Teaser trailer here:
http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/05/05/gotham-trailer/
A longer trailer is set to hit later tonight.
Looks like Joe Chill (or at least his TV equivalent) is masked in this version. This is a change from the usual, but I feel like there could be some thematic advantage- Bruce remembers feeling afraid upon seeing the man in the mask and seeks to strike that same fear into criminals when he dons his own mask in the future.
I wish they at least gave McKenzie glasses to look more Gordon-like.
Apart from the cinematography, nothing here grabs my attention at all. I won't be watching this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d1zpt6k5OI
Oh I like this. Very much. It already has that "Sopranos" style going for it. Feels like a Batman movie too. Things got quite exciting at the end there with the "Before..." teaser clips. Didn't expect Poison Ivy! Love the shot of the new Penguin cackling maniacally with his umbrella. That girl playing the young Selina Kyle I could swear is the daughter of Michelle Pfeiffer lol They look so alike.
You guys being negative about it must be mad. We have a new live action Batman tv show here people. In a major anniversary year. What on earth is not to celebrate? This will fill the gap nicely until the next and now postponed Bat movie (as the animated series did before between Returns and Forever when I was young). Sure, it may last only a few seasons. Shows get cancelled left, right and centre these days. That's fine by me. Doesn't mean I cannot have fun with at least two seasons. Aren't you all forgotting just how brief Adam West's era was similarly?
I guess when fans hit puberty they go all cynical, critical and forget to just have fun with it all (which is the purpose at the end of the day of all Bat productions). C'mon guys, reclaim the "innocence of your youth" lol Embrace the thing, get behind it and enjoy the fact it's being made at all. I'm not going to be so snooty in regards to the approach of this show (sod appreciating just the cinematography). Watching something like this will be a blast for me than watching a sh*te ordinary British soap show like Coronation Street for example lol
First seasons and pilot episodes always come across stiff. And this was no different. The trailer came across hokey and poorly acted. war War WAR. Par for the course for a Fox production. I think Gotham will be very typical of it's kind in that it won't hit a serious creative stride until season 3 or so. Then we'll see what it has to offer. For now they just want to grab as many eyeballs as possible. As a Batman mark, I've already purchased the blu ray in my head a dozen times. So...what was my point again...
Quote from: Cobblepot4Mayor on Tue, 6 May 2014, 11:59
You guys being negative about it must be mad. We have a new live action Batman tv show here people. In a major anniversary year. What on earth is not to celebrate? This will fill the gap nicely until the next and now postponed Bat movie (as the animated series did before between Returns and Forever when I was young). Sure, it may last only a few seasons. Shows get cancelled left, right and centre these days. That's fine by me. Doesn't mean I cannot have fun with at least two seasons. Aren't you all forgotting just how brief Adam West's era was similarly?
I guess when fans hit puberty they go all cynical, critical and forget to just have fun with it all (which is the purpose at the end of the day of all Bat productions). C'mon guys, reclaim the "innocence of your youth" lol Embrace the thing, get behind it and enjoy the fact it's being made at all. I'm not going to be so snooty in regards to the approach of this show (sod appreciating just the cinematography). Watching something like this will be a blast for me than watching a sh*te ordinary British soap show like Coronation Street for example lol
That's the problem though, this isn't a Batman TV show, it's a regular cop show set in Gotham City that stars Gordon.
Mate, if you're looking forward to this show then good for you, but I think it's a little uncalled for to have a go at people who aren't impressed with it. It's not a question of being cynical, "hitting purberty" or reclaiming "innocence of youth", it's quite simply that the concept to this show just isn't appealing at all, at least not to me. This whole before-superhero thing was the main reason I never gave Smallville a chance, but at least that show focused on Clark Kent as the main character and it was about his journey into becoming Superman. But in this show, Gordon is the main character and it takes place long before Bruce Wayne and all these other characters become who they are. Call me crazy, but I really don't care for any of that. I have no interest in watching a show about teenage versions of Catwoman, Riddler or Bruce Wayne - especially if long portions of this show continues to show Bruce mourning for his parents (not poking fun at the tragedy, but I can imagine that it can get tiresome after a while).
