two face vs venom

Started by riddler, Tue, 30 Jul 2013, 02:14

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I found this bit of information on a Batman Wikia page:

QuoteAccording to Nolan, had Ledger not died, part of the plot for the sequel would have had the Joker standing trial for his crimes, with Two-Face, having survived his encounter with Batman, also rampaging across Gotham.

Source: http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/The_Joker_%28Heath_Ledger%29#Behind_the_Scenes

Bear in mind though, that is an unquoted source, and it could have been made up. But if that was true, then it would explain why they would choose that ludicrous ending for TDK.
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Thu,  1 Aug  2013, 00:38I found this bit of information on a Batman Wikia page:

QuoteAccording to Nolan, had Ledger not died, part of the plot for the sequel would have had the Joker standing trial for his crimes, with Two-Face, having survived his encounter with Batman, also rampaging across Gotham.

Source: http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/The_Joker_%28Heath_Ledger%29#Behind_the_Scenes

Bear in mind though, that is an unquoted source, and it could have been made up. But if that was true, then it would explain why they would choose that ludicrous ending for TDK.
I don't buy it. Ledger passed away a bit less than six months before TDK came out. I can't kill enough brain cells to convince myself the movie could've been so radically changed in that amount of time or that the thought would've even crossed Nolan's mind.

That wiki article is half-right, half wrong.  Ledger's death may have affected their ideas for a third movie, but it didn't affect keeping Harvey/Two-Face alive at the end of the film (and why would it?).

The article's detail of the plot- with Joker on trial and Two-Face as the main villain- seems to be paraphrased from a magazine article that David Goyer did in 2005 after Batman Begins released, where, in a rare moment of being forthcoming on the future movies, outlined those plans for the next two movies:
QuoteWriter David Goyer talks about possible sequels and says (spoilers ahead), "The next one would have Batman enlisting the aid of Gordon and [Harvey] Dent [aka Two-Face] in bringing down the Joker... but not killing him, which is a mistake they made in the first one." The article then says that "In the third, the Joker would go on trial, scarring Dent in the process."
http://www.superherohype.com/features/articles/88561-premiere-features-batman-begins

As you can guess, this changed during the development process of The Dark Knight by having Dent scarred by Joker and becoming Two-Face in the second installment, which was obviously way before Ledger's sudden death.
That awkward moment when you remember the only Batman who's never killed is George Clooney...

I don't see how Ledgers death would have affected two face being in the third film either. The second film definitively showed Harvey as dead. If anything Ledger's death should have increased the likelyhood of two face being in the third film.