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So it looks like they announced who will play both Clark and Lois:


David Corenswet for Clark/Superman and Rachel Brosnahan for Lois Lane.

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Maybe I'll end up having to put my foot in my mouth, but God how milk toast can you get? The most vanilla actors you can possibly muster.

Edit. I've listened to some of their interviews and it is clear in the case of Rachel Brosnahan that they are deliberately trying to evoke Kidder. She even has the same slight speech impediment.

I'll be the a-hole who says it.

This casting is 100% less woke than I was expecting.

I'd like to claim that I predicted this, since I posted the following last year.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 15 Dec  2022, 11:55So that brings us to the question of who will succeed him. The fan favourite to replace Cavill in recent years seems to be American actor David Corenswet. He's 29 years old, 6'4 and has that classic chiselled blue-eyed Superman look. He resembles a cross between Welling and Cavill.

(https://i.postimg.cc/6QrF9BYy/Corenswet.png)

Like Christopher Reeve, Corenswet is also a graduate of Julliard. I've never seen him in anything, so I can't comment on his acting abilities, but he has quite a few credits to his name and definitely looks the part. He'd just need to spend a few months bulking up at the gym.

https://www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=4075.msg67747#msg67747

But if I'm being honest...

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Tue, 27 Jun  2023, 21:30This casting is 100% less woke than I was expecting.

Same here.

I don't think I've seen either of these actors in anything, but they both look the part. And it's nice that they've upheld the tradition of casting a Superman actor whose surname begins with R or C.

Reeves, Reeve, Routh.

Collyer, Christopher, Cain, Cavill, Cage, Corenswet.

How convenient to announce this news while Flash is flopping hard at the box office. ::)

Make no mistake, this is a PR tactic to distract people from the disastrous news about the Flash projecting to make even less money than Black Adam, and how the stupid studio may lose between $200-300 million because of it. With the way WBD is struggling financially, who knows if this reboot is even going to get made?

But even if it does get made, the Cavill fiasco will long haunt them, and hiring another actor who has a resemblance to him is just laughable. On top of the fact that Gunn hijacked this project, how he describes Superman as a "galoot", yeah, he can shove it. If that isn't amusing enough, he wants to project to be set in a world where DC heroes already exist, and have as many cameos as possible. And people thought BvS was rushing it, how rich.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Tue, 27 Jun  2023, 21:30I'll be the a-hole who says it.

This casting is 100% less woke than I was expecting.

If they went with woke casting with the leads the reboot would've been instantly dead on arrival for me and I imagine many others. That's not to say I suddenly don't have concerns about Gunn and the way this all came about to begin with. But give me 'vanilla' actors who actually look like the comic characters every day of the week. Corenswet was the best choice from the shortlist IMO.

It seems Superman's new solo movie will feature Hawkgirl, Mister Terrific, Guy Gardner and Metamorpho. So... how exactly is it a solo movie? Did cramming Black Adam and The Flash with lots of extra heroes help them at the box office? Is this really a winning formula at a time when fans are crying out for smaller and more focused solo films?

I also question the move to heavily integrate DCU characters into the mix so early on and gambling on the assumption the universe you're creating will be well received and have legs.

Well, I just find it comically ironic, because one of the main gripes that people levied at Snyder, was that he rushed into his universe too quickly with too many characters, and that he needed to take the time to build it up like the MCU. And to their credit, there are some merits to those claims, but that was Snyder's second movie, this is Gunn's first, and he already has more DC characters in it than BvS, and I'm not seeing these criticisms.

I dunno, I'm not mad or anything, I just find it funny how fickle people can be. lol

Quote from: Travesty on Wed,  2 Aug  2023, 13:54Well, I just find it comically ironic, because one of the main gripes that people levied at Snyder, was that he rushed into his universe too quickly with too many characters, and that he needed to take the time to build it up like the MCU. And to their credit, there are some merits to those claims, but that was Snyder's second movie, this is Gunn's first, and he already has more DC characters in it than BvS, and I'm not seeing these criticisms.

