For those who aren't members of Batman-on-Film, it appears that Chris Nolan has not committed to doing a third Batman film, and the wait may be longer than 2012.
http://www.batman-on-film.com/BATMAN3_nolan-far-from-B3_6-16-09.html (http://www.batman-on-film.com/BATMAN3_nolan-far-from-B3_6-16-09.html)
This is NOT news that Nolan won't be back; just that he's not on-board yet and he may or may not be doing the next film, no one knows yet.
Quote from: zDBZ on Wed, 17 Jun 2009, 17:57
For those who aren't members of Batman-on-Film, it appears that Chris Nolan has not committed to doing a third Batman film, and the wait may be longer than 2012.
http://www.batman-on-film.com/BATMAN3_nolan-far-from-B3_6-16-09.html (http://www.batman-on-film.com/BATMAN3_nolan-far-from-B3_6-16-09.html)
This is NOT news that Nolan won't be back; just that he's not on-board yet and he may or may not be doing the next film, no one knows yet.
Dammit. That's disappointing if there's any truth in those rumours. I was hoping for a third film by 2011. Well, I guess it's time to get out our Burton DVDs in the meantime. Maybe, Warners can satiate the Batfans by re-releasing Burton's Batman films on DVD/Blue-ray between now and whenever Nolan (or whoever) make the next Batman movie, preferably with lots of new extras!
bleh i hope it ain't 2012. i thought it was supposed to be 2011.
think about it - 2012 is 20 years after Returns (better chance of promotion) - bring on the 20th anniversary blu-ray
Quote from: ral on Wed, 17 Jun 2009, 23:06
think about it - 2012 is 20 years after Returns (better chance of promotion) - bring on the 20th anniversary blu-ray
Mmmmm, I like the sound of that (but I hope that the promotion and the film do not overshadow
Returns' anniversary). 8)
Quote from: Dark Knight Detective on Wed, 17 Jun 2009, 23:14
Quote from: ral on Wed, 17 Jun 2009, 23:06
think about it - 2012 is 20 years after Returns (better chance of promotion) - bring on the 20th anniversary blu-ray
Mmmmm, I like the sound of that (but I hope that the promotion and the film do not overshadow Returns' anniversary). 8)
You definitly know that it will, it will overshadow everything coming out in whatever year it is released, I mean come on after the success of TDK the third film is going to be a huge success either way, the mainstream public (not just us die-hards) are all itchin to see the third film.
Quote from: ral on Wed, 17 Jun 2009, 23:06
think about it - 2012 is 20 years after Returns (better chance of promotion) - bring on the 20th anniversary blu-ray
Maybe this belongs on another thread but shouldn't we start petitioning WB for a packed special edition for Returns now? Even better, let's see if Criterion could do their own version. It's the kind of film that straddles the divide between blockbuster and art-house that would make sense among Criterion's catologue.
Nolan better bring us at least ONE MORE film. I want to see The Riddler done in live action THE RIGHT WAY. He's my favorite villain. If Nolan, doesn't show, then Bale won't show and then were in the same territory as we were when Batman Forever came out.
Quote from: Darrell Kaiser on Thu, 18 Jun 2009, 02:38
Nolan better bring us at least ONE MORE film. I want to see The Riddler done in live action THE RIGHT WAY. He's my favorite villain. If Nolan, doesn't show, then Bale won't show and then were in the same territory as we were when Batman Forever came out.
Unfortunately, I think you'd be right Darrell. Let's hope this is all hogwash.
Personally, I 'd love to see Catwoman in a future Nolan film. Although I love Michelle Pfeiffer's interpretation, I would still like to see a more faithful spin on the character as done by Nolan. The Riddler would be cool too, and could actually work quite well with Catwoman. I believe they were associates in Kingdom Come.
as long as they don't use the flight attendent story i want to see a new catwoman too. even i could have come up with a better origin than that! lol.
Quote from: DarkVengeance on Wed, 17 Jun 2009, 23:41
You definitly know that it will, it will overshadow everything coming out in whatever year it is released, I mean come on after the success of TDK the third film is going to be a huge success either way, the mainstream public (not just us die-hards) are all itchin to see the third film.
But things might change...
At this stage, anything revolving around a sequel to TDK is taken by me with a grain of salt. As there as been some various articles that go from plausible, to just downright odd (referring to the Eddie Murphy rumor in particular).
