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Joss Whedon will apparently have a bigger role in the DCEU and Zack Snyder's role is to be diminished.
So, will all you diehard supporters of the DCEU continue to support the franchise now that it looks like Whedon will be the major player in shaping its direction?
I know we're apparently not allowed to bring politics into this site (as relevant as it is to absolutely everything...) but as you know I'm a liberal, and even I can't stand a lot of the hateful and intolerant bilge that comes out of Whedon's mouth/ends up on his Twitter account, so I wonder how the rest of you feel about this seeing as many of the diehard DCEU fans here are, I think it's safe to say, somewhat less liberal in their politics than me...
I also wonder whether he will be working with Nicole Kidman, who is currently filming a role as Aquaman's mother in the franchise, seeing as he likened her to a Thunderbirds puppet earlier this year on Twitter. Talk about awkward.
Still, at least this probably means he won't be a part of the MCU any longer, which is arguably a good thing (even if his Avengers is one of the best comic-book movies of all time).
There were reports that both Zack and Deborah Snyder's control of the DCEU was diminishing according to 'unnamed sources', but WB President Toby Emmerich said this (which was also included in the clickbait headlines claiming this rumour was fact ::)):
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The Snyders remain an important part of the Warner Bros. family and are actively involved in several upcoming DC pictures, including their continued creative input on Justice League. We are excited about our partnership and look forward to our continued collaboration.
Source: https://moviepilot.com/p/zach-snyder-still-involved-dceu/4332428
Of course, this didn't stop disgraced comic book writer Gerry Conway from making yet another series of classless tweets about Snyder.
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"Zack Snyder's Influence on DC Films Will Be Significantly Smaller Moving Forward" Thank the Amazonian gods
https://twitter.com/gerryconway/status/890293626210705408
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My guess is he would have been sidelined regardless. His daughter's death is tragic but not part of WB's decision.
https://twitter.com/gerryconway/status/890294989191733248
Never mind he comes across as a heartless bastard over the fact that Snyder stepped down because of a family tragedy, or his refusal to acknowledge his contributions to Patty Jenkins' Wonder Woman - Conway apparently has an uncredited writing role for Killer Croc and Slipknot's roles in SUICIDE SQUAD!
Source: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0176689/?ref_=nv_sr_1
HA. Take a good look at yourself, Conway. Stop being a pathetic asshole. Thankfully, there are lots of people are denouncing him on his Twitter feed.
But then again, what do you expect from somebody who proudly calls himself a "passionate libtard"?*
*NOTE: I'm not conservative, I just don't like far left supporters. They're just as a crazy as the far right.
Should we not already be figuring out to take DCEU rumours with a grain of salt until they are confirmed by a reputable source?
For the most part Marvel seems to cycling new people throughout, Kevin Feige might be the only constant although the Russo brothers seem to be heavily involved at this point. James Gunn, Jon Favreau, and Whedon are the only other ones to direct multiple MCU films. I like it, it makes the films stand out uniquely and avoids redundancy. I'm greatful for what Whedon gave us, especially the first Avengers movie but if his time is up with the MCU, life will move on.
I think it's premature to speculate on Snyder's future within the DCEU. What his family is going through may be something that they can overcome within a few months or it may well quash his artistic drive and vision permanently much the way the death of Rick Moranis' wife drove him into early retirement. I don't know too much about Snyder but I do know a fair amount about the situation he is an and what I can pretty much guarantee is that Zak Snyder is likely assessing his own mental health with much higher scrutiny today than he was a year ago. What he wants in his own future now is likely very different than what he wanted before this happened to his daughter. It's quite possible that he may not want to deal with superheroes who've experienced personal tragedy any more.
As far as the DCEU goes, they're in a tough spot. They have to show class given the situation but it's also important to note that given what is at stake with the DCEU, it's hard to justify putting the brakes on for one family. I can't imagine that DC would know by now they are moving on from Snyder even without the tragedy. They misjudged both box office performance and fan perception for the first three films here before getting it right with Wonder Woman, they themselves can't truly know yet how this film will do. The last thing they would want to do is can Snyder and then have his film finally break the 1 billion dollar box office intake they were hoping for.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Thu, 27 Jul 2017, 12:47Of course, this didn't stop disgraced comic book writer Gerry Conway from making yet another series of classless tweets about Snyder.
I'm not disputing your statement, far less disagreeing with you, but out of interest, why is Gerry Conway 'disgraced'? I may have missed the news and I'm curious to know.
QuoteNever mind he comes across as a heartless bastard over the fact that Snyder stepped down because of a family tragedy, or his refusal to acknowledge his contributions to Patty Jenkins' Wonder Woman - Conway apparently has an uncredited writing role for Killer Croc and Slipknot's roles in SUICIDE SQUAD!
