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Title: the brave and the bold?
Post by: Catwoman on Sun, 14 Jun 2009, 00:16
hi i saw an episode of this yesterday morning. what is it? i had never heard of it.
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Post by: Dark Knight Detective on Sun, 14 Jun 2009, 00:25
Here's info on the show:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_Face_Gang
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 14 Jun 2009, 01:35
It's no B:TAS, but I like the show for what it is.
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Post by: Dark Knight Detective on Sun, 14 Jun 2009, 01:40
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 14 Jun  2009, 01:35
It's no B:TAS, but I like the show for what it is.

Yes indeed.

It may be light-hearted at times, but it has its dark moments, & best of all, it doesn't make Batman look like a joke.

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Post by: DarkVengeance on Tue, 16 Jun 2009, 03:28
How could you not of heard of it? The news about it started right around this time last year jeesh, some people just dont keep up on their batman news. :o
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Post by: Dark Knight Detective on Tue, 16 Jun 2009, 09:33
^It's better late... than never!
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Post by: greggbray on Tue, 27 Jul 2010, 02:10
I actually quite enjoy it.  It amps up some of the larger dcu mythology, and completely leaves reality most of the time.

Several notable episodes stand out, among them is 'Chill of the Night,' which is a beautiful telling of the 1950s expansion of Batman's origin from the comics--with a bit of a metaphysical twist thanks to The Phantom Stranger and The Spectre.  Great vocal cameos from Kevin Conroy, Julie Newmar, and Adam West as Thomas Wayne. :)

Anyone catch this eppy?
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Post by: Tarzan1941 on Tue, 27 Jul 2010, 12:37
Just thought you should all be made aware of this cool new toy!  Hot Wheels has just released a Batman The Brave and The Bold Batmobile.  It's easier to track it down by it's series number which is 49 since the package doesn't state that it is from The Brave and The Bold for some odd reason.  So good luck and happy hunting!  Oh how I hope this one is a helluva lot easier to track down than the Hot Wheels Ghostbusters Ecto-1.

(https://www.batman-online.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hollywood-diecast.com%2FHW%2520brave%2520bold%2520batmobile.JPG&hash=53639e29021bd81efde08665fdcc608302d8878b)
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Post by: gordonblu on Tue, 27 Jul 2010, 16:25
I work at a closeout store and we have had two ECTO-1's come through! If I had known, i would have snapped one up.
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Post by: Tarzan1941 on Tue, 27 Jul 2010, 23:49
Quote from: gordonblu on Tue, 27 Jul  2010, 16:25
I work at a closeout store and we have had two ECTO-1's come through! If I had known, i would have snapped one up.

If you happen to see one or two come back in, I say grab them both!  I have no clue as to how many are in a case, but from what I can tell, not many.  I got my first one from a guy I know at a flea market and the second one I found in one of those large dump bins that Wal-Mart uses from time to time for Hot Wheels overflow.  I opened the second one and is now resting with a Batmobile and a Supermobile.

Also a few other things to keep an eye out for are the Hot Wheels Batmobile Monster Truck 2 pack which packages a Batmobile monster truck and a 1989 Batmobile (it's the same one from the 2004 release, except this one has a Bat-symbol on the canopy.  The second thing is the Hot Wheels Nolan Batmobile Custom Motors.  It's kinda neat since you get mix and match new parts and build your own Batmobile.  And finally Hot Wheels added the Nolan Batmobile to their Color Shifters line.  Just dunk it in water and it changes from the camo paint scheme to an all black!  Also don't forget to stop in your local Toys R Us and see if you're luck enough to find some of the Hot Wheels Batman 1/50 scale vehicles.  So far they have the 1989 Batmobile, the Bat-Wing, the Bat-Missile and The Bat-Skiboat out, along with the 1966 Batmobile, 1966 Batcycle, 1966 Batboat, the Batmobile from Superfriends, the Animated Series Batmobile and both the camo and black Nolan Batmobiles.  With more to come later on down the road.  It's hit or miss a lot of the times when you stop in, and yes, a bit pricey at $9+ dollars a car, but they are oh so cool and oh so worth it!

So with The Brave and The Bold and all these other fine cars, us toy collectors should be happy for awhile!

