https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N73oTiIIJe0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh3AK1nQ-R4
Yay, this movie is one step closer to being not vaporware
Pierce Brosnan has been cast as Dr. Fate in Black Adam.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...nson-exclusive
Sounds good to me! Can't say I am a Doctor Fate aficionado, but I've always thought Fate has one of the coolest looking costumes in DC Comics. That helmet, along with the blue and gold contrast just looks outstanding.
Quote from: The Joker on Sun, 28 Mar 2021, 23:47
Pierce Brosnan has been cast as Dr. Fate in Black Adam.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...nson-exclusive
Sounds good to me! Can't say I am a Doctor Fate aficionado, but I've always thought Fate has one of the coolest looking costumes in DC Comics. That helmet, along with the blue and gold contrast just looks outstanding.
Not terribly interested in the film but I like this casting a lot. Pierce is a genuinely cool, down to earth guy.
First there were rumours of The Rock wanting Cavill back as Superman for Black Adam.
Now there are rumours that he wants the Snyderverse to continue...even going so far to want Black Adam to fight Snyder's JL.
https://geekositymag.com/the-rock-wants-zack-snyders-justice-league-in-black-adam-sequel/
It sounds incredible, but let's hope this is true.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 30 Mar 2021, 03:29
Not terribly interested in the film
I don't know what I was typing here, because I have no interest in this film. Just when you thought the DCEU couldn't be any more embarassing, word is the film has another headless Superman cameo, or Superman covered in darkness covering his likeness. The epitome of lazy, insulting and cheap because they won't fully commit to Cavill. Just reboot the damn thing.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 2 Jul 2022, 23:51
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 30 Mar 2021, 03:29
Not terribly interested in the film
I don't know what I was typing here, because I have no interest in this film. Just when you thought the DCEU couldn't be any more embarassing, word is the film has another headless Superman cameo, or Superman covered in darkness covering his likeness. The epitome of lazy, insulting and cheap because they won't fully commit to Cavill. Just reboot the damn thing.
Reject modernity; embrace horror films. It's worked out great for me.
It's a sign of the insane times we inhabit that a studio would attempt to continue a DC cinematic universe without Superman.
WB has squandered Cavill. It's been over a decade since he was cast in the role, and how many live action solo Superman films has the studio produced in that time? One. In the last decade alone, Spider-Man has had five live action solo movies. But Superman only gets one? That's not right.
WB string fans along with Cavill-less cameos that won't lead anywhere for him because they have already moved on with Supergirl and a black Superman movie. That's why Cavill isn't featuring in these cameos. They washed their hands of the guy long ago and just need the iconography of the suit before The Flash movie rips things apart. Superman was central to the Snyder timeline - to cut it all short he was kicked to the curb. When this conduct becomes the norm it severely impacts the overall enjoyment of characters people innately loved. I'm at that point. I've got The Batman, Joker, Mission Impossible and the MonsterVerse if I'm wanting anything new to anticipate. The DCEU and black Superman projects are just stains. If I want anything else, be it music, film or literary, it's from the The Good Old Days.
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sun, 3 Jul 2022, 22:35
It's a sign of the insane times we inhabit that a studio would attempt to continue a DC cinematic universe without Superman.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 4 Jul 2022, 13:44WB string fans along with Cavill-less cameos that won't lead anywhere for him because they have already moved on with Supergirl and a black Superman movie. That's why Cavill isn't featuring in these cameos. They washed their hands of the guy long ago and just need the iconography of the suit before The Flash movie rips things apart.
This is history that neither of you might know.
From the Forties up through, oh, maybe the late Nineties, Superman was clearly DC's flagship character. The other characters were cool. But it was Superman who had the historical pedigree.
But in the early 2000's, that started changing. DC started counting beans and realized Batman comics and Batman merch far outsold Superman. Little by little, Batman gradually supplanted Superman as DC's core character. By the time you get into the late 2000's, DC was filled to the brim with people who didn't understand Superman. There's a reason Superman got done dirtier by The New 52 relaunch than anyone else. Because DC alternately didn't understand him or, in a few cases, outright despised him.
It seems like WB/WBE/WBD/whatever is entering similar waters. Cavill's utter disrespect, headless cameos, Diverse Superman, Diverse Supergirl replacing Cavill Superman, those things are the end result.
