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[you]

^Yes, good movie. A fun movie. A sequel is being made.

bobthegoon, you're the one who unnecessarily set the tone here. Nobody else.

You are the user that said colors was a 'retard', creepy, a daft f*** who needs psychiatric help, a smart arse, a prick, is wasting his life, a sh!t stain and a forum twat. And you've just gone on and called me a bugger, a 'f**** dickhead who has a 'big snout'.

And hey we're all wasting our lives so to speak arguing about this comic crap needlessly.

You are the one throwing all the insults. I threw one back at you – a word that you brought into play, not me. And your behaviour warrants it. Your type of behaviour is not cool around here. This conduct affects everybody. Get in line or leave.

Except I hadn't brought that word into play against yourself. That's where you got deluded. Unless your colors twin or something...Seriously though I did send a message offering an apology to this colors member. I simply mistook his tone and intent. Having spoken to some jokers on imdb I simply figured he was deliberately knocking down my opinion and whatever I was trying to explain.

On the contrary, I'd like you to say this stuff to our face. You are in no position to preach morality. I don't recall you behaving like this before.

I really don't think you'd want that mate lol Fair enough I said some things I regret and didn't really mean anyway (I don't even know the guy or yourself remember). However alternatively you don't know me either. Rather than asking me to explain my actions you immediately suggested my posts should be forever used to "name and shame" me lol Now if you'd like to do that go right ahead, be my guest, I couldn't give a f*** in all respects but it annoyed me when I've spoken with you many times before and when this disagreement had no malicious intent toward yourself. We all make mistakes. I don't think your in any position to preach about how I should be represented by this site (or anyone else for that matter) for a total misunderstanding. And I don't recall you "sharpening your knives" for a vendetta so quickly either...

Anyway, moving on from that...episode.....I'm looking at purchasing some Superman graphic novels. What are the ones I should be looking at?

Going back to my argument buy "Secret Origin" a Superman comic with Christopher Reeve's image used as a basis (finally) because any Superman's quality increases with some 1978 movie inspired imagery...nuff said. (kidding). No, I take it you'll have "Man of Steel Vol 1" by John Bryne? If not might wanna pick one up for some new movie inspired tie-ins. Superman Earth One might be important. I own a copy and haven't read the thing but this will surely be the biggest source of inspiration next to Bryne's work. If you want pure fun try "Krisis of the Krimson Kryptonite" or go for one of the DC Archive editions (the one featuring the first Mxylptlk appearance as well as early Lex Luthor). See I'm all heart.

Bob, no need for offensive comments directed at TDK...I don't care if there is an LOL at the end of it. Directing "f***in dickhead" at anyone isn't cool around here.

Sorry mate. The "lol" was for my own amusement by the way, wasn't attempting to smooth over any tension. You mistook me there I fully meant what I said. The guy butted his nose into something I hadn't considered directing at him and felt the need to swear at me at the end of it. Maybe you missed that line. If somebody had said that to me in person I'd have sent him to the emergency ward by now. Given the language I sometimes see on here in comments I wouldn't have thought it that big a deal to insult back? Anyway if it bothers him that much you can always buy him a tissue for his tears. Just informing the bugger to stay out of my argument when it wasn't his. It won't happen again provided he doesn't needlessly continue with an insult of his own.

(Love the Anchorman quote there).

[You]

Again I get robots. I get super powered villains. I slightly accept aliens. But humans? This is where you guys are losing me y'see?

There is no shortage of precedent for it.

In an age where we are constantly being told realism must count in a superhero story you honestly feel Superman will kick the crap out of a human enemy?

I don't see why he wouldn't or shouldn't or what bearing "realism" has on the argument.

We're talking about a Hercules-like being, the most powerful man on the planet here.

Your argument then is that he can't control his strength well enough to smack a regular human around? If so, how would such a strong and powerful character, say, hug a non-powered person?

As a character that has always been written to be someone to aspire to I feel it's immensely out of character for DC writers to have Superman use untold force against any species lesser than him.

I don't see how a more aspirational Superman should be such a pacifist. He's chosen an odd line of work if that's how he feels.

