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Brandon Routh is returning as Superman for a CW crossover:

https://deadline.com/2019/07/tyler-hoechlin-brandon-routh-superman-arrowverse-crossover-the-cw-1202649053/

Does this mean the door's open for Dean Cain to return as well? If so, let's hope they both get treated better than John Wesley Shipp's Flash.

CW shows are pure trash IMO, but I am intrigued to see Routh reprise his role after 13 years.

Blandon is pretending to be Superman again, yay.

FML

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Fri, 19 Jul  2019, 21:10
Blandon is pretending to be Superman again, yay.

FML

I think Routh is a good actor - for TV only. I liked his portrayal as Ray Palmer/Atom much better than his role as Superman. But moviewise, he isn't up to standard.

With that all said, this news to me reflects the state of affairs of how broken Warner/DC is as a brand right now. Among all the horrible decisions they've made over the last couple of years in movies and TV, one of the biggest issues is they continue to pander to nostalgia when it comes to Superman. I only watched Tyler Hoechlin's Superman in his first appearance on Supergirl, and I kept getting the impression they were trying too hard to make him a Reeve caricature, as a way to appease the Cavill detractors. Worse, it really feels like the CW is trying desperately hard to rewrite the narrative that Routh's Superman was a popular interpretation, despite the fact SR resulted in a seven year movie hiatus and was the reason why we got Cavill and Snyder in the first place.

I used to watch all the Arrowverse shows for the first three seasons, but I stopped in 2016. Time took its toll, and I won't lie, I was getting tired of the freak of the weak formula. If it's true all of the shows' quality have descended into Arrow Season 3 garbage, I'm disappointed but perhaps not that surprised. Judging by the quality of the acting and FX in this clip from the Elseworlds crossover, I think I made the right decision.

https://youtu.be/oOKVFAuanyY

By the way, I heard a rumour that Hoechlin might portray the Kingdom Come Superman in the next crossover. If he acts as bad as that scene I shared, God help us. I can't believe John Ostrander believes Hoechlin is a better actor than Cavill.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Fri, 19 Jul  2019, 17:05
Brandon Routh is returning as Superman for a CW crossover:

https://deadline.com/2019/07/tyler-hoechlin-brandon-routh-superman-arrowverse-crossover-the-cw-1202649053/

Does this mean the door's open for Dean Cain to return as well? If so, let's hope they both get treated better than John Wesley Shipp's Flash.

I don't rate Routh or the film he appears in, so I'm not treating this as a glorious homecoming. It's more about trying to integrate a one-and-done footnote into the greater franchise. I don't have any confidence in the CW universe, nor do I watch any of it. As for Cain, I'd rather he try and get another L&C season off the ground with Terri Hatcher.

Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Fri, 19 Jul  2019, 23:53
By the way, I heard a rumour that Hoechlin might portray the Kingdom Come Superman in the next crossover.

Now I'm hearing Routh is the one who will play the KC Superman. Either way, I don't have any confidence the CW will do it any justice. The fact that Routh is playing Superman again and Cavill likely won't is disheartening.

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It's been confirmed Routh will be wearing the costume of the Kingdom Come Superman. Apparently the Superman Returns suit was off limits for some reason. Didn't they already use it in the final season of Smallville? Regardless, here's the big reveal.


It's still unclear whether this is the same Superman he portrayed in 2006 wearing a new suit, or a completely different iteration based on Waid's version. I'm hoping the former, because at 39 years of age Routh is far too young to be playing the Kingdome Come Superman. If anything, Dean Cain should be playing that version. Cain's in his early fifties, but he's in excellent shape and would fill out the suit better than Routh.


Then again this crossover will most likely be as bad as the earlier ones, so maybe he's better off out of it.

Regarding Routh, I'm not sure how much of his blandness in the 2006 film was down to his limitations as an actor or the limitations Singer imposed on him. Brandon never really got to create his own Superman, but was instead cast as the reflection of the shadow of the ghost of the Christopher Reeve Superman. It's rather like being asked to transcribe a poem that somebody else has already written, just because your handwriting vaguely resembles theirs. This time they might let him put his own spin on things, and that's what I'm intrigued to see. I genuinely don't know how good an actor Routh is. I think I've only seen him in a couple of things other than Superman, and neither of them was very memorable. But I'm interested to see him get another shot at playing Superman.

