http://collider.com/independence-day-2-3-sequels-roland-emmerich/
I really enjoy the original, in fact it's an all-time favorite of mine. They have to get the story right to go ahead with sequels, if not scrap it!
The sequels are not gonna focus on Smith's character therefore I'm not interested in them.
Quote from: Batman88 on Thu, 28 Mar 2013, 13:09
The sequels are not gonna focus on Smith's character therefore I'm not interested in them.
Aman brother 8)
Will Smith definitely had charisma in the film but I see it as an ensemble cast, everyone had their own worthwhile stories.
Quote from: Batman88 on Thu, 28 Mar 2013, 13:09The sequels are not gonna focus on Smith's character therefore I'm not interested in them.
Is Smith even going to be in it? Maybe the original was an ensemble piece (although I note Smith got top billing) but I always viewed it as a Smith vehicle. If he doesn't have comparable screen time for the sequels, I'd just as soon not bother.
So Jeff Goldblum is confirmed and also Vivica A. Fox. At least we'll get some of the original cast. Still not sure about this but I'm hoping for the best as the original film is one of my all-time favorite.
Quote from: Grissom on Mon, 30 Mar 2015, 21:46
So Jeff Goldblum is confirmed and also Vivica A. Fox. At least we'll get some of the original cast. Still not sure about this but I'm hoping for the best as the original film is one of my all-time favorite.
I'm glad there will be some continuity with the original. I suspect Vivica A. Fox will be back because the lead character is said to be Will Smith's son (no not his real son, Jaden Smith, but the son of 'Captain Steven Hillier'), who we saw briefly in the original. Does this mean 'Captain Steven Hillier' will already be dead? And where is former President Thomas Whitmore (Bill Pullman)?
If they have to explain the whereabouts of the other characters, I hope it's a good explanation. If not it would definitely make br unhappy.
Looking forward to it nonetheless.
I fell in love with Will in the original. One of my fav ever characters so if he's not in it Kitty will has a sad. But Jeff Goldblum and Bill Pullman already said they're in so that will be fun. Too bad Randy Quaid's character died, he'd be perfectly at home reprising it since he's halfway to outer space now. lol
I'm 50/50 divided over the upcoming sequel. I'm absolutely thrilled it's coming. Incredible it's coming out 20 years from when the original exploded onto the screen. I was eight years old when I saw it (the only kid in the entire audience in fact lol) and I remember the cinema being packed. And I mean PACKED! Only other time I have seen this level of American cinema frenzy in a UK screening was during the previous year when Batman Forever came out. You certainly don't see that these days and sadly I doubt very much we'll see it again next year.
However I'm also well, a little depressed with the situation too lol You see I saw it with my late dad and it, like many other big 90's blockbusters, kind of defines that happier childhood time in my life when life was a little sweeter. Recently there seems to be a desire to get all nostalgic with the 1990's. Perhaps it's that time when it's come of age historically? And while I'm happy this is the case at the same time it can be agonizing to be reminded of days you just can't get back anymore. Things will get a little worse when Alien 5 is released and my dad doesn't get to see that one. Let alone his favorite character Hicks coming back from the freakin dead! The sense of irony shall not be lost.
I'm pleased to see Independence Day 2 has some enthusiasm on here. Often I read in the years since it's release opinion changed around. It sort of becomes a film to be mocked. Some can't stomach the idea of American's saving the world lol Whereas to me it's perfectly logical. Who the hell else is going to do such a task in reality anyway? France? Not bleedin likely lol As for that dated computer virus resolution?....well I bought it as a kid. I still do now, rather foolishly. No problems for me. Just a great popcorn entertainment ride. I'm looking forward to discovering more about the alien race. Maybe this time someone will finally give the buggers a name!
For me personally Jeff Goldblum was the real hero of Independence Day. Okay he's the geek and I know it's uncool to root for the geek. But nonetheless it was HE who truly saved the world. So I'm beyond pleased he's appearing and the loss of him would have been much bigger a deal to me than Mr Smith. I just found out Brent Spiner is coming back. This is most shocking to me. His character was so utterly wacky, loved him. But I really believed he was killed in that alien lab attack (which frightened the hell out of me in 96, "Releasssse...meeee..." Brrr!). I know Dean Devlin stated on the commentary he wasn't really dead but frankly I didn't believe him. I'm not sure if it spoils the scariness of that sequence to now discover he really was alive. Still the character is nuts and the sequel will benefit in having him nonetheless.
It's just a pity they cannot raise Randy Quaid's character from the dead. Nor would I want them to really. Because then you go and ruin possibly the finest (and most hilarious) exit ever in a film: "HELLO BOY'S, I'M BAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!"....
"In the words of my generation...UP YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURS!"
lmao
i'll probably see it out of curiosity, but I honestly wasn't a ID4 kid back when the film made it's premiere. Unlike alot of my friends were. It was a spectacle for sure, and the sight of NYC being completely destroyed was memorable to say the least, I distinctly remember being much more of a fan of the other invasion from space movie that came out in '96; Mars Attacks!