Here is a pic of Ecto-1 if anyone is interested:
(https://www.batman-online.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hollywood-diecast.com%2Fghostbusters%2520HW%252025%2520ecto-1.JPG&hash=2c3c44a75b006ba743c662788f74de5d50220e01)

Monster Truck 2 Pack:
(https://www.batman-online.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi285.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fll61%2Ftarzan1941%2F51G8Bosj3EL_SS500_.jpg&hash=a1869361f43987ab5021c109bf35708b52db7bc0)

Batmobile Custom Motors:
(https://www.batman-online.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hollywood-diecast.com%2FHW%2520batmobile%2520starter%2520set%2520front.JPG&hash=540df31eff5606c919d24f0ea1a3920e92d7fa2b)
(https://www.batman-online.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hollywood-diecast.com%2FHW%2520batmobile%2520starter%2520set%2520back.JPG&hash=3d6808cd20a2bcc228cfa1dab0bd01117c617017)

Batmobile Color Shifter:
(https://www.batman-online.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hollywood-diecast.com%2FBatmanColorShifter2.jpg&hash=c11c2e58804d98cabffe1da3be985d0e9d62d0f1)

And I know a link like this has been posted here, but it's worth another look.
Hot Wheels Batman 1/50 series:
http://www.hotwheelscollectors.com/news/news.aspx?news_id=969 (http://www.hotwheelscollectors.com/news/news.aspx?news_id=969)


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Post by: gordonblu on Wed, 28 Jul 2010, 23:10
There was usually one per shipper.
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Post by: greggbray on Sat, 31 Jul 2010, 14:36
Great toys!

Brave and the Bold is a pretty good program after all.  I love how much of Batman's untapped history it celebrates by throwing any sense of realism to the wind.

With that said, the stand out episode was 'Chill of the Night,' an adaptation of the 1950s expanded origin of Batman--with Chill acting as a willing hitman as opposed to a simple mugger.   Also loved the metaphysical angle: the faustian wager between Phantom Stranger and Spectre!  Great stuff! :)
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Post by: phantom stranger on Sun, 1 Aug 2010, 19:55
Gregg, your post inspired me to watch the Chill episode. That's the first time I've been able to watch a whole episode of Brave and the Bold. I think you can tell who I was rooting for...
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Post by: phantom stranger on Mon, 22 Aug 2011, 00:22
And one year later...

I'm actually rather enjoying the show. The one with Superman is really entertaining.
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Post by: Paul (ral) on Mon, 22 Aug 2011, 09:31
Quote from: phantom stranger on Mon, 22 Aug  2011, 00:22
And one year later...

I'm actually rather enjoying the show. The one with Superman is really entertaining.

Agreed. The Superman episode I saw (not sure if there are more) had lots of little nods to Superman: The Movie.

TBATB is a great cartoon. One not to be taken seriously, but it does suprise in that it can be serious at times (ie. it doesn't dodge the death of characters). I will admit that it is better if you have a kid to watch it with, but there are lots of references to other interpretations to keep the most hardcore Batman fans entertained.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Mon, 22 Aug 2011, 12:39
^ Yep. TBATB is a smart program that has quite a bit going on under the surface.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 20 Nov 2011, 03:59
Well, after 65 episodes the show is over.

I'm sad to see it go. Hopefully they give the seasons a proper release now. In Blu-ray preferably.
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Post by: phantom stranger on Sun, 20 Nov 2011, 04:52
65 episodes is a solid run for an animated series. And it's the magic number for syndication so it seems like a lot of cartoons end at that number.

Personally, I'd like to see another dark Batman cartoon but my guess is that we're only going to get that in Young Justice and the direct-to-dvd movies. There is a new Batman cartoon coming out in 2013 but it's probably going to be a lot like the Green Lantern cartoon.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Wed, 27 Mar 2013, 04:50
Just started watching the show. Finished Day of the Dark Knight. As others have said (years ago), the lack of realism works to the show's benefit. I enjoy the zany, over-the-top approach with the characters. Particularly looking forward to subsequent seasons. I've already seen the Superman episode and if this same crew were to make a Superman series along the same lines as that episode, I'd be a happy camper.

Between some Adam West stuff I've watched lately, the Schumacherverse and now this, I'm really developing a taste for the lighter side of Batman.
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Post by: DocLathropBrown on Wed, 27 Mar 2013, 05:42
Batman works great as a character that's a straight-up adventurer. I love Batman in both flavors!
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Wed, 27 Mar 2013, 23:20
I'm delighted to hear you're getting into the show, colors. It doesn't get nearly enough support from Batman fans. Many didn't even give it a chance when it first started. Instead they just complained that it wasn't dark enough and that Conroy and Hamill weren't reprising their roles from Batman: The Animated Series. But that was the beauty of it. Everyone trashed The Batman (2004) for being an inferior version of B:TAS, but The Brave and the Bold wasn't trying to compete with the darker Batman shows. It was doing something we hadn't seen before. And it did it really well.