Speaking of old DC actors returning to the fold, it's also been announced that Burt Ward will be appearing in the crossover event: https://io9.gizmodo.com/holy-cavalcade-of-cameos-batman-burt-ward-joins-cws-c-1836562094

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 20 Jul  2019, 03:40I don't have any confidence in the CW universe, nor do I watch any of it.

You're not missing much.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 20 Jul  2019, 03:40As for Cain, I'd rather he try and get another L&C season off the ground with Terri Hatcher.

I'm currently re-watching Lois & Clark for the umpteenth time (I love that show) and am now nearing the end of season 3. Not long ago I posted on this site that I'd love to see a revival of the series, but now I'm not so sure. They'd most likely do it as a CW show and the quality wouldn't compare with the original series. It would have been difficult enough doing a reunion without Lane Smith, but since Eddie Jones also passed away earlier this month I think the ship has probably sailed. L&C was the product of a more innocent age. The only other comic book adaptations I can think of with a comparable level of charm are the sixties Batman, Superman: The Movie and Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy. I don't think they could recapture it now.

But I would like to see Cain return to the role. Maybe in a live action Kingdom Come movie. Or failing that, he could voice him in an animated film.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sun, 21 Jul  2019, 17:29
Regarding Routh, I'm not sure how much of his blandness in the 2006 film was down to his limitations as an actor or the limitations Singer imposed on him. Brandon never really got to create his own Superman, but was instead cast as the reflection of the shadow of the ghost of the Christopher Reeve Superman. It's rather like being asked to transcribe a poem that somebody else has already written, just because your handwriting vaguely resembles theirs. This time they might let him put his own spin on things, and that's what I'm intrigued to see. I genuinely don't know how good an actor Routh is. I think I've only seen him in a couple of things other than Superman, and neither of them was very memorable. But I'm interested to see him get another shot at playing Superman.

I kinda lend towards Routh's blandness being a combination of both his limited abilities, and the gig he was offered to portray Superman. I agree that other roles he has been seen in haven't been especially stellar. I remember Routh played another comic based character, Dylan Dog or something. A few years or so following Superman Returns. Don't think the film did anything for Routh's career. He's been playing the Atom on CW, and from what I've seen, I guess he's atleast adequate. Truthfully, I kinda lump an actor like Brandon Routh with an actor like Chris Evans, in that both have had continued recognition from hollywood, based in large part to films/tv based on comic book properties. 

QuoteSpeaking of old DC actors returning to the fold, it's also been announced that Burt Ward will be appearing in the crossover event: https://io9.gizmodo.com/holy-cavalcade-of-cameos-batman-burt-ward-joins-cws-c-1836562094

That's cool.

QuoteI'm currently re-watching Lois & Clark for the umpteenth time (I love that show) and am now nearing the end of season 3. Not long ago I posted on this site that I'd love to see a revival of the series, but now I'm not so sure. They'd most likely do it as a CW show and the quality wouldn't compare with the original series. It would have been difficult enough doing a reunion without Lane Smith, but since Eddie Jones also passed away earlier this month I think the ship has probably sailed. L&C was the product of a more innocent age. The only other comic book adaptations I can think of with a comparable level of charm are the sixties Batman, Superman: The Movie and Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy. I don't think they could recapture it now.

But I would like to see Cain return to the role. Maybe in a live action Kingdom Come movie. Or failing that, he could voice him in an animated film.

I think Cain has been floating the idea of going a route like the current Superman in DC comics where's he's been married to Lois for years, and also has a son who's now Superboy. Could be an interesting show, which would reflect the Superman comics as they stand right now, but I also agree that the notion the show would remain as charming and innocent as the 1990's L&C is slim to none. Even though I would love to believe otherwise.

My objection to Dean Cain playing a sort of Kingdom Come type of Superman... well, maybe it's missing the point. But the Kingdom Come Superman was definitely affected by Lois Lane's death. That's a major issue for the character.

For a Dean Cain Superman to lose Lois... I mean, I just have problems with that. Maybe I'm being a bit too literal with the Kingdom Come connection but L&C was about how Lois and Clark were Superman. Long before the CW Flash show cribbed that idea for Barry and Iris, Superman was really made up for Lois and Clark.

Maybe I'm overthinking it. But if I see Dean Cain play Superman again, ideally I want it to be something akin to Lois & Clark "season 05".

To get back on topic though, I'll never be okay with Blandon playing Superman. Some wounds just go too deep, I suppose. But I just don't have any desire.