I dunno, I'm not mad or anything, I just find it funny how fickle people can be. lol

If it came out tomorrow that 50% of the "fan opposition" that Snyder's films faced was astroturf perpetuated by Disney's Twitter bots, I would believe it.

Gunn incorporating a mosaic of characters into one film doesn't honestly surprise me in the least bit.

That's his schtick.

Remember when Gunn said Cavill wasn't Superman in his script because he said he wanted to write the story about a younger version of the character?

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Well, now he's saying he's not really doing a young Superman after all.

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This prick is just making stuff up as he goes along.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's writing the script while the strike is still happening. What a scab.

Some casting updates.

Nicholas Hoult is playing Lex Luthor: https://deadline.com/2023/11/nicholas-hoult-superman-legacy-lex-luther-1235630393/

Skyler Gisondo is playing Jimmy Olsen and Sara Sampaio is playing Eve Teschmacherr: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/superman-legacy-skyler-gisondo-jimmy-olsen-sara-sampaio-eve-teschmacher-1235804248/

Gotta say, while the prospect of this movie thrills me not one bit, they are assembling a pretty good cast so far. Corenswet, Brosnahan, Hoult and Gisondo are all good choices.

Jesse Eisenberg Says His Sundance Jewish Buddy Movie Is 'Not Political' and Gives His Advice to New Lex Luthor Nicholas Hoult: 'Don't Watch Me!'

https://variety.com/2024/film/news/jesse-eisenberg-lex-luthor-advice-nicholas-hoult-superman-legacy-1235878072/




Jesse Eisenberg is officially giving his Lex Luthor advice to Nicholas Hoult, and it's blunt: "Don't watch me!"

During an interview at the Variety Studio presented by Audible while attending the Sundance Film Festival, Eisenberg suggested Hoult should forge his own path and not pay attention to Eisenberg's own work as Lex Luthor in Zack Snyder's DC Universe.

"Whenever you play a role you feel connected to it," Eisenberg added to Variety's Matt Donnelly about playing the DC villain for a short time. "There's no way around it. Any time you do anything, even if it's a movie that's a Hollywood kind of thing, you connect."

Australian actress Milly Alcock has been cast as Supergirl: https://deadline.com/2024/01/supergirl-milly-alcock-1235807989/

I'm really liking the casting so far.

I still think they have way too many characters, but we'll see how it all balances out once the movie releases.

Isn't Guy Gardner supposed to be in the film? Let's see if they manage to cast an actual redhead in the movie.

Quote from: Travesty on Tue, 30 Jan  2024, 16:30I still think they have way too many characters, but we'll see how it all balances out once the movie releases.

The casting seems decent so far, but I'm concerned about the presence of other superheroes like Supergirl and Hawkgirl. We haven't had a proper live action Superman solo movie in over a decade now. I just hope this doesn't turn into some kind of JLA-lite ensemble movie like The Flash did.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Tue, 30 Jan  2024, 16:49Isn't Guy Gardner supposed to be in the film? Let's see if they manage to cast an actual redhead in the movie.

You know how modern Hollywood DEI trollcasting works. All redheaded characters must henceforth be race swapped. For example, this is how Vicki Vale looked in the Merry Little Batman movie that came out last month.


It's important for all people to 'feel seen' and be represented. Except people with red hair, apparently.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Tue, 30 Jan  2024, 16:49Isn't Guy Gardner supposed to be in the film? Let's see if they manage to cast an actual redhead in the movie.

Yeah, I think it's Superman, Lois, Jimmy Olsen, Lex Luthor, Guy Gardner, Supergirl, The Engineer, Metamorpho, Hawkgirl, Mister Terrific....and I think that's it. lol

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Wed, 31 Jan  2024, 16:07

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jfc

Okay, I'm getting some bourbon now.

In brief, this YouTuber is skeptical of the Gunnverse's prospects. He outlines his reasons as to why. Some of which have already been mentioned in this thread and others.

And, like me, he's even more skeptical of Superman's prospects as a successful film franchise. Obviously, I love Superman and want to believe that he'll always have massive, enduring popularity.

