magazine-article-comics-scene.html




Batman Forever storyboard artist/illustrator Robbie Consing recently commented on the Film Sketchr blog saying that Those stunning black and white drawings were done by Anton's brilliant art director and longtime collaborator Nigel Phelps (now the production designer of TROY, the TRANSFORMERS series, WORLD WAR Z)... but it's so great to see these gorgeous drawing in one place. Thank you!

Was Furst a Walt Disney/Bob Kane style charlatan?

Was he just posing in front of art for promo videos/photos?

Is Consing referring to ALL of the drawings or merely the "stunning" looking ones? To me the all of the ones that appear considerably more stunning were done for DC's Gotham redesign. (which both Consing and the maintainer of the blog fail to point out) The first issue of Destroyer was Feburary of 92.




Does his trained eye recognize the work of his peers? Or has he discussed this Phelps himself or looked through Warner's archives? On the actual 89 concepts, you can spot in subtle differences in style and technique but Phelps and Furst's stuff is nearly impossible to tell apart. (if that's the case) Though some may merely be the difference between a truly conceptual piece and something that's more of an exact plan for the eventual matte painting. But in the case of the DC redesigns, they are very different from Gotham in the movie.

Your average "Production Designer" doesn't actually do anything other than telling the people who actually have to put pencils to paper/hands into clay what to do. Then, due to the way the system is laid out, they get all the credit in promotional material. Bo Welch is a former architect, so it seems likely that he could have created things like floor plans and blueprints himself. But so far nothing like that from him has surfaced in 20 years.

Could Bo Welch be behind this?

ComicsAlliance ignoramus Chris Sims mistakenly attributed paintings by Thomas Lay to Bo Welch in a recent post.



https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Art-of-Warren-Manser/325159847541509
Somewhat off-topic, but I saw the true Clooneymobile designer, Harald Belker comment on the true Man of Steel Superman/presumably Affleck Batsuit costume designer's Facebook page, Warren Manser. (Manser was also involved with actual fabrication of the costume, Keith Christensen designed the Kryptonian armor conceptually) Belker left a bitter remark about leaving out the part about how the production/costume designer always gets all the credit on one of his interview links. Manser conceded but mentioned taking things one step at a time.

Art department underlings!

If this is true I want my name changed back to Uncle Bingo, Paul!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0KEG9JYCYc

(He's the MythBuster that doesn't wear the stupid hat) They start comparing Batman and Brazil around 18:17

He's says he has a strong dislike of 89, both from an effects standpoint and as a movie. He cites the infamous scene where Joker shoots down the Batwing with his long-barreled gun, saying he "never wanted slapstick out of Batman." Then, he starts up a little about how amazing Batman Returns is, calling DeVito "one of the greatest Batman villains ever." Unfortunately, the catch themselves and go back to Blade Runner right they begin to start praising BR.

This is the first time I've seen someone like this speak so matter-of-factly about BR being obviously better than 89. I also find it amusing that he's so bothered by the long-barreled pistol, when I can think three or four of the lowest points of BR that are definitely more embarrassing than that. (The Penguin's miniature Batmobile "ride" he sat in while he controlled the real Batmobile immediately comes to mind)

http://variety.com/2014/music/news/prince-makes-peace-with-warner-music-sets-new-album-and-reissues-1201159487/

They want to do a 30th anniversary release of Purple Rain and are planning more reissues in the future.

Is a Batman Album reissue a possibility? A remaster with some bonus tracks would be awesome. I'd love a Prince approved Dance with the Devil.

I feel like there's a really good Bruce Wayne black turtleneck joke opportunity here, but I got nothin'. How bout you guys?

A "caption this" thread, if you wil.

[Red Dwarf]

McDonald played one of the two fat Joker goons wearing ball caps that are nearly impossible to tell apart. Apparently he's better known for a character he played on Red Dwarf and he's mentioned BATMAN in interviews with those fans. Not sure if they've been posted before but they're new to me.

http://www.sci-fi-online.com/Interview/m_mcdonald.htm
MM: (Laughs) Oh sure. I turned down Jeremy Beadle twice, once for Game for a Laugh and once for Beadles About and I also turned down Noel Edmond's for his Late Late Breakfast Show. So, I do have my levels beneath which I will not go. Luckily I've never done anything I regret. I've done lots of stuff just for the money. I did Batman for the money. I didn't actually start off doing it for the money, but as time went by I realised that was the only reason I was doing it. In Tim Burton's first Batman movie I played one of the Joker's goons.

We were told by Burton that we would be working with Jack Nicholson, who would really be into improvising. Burton told me: "You're a great improviser, Mac and you're just going to be great with Jack - he's gonna love you. You guy's are going to make these great scenes up. I know there's not a lot of words on the page, but you'll make up a whole lot more". And in the end what actually happened was: "Alright Mac, run over to your mark over there and fire your machine gun." It was so boring. It was all night shoots and it was just such a depressing experience - although the money was fabulous. I'd get picked up at my house at four in the afternoon, drive down to Pinewood for a nights shoot and get home by about 3.30 in the afternoon.