Still, if anybody has to take the bullet of playing Kingdom Come Superman... maybe it makes sense that it be Blandon rather than Cavill, Welling, Cain or any the other possibilities for whom I do a genuine affection.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Tue, 23 Jul  2019, 00:33
Maybe I'm overthinking it. But if I see Dean Cain play Superman again, ideally I want it to be something akin to Lois & Clark "season 05".

That would be ideal. I do agree with Silver in the sense L&C is a product of its time, and has a feelgood cheesy vibe that is nigh impossible to replicate now. But...I'm willing to put that aside for the chance of seeing Dean and Terri back together. Actors from the show have passed away, but I think they just need those two. The rest is gravy. Dean embodied a cool, laidback good guy vibe that has been missing from the character in recent times, as much as I appreciate what Cavill brought to the table. Cain and L&C kinda reminds me of a live action version of STAS.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Tue, 23 Jul  2019, 00:33
To get back on topic though, I'll never be okay with Blandon playing Superman. Some wounds just go too deep, I suppose. But I just don't have any desire.

I know what you mean. The Superman Returns project comes with baggage (ignoring Reeve canon), and I don't think Routh ever had stage presence. The costume they gave him didn't help either.

Quote from: The Joker on Mon, 22 Jul  2019, 23:56
I think Cain has been floating the idea of going a route like the current Superman in DC comics where's he's been married to Lois for years, and also has a son who's now Superboy. Could be an interesting show, which would reflect the Superman comics as they stand right now, but I also agree that the notion the show would remain as charming and innocent as the 1990's L&C is slim to none. Even though I would love to believe otherwise.

Cain serving as producer would help. He's got numerous producer credits on his IMDb page, and he wrote two episodes of the original series, including the classic 'Season's Greedings' featuring Toyman. Maybe if Cain co-wrote and produced the revival, he could make sure it remained apolitical and didn't stray too far from what the fans want. They'd have to keep Greg Berlanti as far away from it as possible and make sure it wasn't on the CW. But if they could do that, it might just work.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Tue, 23 Jul  2019, 00:33For a Dean Cain Superman to lose Lois... I mean, I just have problems with that. Maybe I'm being a bit too literal with the Kingdom Come connection but L&C was about how Lois and Clark were Superman. Long before the CW Flash show cribbed that idea for Barry and Iris, Superman was really made up for Lois and Clark.

Maybe I'm overthinking it. But if I see Dean Cain play Superman again, ideally I want it to be something akin to Lois & Clark "season 05".

I wouldn't want to see the Lois & Clark Superman turn into the Kingdom Come version either. Cain's Clark and Hatcher's Lois have always been defined in relationship to one another, and I prefer the idea of them living happily ever after. When I say I'd like to see Cain play the KC Superman, I was thinking more in terms of him portraying a Superman from another universe. Similar to how the Batman West played in Super Friends was different from the version he played in the sixties TV show.

But I certainly wouldn't want to see the L&C Superman lose his wife. I'd much rather see them as a strong married couple dealing with the challenges presented by parenthood and middle age.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 23 Jul  2019, 10:24Cain and L&C kinda reminds me of a live action version of STAS.p

It's amazing to think that L&C and S:TAS were both airing in 1996 and 1997. We had two classic Superman shows on TV at the same time. Then in the comics we had the Doomsday saga, The Return of Superman, The Trial of Superman, Kingdom Come and Grant Morrison's early JLA comics. There may not have been any Superman movies in the nineties (unless you count Steel and Superman Lives), but it was still a good decade to be a Superman fan. It was a good decade to be a Batman fan too, and a DC fan in general.

Since apparently anything, everything and nothing these days could have implications for a certain subject we're not supposed to bring up, I have no choice but to speak in riddles.

But there are rumors (rumors with teeth, you understand, but still just rumors) that Dean Cain has been semi-blacklisted in the industry, or at least banned from the Arrowverse. Apparently, his character's name is never mentioned on Supergirl anymore and there's a reason for that. If you know anything about Cain's, ahem, personal opinions, you might be able to guess why that might rub certain key figures involved in the Arrowverse the wrong way.

If you need help narrowing things down, take a look at Cain's recent filmography and look for a movie which was recently released and which is based on a true story and which has someone's last name as the title of the movie.

I doubt I can get much more specific than that without upsetting somebody or other.

Here's the first pic of Routh in the Kingdom Come suit.