But "massive and enduringly popular" is not how I would summarize Superman's big screen exploits since 2006 going right on through to right now.

To be clear, I'm not rooting for SL's failure. Yet. I'm just saying that I don't think Superman has the mainstream appeal now that he had back in the Fifties and Sixties.

The title has been changed to just 'Superman'. Not a fan. We've already had that with the 1978 film and at least Legacy was distinctive. Changing the title also makes me feel uneasy because it communicates chaos and uncertainty, regardless if that's real or imagined. This movie feels like make or break for the cinematic fortunes of the character. If people aren't interested now when will they be? Even if the movie is good it still needs to make money. It's possible Superman has been left behind for a number of reasons. It's a shame Gunn is the man behind the camera. He is a creep and a liar. Let's see what happens.

 

James Gunn: "The biggest problem with superhero movies today is cameo porn".

Also James Gunn: Praises The Flash when it's loaded with cameos and is making a Superman movie with too many heroes taking the spotlight away from the main character.

If this farce doesn't get shelved, I hope it flops faster than a speeding bullet.

Okay, so Gunn released a glimpse of the Superman ("Legacy" is no longer part of the title) suit.


There are obvious similarities to this symbol and Kingdom Come.


What's less obvious, and what pretty much nobody else is talking about, is the similarity to the Superman- Earth One symbol.


Specifically, the gold outline. This design element is unique to JMS's Earth One Superman. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any other version that ever included this feature.

One question I've got is whether the cape will include a symbol on the back. Bryan Singer omitted the cape symbol to simplify life for the visual effects team. Zack Snyder deleted it because he thought the cape would look better without the symbol.

So, it would be kind of nice if someone would add it back to Superman's cape. I'm getting a little tired of the cape symbol getting written out of existence.

Anyway. Thoughts?

Like the yellow emblem for Batman that had been absent for too long, I'm hoping the yellow logo is back on Superman's cape. While I think this should serve as a celebration of classic Superman tropes (he needs it after so many evil/brainwashed plot lines), I'm also hoping we see a ton of stuff that's new to the films as well. Don't hold anything back thinking there will be other films to expand into. Put it on the screen now. Krypto. Brainiac. Galactic travel. A proper Fortress decked out with futuristic technology and relics.

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Man, I've been trying to be positive about this new cinematic reboot, but man, I really hate this suit reveal. It's too baggy with lots of padding. It just looks incredibly cheap.

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I'm usually wait and see with these suits, but this is an official still image. I agree completely. Looks cheap and too baggy. Given all the discourse about Snyder and Cavill being too dark, the Gunn reveal is set at night and not bathed in sunshine. Which makes it feel like an inferior knockoff to the real deal we just had. Superman also has a dead in the face expression. Where's the smiling we always apparently needed to have? He looks like a weary firefighter sick of going out to work, reluctantly putting on the uniform.

-- The Good
I sort of like the composition going on here. It looks like it could be a comic book cover. Big Giant Threat outside the window. And Superman is so accustomed to this type of thing that he resolutely gets his other business suit on to take care of Big Giant Threat.

I also like the colors in this photo. They pop pretty well. Considering my reintroduction to Superman on film was in that bland, dull publicity photo released from Superman Returns, anything is better than that.

Speaking of colors, I like how colorful the suit is. The SR suit was dull and muddy. I never approved of that wine-colored Fruit Rollup SR cape. So, the coloring on this new suit is right in my wheelhouse.

It LOOKS like the red trunks have been restored, which I think is also a bonus.

-- The Bad
I think I'll always prefer the low collar on the tunic that Snyder favored. It should show a bit of Superman's chest. The high collar seems influenced by The New 52. In fact, the high collar, the piping on the sleeves and chest, the clunky boots, ALL of that seems very New 52 to me. On that note, this uniform seems to be a strange amalgamation of the Earth One uniform, that New 52 uniform and a bit of Kingdom Come thrown in.

I don't think blending those various aesthetics together is creatively successful.