As far as villains go .... I'm very cool with seeing either Catwoman, the Riddler, or the Penguin. Though I lean more towards the Riddler since the general public really needs to discover, especially that part of the general public who completely ignores the Adam West series, that the Riddler isnt essentially Jim Carrey playing Jim Carrey.
Quote from: catwoman on Thu, 18 Jun 2009, 03:09
as long as they don't use the flight attendent story i want to see a new catwoman too. even i could have come up with a better origin than that! lol.
Flight Attendant? ::)
No, I don't like that idea either. She's a cat-burglar for goodness sake! ;D
i like the prostitute idea.
Quote from: catwoman on Thu, 18 Jun 2009, 03:43
i like the prostitute idea.
I actually hate that idea, and Im pretty sure Nolan wouldnt go that route anyways.
Quote from: DarkVengeance on Thu, 18 Jun 2009, 05:45
I actually hate that idea, and Im pretty sure Nolan wouldnt go that route anyways.
Agreed.
Cat-burglar, great! Orphaned vigilante, great! Mysterious socialite, great!
...but prostitute and flight attendant are not good, and we don't need another meek, submissive secretary/graphic designer either.
I can imagine how Nolan feels. How do you follow up to the second highest grossing film of all time?
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 18 Jun 2009, 10:23
I can imagine how Nolan feels. How do you follow up to the second highest grossing film of all time?
Exactly what Im saying, its good he's taking time away from it, creatively its the best idea for something like this. I want his mind fresh and ready to take on the film and know what he wants to do, we all know rushing third films is one of the reasons they always suck.
I will only watch this movie if Catwoman is in it. (No, not you Crystle! :P)
I sure as heck don't want to sit through 2 hours of riddles and puzzles. And as for the Penguin?! Man... I don't know how Nolan will pull that one off without butchering up the original character in his "realistic" vision. Wait... scratch that. I just remembered 2 Face in TDK.
Anyways, I'm all for Catwoman. :)
And I swear if frikken' Scare Crow makes another cameo in the 3rd film, I'm so gonna pop. >:(
Have a great day buds. ;)
Quote from: The Joker on Thu, 18 Jun 2009, 03:13
At this stage, anything revolving around a sequel to TDK is taken by me with a grain of salt. As there as been some various articles that go from plausible, to just downright odd (referring to the Eddie Murphy rumor in particular).
Exactly the way to take this. Unfortunately, it seems the press hasn't had that attitude since Jett wrote that article...
QuoteI sure as heck don't want to sit through 2 hours of riddles and puzzles. And as for the Penguin?! Man... I don't know how Nolan will pull that one off without butchering up the original character in his "realistic" vision. Wait... scratch that. I just remembered 2 Face in TDK.
Nolan has said that he considers the Penguin "far-fetched" and "tricky" to do in his world. Considering that the Penguin currently popular with the comics is the mob boss/arms dealer, I'm not sure how he's too "far-fetched," but he shouldn't be in the film if there's no room in the story anyhow.
Quote from: zDBZ on Thu, 18 Jun 2009, 18:57
Nolan has said that he considers the Penguin "far-fetched" and "tricky" to do in his world. Considering that the Penguin currently popular with the comics is the mob boss/arms dealer, I'm not sure how he's too "far-fetched," but he shouldn't be in the film if there's no room in the story anyhow.
If Nolan is dead set on not including the Penguin into any Batman film he directs, that's fine. But to say he's "tricky" doesnt make much sense.
Ehh im on the other side of things I am very excited to see Nolan do The Riddler and Penguin, Catwoman would be awesome to, and my dream is to finally see Batman get a worthy opponent to have an iconic battle ( Since out of 6 films there has not been one truly iconic battle ala Spiderman 2 Spidey and Doc Ock) with....BANE!!
Quote from: Batnar on Thu, 18 Jun 2009, 14:02
I will only watch this movie if Catwoman is in it. (No, not you Crystle! :P)
>:(
Quote from: DarkVengeance on Thu, 18 Jun 2009, 19:09
Ehh im on the other side of things I am very excited to see Nolan do The Riddler and Penguin, Catwoman would be awesome to, and my dream is to finally see Batman get a worthy opponent to have an iconic battle ( Since out of 6 films there has not been one truly iconic battle ala Spiderman 2 Spidey and Doc Ock) with....BANE!!
Somebody needs to do a decent Bane on film. He's the only Batman villain who is a real physical threat to Batman.