Perhaps they have

Yes.  They have.

This is why we have characters like General Zod who enjoys abusing humans with his powers. It doesn't make any sense to me to have Superman do that also.

That's a bit of a false comparison. Zod's targets, his motives and lack of restraint are part of what distinguish him from Superman. Just because Zod might use his heat vision to fry a small child to death doesn't mean Superman shouldn't backhand some bank robber or something. His use of force was clearly understood and defined in the comics after DC became slightly less uptight about the comics code starting in the late 60's and lasted until just about the time Donner tried to convince us that Superman wouldn't smack a regular human around.

Nobody's arguing he should use lethal force; just that he could, would and has beat some serious ass when someone needs it. The historical record is simply not on your side here.

Dude all I can say from all this is this advice, go and get yourself laid lol Seriously right now before you have yourself a heart condition. I mean you've got this weird fetish of absolutely hating anything to do with the Reeve Superman pictures. You understand we're talking f***ing movies and comics right? Or are you a retard by any chance? Now I'll accept somebody's opinion gladly but your tone on the subject I find unnecessarily harsh, unfriendly and slightly more creepy. I get the feeling your one of these daft f***s out on a mission on forums throughout the world to purge all trace of the Donner movies lol Good luck to yer pal! Do you not need psychiatric help? Some time away from chat forums should help.

I think you and I both know your intent here. Your tone in these messages above seems very much like a smart arse. I didn't feel like I'm having a mature discussion (hence my regression to childish name calling since that's a level your aiming for). So hopefully you'll sense my tone right now. I won't be having discussions with pricks trying to rule over message boards with their total opinion in place of others kay? Or ganging up on somebody to smash apart their views to suit their own. I have more of a life than to waste my time such as yourself doing that I'm afraid. I'm here for friendly discussion not heated debate or bullying competitions.

I had a similar run in like this once on imdb with a guy who went by the name "Unlimited Vertigo". Seemed to enjoy irritating serious fans by being the end all and be all of discussions. You wouldn't be that little sh*t stain by any chance huh? Wouldn't be too surprised. The nature of your responses to every line I previously wrote seems quite familiar. Either way your clearly one of these forum twats who likes to rule the roost so what's the difference eh? lol

I don't know if to burst out laughing or to frown with concern. thecolorsblend rebutted your points in a calm manner and you just spat the dummy.

You are the one who is behaving childishly. You did not even bother to rebut the points.

Filibustering: The use of obstructionist tactics, especially prolonged speechmaking, for the purpose of delaying legislative action.

You called colors a prick. You are the prick and if you can't have a discussion, get out. This shameful post you have made should be sticked to the forums to forever highlight your moment of madness.

Wanna bet you'd try saying that line you highlighted above there to my face huh? lol Yeah. Love to see it. Learn to keep your big snout out of arguments that either have nothing to do with you or weren't even directed at yourself in the first place. f***in dickhead lol  (You might wanna "stick" this to your forehead with those other "forever highlights" you mentioned there)...

Again I get robots. I get super powered villains. I slightly accept aliens. But humans? This is where you guys are losing me y'see?

There is no shortage of precedent for it.

In an age where we are constantly being told realism must count in a superhero story you honestly feel Superman will kick the crap out of a human enemy?

I don't see why he wouldn't or shouldn't or what bearing "realism" has on the argument.

We're talking about a Hercules-like being, the most powerful man on the planet here.

Your argument then is that he can't control his strength well enough to smack a regular human around? If so, how would such a strong and powerful character, say, hug a non-powered person?

As a character that has always been written to be someone to aspire to I feel it's immensely out of character for DC writers to have Superman use untold force against any species lesser than him.

I don't see how a more aspirational Superman should be such a pacifist. He's chosen an odd line of work if that's how he feels.

Perhaps they have

Yes.  They have.

This is why we have characters like General Zod who enjoys abusing humans with his powers. It doesn't make any sense to me to have Superman do that also.