If I want to watch a real cop drama that doesn't feature any costumed freaks then I have good stuff like The Shield, NYPD Blue, Southland and Law & Order to look forward to. And if I want to watch a crime drama, then I'll tune in to watch The Sopranos. There's nothing in these previews I've seen so far that makes this show look even competent compared to the ones I've mentioned. By the way, the remark about the cinematography was my way of trying to find something positive about this show; otherwise I could always be a rabid fanboy and say everything about it sucks. ;)
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Wed, 7 May 2014, 00:00
Quote from: Cobblepot4Mayor on Tue, 6 May 2014, 11:59
You guys being negative about it must be mad. We have a new live action Batman tv show here people. In a major anniversary year. What on earth is not to celebrate? This will fill the gap nicely until the next and now postponed Bat movie (as the animated series did before between Returns and Forever when I was young). Sure, it may last only a few seasons. Shows get cancelled left, right and centre these days. That's fine by me. Doesn't mean I cannot have fun with at least two seasons. Aren't you all forgotting just how brief Adam West's era was similarly?
I guess when fans hit puberty they go all cynical, critical and forget to just have fun with it all (which is the purpose at the end of the day of all Bat productions). C'mon guys, reclaim the "innocence of your youth" lol Embrace the thing, get behind it and enjoy the fact it's being made at all. I'm not going to be so snooty in regards to the approach of this show (sod appreciating just the cinematography). Watching something like this will be a blast for me than watching a sh*te ordinary British soap show like Coronation Street for example lol
That's the problem though, this isn't a Batman TV show, it's a regular cop show set in Gotham City that stars Gordon.
Mate, if you're looking forward to this show then good for you, but I think it's a little uncalled for to have a go at people who aren't impressed with it. It's not a question of being cynical, "hitting purberty" or reclaiming "innocence of youth", it's quite simply that the concept to this show just isn't appealing at all, at least not to me. This whole before-superhero thing was the main reason I never gave Smallville a chance, but at least that show focused on Clark Kent as the main character and it was about his journey into becoming Superman. But in this show, Gordon is the main character and it takes place long before Bruce Wayne and all these other characters become who they are. Call me crazy, but I really don't care for any of that. I have no interest in watching a show about teenage versions of Catwoman, Riddler or Bruce Wayne - especially if long portions of this show continues to show Bruce mourning for his parents (not poking fun at the tragedy, but I can imagine that it can get tiresome after a while).
If I want to watch a real cop drama that doesn't feature any costumed freaks then I have good stuff like The Shield, NYPD Blue, Southland and Law & Order to look forward to. And if I want to watch a crime drama, then I'll tune in to watch The Sopranos. There's nothing in these previews I've seen so far that makes this show look even competent compared to the ones I've mentioned. By the way, the remark about the cinematography was my way of trying to find something positive about this show; otherwise I could always be a rabid fanboy and say everything about it sucks. ;)
I'm afraid you have mistook my intent in the above quote. Nobody was "having a go" at anyone. My comments were made, to quote comedian Kenny Everett, in "the best possible taste". I meant them as humourous and friendly remarks to one's negative complaints. This seems to happen a lot with me in regards to my personal humour on here. Sorry but I loathe having to type endless "LOL's" to clarify my tone. I find it tedious.
Anyway, peace. In future don't waste your time writing up about a show you despise already and go and watch those wonderful cop shows you mentioned while I embrace the delights to behold in "Gotham" ;)
Quote from: Cobblepot4Mayor on Wed, 7 May 2014, 01:42
Anyway, peace. In future don't waste your time writing up about a show you despise already and go and watch those wonderful cop shows you mentioned while I embrace the delights to behold in "Gotham" ;)
Oh believe me, I wasn't even planning to keep wasting my time in these threads anyway, I barely post anything Gotham-related after all. I don't even actually
despise it, I just don't care for the show's concept and the previews just convinced me that it wouldn't be for me. Whatever, I hope you find the show worth your time.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Wed, 7 May 2014, 01:49
Quote from: Cobblepot4Mayor on Wed, 7 May 2014, 01:42
Anyway, peace. In future don't waste your time writing up about a show you despise already and go and watch those wonderful cop shows you mentioned while I embrace the delights to behold in "Gotham" ;)
Oh believe me, I wasn't even planning to keep wasting my time in these threads anyway, I barely post anything Gotham-related after all. I don't even actually despise it, I just don't care for the show's concept and the previews just convinced me that it wouldn't be for me. Whatever, I hope you find the show worth your time.