Agreed, Bane must be brought to life...properly.
I don't know if this is of any significance, but according to imdb.com, Christian Bale is attached to an "untitled Batman project". Now even though imdb.com is sort of like wikopedia, I remember Bale saying that he would only be on board as long as Nolan was on.
Bane could be used very well in Nolans world in a realistic fashion that fits the tone of the films and could still be pretty true to the character. He could use extreme steroids to pump in his veins to gain strength.
I really want to see batman in a long badass battle, something memorable I mean dosent it bother you guys that out of all of the films there truly isnt one extreme fight scene?
Quote from: DarkVengeance on Thu, 18 Jun 2009, 22:43
Bane could be used very well in Nolans world in a realistic fashion that fits the tone of the films and could still be pretty true to the character. He could use extreme steroids to pump in his veins to gain strength.
Yea i agree, Im tired of seeing the same villains over an over an over again. Bane would be somthing new and different that if done properly could totally work.
QuoteI really want to see batman in a long badass battle, something memorable I mean dosent it bother you guys that out of all of the films there truly isnt one extreme fight scene?
No extreme fights?!, What about Batman vs Black sunglasses guy.
Anyway Nolan not returning as director......Does anyone else have that horrible Schumacher feeling.
Quote from: Sandman on Fri, 19 Jun 2009, 03:14
Anyway Nolan not returning as director......Does anyone else have that horrible Schumacher feeling.
Sort of, hence why I posted "But things might change...".
Quote from: Dark Knight Detective on Fri, 19 Jun 2009, 03:17
Quote from: Sandman on Fri, 19 Jun 2009, 03:14
Anyway Nolan not returning as director......Does anyone else have that horrible Schumacher feeling.
Sort of, hence why I posted "But things might change...".
Yes indeed....Things change.
The only way WB would derail again would be if TDK was a failure. In other words, it ain't gonna happen.
Quote from: batass4880 on Fri, 19 Jun 2009, 03:25
The only way WB would derail again would be if TDK was a failure. In other words, it ain't gonna happen.
Batman Returns was a box office success, but Burton's third film was pulled.
Quote from: Dark Knight Detective on Fri, 19 Jun 2009, 03:30Batman Returns was a box office success, but Burton's third film was pulled.
Returns was a success with mixed reviews and the Brothers wanted it to make more, or at least the amount that '89 made. Yes Returns made more than three times it's money back but in their minds, it was a failure and that's how we got Schumacher. TDK however was HUMONGOUS!
Quote from: batass4880 on Fri, 19 Jun 2009, 03:39
Quote from: Dark Knight Detective on Fri, 19 Jun 2009, 03:30Batman Returns was a box office success, but Burton's third film was pulled.
Returns was a success with mixed reviews and the Brothers wanted it to make more, or at least the amount that '89 made. Yes Returns made more than three times it's money back but in their minds, it was a failure and that's how we got Schumacher. TDK however was HUMONGOUS!
Thanks to a huge hype an dare i say it, A certain somebodys death :-X
You've hit the nail right on the head, Sandman. :)
Quote from: Dark Knight Detective on Fri, 19 Jun 2009, 03:48
Quote from: Sandman on Fri, 19 Jun 2009, 03:45
Quote from: batass4880 on Fri, 19 Jun 2009, 03:39
Quote from: Dark Knight Detective on Fri, 19 Jun 2009, 03:30Batman Returns was a box office success, but Burton's third film was pulled.
Returns was a success with mixed reviews and the Brothers wanted it to make more, or at least the amount that '89 made. Yes Returns made more than three times it's money back but in their minds, it was a failure and that's how we got Schumacher. TDK however was HUMONGOUS!
Thanks to a huge hype an dare i say it, A certain somebodys death :-X
You've hit the nail right on the head, Sandman. :)
Never be afraid to speak the truth.
let me direct the next one. i could do good. of course catwoman would save the whole world and all the men would be useless bickering weasels. you guys might not appreciate that. :-\
Quote from: catwoman on Fri, 19 Jun 2009, 03:58
let me direct the next one. i could do good. of course catwoman would save the whole world and all the men would be useless bickering weasels. you guys might not appreciate that. :-\
Hey i'd still go see it, Couldn't be any worse then B&R.