We'll have to wait and see what it looks like in motion, but based on this image I think it looks great. :)

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 26 Sep  2019, 21:17
If you need help narrowing things down, take a look at Cain's recent filmography and look for a movie which was recently released and which is based on a true story and which has someone's last name as the title of the movie.

That film's been on my 'to see' list for a while now. I love how despite the blatant critic bias and media opposition, it still ended up with a 'fresh' rating on RT and outperformed numerous mainstream Hollywood movies in DVD sales.

It would be a pity if Cain was excluded from the crossover event due to blacklisting. You'd think the producers could set aside their ideological intolerance for the fans' sake, but maybe that's asking too much.

In other casting news, Ashley Scott is reprising her role as Huntress from the Birds of Prey (2002-2003) TV show. And it's rumoured Linda Carter may be appearing as Wonder Woman. But there's still no word on anyone from Lois & Clark or the Burtonverse being involved.

This looks like it could be the best live action Superman costume since Cain's. It's a massive improvement on Routh's 2006 suit.

I'm happy for the people anticipating this, but nothing here does anything for me.

I watched Smallville here and there, and I guess I remember it being a decent show, but I'm nowhere near a huge fan like colors. I think I've said my piece on Routh. I think it's a shame this crossover had to be on an average TV show like Arrow. It's a low scale return for something that should be a bigger deal. As for the Kingdom Come suit, I still prefer the Man of Steel design over anything else. Those red briefs just look so ridiculous to me in live action. It looks okay in the comics and such, but I'm glad the cinematic Batman avoided that look from B89 onwards.

I can understand how the trunks are off-putting for some people. But I'm a Superman guy from way back and for me the trunks are an indispensable part of the character's outfit. I have no particular criticism of the MOS or BVS uniforms; I simply prefer the outfit to include the trunks.

In my book, Brandon Routh has never been and will never be Superman in any meaningful sense. But I am at least grateful that the Kingdom Come suit includes the trunks.

I maintain that anybody who's hoping for Welling to wear some type of Superman outfit should brace for impact right now because I honestly don't think it'll happen. I'd love to be proven wrong though.

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Well, at least the KC suit looks a lot better than Hoechlin's.

Here's a cast photo.


Once again, Routh's new costume looks amazing. He seems to have been hitting the gym pretty hard.


Alex Ross recently drew this picture of him as the Kingdom Come Superman.

LOVE that new costume. I'm not a big fan of Superman Returns, but Routh seems like a great guy and it's nice to see him have another shot at Superman.

The newspaper headline doesn't say who conducted the gas attack on the Daily Planet building, but presumably it'll follow the comic by having you-know-who be responsible.


Producer Marc Guggenheim confirmed that Routh's Superman is indeed the version he played in Superman Returns, which means the Reeve Kal-El diverges along the following timelines.

Donnerverse canon:

•   Superman: The Movie
•   Superman II
•   Superman III
•   Supergirl 84
•   Superman IV: The Quest for Peace

Singerverse canon:

•   Superman: The Movie
•   Superman II
•   Superman Returns
•   Crisis on Infinite Earths

It's depressing to think that Kidder's Lois probably ends up being murdered by the Joker in the Singerverse timeline. :(

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Tue, 19 Nov  2019, 23:01Producer Marc Guggenheim confirmed that Routh's Superman is indeed the version he played in Superman Returns, which means the Reeve Kal-El diverges along the following timelines.

Donnerverse canon:

•   Superman: The Movie
•   Superman II
•   Superman III
•   Supergirl 84
•   Superman IV: The Quest for Peace

Singerverse canon:

•   Superman: The Movie
•   Superman II
•   Superman Returns
•   Crisis on Infinite Earths

It's depressing to think that Kidder's Lois probably ends up being murdered by the Joker in the Singerverse timeline. :(

I consider Superman Returns to be its own bizarre variant, "canon" be damned. On that basis, it's Bosworth's Lois that died in the Planet gas attack. There is enough discontinuity between STM and SR that separating the two isn't difficult anyway. If COIE is the SR character's conclusion, eh, I'm fine with that.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Tue, 19 Nov  2019, 23:01
It's depressing to think that Kidder's Lois probably ends up being murdered by the Joker in the Singerverse timeline. :(

I'm cool with it. If they're doing Kingdom Come, adapting the key themes is logical. Which includes Joker killing Lois and a bunch of staff members.

Kill em' all, we're gonna take em' out a whole new door.