Laughing Fish, you're entitled as anyone else here to post your comments on "Gotham", although if you do ultimately choose not to see any episodes you'd be operating from a less-informed perspective when the show does air.
Personally, I think "Gotham" has a promising concept and the trailer, although fairly generic, still gives me hope that this show will be worth giving a chance. There's nothing in the trailer that gives me any strong concerns that this will be bad.
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Wed, 7 May 2014, 11:24
Laughing Fish, you're entitled as anyone else here to post your comments on "Gotham", although if you do ultimately choose not to see any episodes you'd be operating from a less-informed perspective when the show does air.
The problem is if I don't like the idea of what the show is going to be about, and I've further explained why I'm already not looking forward to it especially after what I've seen, then I doubt watching a couple of episodes is going to make me change my mind. It's just one of those things where it's simply not for me. To each their own.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Wed, 7 May 2014, 12:54
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Wed, 7 May 2014, 11:24
Laughing Fish, you're entitled as anyone else here to post your comments on "Gotham", although if you do ultimately choose not to see any episodes you'd be operating from a less-informed perspective when the show does air.
The problem is if I don't like the idea of what the show is going to be about, and I've further explained why I'm already not looking forward to it especially after what I've seen, then I doubt watching a couple of episodes is going to make me change my mind. It's just one of those things where it's simply not for me. To each their own.
Well, I was actually sticking up for you and saying you're entitled to keep commenting on this topic.
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Wed, 7 May 2014, 13:24
Well, I was actually sticking up for you and saying you're entitled to keep commenting on this topic.
Oh, sorry about that. :-[
I appreciate the comment, but I didn't take what Cobblepot said personally, especially since I wasn't planning to visit this part of the forum anyway.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Wed, 7 May 2014, 13:36
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Wed, 7 May 2014, 13:24
Well, I was actually sticking up for you and saying you're entitled to keep commenting on this topic.
Oh, sorry about that. :-[
I appreciate the comment, but I didn't take what Cobblepot said personally, especially since I wasn't planning to visit this part of the forum anyway.
Maybe it's my bad then. :) I guess I misread your discussion with Cobblepot as more heated than it actually was, hence my obvious statement that you're entitled to comment wherever you like regardless of whether you're planning on seeing this show.
Ehhh....
QuoteGotham itself is much more a fascination for me than Batman specifically. When thinking about how to enter the DC world for TV, certainly on network TV, to do shows about superheroes — about people who wear spandex costumes — that doesn't work very well. We want to see people's faces
Quote[...] I would say in terms of what [director and executive producer Danny Cannon and director of photography David Stockton] are doing — visually — Gotham will surpass the Batman movies.
QuoteWell, I will say [actor] David Mazouz is, without doubt, the best actor ever to play the part of Bruce Wayne. Without doubt — including the people who played Batman.
Well, at least the showrunner is confident... ;D
http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/05/08/gotham-interview/
Featurette:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REoELMS5tXc
Quote from: phantom stranger on Sat, 10 May 2014, 19:32
Ehhh....
QuoteGotham itself is much more a fascination for me than Batman specifically. When thinking about how to enter the DC world for TV, certainly on network TV, to do shows about superheroes — about people who wear spandex costumes — that doesn't work very well. We want to see people's faces
Quote[...] I would say in terms of what [director and executive producer Danny Cannon and director of photography David Stockton] are doing — visually — Gotham will surpass the Batman movies.
QuoteWell, I will say [actor] David Mazouz is, without doubt, the best actor ever to play the part of Bruce Wayne. Without doubt — including the people who played Batman.
Well, at least the showrunner is confident... ;D
http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/05/08/gotham-interview/
This overconfidence is welcome - especially for a show which the trailer and stills make seem like a standard cop show. It gives fans licence to rip it apart if it's anything less than The Wire in Gotham.
