Does anybody else find it strange that the Penguin has a blueprint of the Batmobile pinned on his wall as he explains to Catwoman how he plans to shame Batman?
When I lurked the IMDb board for this movie (I should post but there are too many morons and I don't want to get my claws bloody) there were like 100-post threads about this lol. It's the great mystery. How the hell did he get his flippers on them? It's a big plot hole if you think about it but since it's OSWALD I just ignore it.
Quote from: Catwoman on Fri, 14 Nov 2014, 12:51
When I lurked the IMDb board for this movie (I should post but there are too many morons and I don't want to get my claws bloody) there were like 100-post threads about this lol. It's the great mystery. How the hell did he get his flippers on them? It's a big plot hole if you think about it but since it's OSWALD I just ignore it.
What do you mean by morons?
There are hardly any of us left on the Batman and Batman Returns boards anymore, so I hope you're not suggesting that I'm one of them. :-\
Trolls basically. And the like. I find your opinions on the movie and on certain characters to be rather, em, vacuous, but I won't call you a moron. At least not right now.
It's a plot hole basically. Just as how Selina Kyle miraculously learns martial arts in one night. Don't care. Couldn't give a sh*t really. It is what it is lol
But it's no more a bad plot hole than how Coleman Reese also miraculously discovers Batmobile blue prints in The Dark Knight as a means of blackmailing Bruce Wayne. Even after his life gets threatened he's just going to forget about what he's discovered??? Okay fair enough. I can ignore that crap just as the mistakes of Batman Returns. All is right with the world.
Ahem. Selina's kickassery is NOT a plot hole.
So shut up you screaming pinheaded puppet. >:(
Quote from: Cobblepot4Mayor on Fri, 14 Nov 2014, 16:35
It's a plot hole basically. Just as how Selina Kyle miraculously learns martial arts in one night. Don't care. Couldn't give a sh*t really. It is what it is lol
I suppose as long as you have a film where there are characters you genuinely like and you're invested in them, you can overlook whatever the plot holes any movie might have. I'd definitely say that Selina Kyle's tragic turn as Catwoman is such an emotional roller-coaster that it helps to your carry suspension of disbelief. It helps that the film doesn't take itself
that seriously too, despite it can be bleak to watch at times.
Quote from: Cobblepot4Mayor on Fri, 14 Nov 2014, 16:35
But it's no more a bad plot hole than how Coleman Reese also miraculously discovers Batmobile blue prints in The Dark Knight as a means of blackmailing Bruce Wayne. Even after his life gets threatened he's just going to forget about what he's discovered??? Okay fair enough. I can ignore that crap just as the mistakes of Batman Returns. All is right with the world.
I honestly wouldn't call Reese discovering the Tumbler blueprints a plot hole. It could mean that Fox and Bruce failed to cover their tracks properly, and it nearly bit them on the ass. I can believe their clumsiness could happen in that area.
To me, the bigger plot holes in TDK include:
- How did Bruce know that Joker was coming to the penthouse to abduct Harvey?
- How did Gordon manage to fake his death and keep it a secret when he was surrounded by corrupt cops? I don't remember it being confirmed that the cops were in cahoots with Gordon all along.
- How could the truth about Harvey Dent not come out when Det. Ramirez survived her ordeal with him?
In fact, I'd go further by saying that Batman taking the fall for Harvey is a plot hole because everyone knows he has been fighting crime for over a year, including saving Harvey's life twice the night before, and even brought Lau back from Hong Kong to help Harvey indict the mob. And if Batman tarnishes his own symbol in favour of Dent, wouldn't that be equally devastating to the city? Batman did have admirers after all.
Catwoman wasn't unbelievably powerful; I say that because Michelle Pfeiffer did a lot of the stunts in the film. For all we know, she could have been a gymnast or something before she lost her ambition and became a secretary.
The Batmobile... I have no idea how they'd get plans to a car made from the ground up by a man who works in absolute secrecy. I mean, that was the reason no one could mess with the car...
She apparently was a little athletic. Don't forget. "Maybe I should have let him win that last racquetball game."
That's why I say it's not a plot hole, I'm not just being an overly defensive bitch. I think she was athletic, perhaps even trained (self defense classes, maybe?) but she was so meeky and mousy that when the RTC guy grabbed her, she was powerless to fight back. Catwoman had no such inhibitions though and she unleashed herself.
