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Source: http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/25/11769542/captain-america-marvel-comics-hydra-supervillain
That's right, Cap has been rebooted as a double agent for
HYDRA, disguised as a patriotic hero.
Why? Because Marvel wanted to make a political statement:
Quote"There should be a feeling of horror or unsettledness at the idea that somebody like this can secretly be part of this organization," he [Marvel executive editor Tom Brevoort] said. After all, Hydra is associated with terror and hate speech in the comics. "There are perfectly normal people in the world who you would interact with on a professional level or personal level, and they seem like the salt of the earth but then it turns out they have some horrible secret — whether it's that they don't like a certain group of people or have bodies buried in their basement."
Absolutely pathetic.
Don't forget it was only a year or so ago that fans were upset when Doctor Octopus took over the Spider-Man identity from Peter Parker. But that looks small compared to what Marvel has done to Cap. I saw some fans going on Twitter and condemning this as a stain on his legacy, and some even go far by claiming it's spitting in the face of Joe Simon and Jack Kirby because both creators were Jewish.
Eh, looks like a whole lot of nothing to me. Cap will be back to fighting Hydra in no time and this will be forgotten about.
This article sums it up to me:
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/05/25/guys-captain-america-is-going-to-be-okay
QuoteThere's one other major thing to consider about this Cap storyline: this year is Captain America's 75th anniversary. If you think Marvel is going to celebrate that milestone by turning the superhero who just broke a billion dollars at the box office into a racist hatemonger... well, I guess there's just nothing you won't believe. The reality is that this story - which will showcase Hydra Cap as a way of reminding us why we love Cap in the first place - will end with some kind of triumphant return to the status quo. Possibly even with Steve Rogers as the one solo Captain America and The Falcon returning to his old duds, if I had to guess.
The 'political statement' this seemingly is trying to make puts me off most of all.
Is this for real?
Sometimes I wonder if political correctness has made Americans hate themselves.
It sucks because it's basically commenting on people who support Trump. In Marvels' eyes its this: People you think are decent secretly harbor 'dirty secrets' which change your perception of them. People calling themselves American patriots are apparently fascists going against what they believe in. So yeah, Marvel can go hang over this. It's a joke.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri, 27 May 2016, 03:45
It sucks because it's basically commenting on people who support Trump. In Marvels' eyes its this: People you think are decent secretly harbor 'dirty secrets' which change your perception of them. People calling themselves American patriots are apparently fascists going against what they believe in. So yeah, Marvel can go hang over this. It's a joke.
I agree and I LOATHE Donald Trump (I know this isn't a political forum so I wont elaborate). I guess it's not the first time, it does seem Marvel supports Barack Obama, they've had Spider-man team up with him.
I've heard too that there's dissention within Marvel that the comic side is not happy with the MCU although that seems short sighted on their part.
I got tired of this long ago. That is, artists inserting their own political views into their art. It's obnoxious and I would imagine it's bad for business. I wish they'd just entertain us rather than try and lecture us.
Sorry, but I'm fed up with all this Marvel bashing. >:( Whatever Marvel is doing it seems to be working. Audiences are lapping up the MCU films and avoiding other CBMs and their alternate agendas. Say no more... :-X (Unlike others I don't want to get explicitly political).
Quote from: JokerMeThis on Sat, 28 May 2016, 04:26
I got tired of this long ago. That is, artists inserting their own political views into their art. It's obnoxious and I would imagine it's bad for business. I wish they'd just entertain us rather than try and lecture us.
Agreed.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 28 May 2016, 04:57
Quote from: JokerMeThis on Sat, 28 May 2016, 04:26
I got tired of this long ago. That is, artists inserting their own political views into their art. It's obnoxious and I would imagine it's bad for business. I wish they'd just entertain us rather than try and lecture us.
Agreed.
After watching Zootopia you can add Disney movies to that. It's annoying.
As for CA, that is just ridiculous. Either they've destroyed one of the most beloved characters ever or this is a stupid publicity stunt that will be resolved in like 5 or 6 issues. Just stupid.
Yep. If Marvel want to make political comments in their art, we'll assess what they have dished up. The have invited us to do so with such a provocative, attention seeking plot line. Marvel must think they are in the right, and that the majority of people agree with their views. I can tell you now they are mistaken. I believe they have misread the overall mood of the world right now. Particularly in the US.
People are angry and have had a gutfull of being labelled, told off and censored. The media, and now the comic industry, are telling people how disgusting their views apparently are, and how such people should be shunned. Righto. I think the exact opposite. All the while the anti-BS crowd continues to rise. Much to the outrage and panic of the likes of Marvel Comics. Poor babies. We will make up our own minds.
Give me the Death of Superman gimmick over this trash any day of the week.
Quote from: BatmAngelus on Thu, 26 May 2016, 17:57
Eh, looks like a whole lot of nothing to me.
Same here.
Quote from: BatmAngelus on Thu, 26 May 2016, 17:57Cap will be back to fighting Hydra in no time and this will be forgotten about.
Right. Comics employ these sort of shock tactics on a regular basis. I doubt there's anything meaningful or permanent about this story.
I'm not crazy about Marvel's justification for this twist, but some of outrage is getting out of hand.
Despite being critical of Marvel's decision, the Guardians of the Galaxy director James Gunn is getting some vicious backlash for questioning the overreaction and one's state of mind for threatening violence against the people behind this creative decision. Ed Brubaker himself claims he's getting some death threats via Twitter, despite not having anything to do with Captain America for five years now.
Source: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/comics/marvel_comics/comics-stan-lee-ed-brubaker-james-gunn-and-more-weigh-in-on-a142123
Chris Evans' Tweet is rather disappointed about the whole thing.
https://twitter.com/chrisevans/status/735696011172012033
You would have to be messed up to threaten violence against someone over cartoons, and be serious about it. But it happens. Those sections of the community should be shunned, regardless of race or religion. I absolutely hate the concept of this comic, but that's about it. I'd debate someone about it rather than behead them.
Alot of Marvel Comics output just simply does not interest me these days, and this Cap media attention stunt is no exception. I recently read a article about Cap on newsarama going over the fact that Marvel hasn't let Cap be Cap for quite awhile now, with all-too-brief exceptions before Marvel decides to once again shake up the status quo as they evidently love to do.
DC isn't exempt either, and I lost alot of interest in their overall product as well the longer the whole New52 thing went on, but thankfully REBIRTH does give me a glimmer of hope, though I'm much too jaded to really have a whole lot of faith in them going forward.
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sat, 28 May 2016, 20:28
Quote from: BatmAngelus on Thu, 26 May 2016, 17:57
Eh, looks like a whole lot of nothing to me.
Same here.
Quote from: BatmAngelus on Thu, 26 May 2016, 17:57Cap will be back to fighting Hydra in no time and this will be forgotten about.
Right. Comics employ these sort of shock tactics on a regular basis. I doubt there's anything meaningful or permanent about this story.
Aaaand as I predicted, this wasn't a real change. The next issue reveals that Cap's "Hydra" allegiance was him getting brainwashed from Red Skull using the Cosmic Cube/Kobik and getting implanted with false memories.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/comics/marvel_comics/comic-spoilers-the-truth-about-that-big-hydra-turn-revealed-a143017
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/06/28/no-marvel-didnt-change-the-hydra-cap-story-to-appease-fans
Move along...
"Reboot" has a specific meaning. It is not this.