Cast Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman! ;D
Quote from: Sandman on Fri, 19 Jun 2009, 04:01
Quote from: catwoman on Fri, 19 Jun 2009, 03:58
let me direct the next one. i could do good. of course catwoman would save the whole world and all the men would be useless bickering weasels. you guys might not appreciate that. :-\
Hey i'd still go see it, Couldn't be any worse then B&R.
i think i'm offended by that statement lol.
Quote from: catwoman on Fri, 19 Jun 2009, 03:58
let me direct the next one. i could do good. of course catwoman would save the whole world and all the men would be useless bickering weasels. you guys might not appreciate that. :-\
Kinda sounds like a Bret Easton Ellis novel. I'm game, Catwoman. :D
who the hell is that?
Quote from: catwoman on Fri, 19 Jun 2009, 05:41
who the hell is that?
Go read a few books why dont ya lol ;D
uh excuse you. that requires concentration and thought. not my thing.
Quote from: catwoman on Fri, 19 Jun 2009, 05:41
who the hell is that?
Author of "Less than Zero", "Rules of Attraction", "American Psycho", "The Informers", "Glamorama", "Lunar Park".
There's a number of men who are self absorbed bickering weasels found in alot of his books. ;D
Quote from: catwoman on Fri, 19 Jun 2009, 05:46
uh excuse you. that requires concentration and thought. not my thing.
Thats become quite obvious lol ::)
Quote from: catwoman on Fri, 19 Jun 2009, 05:46
uh excuse you. that requires concentration and thought. not my thing.
Yeah i got that problem.
Quote from: Sandman on Fri, 19 Jun 2009, 03:45
Thanks to a huge hype an dare i say it, A certain somebodys death :-X
*applauds*
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 18 Jun 2009, 10:23
I can imagine how Nolan feels. How do you follow up to the second highest grossing film of all time?
I also thought about that.
Before a break-up, there's usually a "I just need some time to think, ok?" period to warm up to the idea of the break-up. I hope it's not like this in this case, and it's simply that the guy just needs some rest and is a bit tired of the countless fanboy rumors and speculations about Batman Begins 3.
I hope we'll see a third good Batman movie by Nolan.
Quote from: silenig on Mon, 22 Jun 2009, 14:49
I hope we'll see a third good Batman movie by Nolan.
Yes, don't we all. Especially considering if Nolan does indeed make it official that he is bowing out in making a followup to The Dark Knight, we already know the infinite threads of, "What would Nolan's Batman 3 been like!?11!?" would no doubt come in full force.
If Nolan pulls out, the internet will crash
Quote from: silenig on Mon, 22 Jun 2009, 15:05
If Nolan pulls out, the internet will crash
Hmmm, what else would happen: the Nolan psychopathic extremists will go on a whinge craze & start protests, the "Schumacher Effect" might be in the next Batman film, & yet again, there will be no definite third Batman film.
Quote from: silenig on Mon, 22 Jun 2009, 15:05
If Nolan pulls out, the internet will crash
also dogs and cats...living together...mass hysteria!
I don't know about all that. I think a lot of Nolanites would probably take the line that Nolan is protecting the franchise, the character and the fans from a Superman III, Spider-Man III, Batman Forever, Star Trek III, etc. I could sooner think they'll find a way to excuse Nolan abandoning his story somehow than condemn him.
And in some ways, I'd sort of understand Nolan's decision. No matter how big and successful a third Nolan Batman movie is, it's most likely going to "disappoint". The movie could clear $400 million in the US (a hefty achievement for any film) and people would start speculating on audiences turning against Nolan's films.
On top of that, he's ideally positioned for the mother of all backlashes. If he ties up all the loose ends and gives a somewhat happy ending, some folks will bash him for taking the easy way out. If he uses the same "hollow victory" that he's used in BB and TDK, some folks might call him a one-trick pony. Or maybe they'll just be less forgiving of the trappings of his Batman movies ("Bale's voice really is kinda goofy," "those one-liners suck," "man, who writes this dialogue?!").
Strictly from the standpoint of his own sanity, there's some sense in him calling it a day with Batman movies and letting someone else take the risk.
Quote from: ral on Mon, 22 Jun 2009, 15:29
Quote from: silenig on Mon, 22 Jun 2009, 15:05
If Nolan pulls out, the internet will crash
also dogs and cats...living together...mass hysteria!
There may be a solution...we cross the streams...
cross the streams............
aim for the flattop
Nolan not returning.... MY GOD, IT WILL BE WW3!!!!