Honestly, I've lived so long with this fanboy heartburn that it barely registers anymore. "Oh, WB has found a new way to stain Superman, golly, must be a day ending in Y."
The old comics and our own memories are the last resting place for the character now. Because we simply cannot trust what comes next. Case in point this image from the new animated series.
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/1swWwRgu0GlOFcByPb2HC0C2KhY=/0x0:8000x4500/1520x1013/filters:focal(2661x896:3941x2176):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/69310674/WBA_Superman_Image.0.jpg)
A sissy soyboy cowering as the masculine Lois stands tall, with racebended Jimmy looking on. Modern culture has smeared the construct of Superman and made him even more of a left wing fantasy for my liking. An illegal alien who works for a fake news publication with the American Way tagline officially scrapped. Superman is seen as a mascot for America, which explains the way he's depicted now. It's all about Globalization not patriotism and diversity bingo. It all feels too much like a lesson in reeducation rather than entertainment.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 5 Jul 2022, 00:25
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/1swWwRgu0GlOFcByPb2HC0C2KhY=/0x0:8000x4500/1520x1013/filters:focal(2661x896:3941x2176):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/69310674/WBA_Superman_Image.0.jpg)
jfc
https://youtu.be/JaV7mmc9HGw
https://youtu.be/fXEOXVZIQVM
Aside from the inspiring casting of Pierce Brosnan as Doctor Fate, I feel Black Adam is going to be generic. One trailer borrows the flat humour you'd normally see in MCU movies (no big surprise seeing as this is the last movie produced by Hamada), the other borrows a lot of imagery from MOS and X-Men.
The Rock has been promoting this movie as "the hierarchy of the DC Universe is about to change". If he truly thinks Black Adam is going to replace Superman in terms of popularity then he is sorely mistaken. Massive ego he has going there.
The hype surrounding this film is pretty low, from what I can tell. If Henry Cavill were to return as Superman for one scene then maybe it could salvage its box office?
If I ever see Black Adam, it will likely be when it streams online. Otherwise, I don't have any plans to go see it at the cinema.
So, the Henry Cavill Superman cameo rumours have resurfaced again. Word going around is he appears in the blue and red suit, with the John Williams theme playing in the background as he confronts Black Adam during a post-credits scene.
If that's true then that's lazy nostalgia bait. Reverting back to the traditional costume colours is one thing, but going back to the Williams theme is tiresome and doesn't fit. Yes, the Williams theme is be a beloved classic, but it's frustrating how Superman is stuck with the same theme all the time. Love or hate it, Batman is allowed to have multiple and distinctive musical themes for each interpretation. But Superman music isn't allowed to change. Why?
If the Cavill rumour is true then surely this means he has a future again and his own Superman sequel is not too far from becoming reality. The question is, what sort of Superman should we expect? If it's not a return to the Snyderverse version, are we looking at a soft reboot?
You know, the prospects for Black Adam sound pretty dire if the hype surrounding the film is all focused on whether or not Cavill makes a five-second cameo. But if it turns out false like how his expected appearance at SDCC didn't turn out then I will laugh out loud.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Thu, 6 Oct 2022, 13:51
So, the Henry Cavill Superman cameo rumours have resurfaced again. Word going around is he appears in the blue and red suit, with the John Williams theme playing in the background as he confronts Black Adam during a post-credits scene.
If that's true then that's lazy nostalgia bait. Reverting back to the traditional costume colours is one thing, but going back to the Williams theme is tiresome and doesn't fit. Yes, the Williams theme is be a beloved classic, but it's frustrating how Superman is stuck with the same theme all the time. Love or hate it, Batman is allowed to have multiple and distinctive musical themes for each interpretation. But Superman music isn't allowed to change. Why?
If the Cavill rumour is true then surely this means he has a future again and his own Superman sequel is not too far from becoming reality. The question is, what sort of Superman should we expect? If it's not a return to the Snyderverse version, are we looking at a soft reboot?
You know, the prospects for Black Adam sound pretty dire if the hype surrounding the film is all focused on whether or not Cavill makes a five-second cameo. But if it turns out false like how his expected appearance at SDCC didn't turn out then I will laugh out loud.