Source: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0176689/?ref_=nv_sr_1
HA. Take a good look at yourself, Conway. Stop being a pathetic asshole. Thankfully, there are lots of people are denouncing him on his Twitter feed.
But then again, what do you expect from somebody who proudly calls himself a "passionate libtard"?*
*NOTE: I'm not conservative, I just don't like far left supporters. They're just as a crazy as the far right.
I agree that Conaway comes across as a jerk for his insensitive comments concerning Snyder's family tragedy. I also think anyone who calls themselves a 'libtard' is to be avoided, and I say that as someone who
is a liberal, maybe even what some of you guys consider 'far left'. But why someone would be proud to call themselves a 'libtard' is beyond me. I don't think it's a term that any honest liberal should be trying to 'reclaim' not least because it implicitly insults people who suffer from medical retardation.
2 things - I'm not easy with political talk starting to creep in here.
And keep insults about Gerry Conway restrained please.
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Thu, 27 Jul 2017, 23:37
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Thu, 27 Jul 2017, 12:47Of course, this didn't stop disgraced comic book writer Gerry Conway from making yet another series of classless tweets about Snyder.
I'm not disputing your statement, far less disagreeing with you, but out of interest, why is Gerry Conway 'disgraced'? I may have missed the news and I'm curious to know.
QuoteNever mind he comes across as a heartless bastard over the fact that Snyder stepped down because of a family tragedy, or his refusal to acknowledge his contributions to Patty Jenkins' Wonder Woman - Conway apparently has an uncredited writing role for Killer Croc and Slipknot's roles in SUICIDE SQUAD!
Source: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0176689/?ref_=nv_sr_1
HA. Take a good look at yourself, Conway. Stop being a pathetic asshole. Thankfully, there are lots of people are denouncing him on his Twitter feed.
But then again, what do you expect from somebody who proudly calls himself a "passionate libtard"?*
*NOTE: I'm not conservative, I just don't like far left supporters. They're just as a crazy as the far right.
I agree that Conaway comes across as a jerk for his insensitive comments concerning Snyder's family tragedy. I also think anyone who calls themselves a 'libtard' is to be avoided, and I say that as someone who is a liberal, maybe even what some of you guys consider 'far left'. But why someone would be proud to call themselves a 'libtard' is beyond me. I don't think it's a term that any honest liberal should be trying to 'reclaim' not least because it implicitly insults people who suffer from medical retardation.
Respecting Paul's wishes not to turn this into a political debate, I'll try and address this from a neutral standpoint. I have never seen the term "libtard" used in a non-derogatory sense because that was the intent of the word; to insult liberals and so I can't figure out why anyone would use it to describe themselves unless they had a hidden agenda (ie closet liberal hater pretending to be a liberal). It would be the equivalent of a Christopher Nolan fan referring to themselves by one of the derogatory terms used to describe them such as Nolanite, Nolantard etc.
Quote from: Paul (ral) on Fri, 28 Jul 2017, 12:53
2 things - I'm not easy with political talk starting to creep in here.
And keep insults about Gerry Conway restrained please.
I'm sorry Paul. I know you don't like it, but with all due respect it's sometimes hard to avoid. Joss Whedon appears to be taking over the DCEU, and he has also made some very inflammatory political comments on Twitter. For what it's worth, my argument isn't about Whedon's politics (which, by the by, I mostly happen to share), but the provocative way he expresses himself, and I suspect The Laughing Fish and I are more or less in agreement on that particular point.
Also, if Gerry Conway has referred to himself as a 'libtard', who is doing the insulting really?
Quote from: Paul (ral) on Fri, 28 Jul 2017, 12:53
And keep insults about Gerry Conway restrained please.
I'll stop insulting Gerry Conway when he grows a conscience. Considering under the circumstances why Snyder left production for JL, you'd think somebody like Conway would be respectful and cut down on his vitriol. We all have passionate opinions on a lot of things, and art being one of them, but hating on somebody's work doesn't give me, you or anyone else a right to be cruel following a tragedy. It's despicable and immoral discourse, and a supposed artist like Conway should know better than to engage in such behaviour. None of us should.
Gerry Conway has had precisely three good ideas in his career. And I'd argue over one of those but there's a prohibition on politics (although some are more equal than others, it seems).
Point is that Conway celebrating Snyder's supposed departure (especially considering the circumstances under which it's allegedly happening) is really beneath contempt.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Sat, 29 Jul 2017, 00:26
Gerry Conway has had precisely three good ideas in his career. And I'd argue over one of those but there's a prohibition on politics (although some are more equal than others, it seems).