This chick is TOAST!
That's it, man. Game over, man. Game over
I'm with thecolorsblend. If I were Nolan, I'd be calling it a day now. Go out on top.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 23 Jun 2009, 01:18
I'm with thecolorsblend. If I were Nolan, I'd be calling it a day now. Go out on top.
Hummm well it didn't hurt Burton......Only the fans.
Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I agree with thecolorsblend.
Still, he could still do some some work for the prep/story/concept of BB3 as well as pass the reigns to someone appropriate, making sure the next Batman director isn't someone like Brett Ratner, MacGee, Ron Howard, Paul W.S. Anderson and the like. Another Brit like Ridley Scott maybe?
Yeah, I talk like he already left, but it's maybe like "You either quit a hero, or be in it long enough to see yourself become the victim of fanboy and audience rejection"
Quote from: silenig on Tue, 23 Jun 2009, 12:44
"You either quit a hero, or be in it long enough to see yourself become the victim of fanboy and audience rejection"
Well put.
I honestly can't see Nolan topping The Dark Knight. Ledger and Eckhart were the shining lights, and now they are both gone.
If not Nolan I'd like to see Michael Mann take the helm.He could do a smaller crime & character study while maintaining the gritty realism of TDK. Heat may be an epic movie but it had a very subtle and calm tone to it,while it delved into the lives of its ensemble cast.
Quoteaim for the flattop
I love 'em all but I must confess I wish we could've run with a Karate Kid theme here.
You got a problem with that?!
QuoteI'm with thecolorsblend. If I were Nolan, I'd be calling it a day now. Go out on top.
Exactly that. He's got little to gain and much to lose.
QuoteHummm well it didn't hurt Burton......Only the fans
Denise DiNovi can say what she wants but it made sense for Burton to want third helpings since BR's success wasn't terrifying and mythically unattainable. Nolan, on the other hand, is facing unspeakable expectations, not only from the studio but from the audiences. He's in a position where he can't possibly satisfy everyone.
QuoteI honestly can't see Nolan topping The Dark Knight. Ledger and Eckhart were the shining lights, and now they are both gone.
In many ways, I agree. TDK had phenomenal action sequences, good performances by anyone not named "Christian Bale" and genuine emotional ramifications for the lead characters. I just can't see it getting any better than that for Nolan.
What would a third movie gain him?
QuoteIf not Nolan I'd like to see Michael Mann take the helm.He could do a smaller crime & character study while maintaining the gritty realism of TDK. Heat may be an epic movie but it had a very subtle and calm tone to it,while it delved into the lives of its ensemble cast.
I wasn't the only one who thought TDK had a very Heat'ish tone.
If Nolan even is, or does get involved, we probably won't know until the movie starts going into production. Nolan is so secretive and protective of his Batman projects, so we probably won't here a whole lot if he signs on for a new film. WB is gonna be back in Forever mode though, after a great financial gain from TDK. If Nolan stalls or refuses, they won't hesitate to find someone who will do it.
I know some people would say that WB would have learned their lesson the first time, but in this day and age, it doesn't matter anymore. They know they could put out rushed, greed soaked trash again and not even worry because people will see it.
As great as TDK was, if WB knows a film like that can jet to the "number one movie, greatest film, puts the Godfather and Shawshank to shame" position, they won't be afraid to put crap out there again like B&R if they know we will pay for it.
QuoteHummm well it didn't hurt Burton......Only the fans
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Denise DiNovi can say what she wants but it made sense for Burton to want third helpings since BR's success wasn't terrifying and mythically unattainable. Nolan, on the other hand, is facing unspeakable expectations, not only from the studio but from the audiences. He's in a position where he can't possibly satisfy everyone.
I see what you mean, But lets face it Nolan has his fans wrapped round his finger. He could film 3 hours of Batman taking a dump or doing his taxes and his legion would still say it should win every Oscar.
Quote from: Sandman on Fri, 26 Jun 2009, 01:23
QuoteHummm well it didn't hurt Burton......Only the fans
Quote
Denise DiNovi can say what she wants but it made sense for Burton to want third helpings since BR's success wasn't terrifying and mythically unattainable. Nolan, on the other hand, is facing unspeakable expectations, not only from the studio but from the audiences. He's in a position where he can't possibly satisfy everyone.
