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#11
Other DC Films & TV / Re: Wonder Woman (2017)
Thu, 23 Mar 2017, 14:17
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Tue, 21 Mar  2017, 13:28
These are fantasy films

Yes, fantasy, I think people forget that.
#12
Don't care if they replace him, Batman as a character can go through multiple actors like he has done in the past.  Also, they replaced the actor for the Incredible Hulk and nobody cried that that was the end of the MCU (that I know of).
#13
Other DC Films & TV / Re: Wonder Woman (2017)
Fri, 10 Mar 2017, 12:23
I didn't forget the 2009 animated movie, which I think is the best WW movie so far.  The upcoming movie is actually the third WW movie, if you count the tv pilot for the 70s show as well.  I won't count the Kathy Lee Crosby version, as that has little to do with the character.

I think the new movie will be good, but I'm a DCEU fan and I liked BvS and SS.
#14
The Batman (2022) / Re: Rogues Gallery
Thu, 9 Mar 2017, 02:18
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Wed,  8 Mar  2017, 12:01
It could show that Croc as one of the many good guys who no longer stayed that way, as Bruce had alluded to while justifying his plan in destroying Superman to Alfred during BvS.

I figured that as a reference to Two-Face aka Harvey Dent.  The only other famous Batman ally who turned evil is Jason Todd, but I don't think that happens yet in this new timeline.
#15
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Sat,  4 Mar  2017, 15:40
I thought of another couple of new similarities to compare Batfleck with Burton, Schumacher and Nolan.


  • Schumacher's Bat and Batfleck both had visions where they encountered a Man-Bat looking creature. However, the difference is the BF moment was a deleted scene and one where it helped Bruce to recover from his temporary amnesia, whereas Batfleck was suffering from a nightmare that showed the audience his deep-rooted psychological horrors.


It's not just in a deleted scene, Man-Bat is in Batman Forever.  Funny how we got two versions of Man-Bat but the character will probably never appear in a film.
#16
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Fri,  3 Mar  2017, 23:31
Quote from: OutRiddled on Fri,  3 Mar  2017, 21:39
I disagree with that.  Keaton was never tempted to retire, he flat out states "This is how it is".

He says that in Batman 89, but in Batman Returns he wanted to retire and settle down with Selina. He unmasks himself right in front of Max Shreck, having previously announced his intent to send Shreck to prison. There was no going back after that. Batman's secret identity was compromised, and Shreck would have told everyone in prison it was Bruce Wayne beneath the cowl. But by that point Bruce didn't care. He just wanted to be with Selina. Forsaking his duel identity was his way of demonstrating his commitment to her and setting an example he hoped she'd follow.

That's a good point, but I saw it as a romantic gesture not that he was giving up Batman.  Yes, he did reveal himself to Shreck, but who would believe Shreck anyway?

QuoteSimilarly Kilmer's Batman also wanted to quit and settle down with Chase. He tells Dick as much during the scene where he says "So from this day on, Batman is no more [...] Chase is coming to dinner. I'm going to tell her everything." Until then, Bruce had been driven by guilt stemming from repressed memories of his father's journal. But he'd failed to achieve catharsis through his crusade as Batman and had instead become locked in a cycle of violence; each night replacing the face of his parents' killer with a never-ending gallery of substitutes. He believed he could free himself from that cycle, from his repressed memories and the guilt attached to them, through Chase's help. It was only after he confronted those memories that he became liberated from his guilt and the compulsion to fight crime. And from then on out he chose to continue being batman as a matter of his own volition. But at one point, he definitely intended to discard the cowl and settle down with Chase.

Chase wasn't the cause of him wanting to give up Batman, like you said, he wanted to be free of the guilt "The innocent aren't faceless anymore".  Chase just helped bring him out of it.
#17
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Wed, 12 Nov  2014, 09:25


  • All three versions were tempted to retire by the love of their lives - Selina Kyle, Chase Meridian, and Rachel Dawes.

I disagree with that.  Keaton was never tempted to retire, he flat out states "This is how it is".  And Kilmer didn't retire because of Chase Meridian, I forget the actual reason why but it's there somewhere in the deleted scenes.

#18
I did not like this one, as a huge fan of the 60s show, this was more like Batman:  The Brave and the Bold.  It works in live action, but as a cartoon it's just a cartoon.  Part of the fun is watching the actors, and this is taken away in animation.  And it's just not the same without Cesar Romero, Burgess Meredith, etc, and the surviving actors sound way too old.  It also doesn't have the spirit of the 1960s like the tv show did.
#19
Other DC Films & TV / Re: Wonder Woman (2017)
Fri, 3 Mar 2017, 04:41
I had no problem at all with that scene.  It was just a nice little preview of what's to come in Justice League.  I don't see how it's worse than the post-credit scene in Iron Man (tbh I found that scene stupid).
#20
My ranking:

Batman '89 - very nightmarish, and the actor they got to play Jack Napier was perfect with that creepy smile
BvS - the most cinematic and I love the shot of the pearls getting caught up in the gun
Begins - not a bad scene but it's kind of glossed over, and Joe Chill is portrayed more sympathetic which was an odd choice
Forever - I like the killer being in the shadows and the general dark atmosphere of that scene, but it's much too brief and more of a flashback

Have not seen Gotham as I do not even watch that show.