That's a bit of a false comparison. Zod's targets, his motives and lack of restraint are part of what distinguish him from Superman. Just because Zod might use his heat vision to fry a small child to death doesn't mean Superman shouldn't backhand some bank robber or something. His use of force was clearly understood and defined in the comics after DC became slightly less uptight about the comics code starting in the late 60's and lasted until just about the time Donner tried to convince us that Superman wouldn't smack a regular human around.

Nobody's arguing he should use lethal force; just that he could, would and has beat some serious ass when someone needs it. The historical record is simply not on your side here.

Dude all I can say from all this is this advice, go and get yourself laid lol Seriously right now before you have yourself a heart condition. I mean you've got this weird fetish of absolutely hating anything to do with the Reeve Superman pictures. You understand we're talking f***ing movies and comics right? Or are you a retard by any chance? Now I'll accept somebody's opinion gladly but your tone on the subject I find unnecessarily harsh, unfriendly and slightly more creepy. I get the feeling your one of these daft f***s out on a mission on forums throughout the world to purge all trace of the Donner movies lol Good luck to yer pal! Do you not need psychiatric help? Some time away from chat forums should help.

I think you and I both know your intent here. Your tone in these messages above seems very much like a smart arse. I didn't feel like I'm having a mature discussion (hence my regression to childish name calling since that's a level your aiming for). So hopefully you'll sense my tone right now. I won't be having discussions with pricks trying to rule over message boards with their total opinion in place of others kay? Or ganging up on somebody to smash apart their views to suit their own. I have more of a life than to waste my time such as yourself doing that I'm afraid. I'm here for friendly discussion not heated debate or bullying competitions.

I had a similar run in like this once on imdb with a guy who went by the name "Unlimited Vertigo". Seemed to enjoy irritating serious fans by being the end all and be all of discussions. You wouldn't be that little sh*t stain by any chance huh? Wouldn't be too surprised. The nature of your responses to every line I previously wrote seems quite familiar. Either way your clearly one of these forum twats who likes to rule the roost so what's the difference eh? lol 

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^Good rebuttal, colors. If you're human, robot, alien or whatever and bad...Superman will kick your ass. I don't see why he wouldn't. If you stand in his way, you can decide to get out of it. People have got to learn lessons. Learn not to do things. Getting a knock on the head is as good warning as any. Superman has values and morals, sure. But he's not Jesus Christ. He's a fighter for Earth and its people.

The music isn't outstanding, but it is uplifting...and somehow has gotten stuck in my head.

Agreed.

The Donner crowd who accept the Williams theme and nothing else are going to slam Zimmer regardless. So I feel a bit of, I don't know, sympathy on Zimmer's side here. Judging things by saying "he didn't make something as memorable as Williams thus he failed" is silly, frankly. His job is to capture the vibe of this 2013 movie. If he does so, the job will have been successful. So I say good luck to him. I wish him all the best, genuinely so. This new sound should've happened in 06.

Again I get robots. I get super powered villains. I slightly accept aliens. But humans? This is where you guys are losing me y'see? In an age where we are constantly being told realism must count in a superhero story you honestly feel Superman will kick the crap out of a human enemy? I mean physically beat him Batman style, as vicious as an artist can imagine? Because if we're talking about realism the chances are the human would be dead at the end of it lol

We're talking about a Hercules-like being, the most powerful man on the planet here. As a character that has always been written to be someone to aspire to I feel it's immensely out of character for DC writers to have Superman use untold force against any species lesser than him. Perhaps they have but to me that is a dreadful mistake. Writers and artists teams come and go at DC, they all have differing opinions on how to write a character situation I guess. And like filmmakers they don't always do the right thing. Roger Stern felt if Superman was selfish in exploiting his powers against humans he'd be our King, ruling humans. This is why we have characters like General Zod who enjoys abusing humans with his powers. It doesn't make any sense to me to have Superman do that also.

Despite "Man of Steel" being evidently influenced by Nolan's Batman vision, the latest trailer is nothing but aces with me. As it was, most definately, what Superman fans deserved back in 2006, but didn't receive.

Absolutely.

I am very pleased about the lack of trunks on this costume. But what do people think about the overall darker colour the suit has, ala in the interrogation scene?