Oh...
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 4 Jul 2022, 13:44
WB string fans along with Cavill-less cameos that won't lead anywhere for him because they have already moved on with Supergirl and a black Superman movie. That's why Cavill isn't featuring in these cameos. They washed their hands of the guy long ago and just need the iconography of the suit before The Flash movie rips things apart.
As Batman said in Returns, "things change." And in this instance dramatically so.
On one hand, I can't help but see The Rock's demeanor as egotistical despite his assertion of looking out purely for the fans. I've never been much of a fan, nor did I ever see his appeal as 'the next Arnold Schwarzenegger' type leading man. But if he has fought to bring back Cavill's Superman long term, an incarnation I long believed to be dead in the water, I have to acknowledge that. If Cavill's only entry point back onto the big screen has to be via a Rock vehicle, so be it. Even better if the black Superman projects have been put on ice, and any possible future DCEU Superman stories avoid that level of brazen politically correct statements and instead aim for crowd pleasing entertainment.
Black Adam, unsurprisingly, has been classified officially as a flop, and inside talk asserts that there will not be a sequel.
'The world needed a hero. It got Flop Adam'.
Flop Adam is another black eye, particularly to Johnson. He was front and centre pushing this thing and the box office response can be seen as a rejection of not just the DCEU but him too. He's not as popular as he thinks he is.
Johnson spoke a lot of trash in the lead up to the film's release, and afterwards he's been meek and making excuses. After a lot of teasing about future plans, a sequel is dead on arrival and one wasn't deserved anyway. In the aftermath you can see a lot of his strategy was built on pressuring the studio with public comments and hoping for the best, with nothing concrete set in stone. The flop didn't help his cause at all, and Johnson is trying to claim merchandising makes the film profitable. Sir, you are grasping at straws and know it's all about the box office take.
Johnson was more eager to talk about the ten second Superman cameo than the preceding two hours of content, as if he knew that was the only hook he had to generate any form of excitement. But Cavil's future now seemingly in rigor mortis (along with everyone else in the Snyder continuity) makes the cameo pointless now. Besides, people saw it on YouTube without even having to enter a cinema.
Cavill never had a contract in place when he put the video out. What a farcical way to bow out of the franchise - being guillotined after saying he's back. Johnson may have had a degree of influence before, but with Gunn in place he's pulling the strings. A hard reboot looks certain.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 8 Dec 2022, 08:55
'The world needed a hero. It got Flop Adam'.
Flop Adam is another black eye, particularly to Johnson. He was front and centre pushing this thing and the box office response can be seen as a rejection of not just the DCEU but him too. He's not as popular as he thinks he is.
Johnson spoke a lot of trash in the lead up to the film's release, and afterwards he's been meek and making excuses. After a lot of teasing about future plans, a sequel is dead on arrival and one wasn't deserved anyway. In the aftermath you can see a lot of his strategy was built on pressuring the studio with public comments and hoping for the best, with nothing concrete set in stone. The flop didn't help his cause at all, and Johnson is trying to claim merchandising makes the film profitable. Sir, you are grasping at straws and know it's all about the box office take.
Johnson was more eager to talk about the ten second Superman cameo than the preceding two hours of content, as if he knew that was the only hook he had to generate any form of excitement. But Cavil's future now seemingly in rigor mortis (along with everyone else in the Snyder continuity) makes the cameo pointless now. Besides, people saw it on YouTube without even having to enter a cinema.
Cavill never had a contract in place when he put the video out. What a farcical way to bow out of the franchise - being guillotined after saying he's back. Johnson may have had a degree of influence before, but with Gunn in place he's pulling the strings. A hard reboot looks certain.
It felt like a movie from 1996, too much action, not enough story, and even then the moral of the story is that Adam has nothing to learn, actually, the heroes are wrong, and Dr Fate has to give Adam a b***job at the end just to make sure that you understand that. Adrianna Tomaz is on the one hand concerned what her son learns from Adam and on the other can't stop being his cheerleader. Even at the end when Hawkeye tries to inject some spark of rebuttal, she's there to stomp on it again "No, we will not learn anything from this. Thank you."