Since so much time has passed, I'm kinda surprised Devlin and Emmerich aren't just re-booting ID4 like nearly every other film that has name recognition has been. Especially since I heard they want to reboot, as opposed to making a sequel, to Stargate.
Quote from: The Joker on Sun, 12 Apr 2015, 16:41
i'll probably see it out of curiosity, but I honestly wasn't a ID4 kid back when the film made it's premiere. Unlike alot of my friends were. It was a spectacle for sure, and the sight of NYC being completely destroyed was memorable to say the least, I distinctly remember being much more of a fan of the other invasion from space movie that came out in '96; Mars Attacks!
It's funny that you mention Mars Attacks. I was in fact about to write up a topic on that particular subject given it's connections to a certain Mr Burton. It's in fact on television where I am tonight. Will be watching it since I haven't seen it in some time. Independence Day was on yesterday too.
As I seem to recall it's quite Burton's wackiest film. First saw it when my family rented it on VHS and while I don't think my dad was quite enthused by it, it did kind of capture my imagination. I always remember the attack in the desert really did frighten the hell out of me at age eight. The Martian's ray gun's that disintegrate people into skeleton's utterly disturbed me for some reason. Now, I just think it's a really cool effect that holds up quite well. And the gun's have those incredible sound effects that you can always imitate. I believe toy company Trendmasters even released a toy of the ray blasters.
The thing I enjoyed most about it was the stellar all-star cast appearances. I recognized quite a few of them from many other projects my family and I had liked. Seeing Jack Nicholson and Danny Devito in the same film! (albeit never meeting). I wasn't aware at the time they have done a series of film's together away from Batman, so Mars Attacks was a blast just for seeing something like that. I was quite upset and shocked however to see another childhood hero, Michael J Fox, getting done in by the Martian's in that infamous desert scene. Diving in to save Sarah Jessica Parker ("Hocus Pocus"), with all that classic "Marty McFly" physicality he always does so brilliantly, only to get zapped by that little bugger lol I very quickly started to get Burton's running gag of wiping out the famous faces throughout. And of course he left old Jack till last. But I was quite relieved to see the great and sweet Sylvia Sidney ("Beetlejuice") be one of the few to survive. How appropriate in her very last film to be the one who save's everything! Burton certainly gave her a sendoff with a bang. I thank Mr Burton for also sparing the babe that is Natalie Portman too lol She hadn't yet done Star Wars but I already knew of her even at that age from Luc Besson's excellent "Leon". It's a shame her character isn't the sharpest but if you put her in a spin-off film with Winona Ryder's Lydia from Beetlejuice, you may have a strange and funny little Burton side project (both characters and actresses are very very similar to each other in many ways).
Some of the jokes and story in Mars Attacks still don't always work for me. Some do fall a bit flat. I was loving Sarah Jessica Parker's performance as the rather dumb media blonde that stumbles into the major stories at the expense of Fox's hardworking professionalism. Once she gets captured, turned into the easy sight gag of a dog and begins flirting with bleedin "James Bond" himself, they kind of cut off the great power supply of her character I was enjoying. I don't know why Burton persisted with giving so much time to that boxer dude either. I think what would have certainly improved the movie would have been much much more Danny Devito.......less less less Tom Jones! Devito may have done this "cameo role" as a favor to Tim but it's just a shame because in any comedy he never fails to have me rolling on the floor with laughter. I was quite disappointed when he finally gets zapped (though one of the best scene's in the movie, "Take it, it's a rolex!"). I did chuckle when Jones exclaims "Jesus Christ!" at the site of his Martian backing singers but as a child I still couldn't stop myself thinking that the clever man who made Batman had now gone a little too round the twist with this idea. Jones appearance should have stopped there but no, he goes on to learn how to fire Martian blaster's (and fly a plane to safety in his best tribute to pantomime acting) and even drop references Cardiff, Wales to poor, undeserving American people. Oh dear.
The real disappointment however was when I learnt who Burton originally wanted for the Las Vegas Casino character that ended up also being played by Jack Nicholson. In fact the particular actor was even considered for the role of the President. It was Michael Keaton! Oh man, why couldn't they have done THAT? Maybe the role is a little too Beetlejuice-esque but still, the movie that would have reunited Keaton with Nicholson (and Devito) is a treat sadly lost.
Quote from: Cobblepot4Mayor on Sun, 12 Apr 2015, 18:02
It's funny that you mention Mars Attacks. I was in fact about to write up a topic on that particular subject given it's connections to a certain Mr Burton. It's in fact on television where I am tonight. Will be watching it since I haven't seen it in some time. Independence Day was on yesterday too.
As I seem to recall it's quite Burton's wackiest film. First saw it when my family rented it on VHS and while I don't think my dad was quite enthused by it, it did kind of capture my imagination. I always remember the attack in the desert really did frighten the hell out of me at age eight. The Martian's ray gun's that disintegrate people into skeleton's utterly disturbed me for some reason. Now, I just think it's a really cool effect that holds up quite well. And the gun's have those incredible sound effects that you can always imitate. I believe toy company Trendmasters even released a toy of the ray blasters.