Some nights we wouldn't even be needed on set, so we just sat around playing scrabble till the small hours. Jack Nicholson was only on the set for about 11 days. Most of the shots you see of him are distant shots, or filmed over his shoulder and you can bet your arse that's one of his many doubles. We were supposed to be introduced to him on the first day and they brought us up to the sound stage all dressed in our goon costumes. There were about 25 of us and only three of us had lines. Jack came out and walked down the lines, surveyed the troups and said: "Yes, very nice". And that was it! Then we went and shot a scene and I'm thinking 'that was crazy!" They could have at least introduced us to him personally and told him that we were actors and not stuntmen or general background goons, but they didn't.

While they were setting up the next scene I found myself sitting about ten feet away from Jack and I thought I'd go and introduce myself to him. So I got up, I went over to him and I said "Hi Jack, I'm Mac I'm gonna be gooning for you for the next seven weeks." He looked up just marginally, raised his eyebrows and said "Goon on, Mac." So I stood there like a lemon for about 30 seconds and then I walked away. He never spoke to me again, although he talked to everybody else. People said to me later that you really shouldn't introduce yourself to the stars in LA. So, excuse me for living, you know. Anyway, that was my experience with Jack.

http://www.reddwarf.co.uk/features/interviews/mac-mcdonald/
I'll tell you a good one. On BATMAN, I played one of the Joker's goons. And Tim Burton said, "This is going to be so far out, Mac. You're going to have such a brilliant time - because Jack loves to improvise and he's gonna love you."

So on the first day of filming they said, "Come on up, we'll introduce you to Jack." So I went up with these two other speaking goons. On the soundstage were something like 40 goons - stunt goons, background goons, stand in goons, goon goons - so we were just part of this general morass of goons. And Jack came out and surveyed the goons, like a general surveying his troops - and that was it.

So I thought, "Well, there must be some way to turn this to my advantage." And in-between set-ups for one scene and another, I saw that he was sitting about 10 feet away from me - on his own. So I went over to him, he was all dressed-up in his Joker gear, and I said, "Hi Jack, I'm Mac and I'm gonna be gooning for you for the next six weeks." And he kind of, very minimally, raised his eyes, just kind of clocked my face, and then looked down again and went, "Goon on, Mac." And he never spoke to me again.

Mac's birth name is Terence, which is the same name as the other fat goon, Terence Plummer,  who passed away unfortunately in 2011. And it's the name Joker uses when addressing the goon who hands him a brush. I'm 99% percent sure it was Plummer handing him the brush. He did have another brush in hand while painting that bust. (assuming it was Plummer who was painting the bust, it's hard to tell) Or could he possibly just be using the name to address another random goon simply because it's the next logical name to rhyme with Lawrence? (I've brought this up before but I don't think anyone found it particularly interesting, so let me bring it up again anyway?)


When they enter the museum, I think only one fat goon is present. But I'm pretty sure Mac is seen later, or was that Terry Plummer? I'm confused. Another one of the movie's continuity errors? SPECULATION TIME: Could Plummer have been brought in to do the stuff Mac was supposed to be doing with Nicholson because of his apparent "contempt" for Mac? "I need another fat goon that only speaks when spoken to, goddamn it!" All of the other goons have pretty distinctive looks... they could have at least given them different hats or a mullet wig on one. Or is it simply part of the joke that there are two chubby goons wearing ball caps?

So McDonald's interaction with Nicholson is pretty well documented if any of you guys get to interview him the future. I'd like to hear more stories just about the goons. There's still so much more stories to hear about the failed and useless lives of the little people.

[Batman]

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"Yeah, it's a little weird Lieutenant."

There are really only two hints, the golden paint and clicking sound effects when attaching the grapple gun. Neither really are concrete though. It's never shown off a Batsuit. If it were all solid it would have to have a few hinges behind the capsules, right? All we have to go on is the comic book drawing, which portrays it the way the prop would look draped over the shoulder. Looks like the drawing has over four capsules, and Ordway didn't draw the buckle in half when unbuckled. So that can hardly be considered accurate. I wonder if a special rigid version was made for that shot in the real deal. Then there's that awesome Furst lecture DocDrown posted where he adamantly described its color as "brass" rather than yellow.

What do you guys think or know?

Was this the first movie to have a set of character posters? Looking through the old Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Superman posters none of them had a set of posters dedicated to individual characters.

And if it is, how come nobody talks about it? That's kind of a big deal. Every big budget genre movie today is always marketed this way. Even stupid comedies like the Anchorman sequel do it.

[Wayne Enterprises]

The internets don't seem to care much for the original Wayne Enterprises movie logo from the Schumacher era.