And I must add - I'm not the biggest fan of SuperRouth, but I have to say those images of him in the Kingdom Come suit are solid. I've warmed up to it - very faithful recreation of the source material.

No disrespect to Bosworth, but if a cinematic Lois has been murdered by the Joker I'd prefer to think of it as her incarnation rather than Kidder's. I like to think Kidder's Lois is still covering Superman's press conference outside Milton Keynes bus statio--uh, I mean the United Nations building.

From what I gather, it sounds like most of the guest appearances in this special will be brief cameos at best. Eyewitnesses have described some of the actors looking up at the sky and reacting to something. So with Burt Ward, it'll probably just be him walking his dog...


...then turning to look up at whatever's in the sky and saying "Holy something-or-other."

Similarly, the Burton thing will likely just be Knox sitting on a bench reading that newspaper article about Bruce marrying Selina, then glancing up at the sky for his reaction shot. We might get a CG rendition of Burton's Gotham and a few notes from the Elfman score, but I doubt it'll be anything more than that.

It looks like the Smallville guest stars will have a slightly bigger role, but it will still probably just be isolated to one or two scenes on the Kent farm. I don't think we'll see Welling suit up like many fans are hoping.


But the Routh Superman appearance looks like it could be more substantial. I'm hoping he'll have a decent sized role throughout the crossover event.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 21 Nov  2019, 11:17
It looks like the Smallville guest stars will have a slightly bigger role, but it will still probably just be isolated to one or two scenes on the Kent farm. I don't think we'll see Welling suit up like many fans are hoping.

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Yeah, that's pretty much the conclusion I'm reaching more and more all the time. It's like Welling is doing the cameo in part to say "Fine, whatever, I did it, stop asking".

Assuming I'm right (and who knows?), I can't help thinking that something a bit bigger and more ambitious would've happened if Rosenbaum had agreed to come back as Lex. I understand (and even agree with) his reasons for not doing it. Just saying though...

More and more, I think this season (and perhaps this crossover) will be my swansong with the Arrowverse. I can't say I've ever loved it. But the seasons are becoming more and more diminishing returns. The crossovers too. One might say, especially the crossovers. My wife and I are basically to the point where we MST3K our way through new episodes of The Flash, which is the only series we watch consistently.

People have sort of stopped predicting the demise of comic book cinema/television. But I've started to think the trend has begun winding down. We'll see what the next couple of years look like. But I think we should all start getting comfortable with the idea that the party is coming to an end.

And it's wide open to debate how much of that limelight Batman was able to enjoy. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Tue, 26 Nov  2019, 03:06
People have sort of stopped predicting the demise of comic book cinema/television. But I've started to think the trend has begun winding down. We'll see what the next couple of years look like. But I think we should all start getting comfortable with the idea that the party is coming to an end.

And it's wide open to debate how much of that limelight Batman was able to enjoy. Maybe I'm wrong though.

The flow of content could reduce, but I don't think the comic book party will ever come to an end. It's too big now. The comics have always been lingering in the background, and they will remain there. Video games too. The iconography will always capture the imagination of children, and those who remember that same wonder when they were children.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 26 Nov  2019, 11:51

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Tue, 26 Nov  2019, 03:06
People have sort of stopped predicting the demise of comic book cinema/television. But I've started to think the trend has begun winding down. We'll see what the next couple of years look like. But I think we should all start getting comfortable with the idea that the party is coming to an end.

And it's wide open to debate how much of that limelight Batman was able to enjoy. Maybe I'm wrong though.

The flow of content could reduce, but I don't think the comic book party will ever come to an end. It's too big now. The comics have always been lingering in the background, and they will remain there. Video games too. The iconography will always capture the imagination of children, and those who remember that same wonder when they were children.

Maybe. But I'm inclined to the view that most Hollywood directors, actors and the rest didn't enter the business to make Batman or Avengers films. I think they resent having to depend on comic book properties to make their livings.

And now, thanks to people like Jennifer Aniston, Francis Ford Coppola, Jodie Foster, Martin Scorsese and others, moviegoers who are getting tired of all the capes and heat vision now have a permission structure to stop watching all this comic book stuff.

I could be wrong. But it's kind of hard to believe that so many A-list celebrities (and B-list, in Aniston's case) can make such big statements without at least a few Joe Sixpack types agreeing with them and then watching less comic book stuff in the future.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Tue, 26 Nov  2019, 22:39
Maybe. But I'm inclined to the view that most Hollywood directors, actors and the rest didn't enter the business to make Batman or Avengers films. I think they resent having to depend on comic book properties to make their livings.