Quote from: Gotham Knight on Thu, 8 Dec 2022, 01:33
Black Adam, unsurprisingly, has been classified officially as a flop.
This article by Deadline argues otherwise.
https://deadline.com/2022/12/dwayne-johnson-black-adam-box-office-profit-1235191135/
I haven't seen this film, so I have no personal investment in its success or failure. But I really doubt the Rock is THAT stupid to boast Black Adam's franchise potential if the revenue wasn't forthcoming.
I get the idea that all anybody from WBD wanted was for Black Adam to come out and not embarrass anybody. And it seems to have succeeded in that. I don't imagine that anybody will apologize for their involvement with Black Adam ten years from now.
This article explains the box office rather well:
https://www.sportskeeda.com/comics/dwayne-johnson-says-black-adam-making-profits-ends-embarrassing
QuoteWith a $195 million production budget and about $100 million spent on marketing, Black Adam's total cost came to almost $300 million. However, its worldwide box office total only stands at $384 million. Hence, deducting a rough 50% cut of the theaters, the studio would get around 192-$195 million. This practically means that Black Adam loses around $100 million.
However, a WB representative claimed that Black Adam only needed $400 million to break even instead of $600 million. According to Deadline and the Rock, the movie will be saved by its home video release and streaming release. The outlet claims that outside of the theatrical numbers, the film is supposed to make around $200 million from digital and streaming rentals.
From a pure word of mouth cinema experience it was underwhelming and didn't hit the mark. They're scraping, even into merchandising, just to get to a number that seems respectable. Even then it's an estimate. And that's assuming the WB rep is even telling the truth about the $400 million break even point. Way I see it, Johnson is trying to reduce the embarrassment after talking such a big game about changing the hierarchy.
There's some definite number-fudging going on here. Hollywood accounting is dodgy at the best of times, and Warner Bros is notoriously bad at it. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (2007) grossed over $942 million on a production budget of $200 million, and yet WB still ended up losing approximately $167 million on the picture: https://deadline.com/2010/07/studio-shame-even-harry-potter-pic-loses-money-because-of-warner-bros-phony-baloney-accounting-51886/
Black Adam has so far grossed $389 million worldwide on a production budget that might be as high as $230 million. Unless there's some massive ancillary revenue stream we don't know about – like merchandise sales or product placement deals amounting to about $400 million or more in profit – then there's no way this film is breaking even at the box office. According to every technical definition of the term, Black Adam is a bomb.
I understand why Johnson's reluctant to admit this. It's damaging for his career. Until now, he was one of the few actors said to retain real star power. One of the few big names that could guarantee a decent return on investment at the box office. Black Adam's underperformance shows that his name no longer has the marquee value it once did, which means one of the last so-called "movie stars" can no longer draw crowds sizeable enough to warrant his exorbitant salary. Tarantino recently made the following comment about movie stars in superhero films:
Quote"Part of the Marvel-isation of Hollywood is...you have all these actors who have become famous playing these characters. But they're not movie stars. Right? Captain America is the star. Or Thor is the star. I mean, I'm not the first person to say that. I think that's been said a zillion times... but it's like, you know, it's these franchise characters that become a star."
He's 100% correct. Meanwhile GQ ran the following article about Johnson and Black Adam:
QuoteBlack Adam's flop signals the slow death of the movie star
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/culture/article/black-adam-dwayne-johnson-death-movie-star
Major Hollywood stars are absurdly overpaid to begin with, and it's getting more and more difficult for them to justify those salaries. The return on investment just doesn't support it anymore, especially with global box office continuing to decline. It's brand names that sell tickets now, not actors' names.
Now Johnson's being accused of leaking false information to Deadline to put a positive spin on the movie's performance.
https://comicbookmovie.com/black_adam/did-black-adam-star-dwayne-johnson-or-his-team-leak-misleading-details-about-the-movie-a198314#gs.l2i5kp
I've no idea if this is true or not, but he should probably just take the loss and move on.
The problem that many actors are facing is that residuals have dried up. Ten or twenty years ago, an actor could get made a relatively meager salary with some hope (often justified) that residuals would make up for that. For example, Bob Gunton is just about the epitome of "working actor". But he did one time let slip that his residuals from playing the warden in The Shawshank Redemption came out to six figures some years, which was very much NOT the norm. He indicated that a working actor comparable to him should probably pull down six figures TOTAL in a given year. But Shawshank is such a beloved movie that he made tons of money off it.