I always kinda liked it. It's certainly better than simply putting up a giant W and calling it a logo. I tried googling 'Schumacher Wayne Enterprises' and 'Batman Forever Wayne Enterprises' thinking it would be all over the place somewhere, like virtually every other fictional movie corporation logo on those random t-shirt sites. Nothing. Nowhere. Yet there is apparently Axis Chemicals baby outfits?



You can't tell me hipsters everywhere wouldn't love wearing a t-shirt adorned with the Nippled Neon Knight's company logo. Does anyone know if a clear version of the logo was printed in the official movie magazines or something?



Remember that corporation from Gremlins 2: The New Batch? Yeah, me neither.

"There's just the sun and the sky and him, like he's the only reason it's all here."

Was it Herb Ritts like 89 and Forever? It's obviously done in the same vein as those.

I can't find a single reputable site with a article that credits the photos to a person, it just says Photographer: Warner Bros

Yet it seems he's always credited whenever the 89 and Forever promos are used, the hits. I've never seen the Returns photographer credited either, other than that one "lucky delivery boy" LA times thing or whatever it was. Of course, I think that was before the movie opened.

Trailers From Hell put this out on April 1st, Sam Hamm talks about his love for it and his homage in the 89 script. I was gonna post it in one of Silver Nemesis' movie influences threads but I couldn't find 'em. It hasn't been posted here yet has it?

Why has Burton never worked with Keaton since Batman Returns?

Keaton always speaks very highly of Burton, always saying that he hopes to work with him again. But it never happens.

I've never read or seen Burton comment on the prospect of working with Keaton again, though that question has probably never been brought up in his interviews. You can't help but wonder why Keaton hasn't showed up, even in a small role, in modern Burton films. I recently read that that Burton and Elfman had "creative differences" working on Nightmare Before Christmas, which surprised me. Which is supposedly why Howard Shore ended up scoring Ed Wood. That got me thinking about Burton & Keaton again. I've wondered about this before.

While he has never flat out stated that it sucks, it's no secret that Keaton is not very fond of Returns.

The actor, who next appears in the action/comedy "The Other Guys", says "Toy Story 3″ has given him new-found faith in a type of film he's never really appreciated before-the sequel. "I think [the makers of sequels] just get soft and lazy, and don't think they need to try anymore", Keaton, who had appeared in only one sequel, "Batman Returns" (1992) up till now.

http://www.moviehole.net/201025217-michael-keaton

It was quite the cast with Michelle Pfeiffer and Danny DeVito and everyone. It wasn't as satisfying to me when I saw it, but maybe that's because the bar was set so high on the first one. I think I only watched it one time.

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/05/12/michael-keatons-dark-memories-of-batman-and-shining-love-for-beetlejuice/

I'll always stand by the first [Batman]. Even for its imperfections, people will never know how hard that movie was to do. A lot of that still holds up.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1579979/michael-keaton-endorses-dark-knight.jhtml

[smooth but sadistic criminal (Keaton)]

Michael Keaton and Michelle Monaghan will star in Penthouse North, a psychological thriller being directed by Joseph Ruben. Lionsgate is handling foreign sales for the thriller and is shopping it in Toronto. The pic will begin production in Canada's capital, Ottawa, in November. Jeff Sackman, Michael Baker and Jon Shiffman are producing, as is Ruben, who has made a career helming thrillers ranging from The Forgotten to Sleeping with the Enemy to Dreamscape. David Loughery, who wrote the thrillers Obsessed and Lakeview Terrace, penned Penthouse and is also producing.

The plot centers on a photojournalist (Monaghan) haunted by a tragic event who has escaped from the world in an upscale New York penthouse. The world comes after her with a vengeance in the form of a smooth but sadistic criminal (Keaton) looking for a hidden fortune, with the woman mustering her inner strength to survive.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/toronto-2011-michael-keaton-michelle-232979 - 9/8/2011

This is old news and I'm amazed there's not already talk of it on this board. Keaton is back in a starring role as a "smooth but sadistic criminal."

GET HYPE.

[Joan Giammarco]

So we all remember the scene where Catwoman saves the rape victim, played by ADR editor Joan Giammarco. But did you know that she also cameoed with Burton in Singles?

http://www.youtube.com/v/3rFxZS6-55w

Both movies were released in 92. My question is, what's the connection here? Is it just some inside joke that no one truly understands?

[Screaming Goon]

I feel like I'm missing a notable goon. And I'm not sure which goon Terrence was.

But my favorite would have to be the Screaming Goon. He just jumps over this huge fence, wearing a beret and sunglasses and swinging around scimitars. Yelling the entire time. Holy crap!

The insanity of that particular goon has always fascinated me.

            ^Shreck's department store?!

I've never seen this pic before...

Wondering if you guys have seen this. Whalen does a lot of cool retro posters of classic genre movies like Raiders of the Lost Ark, Aliens, The Thing, Monster Squad etc.

Hopefully he'll do Batman 89 someday!