I miss the yellow belt frankly. Which nobody seems to have spoken about at all. Yellow is the color they've gotten rid of the most apart from the background of the shield it seems. We're never going to get a brightly colored Superman on the screen ever again I don't think. Look around you, ever superhero is getting a darker hue on the screen these days. As for the trunks honestly I miss those too. Whereas Superman looked previously like he was wearing boxers over his blue pants now he just looks a little....naked!

I've always liked when artists put the all yellow shield on the back of the cape. For some reason this is the element that keeps disappearing the most. I'd have liked Cavill to have had one on the cape also. For some reason it makes the cape "pop" in design better.

Agreed.

The Donner crowd who accept the Williams theme and nothing else are going to slam Zimmer regardless. So I feel a bit of, I don't know, sympathy on Zimmer's side here. Judging things by saying "he didn't make something as memorable as Williams thus he failed" is silly, frankly. His job is to capture the vibe of this 2013 movie. If he does so, the job will have been successful. So I say good luck to him. I wish him all the best, genuinely so. This new sound should've happened in 06.

The thing that gets me is that Superman has had other hero themes. Lois & Clark had a romantic one, STAS had that almost throwback/1940's tune and Smallville had a GREAT hero theme that was majestic and powerful. The Williams main title wouldn't have suited any of those shows. Superman is and can be something other than the Williams theme. As good as the entire Williams score is, it's limiting to say that Superman can only be that. It's like saying Batman can only be scored by Elfman when Schumacher, Nolan and other things prove otherwise.

Yes but the final episode of Smallville used the Williams theme. They obviously felt there is just one kind of music to use in that final sequence. Otherwise why not just make their own? They understood the timelessness of that theme and the excitement it would provoke hearing it again. Why be ashamed of using it?

It may please you to know (given our disagreements on this subject) that I DID enjoy the music Zimmer has "apparently" written used in the new trailer. Nobody answered my question however: is this the real official music?

As for those other themes you mentioned I know them all (fans always do). But they are all unmemorable compared to the sound of Williams theme. The other pieces of music are themes only a fan could love. Not a general audience. In fact some non fans are wondering already on comment bars where the heck the old movie music is lol

Zimmer's battle can never be won let's face it. But if this music really is the new theme he's done alright. John Williams won't have trouble sleeping either so everyone's happy (unless there are people who are war winning fanboys lol). Part of my enjoyment of the new trailer was that it clearly won't "destroy" the Reeve pictures in whatever capacity and hasn't set out to do so on a conscious level. So I can go and enjoy it for what it provides. Full house!

This doesn't have anything to do with the new film, but I found this six year-old Live Journal entry by Paul Dini where he gives a so-so review for Superman Returns, while expressing his disappointment that it took too much inspiration from the old Reeve films. And judging by these words, Dini seemed very fed up of the Reeve versions:

Yeah, I saw the new SUPERMAN movie.

Eh, it was okay.

Considering the train wreck it could have been it was outstanding, but as it was, to me at least, it was just okay.

Given Superman's history in comics, movies, radio, television and a dozen other places, I was disappointed that the filmmakers looked only as far as the two movies made in the late 70's for their inspiration. But Superman, both as a character and as an entire concept, is much richer than those films. Clark the bumbler, the barely developed Daily Planet staff (besides Lois), the Superman/Clark/Lois triangle, goddamn wacky Lex and his daffy henchmoll du jour, ugh. Enough. You clowns are spending, when all is said and done, 300 million dollars. Show me something I can't get at the video rental store.

Then again, I saw it for free, so what right do I have to complain?
http://kingofbreakfast.livejournal.com/31840.html

I wonder how he'll react to Man of Steel, assuming he'll ever bother with it at all?

Yikes. Haven't heard Dini with an attitude problem before. Kinda upsetting given my admiration for his work. I don't think it's his place to openly criticize. I'm sure there is plenty Nolan could express his dislike for in older Batman movies but professionally and respectfully never has. If I'm honest I think the "Dini versions" have been done to death too. He's right when he asks what right does he to complain, his own concepts, which I love as much as Reeve, are now as lengthy and old as any Reeve moment. The whole DC Animated Universe thing that's been going for years and years now. Perhaps this is the reason Bruce Timm recently stepped down from Warner's. It's all been done to death maybe it's time to change all that too sad as that will be.