And now, thanks to people like Jennifer Aniston, Francis Ford Coppola, Jodie Foster, Martin Scorsese and others, moviegoers who are getting tired of all the capes and heat vision now have a permission structure to stop watching all this comic book stuff.

Take a look at the upcoming DC and Marvel slates and there's your answer. The genre isn't going away any time soon, and all indications show the flow will remain steady. Just today there's word films for villains appearing in The Batman are a possible option. Those people you have listed have had nothing to do with the comic book genre. They're outside the tent and the genre manages to attract big name talent of its own. The likes of Colin Farrell, Andy Serkis, Joaquin Phoenix and others are always going to be encouraged to saddle up.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Tue, 26 Nov  2019, 22:39
I could be wrong.

Yes...you could be.   ;)

Hoechlin's Superman looks a little out of his depth next to Routh and Welling's iterations.

I'm calling it now. The Smallville universe is going KABOOM in Crisis.

But yes, Hoechlin does look rather puny compared to Welling and -- to a lesser degree -- Routh.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Wed,  4 Dec  2019, 00:29
I'm calling it now. The Smallville universe is going KABOOM in Crisis.

Considering what they did to Earth-90 in the previous crossover event, I wouldn't be surprised.

I've always wanted DC to capitalise on their previous live action successes. That's one area where they have a big advantage over Marvel. I just wish it wasn't happening on the CW.

New trailer.


Some are saying the dead Superman at the 20 second mark is Gerard Christopher from the old Superboy TV series, though this has yet to be confirmed.



Is he the big cameo Guggenheim was hinting at? Because I'm still hoping Cain makes an appearance.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sat,  7 Dec  2019, 15:14
New trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKLb4eP0lvg

Some are saying the dead Superman at the 20 second mark is Gerard Christopher from the old Superboy TV series, though this has yet to be confirmed.

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The dead Superman looks like Hoechlin. Or so I thought anyway.

That's what I thought too, but some people are saying its Gerard. It's definitely Hoechlin's costume though. And that looks like Elizabeth Tulloch weeping over him, so it would make more sense for it to be Hoechlin.

Marc Guggenheim has confirmed that he tried to get Nic Cage to appear as Superman:

QuoteYou know, to be honest with you, because I never want to lie on these things, that was ... yeah, I actually did ... we did reach out to Nic Cage.

I'll tell you one thing, we reached out to a lot of people, and there were people who didn't want to do it. There were people who would only do it for amounts of money that we could not ever afford. And there were other people who really wanted to do it, but couldn't for scheduling. That was the case with a lot of, I have to say, the movie stars that we reached out to. The thing about movie stars is, they're all shooting movies. And unless those movies are shooting in Vancouver, we're kind of out of luck.

But I have to say that the sheer number of actors that we did end up getting exceeded my expectation.

He's also teased more unannounced cameos that will surprise viewers.

QuoteYeah, I like how there are at least six characters who appear in the first three hours that we haven't announced. And I'm working on even more for the last two hours. So we've obviously announced a bunch, but I really want the audience to be able to tune in and still be surprised. So there are surprises of sorts that we've managed to keep secret, and not without great difficulty, I will tell you.

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/12/marc-guggenheim-interview-crisis-on-infinite-earths-arrow-cw-1202194754/

Right now, there are only two plausible guest stars I want to see involved. And their characters had better be treated respectfully and not killed off for cheap drama.

Dean's my favorite Superman, but I don't think his L&C revival will get off the ground. I believe he has been been ignored by the studio for other reasons. Think about it - if Dean and Terri were going to come back, why would we be hearing about a Lois & Clark style show with Hoechlin? If that project comes to fruition, the new guy will already fill that void. Which perhaps isn't a bad thing. It could remain pure. Dean's show gets its fair share of criticism from fans from what I know (I don't follow the Superman culture wars heavily), but it doesn't change the fact it was successful back in the day.

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Why is there a cape in the background if the dead Superman is still wearing it?

It appears they made a continuity mistake.Very amateurish.

Do we know for sure that the big mystery cameo that hasn't been revealed yet actually relates to Superman?

There are other possibilities. O'Donnell, Kilmer, Keaton, Pfieffer, etc.

But if it relates to Superman, and considering that Conroy is appearing, what about Tim Daly?