I see what you mean, But lets face it Nolan has his fans wrapped round his finger. He could film 3 hours of Batman taking a dump or doing his taxes and his legion would still say it should win every Oscar.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
If not Nolan, than who?
Batdrew has already suggested Michael Mann (good choice). Who else would you add to the mix?
David Fincher? Possibly Zach Snyder? Would someone like Sam Mendes or Frank Darabont (who has had some experience of genre films) be interested?
Honestly, I can't imagine any of these guys doing it, and I don't even want to think of the alternatives (other greats like Spielberg and Cameron wouldn't even go within sniffing distance of the project), so I'm hoping Nolan commits to at least one more, preferably with the following villains, Carwoman, Bane and possibly The Riddler.
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Fri, 26 Jun 2009, 02:01
If not Nolan, than who?
Joel Schumacher, of couse! ;) :D
Quote from: Dark Knight Detective on Fri, 26 Jun 2009, 02:13
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Fri, 26 Jun 2009, 02:01
If not Nolan, than who?
Joel Schumacher, of couse! ;) :D
I laughed so hard i think i coughed up a lung.
Actually i really like the idea of Frank Darabont, Hes one of few Directors to actually cast people that are right for the role even If there a huge star or not.
Quote from: Dark Knight Detective on Fri, 26 Jun 2009, 02:13
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Fri, 26 Jun 2009, 02:01
If not Nolan, than who?
Joel Schumacher, of couse! ;) :D
Today, I guess the equivalent would be McG or Michael Bay...or worse, Paul W S Anderson... :-X
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Fri, 26 Jun 2009, 02:52
Quote from: Dark Knight Detective on Fri, 26 Jun 2009, 02:13
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Fri, 26 Jun 2009, 02:01
If not Nolan, than who?
Joel Schumacher, of couse! ;) :D
Today, I guess the equivalent would be McG or Michael Bay...or worse, Paul W S Anderson... :-X
Death Race rules.
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Fri, 26 Jun 2009, 02:52
Today, I guess the equivalent would be McG or Michael Bay...or worse, Paul W S Anderson... :-X
Now Paul THOMAS Anderson would be an interesting replacement. Though yeah, Mann would be the logical choice since I believe Nolan has stated that he was inspired by a particular film of his for 'The Dark Knight'.
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Fri, 26 Jun 2009, 02:52
Quote from: Dark Knight Detective on Fri, 26 Jun 2009, 02:13
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Fri, 26 Jun 2009, 02:01
If not Nolan, than who?
Joel Schumacher, of couse! ;) :D
Today, I guess the equivalent would be McG or Michael Bay...or worse, Paul W S Anderson... :-X
Hey,
Mortal Kombat: The Movie is a favorite film of mine!
Quote from: The Joker on Fri, 26 Jun 2009, 03:23
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Fri, 26 Jun 2009, 02:52
Today, I guess the equivalent would be McG or Michael Bay...or worse, Paul W S Anderson... :-X
Now Paul THOMAS Anderson would be an interesting replacement. Though yeah, Mann would be the logical choice since I believe Nolan has stated that he was inspired by a particular film of his for 'The Dark Knight'.
Paul
Thomas Anderson is currently my favourite newish director, although I can't see him doing a comic book movie. If he did though, I know it'd be amazing!
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Fri, 26 Jun 2009, 04:19
Paul Thomas Anderson is currently my favourite newish director, although I can't see him doing a comic book movie. If he did though, I know it'd be amazing!
Agreed. I don't see PTA doing any film related to comic books anytime soon, and if he did, you know it wouldn't be a sequel. But the idea of PTA directing a Batman film is an interesting thought. I'm sure it would be nothing short of spectacular.
Before he did the abortion otherwise known as Lady In The Water, I would've suggested M. Night Shayamasahasyashayalanan.
But between that and The Happening... ugh, no thanks.
Has Frank Darabont ever made a movie that's not a Stephen King adaptation? Meh, he might do okay, although I question his action chops.
Michael Mann would be an excellent choice, but I doubt it's a realistic one. I don't think an acclaimed 65 year old director would "waste" his time with a movie that's not only comic book, but a sequel as well. This is the prime reason it appals me to see people suggest Mann - it could never happen.
Somone like Fincher? Fincher (alongside Alex Proyas) were mentioned a lot during the "Dark Ages" of Batman movies.