Quote from: phantom stranger on Sat, 10 May 2014, 19:32
Well, at least the showrunner is confident... ;D
Obnoxiously so. He's promising a good show but not exactly winning over the fans with his attitude about the past. We'll judge you on the final product, Mr Showrunner. Watch your mouth, because the tables can turn quickly indeed, and we can say equally unsavoury, or worse, things about
your efforts.
The creator of the show also said that Gotham will have the Joker, although he didn't say if it will be pre-Joker ala Red Hood or a Jack Napier type, or the actual Joker in makeup.
I'm still interested in this show and I believe it will deliver. Fans seem convinced it will flop and nobody will watch in contrast to the Marvel show. Remember this is Batman we're talking about here. Not your average run of the mill comic book hero. A live action Batman show of any sorts will generate huge amounts of interest publically than a S.H.E.I.L.D show can ever hope to dream of. I'm not bothered at all about such matters.
But that comment about an audience not wanting costumed dudes and wanting to see just ordinary people is very much hairbrained indeed! It's up there with the ridiculousness of Nathan Crowley's comments about "we didn't want Batman flying around in a BAT copter" when describing the genesis of his travesty of a flying ladybug vehicle. Just stupid, stupid, bloody stupid lol
Gee I remember when I was a kid filmmakers actually tried to bring comic characters properly to the screen without such embarrassment. It seems to be a dying art and that needs to be done away with. Always treasure Jim Carrey dancing manically round the Batcave in that skintight green spandex suit with the question marks guys. Because when the Riddler does make it back to the big screen one day that kind of suit, which recalls Frank Gorshin as much as his actual comic book appearance, won't be coming with him. But you obviously didn't need me to spell that out for you.
Quote from: Cobblepot4Mayor on Thu, 15 May 2014, 17:44
I'm still interested in this show and I believe it will deliver. Fans seem convinced it will flop and nobody will watch in contrast to the Marvel show. Remember this is Batman we're talking about here. Not your average run of the mill comic book hero. A live action Batman show of any sorts will generate huge amounts of interest publically than a S.H.E.I.L.D show can ever hope to dream of. I'm not bothered at all about such matters.
But that comment about an audience not wanting costumed dudes and wanting to see just ordinary people is very much hairbrained indeed! It's up there with the ridiculousness of Nathan Crowley's comments about "we didn't want Batman flying around in a BAT copter" when describing the genesis of his travesty of a flying ladybug vehicle. Just stupid, stupid, bloody stupid lol
Gee I remember when I was a kid filmmakers actually tried to bring comic characters properly to the screen without such embarrassment. It seems to be a dying art and that needs to be done away with. Always treasure Jim Carrey dancing manically round the Batcave in that skintight green spandex suit with the question marks guys. Because when the Riddler does make it back to the big screen one day that kind of suit, which recalls Frank Gorshin as much as his actual comic book appearance, won't be coming with him. But you obviously didn't need me to spell that out for you.
When movie/TV people who are not fans of comics/fantasy/sci-fi take up a property for adaptation, it's not an unusual practice to talk like they are embarassed for doing something in these genres
(even in this day and age when someone could think the old stereotypes had fallen).
It's an assumption about Heller, but I can't fathom someone who has genuine love and respect for these things saying "
Gotham itself is much more a fascination for me than Batman specifically" and then adding "
people who wear spandex costumes — that doesn't work very well. We want to see people's faces"
If it's not Batman's omnipresence (even when he's not on screen, or on the page) the thing that makes this city fascinating, then what is?
While nothing about it looks inherently terrible, it just looks incredibly bland and generic and it looks just like any other police procedural drama on right now. I think I'll only watch this if the reviews are unamiously positive. If it gets mixed or just fairly decent reviews, then I don't think I'll ever watch it.
Quote from: mrrockey on Mon, 14 Jul 2014, 10:37
While nothing about it looks inherently terrible, it just looks incredibly bland and generic and it looks just like any other police procedural drama on right now. I think I'll only watch this if the reviews are unamiously positive. If it gets mixed or just fairly decent reviews, then I don't think I'll ever watch it.
The advance word so far is positive but it will be a pretty tall task to get unanimously great reviews. Few films and shows get that.
I know what you mean about it looking like a rote police procedural series, but surely the interesting aspect is seeing the juxtaposition between the police procedural and the bizarre characters that make up Batman's Rogue's Gallery.