The enterprise looks cheap, like something you'd expect to see in a CW show. In fact, this looks like only a minor upgrade over the Superman outfit Tyler Hoechlin has been running around in for the past several seasons.

I, for one, NEVER needed them to bring the Reeve outfit out of mothballs. You all know me better than that. But I do believe there's a lot of mojo to the idea of a simple Superman outfit. Singer disregarded that. Snyder disregarded that. And now, it sure looks like Gunn is disregarding it too.

I called the red trunks above a bonus. And I stand by that. But I also question if modern audiences will accept them. There are reasons to think they won't. In fact, there are reasons to question Superman's entire box office viability at this point. And that would be my opinion even if comic book cinema wasn't the train wreck that it is today. But considering how the market appears to be shifting, I would've figured the best approach would be to make the most commercial aesthetic possible. And I don't think the red trunks fit into that equation, frankly.

-- The Ugly
Wtf is going on with that bulk? Is it padding or something? It's most noticeable in the shoulders and lower torso. Of all characters, I thought Superman's suit should look as skintight as possible. He is his own armor. Plus, it seems dramatically appropriate to emphasize his muscularity. Padding (or at least a bulky outfit) ruins that aesthetic.

-- Summary
I'm... not overly confident about this outfit. I don't think this is the visual direction that Superman in cinema should be headed into. The confused aesthetic influences, the strangely fitted uniform, the clunky boots, they all fit together to create a deep sense of reluctance on my part.

Yes, I wanted the Snyderverse (starring Cavill as Superman) to continue/be restored. But I was willing to give a reboot a fair shot. I'm not blinded by devotion here. Even so, this uniform design isn't inspiring very much in the way of confidence.

For all I know, Gunn will make the masterpiece Superman film that I've wanted my entire life. But even if he does, I'll still have to find a way to reconcile this suit design instead of celebrate it.

I look back at Dean Cain's Superman uniform from L&C's fourth season. For everything that show was and wasn't, that uniform was consistent with the rest of the series. Specifically, it had a homemade quality to it with a big and highly stylized chest symbol. Just to look at Cain wearing the outfit, you instantly understood something about L&C's approach to Superman as a character AND the tone of the show. Yes, it WAS a simple design. But it was also an effective design.

Gunn's Superman outfit is NOT a simple design. And it also doesn't seem to be a very effective design either.

My reluctance about this film has not been assuaged in the slightest.

Snyder had the right idea in removing the red diaper. It was modern, fresh and simply time to move in that direction on film IMO. The argument there's too much blue without them doesn't hold water anymore for me. Having them back just feels like a giant regression. Batman films since 1989 have gone without diapers and it's been fine. It's okay in animation and comics, but right now in a 2024/5 movie it's just out of place and a source of amusement. Don't worry, I get all the historical meaning behind them.

The pose is an odd choice for a reveal shot, but the costume itself... I don't know, it looks all right to me.

I don't like the tubing. I don't know why every modern superhero costume has to have that now. All those lines needlessly complicate what should be a simple design. I'm also not sold on the New 52 collar. But it might work. I'll wait and see what that looks like in other pictures. The texture looks a little rubbery, which I'm also not mad on. It's not as bad as Routh's costume, but I'd prefer a simpler fabric.

However, I do like the colours. I'm glad they've brought the trunks and belt back. The creases in the suit might look awkward in this pic, but they suggest a thinner and more flexible material that's a welcome change from the sculpted armour look. When it comes to Superman's costume, as a matter of personal preference I like it kept simple. These are my favourite live action Superman suits.


The Kirk Alyn and Superboy (1988-1992) costumes were good too. I know many people would say these costumes look silly. But then some would say a grown man flying through the sky wearing a blue bodysuit and red cape is silly anyway, regardless of the design specifics. I say embrace the fantasy and don't overcomplicate it.

Sculpted muscle suits are best reserved for slim average-build actors like Michael Keaton. All of the Superman actors have been tall and muscularly built. As long as the actor has the right body shape, he doesn't need padding or sculpted muscles. I don't know if Corenswet's suit has padding, but judging from this picture his personal trainer posted he doesn't need it.