Funny you mention Alexa proyas, I've always thought of him as a future director of Batman, he handles action very well and manages to get some pretty good performances out of his actors not to mention he has an acute visual style. Zack Snyder and JJ Abrams are two other directors I would also highly consider
But here's hoping that Burton returns some time in the future to do Batman again, whether it be a Dark Knight Returns or Batman Beyond type with an older Bruce Wayne.
I can hope...right? ;)
TDKR done be Burton would be epic.
Epic to the third degree, I agree. The funny thing is WB does have Snyder on a short list as possible director and we all know Snyder has a great visual sense and sticks true (for the most part) to the source materials for his films, so basically they are going back to the sort of Burton root, if you will. They are looking for a director that can handle the story, action and have a great visual style. It comes around full circle. In terms of visuals alone, Nolan is surpassed by quite a few directors.
We'll just have to wait and see.
I don't think Zack Snyder and J.J. Abrams would be suitable for Batman. The are more like "technicians", skilled directors and storytellers but not with much to "say". Burton and Nolan have their own "voice" as filmmakers (like Raimi or Del Toro that did excellent work with their comic movies), and I think the future Batman director should be someone like that, whoever that might be.
And. Here. We. Go.......again....
Is WB going to repeat this over again!?
Even if it's great, if they hire someone else who will do it closer and do it like Burtons as you put it, in terms of looks or realism, it may become different. Will he follow the realism?
Just look at X-Men, Wolverine contradicts the previous A LOT!! Hydrolic unnaturaly driven claws, even on it's poster...then...bone claws? I believe Striker even stated that "all we did is give you claws". At this point X-men needs a reboot as making it closer with the crap done makes it worse. Unfortionatly marvel invented the ultimate line at the same time to adapt to ALL the films put out rather making corrections. These cheap mistakes even make it into Woverines stand alone comics.
Also, Hayter only did the final draft of X-men and is of MANY writers, yet they say it like he's the only one. Go look at movies.yahoo.com, it's official and not editable by small people like wikipedia or imdb. Its the film's only barrier from being bashed, "hey Snake wrote it". Such bull.
Maybe he'll follow his realism or whatever.
If they get someone else to do the next Batman film, it will be a major disappoint. That simply put. It won't generate the same vibe as Nolans' films, and it will just be a commercial success.
Quote from: Joker89 on Sun, 28 Jun 2009, 20:32If they get someone else to do the next Batman film, it will be a major disappoint. That simply put. It won't generate the same vibe as Nolans' films, and it will just be a commercial success.
And if Nolan chooses not to come back? Is WB supposed to put the entire franchise on ice?
As for me, I could sooner believe Nolan's been given a deadline to respond. He's had a vacation, a film of his has been greenlit (and may well have started production for all I know) and it'll probably be finished (or else close to it) in six months. Methinks he'd better have an answer by then or else WB will move on with someone else.
In some ways, a hypothetical replacement has an even steeper mountain to climb. Not only would they face the same basic pressures and risks as Nolan, but they'd have none of the good will from the fans and audiences. On top of all that, they would take
all of the blame
when the film "underperforms". And in the unlikely event the third one does somehow outgross TDK, the director would probably not get much credit for it since he's simply continuing (in some way or another) Nolan's storyline.
You have to wonder how many people would be insane enough to take something like that on. I mean, seriously, who needs that kind of pressure?
Does Nolan even need that kind of pressure?
There is no chance in hell that the third film will come close to TDK in terms of box-office performance.
WB may well wait for Nolan in any case. What are the percieved reasons for the success of TDK? Nolan, Ledger and The Joker.
We only have 1 of those now - so they will wait. WB are too scared to do anything else - and always have been.
Disagreed. Warner Bros. is made up of moneymen. Smart business says to strike while the iron is hot. That looks like it breaks down to a movie every three years. Right now WB has unspeakably good market penetration with Batman so they can maybe swing four years. But after that, they'll lose their edge. WB cannot afford that if they want to maximize on what they've built with the franchise.
Right now, I'm sure their basic attitude is "whatever you say, Mr. Nolan". But if Nolan doesn't come up with a timeline, there will come a point when WB will find another director.
Keep in mind though, this all presupposes that Nolan hasn't sat down with them to talk about Batman; he may very well have. Who knows? There may very well be a plan in place right now and there's simply nobody who's ready to talk about it yet. But if he hasn't done that, their patience will eventually tire. For the good (and longevity) of the franchise, they'll find someone to continue the series.