The thing I enjoyed most about it was the stellar all-star cast appearances. I recognized quite a few of them from many other projects my family and I had liked. Seeing Jack Nicholson and Danny Devito in the same film! (albeit never meeting). I wasn't aware at the time they have done a series of film's together away from Batman, so Mars Attacks was a blast just for seeing something like that. I was quite upset and shocked however to see another childhood hero, Michael J Fox, getting done in by the Martian's in that infamous desert scene. Diving in to save Sarah Jessica Parker ("Hocus Pocus"), with all that classic "Marty McFly" physicality he always does so brilliantly, only to get zapped by that little bugger lol I very quickly started to get Burton's running gag of wiping out the famous faces throughout. And of course he left old Jack till last. But I was quite relieved to see the great and sweet Sylvia Sidney ("Beetlejuice") be one of the few to survive. How appropriate in her very last film to be the one who save's everything! Burton certainly gave her a sendoff with a bang. I thank Mr Burton for also sparing the babe that is Natalie Portman too lol She hadn't yet done Star Wars but I already knew of her even at that age from Luc Besson's excellent "Leon". It's a shame her character isn't the sharpest but if you put her in a spin-off film with Winona Ryder's Lydia from Beetlejuice, you may have a strange and funny little Burton side project (both characters and actresses are very very similar to each other in many ways).
Some of the jokes and story in Mars Attacks still don't always work for me. Some do fall a bit flat. I was loving Sarah Jessica Parker's performance as the rather dumb media blonde that stumbles into the major stories at the expense of Fox's hardworking professionalism. Once she gets captured, turned into the easy sight gag of a dog and begins flirting with bleedin "James Bond" himself, they kind of cut off the great power supply of her character I was enjoying. I don't know why Burton persisted with giving so much time to that boxer dude either. I think what would have certainly improved the movie would have been much much more Danny Devito.......less less less Tom Jones! Devito may have done this "cameo role" as a favor to Tim but it's just a shame because in any comedy he never fails to have me rolling on the floor with laughter. I was quite disappointed when he finally gets zapped (though one of the best scene's in the movie, "Take it, it's a rolex!"). I did chuckle when Jones exclaims "Jesus Christ!" at the site of his Martian backing singers but as a child I still couldn't stop myself thinking that the clever man who made Batman had now gone a little too round the twist with this idea. Jones appearance should have stopped there but no, he goes on to learn how to fire Martian blaster's (and fly a plane to safety in his best tribute to pantomime acting) and even drop references Cardiff, Wales to poor, undeserving American people. Oh dear.
The real disappointment however was when I learnt who Burton originally wanted for the Las Vegas Casino character that ended up also being played by Jack Nicholson. In fact the particular actor was even considered for the role of the President. It was Michael Keaton! Oh man, why couldn't they have done THAT? Maybe the role is a little too Beetlejuice-esque but still, the movie that would have reunited Keaton with Nicholson (and Devito) is a treat sadly lost.
Nice write up on your thoughts on the film, Cobblepot. I was unaware of Burton trying to get Michael Keaton for the role of the seedy Casino character. Although I thought Jack was hilarious in the part, the idea of Keaton in the part would have been a blast I'm sure.
One thing I remember about that time, was the fact that I was somewhat taken aback by the trailers for Mars Attacks! when I realized that Burton was playing it up as much more of a comedy than I was originally anticipating. But most of that was due to the nature of the original cards, and the comic book series being released by Topps Comics, which were much more serious/harrowing in their presentation.
Well my family and I watched it and had a blast with it! Great, underrated little Burton comedy.
Yeah I did love Jack's dual role myself. My favorite gag is when his Vegas persona has witnessed the Martian's devastation on TV and looks up from smoking a cigarette with a stunned: "Woah...." lol I can certainly imagine that being Michael Keaton's big moment had things worked out differently.
Johnny Depp actually turned down the Jason Stone part. One of the few, if only times, he decided not to work with Burton. Glad he did though. Seeing Michael J Fox working with Burton is just too cool and unique.
In watching it there seemed a few in-jokey references too. At one point when reading a newspaper headline on the Martian discovery Fox exclaims: "This...is intense!". That certainly felt like a Back to the Future reference. Marty tended to go round saying that alongside the similarly "This is heavy!" whenever problems arose lol When Martin Short invites the Martian Spy Girl into his secret room he actually flipped up the head of a JFK bust and touched a hidden switch to gain access. Batman TV series reference if ever I saw one. Just in case anybody really believed Burton didn't like the Adam West era...not true.
I'd also forgotten just what a cracking main theme Danny Elfman had composed. Alongside a damn good title sequence, Burton appears to be a master of these. With those cool, spooky Martian "whirrs" in the music I'd love if Elfman got his hands on something like the Doctor Who theme to orchestrate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6rYhQDQ4to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kip1a82lnlA
SuperBowl spot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfJgT89hEME
I like it! I'm still a bit worried about the storyline though. I think Independence Day is one of the best stand alone sci-fi blockbusters, so to do a sequel, the story must be good and feasible. It remains to be seen how it turns out but yeah I'll go to the theatre and see it. Looks like Emmerich completely destroyed the world this time. 8)