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Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat,  7 Dec  2019, 21:37Dean's my favorite Superman, but I don't think his L&C revival will get off the ground. I believe he has been been ignored by the studio for other reasons. Think about it - if Dean and Terri were going to come back, why would we be hearing about a Lois & Clark style show with Hoechlin? If that project comes to fruition, the new guy will already fill that void.

The creation of the new Superman & Lois series almost feels like deliberate spite towards Cain and Hatcher's attempts at reviving L&C. L&C was averaging over 15 million viewers per episode during its heyday. It had a degree of mainstream popularity that CW shows can only dream of. Even non-comic fans enjoyed L&C, and I'm sure many of them would return to catch up with those beloved characters if the show came back in some form.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Sun,  8 Dec  2019, 16:15But if it relates to Superman, and considering that Conroy is appearing, what about Tim Daly?

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I never thought of Daly, but he sounds like a plausible cameo.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 21 Nov  2019, 11:17From what I gather, it sounds like most of the guest appearances in this special will be brief cameos at best. Eyewitnesses have described some of the actors looking up at the sky and reacting to something. So with Burt Ward, it'll probably just be him walking his dog...

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...then turning to look up at whatever's in the sky and saying "Holy something-or-other."

Similarly, the Burton thing will likely just be Knox sitting on a bench reading that newspaper article about Bruce marrying Selina, then glancing up at the sky for his reaction shot. We might get a CG rendition of Burton's Gotham and a few notes from the Elfman score, but I doubt it'll be anything more than that.

Called it.


The only thing I got wrong was the newspaper headline.

Tom Welling. No spoilers here.

Except to say that if that's where things were always going, not only do I wish that the Smallville universe did go kaboom, part of me wishes it'd never existed in the first place.

I didn't like this episode. I hate how they have to consonantly tell us how much more powerful Supergirl is to Superman, and in this one, how much better Kate is than Bruce Wayne. I don't understand why they have to keep doing this?

Quote from: Travesty on Tue, 10 Dec  2019, 23:35
I didn't like this episode. I hate how they have to consonantly tell us how much more powerful Supergirl is to Superman, and in this one, how much better Kate is than Bruce Wayne. I don't understand why they have to keep doing this?

I do.

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Quote from: Travesty on Tue, 10 Dec  2019, 23:35
I didn't like this episode. I hate how they have to consonantly tell us how much more powerful Supergirl is to Superman, and in this one, how much better Kate is than Bruce Wayne. I don't understand why they have to keep doing this?

I do.

Ditto.

So those rumors about Routh reprising his character from Superman Returns ended up being true. They tossed some Kingdom Come elements into the mix and then promptly killed the character off.

Those rumors about Conroy playing a variation on his Batman Beyond Bruce ended up being true. They tossed some Kingdom Come elements into the mix and then promptly killed the character off.

The reports of Shipp coming back to play the 1990 Barry ended up being true. They tossed some Crisis On Infinite Earths comic into the mix and then promptly killed the character off.

The rumors that Welling wouldn't suit up to play Superman ended up being true. They tossed some seriously inane BS into the mix and then promptly... well, didn't kill the character off, but may as well have. Except, well, they did kinda kill the character off. So hmm.

The rumors about the Birds Of Prey universe being revisited ended up being true. Nothing fancy here. They just (very) promptly killed the characters off.

All those cameos ultimately add up to nothing. At least nothing of any narrative significance. Those cameos could've been completely cut out and mostly nothing would've been lost. I get the notion that COIE destroyed a bunch of Earths so the TV version can do no less. So why not throw in some fun references for fans? But these hardly come off as fun references. They come off more like a kind of sadistic poke in the eye to fans of those properties.

I mean, is it just me? Am I all alone here?

All that fuss about Routh returning as Superman, and the character seemingly gets killed off prematurely by Jon Cryer's Lex? And people are eating up this sh*t. Unbelievable.

What's even more unbelievable is this screenshot of Routh liking this fanboy tweeting his praise of his turn as Superman despite doing NOTHING in COIE...while using popular but baseless words to tacitly sh*t on Snyder's Superman.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/Roanhouse/status/1205328731184611328

Right, because Superman in the DCEU never showed any sense of altruism, did he? I guess him trying to help people despite it risked leaving behind a paper trail to his identity was nothing to write home about. I suppose him taking a difficult course of action to stop a genocidal Zod in order to protect the human race - while literally becoming the Last f***ing Son of Krypton in the process - is nothing brave at all. Nor was it when he sacrificed his life to stop Doomsday to protect the undeserving human race yet again. Nor did he do anything hopeful, like inspiring the likes of Pete Ross, Colonel Hardy, Batman et al to become better people after saving them. Nah, that was all just evil Randian propaganda. All it REALLY takes to be inspirational and heroic is to say some hollow speech about hope, instead of letting your actions speak for themselves.