Although Returns is no masterpiece I felt the filmmakers did at least try newer things: Clark's "son" for instance. While I wasn't keen on him assuming his father's mantle (as that hospital scene seemed to suggest) that concept was a genuine surprise revelation to me when I first saw the movie. They clearly would have developed it further in that sequel we'll never have. I think it would have been an interesting and personal (and human) challenge for Superman to deal with becoming a father. After several films having his life shaped by his own father's suddenly he's in that role. For me it could have been a nice "full circle" type thing. They were attempting to build something new (however controversial) for the future and using the Donner originals meantime as a jumping on point.

Er well, okay then lol

I really can't recall Superman beating the crap out of humans. I get the villains side of that they deserve a kicking (provided they can actually SURVIVE it). Unless your referring to the early early comics of Siegal and Shuster where he's beating on corrupt mine owners? They toned it all down I guess later on. Frankly if Superman went around "beating the crap out of anyone" less than himself he'd look a genuine total jerk than he already is in the eyes of non Superman fans lol I think it's on "The Mythology of Superman" documentary where Greek God theorists and such stated it's in keeping with classic mythology of Superman not wishing harm and using his powers respectably on the ideals and education of his human parents upbringing. So I really don't see how the movies violated that and there are plenty of comics (before and after the movie) where Superman defeats his enemies without deliberately attempting to "murder" them lol For instance he snaps the barrel of a gunman's machine gun in an issue of the "Man Of Steel" miniseries and nothing much else.

As for him spinning people around (ala General Zod) first of all they did that cos it's entertaingly funny and still is lol Secondly as I said it made a change from seeing him punch/punch/punch/punch all the time. Otherwise then you just have "Rocky" in a red cape.

Also if Superman was not a "hippie pacifist" as you claim the plot of say Superman IV would be extremely shorter than it already alas is. He'd be launching those nukes on behalf of the Ruskies for thrills dude lol Aren't all superheroes pacifists at heart??? Otherwise what the heck are they standing up to fight for? But let's keep this forum on the subject matter of the new film trailer so as not to cause confusion further.

-- Human

-- Not Human

Human or not, Superman will beat your ass.

I admire your courage in merely going out there on the net, swiping some images and videos and wrapping it all up with a well placed last line to win the argument lol Exactly the response I expected friend. Those are fairly small examples I must say. Now the non-human stuff is what I was telling you about. No probs with Superman hurling a character like Bizarro through a wall or any other super powered foe. If he did that sort of thing to the Prankster or the Toyman however....

As for the videos they are not the comics. Furthermore they are from modern cartoon and television shows that have attempted their own Batman-like takes of modernising Superman. We're also talking about nearly 70 or so years of previous comics here buddy (especially in relation to the Reeve movies of the 70's). Some stuff some modern show did a few years ago hardly counts as true canon in comparison to decades of previously established characterization. In Smallville's defence Clark seems to be battling a super powered enemy so throwing a few super punches is acceptable indeed there.

Now the comics images you selected looks like 60's/70's Superman images. Note the sound effect on the first one: "Tapp". Superman is not exactly delivering an uppercut here Mohammed Ali would be proud of. He's clearly limiting his strength so the guy will not end up in a coffin, something he's done plenty of. He even rolls from a punch delivered by Batman in "A Death in the Family" for Batman's well being. I think the other two sound effects are a tad overzealous on the letterer's part: bonk and thud. I'm assuming though their slightly powerful enough to knock these guys out in a harmless manner.

Saw this comparison thingy:

That is quite depressing seeing that. In all due respect I don't wanna nitpick these type of things. I'm just happy their making a new Superman film in whatever form. All writers say steal from the best anyway lol Nothing really is entirely original. Actually on seeing the trailer myself, while I liked it, there was an awful lot of Reeve-like Superman in it. Scenes with the same intent, just different dialogue, actors e.c.t