Point is that Conway celebrating Snyder's supposed departure (especially considering the circumstances under which it's allegedly happening) is really beneath contempt.
We don't need to get into a person's politics to agree that someone is being a jerk (in this case I think Whedon has been a jerk, and I'll take yours and TLF's word that this also applies to Gerry Conway, although I confess I don't really know that much about him). Forget left and right/liberal and conservative politics for a moment. Hopefully we can all agree that wherever we stand politically there is a reasonable way and a wrong way to express ourselves.
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Sat, 29 Jul 2017, 16:39We don't need to get into a person's politics
Then why do you keep bringing it up?
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Sat, 29 Jul 2017, 16:39Forget left and right/liberal and conservative politics for a moment.
I wish I could. But somehow the subject keeps getting brought up even though it's actively moderated on this page.
Sure wish we could understand why so that the guilty party could be dealt with, eh?
thecolorsblend, can we please drop the hostilities? I think I'm on your side on this particular topic, and besides, we're talking about Whedon and Conway's attitudes here, not their politics.
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Sun, 30 Jul 2017, 01:05
we're talking about Whedon and Conway's attitudes here, not their politics.
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Quote from: johnnygobbs on Wed, 26 Jul 2017, 20:24
but as you know I'm a liberal
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Wed, 26 Jul 2017, 20:24
I wonder how the rest of you feel about this seeing as many of the diehard DCEU fans here are, I think it's safe to say, somewhat less liberal in their politics than me...
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Wed, 26 Jul 2017, 20:24
So, will all you diehard supporters of the DCEU continue to support the franchise now that it looks like Whedon will be the major player in shaping its direction?
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Sat, 29 Jul 2017, 20:35
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Sat, 29 Jul 2017, 16:39We don't need to get into a person's politics
Then why do you keep bringing it up?
Amen!
Pretty much.
So if we're through talking about meaningless things then I'd like to say (to TDK) that if Whedon is willing to adapt himself to the emerging DCEU tone and style, I guess it's okay that he's joining the team. I don't have to love it (and I don't) but it could lead to some positive things, eh TDK?
This thread was created to goad conservative DCEU supporters and stir up trouble. I've deliberately refrained from politics and decided to focus on movies and comics, and then a thread like this gets made?
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 30 Jul 2017, 06:29This thread was created to goad conservative DCEU supporters and stir up trouble. I've deliberately refrained from politics and decided to focus on movies and comics, and then a thread like this gets made?
Yeah well, something tells me not much will be done about this.
Or if anything is, both sides will be admonished.
If it's an especially strange day, the right side of the spectrum will catch all the blame (despite our being the target rather than the perp).
Another day, another dollar.
I thought I was asking a legitimate question because on other occasions various posters around here have made their antipathetic feelings towards Whedon quite clear, and for what it's worth, far from seeking to stir them up, I actually rather sympathise with them.
If everyone is cool with Whedon in charge, that's great. But if not, surely now is the time to make those feelings clear to Warner Bros rather than see a franchise I know many of you love and are invested in, go in the wrong direction.
No one, regardless of politics, religion and personal taste, deserves to see something they love and hold dear destroyed by someone else.
Yes I know, you poor victim. TDK and I cried it out a while ago over how bad you have it around here. Sure must be difficult for you.
Anyway, so supposedly Whedon will pick up where Snyder is leaving off. Considering none of us are in any position to change that, it would appear we have no choice but to see where things go and hope for the best.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Mon, 31 Jul 2017, 02:07
Anyway, so supposedly Whedon will pick up where Snyder is leaving off. Considering none of us are in any position to change that, it would appear we have no choice but to see where things go and hope for the best.
There really isn't a choice. Snyder has openly admitted he is having a hard time keeping his head in the game given his personal tragedy and had to step aside. No matter your opinion on Snyder, him continuing the film wasn't an option. So between the other options of shelving the film or releasing as is, DC chose to move on with someone else who happens to have experience at this sort of thing.
I wouldn't call myself a Joss Whedon fan but he may be the best candidate to take this role. How many other film executives would come in under this circumstance and remain humble. Whedon has experience with this sort of thing, he is more likely than any other qualified individual to keep this as a Snyder baby.
I'm sure most of you have heard of the news that Joss Whedon's ex-wife is now slamming him in public. She's accusing him for having multiple affairs while they were married, and calls him a hypocrite for his championing of feminism. Some fans are reacting to this extremely badly, as one fansite had apparently shut down after fifteen years.
Under normal circumstances, a celebrity's personal life is none of my concern. But now I have the uncomfortable thought that some detractors will take advantage of this revelation to spin their negativity towards Justice League and Batgirl. After all, if the same vile pigs celebrated Snyder leaving the JL production to grieve for his deceased daughter, then anything is possible.