Get f***ed.

People like that clown who tweeted that crap are the reason why Superman on film is in limbo. And screw Routh for endorsing such nonsense. I don't care if he appreciated the fan's compliment of his role as Superman, I'm sure he was aware of what those stupid comments were referring to. Judging by his liking of the tweet, I have little doubt he even agrees with it.

Well, if this was the end of his return as Superman and he won't be revived again for the rest of COIE, I hope he enjoyed his run, because it surely wasn't worth the hype. But from what I've seen from these so-called fans, it doesn't really take much to impress them. These man children can't handle if the character faces any sort of conflict - they'll just complain he's mopey. No wonder why the CW has Tyler Hoechlin smiling at every turn.

The vast majority of Superman fans are overgrown immature children. And honestly, that goes for most Batman fans too. (https://www.batman-online.com/forum/Themes/default/images/post/thumbdown.gif)

Routh isn't the only DC superhero actor to reprise a cinematic role in Crisis on Infinite Earths. Ezra Miller's Flash also put in an appearance.

In a noisy place so I missed probably half of the dialogue but that looked kind of funny, I must admit.

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Nice little cameo, the best by far in this crossover. I suppose this means Ezra Miller will stick around as the Flash, and it looks like that rumoured Flashpoint movie is a strong possibility.

I find it rather curious that Snyder unleashed that new Darkseid image on the same day as this episode came out. Coincidence?

It appears not only was Jim Lee responsible for coordinating the Ezra Miller cameo, but it's revealed that an adaptation of Flashpoint will be the next movie that Miller will star in.

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So, this is how they're trying to reboot the DCEU? By using the darkest storyline possible? Oh yeah, that TOTALLY makes sense.  ::)

At least there might be a chance we get to see Jeffrey Dean Morgan as Thomas Wayne/Flashpoint Batman.

So, after all that hype over Brandon Routh playing Superman again for the first time in nearly fourteen years, all it amounts to was getting brainwashed by Jon Cryer's Lex into fighting Hoechlin's Superman, some worthless speech about hope and getting killed off by Cryer's Lex.

And there is this shot of him flying out of orbit once the multiverse had been restored, in yet another tired homage to all final shots of every Superman movie from 1978 to 2006.

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The only positive thing I can say about this pointless, non-event revival is his Kingdom Cone suit looked heaps better than his Returns suit.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Wed, 20 Nov  2019, 02:05There is enough discontinuity between STM and SR that separating the two isn't difficult anyway. If COIE is the SR character's conclusion, eh, I'm fine with that.

But apparently not everyone is fine with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwn51Rkicc8

Long story short, Routh may come back to that version of Superman on HBO Max. Rumors are a dime a dozen these days but here it is anyway.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Wed,  4 Dec  2019, 00:29I'm calling it now. The Smallville universe is going KABOOM in Crisis.

Boy oh boy...

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sat,  7 Dec  2019, 15:14Some are saying the dead Superman at the 20 second mark is Gerard Christopher from the old Superboy TV series, though this has yet to be confirmed.

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Been thinking about this lately. It appears that the dead Superman there was Hoechlin. Because that actress certainly resembles Tulloch.

Still, I do wonder how things might've worked out if Gerard Christopher had come back. Odds are his universe probably would've been steamrolled too. So, maybe it's best that he didn't or wasn't invited or whatever.

But for as cheesy as that Superboy show could be at times, the affection and sincerity for the source material is simply undeniable. In fact, Superboy is what I point back to every time somebody says the Salkinds in general and Ilya Salkind in particular didn't rly get Superman. Because it's pretty evident from watching Superboy that Ilya Salkind for sure had a rock solid understanding of what this character is all about. The more deeply involved Salkind got with the Superboy series, the higher quality the show became.

Some cheese, yes, but the production's collective heart was definitely in the right place.

In fact, my little conspiracy theory is that Superboy as we see him on that TV show is actually an alternate universe version of Reeve's Superman from STM. Essentially the same exact character but with one major difference in their history.

I'd rly enjoy seeing Gerard Christopher come back to the role in SOME way or another.