Back in those days. These days, it's doubtful.
What changed? Frankly, streaming. As streaming becomes a bigger part of the business for movie studios, the various unions and guilds are not making the money that they used to make. To compensate, the members typically have no choice but to demand a higher salary upfront.
(Yes, the guilds get paid residuals from streaming. But putting that single fact aside, streaming residuals are more complicated and less lucrative than old school residuals.)
Ironically, this is the very state of affairs that the 2007 WGA strike was partially meant to avoid. Somebody from WGA saw the writing on the wall and tried to fight early. In retrospect, it might've been too early. That WGA strike wasn't a total failure. But it was hardly a rousing success either.
Either way, it's likely that another strike will happen in the near future. And the perception most people have is that actors are all overpaid. True or not, that's how most people see it. So, it's unlikely that SAG will go on strike. Ditto WGA. If WGA was capable of getting the job done, they would have done it back in 2007. The producers' guild can't strike either because their job is so nebulous that you can't make a news narrative out of that.
So, I think we should expect the DGA to announce a strike. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow. But my guess is that within the next five years, rockstar directors will begin priming the pump in the Hollywood trades and on social media maybe six months or a year before a strike occurs. And once DGA goes on strike, it's sort of a no-brainer that the other guilds will join them in solidarity.
If WGA couldn't get the job done in 2007, it's wide open to speculation if WGA will be any more successful in the future. But they're the guild with the best chance of success, in my estimation. So, I would expect them to ultimately be the one to call the strike.
I could be very wrong about all of the above. But in Hollywood, money talks. And at this moment, there's a lot less money than there used to be, which nobody likes.
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Tue, 13 Dec 2022, 15:33
There's some definite number-fudging going on here.
Without a doubt. If it was an outright box office success the spin wouldn't be needed.
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Tue, 13 Dec 2022, 15:33
Now Johnson's being accused of leaking false information to Deadline to put a positive spin on the movie's performance.
https://comicbookmovie.com/black_adam/did-black-adam-star-dwayne-johnson-or-his-team-leak-misleading-details-about-the-movie-a198314#gs.l2i5kp
I've no idea if this is true or not, but he should probably just take the loss and move on.
I'm inclined to believe that. He was promoting the article a lot on his social media page as if it was all the proof he needed to end the debate. But if the article is actually read it doesn't do that at all. At the end of the day, the cinema going public were not as interested in his plans as much as he was. He's never going to admit that, so I'd rather things end here for all involved. There are more interesting films to make if they're determined to keep a shared universe alive.
From a recent Dark Crisis (whatever that is) comic book. Can you smell what Black Adam is cooking?
(https://i.redd.it/nnlgj6gy937a1.jpg)
It's funny. There are times when "corporate synergy" can backfire. But it's pretty rare for it to backfire this badly this quickly.
I'm thinking comic book Black Adam's resemblance to irl Dwayne Johnson probably won't last much longer.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 5 Jul 2022, 00:25The old comics and our own memories are the last resting place for the character now. Because we simply cannot trust what comes next. Case in point this image from the new animated series.
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/1swWwRgu0GlOFcByPb2HC0C2KhY=/0x0:8000x4500/1520x1013/filters:focal(2661x896:3941x2176):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/69310674/WBA_Superman_Image.0.jpg)
A sissy soyboy cowering as the masculine Lois stands tall, with racebended Jimmy looking on. Modern culture has smeared the construct of Superman and made him even more of a left wing fantasy for my liking. An illegal alien who works for a fake news publication with the American Way tagline officially scrapped. Superman is seen as a mascot for America, which explains the way he's depicted now. It's all about Globalization not patriotism and diversity bingo. It all feels too much like a lesson in reeducation rather than entertainment.
I truly don't know if this is the best thread to continue this aspect of the discussion. But since this is the only post I can find referencing this animated series, and since I have zero intention of starting a separate thread for it, here you go.
Apparently, the show isn't that bad. But it's not so great either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewW2QgARGd4
All in all, not recommended.