Even if it's not Nolan.
Well said, colors. Agree with all of it.
i wasn't suggesting that WB wait indefinitely colors so i agree with you there, but i wouldn't be suprised if we had to wait an extra 2 years
It doesn't matter if Nolan's 3rd film will be sub-par because it's just going to get sugar coated by fanboys anyway. If it's a god's honest two-star movie, they're going to say it's just as good as the other two. And then the audience and some critics are going to be influenced by that. So there, problem solved for Nolan. I guarantee if he returns it's gonna happen
True, Nolan couldn't make bad Batman movie even if he tried to. Nolan could crap in a bucket, get Christian Bale to throw that bucket of crap at somebody, and then all the fanboys would rant about how this new film exceeds all expectation, and it will be voted to the top of the IMDB within three days of its release.
Quote from: Batmoney on Mon, 29 Jun 2009, 20:35
and it will be voted to the top of the IMDB within three days of its release.
LOL More like 10 months before the movie even comes out. I loved the way they bitched an cryed when TDK gone thrown of the number spot after 2 days.
^ And they wonder why I call 'em "the Nolan mafia" and "Nolan Nazis"...
LOL I call them much worse.
There is no way the box office will beat The Dark Knight, and we all know why. The Nolan crew won't admit it though.
Agreed. TDK was one of those perfect storms that come along sometimes where all the elements lined up. The marketing, the casting, (sadly) Ledger's passing, general interest in the franchise after BB, great word of mouth, etc. TDK was ideally positioned for big success. Any third film simply can't follow that.
Indeed.
I predict we will see a mild swelling of the BB figures.
Who would have thought that a movie can be TOO succesful?
It may be a good film, but it sure as Hell won't beat The Dark Knight, not unless they brought in Johnny Depp to take on the role of the Joker then....you never know....the box office may be in for another surprise. Johnny's movies have brought in tons of cash in the past, and I'm sure this would be no exception.
Quote from: Joker89 on Sat, 4 Jul 2009, 02:30It may be a good film, but it sure as Hell won't beat The Dark Knight, not unless they brought in Johnny Depp to take on the role of the Joker then....you never know....the box office may be in for another surprise. Johnny's movies have brought in tons of cash in the past, and I'm sure this would be no exception.
I guess I could be wrong (although what are the odds of that?) but I can't picture Depp being offered or accepting the role.
On top of that, I can't really envision his participation making a big difference either way. He'd be compared to Ledger who, lest we forget, won an Oscar in the role. Ledger is the Joker for this generation and I don't think they'd easily accepted someone else in the role. Not even Capt. Jack Sparrow.
But even if they did, I definitely can't imagine it making all that big a difference to the box office. TDK is lightning in a bottle. You won't see that again any time soon from any movie, Batman or not.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Sun, 5 Jul 2009, 06:47
On top of that, I can't really envision his participation making a big difference either way. He'd be compared to Ledger who, lest we forget, won an Oscar in the role. Ledger is the Joker for this generation and I don't think they'd easily accepted someone else in the role. Not even Capt. Jack Sparrow.
Agreed. Ledger is now a martyr. You cannot compete with that type of power. However is the next villain, they will just not measure up to him - no matter what. Even if he/she is better, the fans won't allow it.
^ Good point, and yet another argument against continuing the franchise in it's current form. If the film hadn't been as ridiculously successful as it was, if audiences (or at least the Nolanites) hadn't so vociferously clutched on to Ledger, if if if, there'd be a good argument for finishing off the trilogy... but the way that it is now, it could only lead to disappointment.
WB, I'm sure, will continue the franchise and it'll make a killing, I'm sure, but the critics are going to have their crosshairs lined up and the fans are going to have their blinders on.
Seriously, what's the gain here?
I can still picture the next film making $300 million easy.
The film could suck and it would still make a lot at the Box Office. Look at Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen. I wouldn't go to see that movie even if it were free. But it's making tons of money at the Box Office. Why? Because some people enjoyed the first one and now they're back for seconds.
Something I just never understood with sequels. Like Shrek 2 and Shrek The Third and the Pirates of the Caribbean Sequels?? Those movies weren't very good at all and they beat out films that actually deserved a top 10 spot. So I would hope that the next Batman film is fantastic, critically and financially like The Dark Knight making the Batman franchise one of the most popular franchises in movie history beside Star Wars.