Quote from: Catwoman on Sat, 15 Nov 2014, 00:11
So shut up you screaming pinheaded puppet. >:(
Sheesh, where did that come from huh?
You know Ms "Catwoman" you can often be a nice, great person to talk to. And then there are times I've noticed where you tend to give people all the warmth of a rattlesnake. It can be a bit strange and not necessary. It's obvious my humorous tone in my post has gone over your head utterly. All the more stranger given I didn't direct it at anyone particularly anyway. But I can see from your comment above it genuinely seems to have pissed you off?
"Trolls basically. And the like. I find your opinions on the movie and on certain characters to be rather, em, vacuous, but I won't call you a moron. At least not right now".
Darling, I could certainly say the same of you in this case unfortunately. Maybe I'm mistaking your tended humor here? I'm unsure. I have had similar disputes on here before in which I've had to explain my true intent and I do get a little tired of it all. On a forum it's difficult sometimes to read a person's friendlier tone. Next time all you need to do is ask my intent than firing a hurtful and embarrassing comment out of the blue.
Sorry everyone else. It kinda bothered me a little lol
Also Selina's martial arts is a plot hole I'm afraid. Where did she learn it? When? How did she not use it when being threatened by that mugger? Why can she do confident back-flips when she's as meek, stiff and shy as a delicate petal when we first meet her? All we truly know about her physical prowess on screen prior to her becoming Catwoman is that she plays racket ball with disgruntled ex-boyfriends. Let me spell it out for you this time: that's not me bashing a movie in a smart arse manner, that's me pointing out a definite flaw but loving the movie anyway and not caring about it's need to address such issues. Maybe we've all had too many arguments with too many Nolan disciples.
Your name is Copplepot4Mayor. What did Oswald say as he was driving the Batmobile? That he would take care of the "screaming pinheaded puppets of Gotham." It was a joke in reference to that. I guess that sailed over your head too :P Seriously though I didn't mean it at all to be hurtful or offensive, I thought you of all people would get the joke.
She obviously shed ALL her inhibitions when she was Catwoman, so it is reasonable (at least to me) that she would have had some physical ability of some kind that was suppressed for the same reasons the rest of her was, and then when she finally cut loose and unleashed herself, like I said, that was part of it.
Ok, I checked and he actually said "Squealing, wretched pinheaded puppets of Gotham."
See? I was nicer than he was.
:P
I guess one could argue that Catwoman may have had athletic ability naturally, but she was too shy and timid to realize her own potential until her near death experience.
I suppose it's really all about far a person can transform psychologically after a traumatic experience. Just like how the murder of his parents could drive Bruce to transform himself into a deadly menace against criminals when wearing the Batsuit, despite the fact that his physique is rather average. The same thing can be said about Selina Kyle. She transforms into someone who is more seductive, confident and deadly by adopting the Catwoman persona. The freakish nature between the two disturbed people as Batman says "are the same".
Back on-topic though: yeah, the Batmobile blueprint is a plot hole. Unless you want to argue that the Penguin studied the car closely and drew his own blueprint to conceptualize how it works, but that's pretty far-fetched in my opinion.
Quote from: Catwoman on Sat, 15 Nov 2014, 15:34
Your name is Copplepot4Mayor. What did Oswald say as he was driving the Batmobile? That he would take care of the "screaming pinheaded puppets of Gotham." It was a joke in reference to that. I guess that sailed over your head too :P Seriously though I didn't mean it at all to be hurtful or offensive, I thought you of all people would get the joke.
She obviously shed ALL her inhibitions when she was Catwoman, so it is reasonable (at least to me) that she would have had some physical ability of some kind that was suppressed for the same reasons the rest of her was, and then when she finally cut loose and unleashed herself, like I said, that was part of it.
Not a problem then darling. I'm relieved in fact lol It's just when I saw the angry smiley face at the end of your post it made it seem you were being serious with me.
We all seem to be forgetting an obvious idea: the cats that bite Selina, giving her nine lives and therefore...cat-like agility? Okay I'm aware the idea of a super powered Catwoman has always been a little unpopular with some in regards to Batman Returns. But that appears to be on second thought what Burton was going for.
That's one way of looking at it, but Burton clarified that when looked at for what it is, there's nothing supernatural about the story. Selena falls, but the awnings help cushion her fall and she survives with minor injuries.