(https://www.batman-online.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comingsoon.net%2Fgallery%2F116542%2Fhr_Gotham_20.jpg&hash=a3dc925c6c86148fbfb841dec6aa7aa0a6f79c04)
I really like this character poster. I like how the Oswald Cobblepot looks a bit like a Penguin, and how Selina Kyle is very feline-looking and, as many people have already commented, a bit like a young Michelle Pfeiffer.
Edward Nygma's question mark tie is also a cool touch.
Also, I detect some foreshadowing in the name of the Penguin's boss, 'Fish Mooney'. After all, what do penguins tend to eat...
Anyway, what I like about this is that it feels like it's going to embrace the symbolic OTT aspect of Tim Burton's Batman movies, rather than the ultra-serious, ultra-credible, 'it could happen in the real world' vibe of the Nolan movies. Nolan's 'Penguin' would never have looked like a penguin, with a beak-like nose, and Anne Hathaway's Catwoman didn't look particularly feline.
I still think it would have been a better idea to go with the Gotham Central approach, of having it set in "modern day" Gotham City where Batman is around, just not seen.
But, here's hoping this will work out because I need something to hold me over until B v S finally comes out.
Quote from: phantom stranger on Tue, 15 Jul 2014, 06:27
I still think it would have been a better idea to go with the Gotham Central approach, of having it set in "modern day" Gotham City where Batman is around, just not seen.
Agree 100%.
Apparently "Gotham" will feature a new potential Joker candidate each week and tease the audience along throughout the series.
I think this is a great idea because on one hand it gives the Joker a background; on the other hand, it doesn't or at least not a definitive one, thereby satisfying everyone...in theory. :-\
I'm delighted to hear that actress Carol Kane may be playing the mother of The Penguin in this show. Making her the first actress to do so since Batman Returns, Diane Salinger was it?
I love Kane's work. She played the grandmother of the Addams Family in "Addams Family Values" and also made quite a splash as a violent fairy kicking the crap out of Bill Murray in Richard Donner's "Scrooged" ("Sometimes you have to SMACK them in the face just to get their attention!") lol
Always a joy for me when your favourite character actors someday slip into the Batman world.
Quote from: Cobblepot4Mayor on Fri, 18 Jul 2014, 10:32
I'm delighted to hear that actress Carol Kane may be playing the mother of The Penguin in this show. Making her the first actress to do so since Batman Returns, Diane Salinger was it?
I love Kane's work. She played the grandmother of the Addams Family in "Addams Family Values" and also made quite a splash as a violent fairy kicking the crap out of Bill Murray in Richard Donner's "Scrooged" ("Sometimes you have to SMACK them in the face just to get their attention!") lol
Always a joy for me when your favourite character actors someday slip into the Batman world.
I agree Cobblepot4Mayor. Carol Kane was a delight in 'Scrooged' and the 'Addams Family Values', and I've always been a big fan of hers. She seems like a perfect choice for Oswald Cobblepot's ma. I guess she's going to be more like the over-protective bird-shop owner of the earlier comic-books than the wealthy snob of 'Batman Returns' and the later comic-books which retconned Cobblepot's origins as the son of one of the city's elite families.
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Mon, 14 Jul 2014, 11:26
Quote from: mrrockey on Mon, 14 Jul 2014, 10:37
While nothing about it looks inherently terrible, it just looks incredibly bland and generic and it looks just like any other police procedural drama on right now. I think I'll only watch this if the reviews are unamiously positive. If it gets mixed or just fairly decent reviews, then I don't think I'll ever watch it.
The advance word so far is positive but it will be a pretty tall task to get unanimously great reviews. Few films and shows get that.
I know what you mean about it looking like a rote police procedural series, but surely the interesting aspect is seeing the juxtaposition between the police procedural and the bizarre characters that make up Batman's Rogue's Gallery.
I don't know. For me, seeing a show set in the Batman universe, WITHOUT Batman or any of his supporting characters BEING the characters we know and love, is just pointless. It's probably mainly gonna be Gordon solving murder cases or fighting mob bosses in Gotham, which pretty much makes it every other cop drama on right now. I just don't see the appeal behind watching these characters we know and love, not BEING the characters we know and love.