I also like that they've brought back the spit curl. Corenswet's got that classic chiselled blue-eyed Superman look that Reeves, Reeve, Welling and Cavill all had. He's 6'3 or 6'4, depending on different sources, and he certainly looks the part. I'd like to see some better images of the costume – to see what he looks like standing up and striking a more heroic pose – but based on this early glimpse I think the suit looks ok. It's not my ideal Superman costume, and I'm not blown away by it. But so far it doesn't look terrible to me.

I like what the picture is trying to convey, but I must admt it looks very...cheap. I also think that the pose, while nice for what they're going for, is ill suited for the costume. My meaning is that the suit is obviously not built in a way that comidates the position and pose we see here. That's something that ought to have been considered before the taking of this picture. The material creasing and the obvious muscle suit don't look very nice scrunched like that, especially since its likely that the addition of the muscle suit is the major problem here. As Silver mentioned, the actor playing Superman got super jacked for the role. They added a muscle suit anyway, which is never good, because the bigger the guy the weirder the suit gets with all those layers. Either you show off the muscles or you let the actor stay slim and use the padding. I don't like the tubing either.

Now that I think about it, I probably ought to comment on Corenswet himself. He certainly looks the part. I'm not predicting anything. But if this film's legacy is that Corenswet is the best part of it, that wouldn't be a big surprise at this stage in the game. He looks powerful. If you ask me, Superman should always look large and in charge. And Corenswet is definitely on the right track as far as appearances are concerned.

Which fits with everything else, frankly. Gunn does seem to have assembled a great cast. I was battening down the hatches for what casting a Superman film in the modern era might lead to. But for the most part, the casting choices for this film have been very high quality.

If I had to guess, it'll probably be six or eight months before we see a teaser for the film. But I am very curious to see how this film will depict Superman flying.

I don't have the same buzz about Gunn's Superman that I had about The Batman and, to a greater extent, JOKER. But I am allowing for the possibility of this film winning me over.

Still not digging that Superman uniform tho, no doubts there.

I concur about the casting of Corenswet. He looks the part. As for the suit, I'm willing to see how it moves in live action opposed to this still. Which I maintain wasn't the best pose or scenario to go with.

I would say the majority of the cast look the part, so I'm good on that, but again, that suit looks pretty bad. Granted, I'm willing to see what it looks like in motion, and I can easily change my mind if it happens to look better, but yeah, not a good first look.

Oh well, we'll just have to wait for more in the coming year or so.

^ I remind myself that it could ALWAYS be worse. For example...

Quote from: Travesty on Thu,  9 May  2024, 23:38I would say the majority of the cast look the part, so I'm good on that, but again, that suit looks pretty bad. Granted, I'm willing to see what it looks like in motion, and I can easily change my mind if it happens to look better, but yeah, not a good first look.

Oh well, we'll just have to wait for more in the coming year or so.

Indeed, but the suit still isn't something I'll ever be on board with because of this:
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It's just a joke to me for a contemporary film, showing the character is a relic. It sticks out like a sore thumb and I really wish they didn't go back down this road after Snyder had the guts to go another route.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2024/05/07/james-gunns-first-superman-image-looks-like-ai-and-the-suit-doesnt-fit/?sh=47eed2d54555

This mediocre costume has been memed to death, to the point that Forbes ran an article saying the photo reveal looks AI-generated. The backlash must've been a huge blow to Gunn's ego. Never mind Cavill's suits, Brandon Routh's Kingdom Come costume in the Arrowverse COIE suit looks WAY more cinematic than this. Even Hoechlin's suit in Superman and Lois is better.

I noticed that Gunn tried to pander to the Twitter crowd by showing off with him taking a picture with a group of Superman comics writers who were all wearing generic S logo t-shirts the following day, but this is just a PR attempt to distract people from the negative reaction to the costume.

However, who really gives a sh*t if the costume is good or bad? Leave it to the internet to freak out over a costume reveal, but shrug its shoulders over the creepiness and shadiness of the director.