As a matter of fact, some pathetic blog, which I won't name, took advantage of the horrible Charlottesville incident a few weeks ago by claiming Snyder's adaptation of 300 was white nationalist propaganda and compared it to Birth of a Nation. So it wouldn't surprise me if attention seeking bloggers and critics would condemn Whedon's involvement in the upcoming DCEU films to virtue signal. Makes me wonder if Whedon's Avengers films will now be looked in a different light, assuming if the rumours are true, of course.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Tue, 22 Aug 2017, 11:18I'm sure most of you have heard of the news that Joss Whedon's ex-wife is now slamming him in public. She's accusing him for having multiple affairs while they were married, and calls him a hypocrite for his championing of feminism. Some fans are reacting to this extremely badly, as one fansite had apparently shut down after fifteen years.
Under normal circumstances, a celebrity's personal life is none of my concern. But now I have the uncomfortable thought that some detractors will take advantage of this revelation to spin their negativity towards Justice League and Batgirl. After all, if the same vile pigs celebrated Snyder leaving the JL production to grieve for his deceased daughter, then anything is possible.
Snyder's problems are deeply sad and were done to him as a parent. Whedon's problems are his own. As far as I've heard, he filed for divorce and he admitted he cheated to her after he filed. So who cares about people using this as ammo against the DCEU? The comparison doesn't apply at all. Have a very great day!
God bless you all!
People say all types of things in the middle of a divorce. Considering that women file for something like 70% of all divorces in America, she needs to show some kind of cause (assuming she is the one who filed). Accusations of infidelity are convenient because they're easy to believe but virtually impossible to prove.
Ultimately we can't really know for sure. So commenting on it too much is a bit out of line.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Tue, 22 Aug 2017, 20:37
People say all types of things in the middle of a divorce. Considering that women file for something like 70% of all divorces in America, she needs to show some kind of cause (assuming she is the one who filed). Accusations of infidelity are convenient because they're easy to believe but virtually impossible to prove.
I'm not the biggest Whedon fan, but this is absolutely true. It becomes 'take my word for it'.
I was expecting Whedon's ex-wife to reveal that they enjoyed regular gangbang cuckoldry.
Disappointed.
Quote from: riddler on Mon, 31 Jul 2017, 14:00
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Mon, 31 Jul 2017, 02:07
Anyway, so supposedly Whedon will pick up where Snyder is leaving off. Considering none of us are in any position to change that, it would appear we have no choice but to see where things go and hope for the best.
There really isn't a choice. Snyder has openly admitted he is having a hard time keeping his head in the game given his personal tragedy and had to step aside. No matter your opinion on Snyder, him continuing the film wasn't an option. So between the other options of shelving the film or releasing as is, DC chose to move on with someone else who happens to have experience at this sort of thing.
I wouldn't call myself a Joss Whedon fan but he may be the best candidate to take this role. How many other film executives would come in under this circumstance and remain humble. Whedon has experience with this sort of thing, he is more likely than any other qualified individual to keep this as a Snyder baby.
Well...this certainly didn't age very well.
I was looking on Twitter yet again and while reading somebody's terribly pseudo-intellectual interpretation over how she thinks TDK Joker doesn't threaten any women sexually on screen (even though he expresses how attractive Rachel is, while brandishing a knife to her face), Whedon took the opportunity to say this garbage:
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There's a little lightning bolt in here. (would have been fun if there were more women in the story to corroborate, but it's dead on - also hits why the Suicide Squad Joker creeped me out in all the wrong ways.)
https://twitter.com/joss/status/1177862634458275840
The f***ing nerve of this prick. First of all, the SS Joker was drastically toned down, along with the rest of the film, to accommodate the bitching and whining over BvS. Secondly, that's quite of rich of Whedon to talk about getting "creeped" out over male characters' sexual conduct when he is constantly criticised for Bruce Banner falling into Black Widow's breasts in AOU, and had the gall to repeat the same dumb joke between Flash and Wonder Woman when he butchered Snyder's movie. What a double-crossing degenerate.
And if this screenshot that somebody shared that is apparently from Whedon's script for an unproduced WW movie, once again, he ought to STFU:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFkT3PyXUAAC8ji.png:large)
There's nothing I hate more than sanctimonious hypocrites who love to virtue signal, whether it's as serious as sexual harassment or as petty as having selective outrage when certain comic book characters kill. Assholes.
Joe Manganiello confirming Batgirl was supposed to play a key role in Affleck's Batman script sheds a whole new perspective on Whedon's involvement with that character's cancelled solo film.
The sabotage of the fledgling DCEU is scandalous.
(https://i.imgur.com/JUPcGlN.jpg)
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