If you look it up on sites like the IMDb you'll see a dispiritingly high number of comments from people saying they're glad the show's been cancelled. Why? If they didn't watch it anyway, what harm was it doing? It's not like it was the only Batman available. There's been a steady supply of dark Batman animated movies, the Nolan trilogy and the Arkham games to tide people over. So why would anyone take pleasure from knowing a show they didn't even watch was cancelled? I find that really sad.

A part of me wants to attempt a massive episode-by-episode comic analysis of this series, but I know I'll never be able to finish it. There's an insanely high number of things adapted from the comics in each episode. Some of them are really obscure. In the prologue to 'Emperor Joker!' they even adapted the infamous 'The Rainbow Batman' from Detective Comics #241 (March 1957). The first few lines of dialogue were taken verbatim from the cover, right down to Robin describing the Batsuit as red, even though it's clearly pink. The explanation the TV show writers came up with for why Batman was wearing the multicoloured suits was so much better than the payoff in the original comic.
 
(https://s9.postimg.org/jbsa23sjz/rainbowbatman_zpsf6cac160.jpg_original.jpg)

It wasn't just the old comics they were referencing either. I remember being quite shocked when they featured Damian Wayne, Professor Pyg, Mr Toad and Pink Flamingo. And this was smack in the middle of Grant Morrison's run when these characters had only recently been introduced. The writers were clearly on the ball with what was going on in the latest comics. Incidentally, Grant Morrison himself is a big fan of the show and has spoken highly of it in several interviews.

Credit has to be given to the voice actors too. Nika Futterman's Catwoman sounds exactly like Julie Newmar (she used the same voice for Asaaj Ventress in Clone Wars). And Diedrich Bader is pitch perfect as Batman. He uses a deep, heroic voice like Conroy's, but with an added note of irony that works equally well for both the comedic and serious moments. I'd definitely rank Bader amongst my top five favourite Batman actors, along with West, Conroy, Keaton and Greenwood. West himself guest starred in a number of episodes too.

There are too many great episodes to highlight individually, but I'll briefly comment on a couple of my favourites. 'Requiem for a Scarlet Speedster!' is my favourite adaptation of The Flash comics outside the nineties TV show. And they even got John Wesley Shipp to play Professor Zoom! The final fight scene between him and the Flash is one of the standout action set pieces from the entire series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p2A5yLvaSo

'Chill of the Night!' is a great adaptation of the Pre-Crisis Batman's origin as depicted in Batman #47 (June 1948) and The Untold Legend of the Batman (1980). And I'm a big fan of the Metal Men, so it was a real treat to see them take centre stage in a number of episodes.

I've also got to give this show credit for having the balls to kill off several DC superheroes. I won't say which ones, because I don't want to spoil it for people who haven't seen it yet. But offhand, I can recall at least three episodes where the hero/heroes Batman teams up with get killed.

I've occasionally bought issues of the tie-in comic when I've seen it in shops. It's clearly geared towards young kids, but that's a good thing. It reminds me of the Batman: The Animated Series comics I used to collect when I was in primary school. Each of those would include a secondary story featuring another DC superhero, as well as a poster and character profiles detailing some of that hero's best enemies. That was how I first learned about the wider DC universe as a kid. And the Batman: The Brave and the Bold comic offers the same experience to today's children.

Then there was the excellent video game for the Nintendo Wii and DS. It was a charming old school side-scroller with two player co-op and a cell shaded visual style reminiscent of the TV show. It was also nice to see Batman: The Brave and the Bold toys and fancy dress costumes for kids on display in stores. Children love Batman, but most contemporary Batman products – the comics, the Nolan trilogy, the DC animated movies, and the Arkham games – aren't really suitable for them. Batman: The Brave and the Bold and Lego Batman offered a nice family friendly alternative to those things.

But alas, the haters won out. The show was cancelled. And now there's this new darker series, Beware the Batman, looming on the horizon. There have been quite a few sad moments in the history of Batman cartoons. Mask of the Phantasm has a powerfully downbeat ending. And Jason Todd's "This is the best day of my life" line from Under the Red Hood tugs at the heartstrings. But for me, the single saddest moment in all of Batman animation is the final scene of 'Mitefall!', the last ever episode of Batman: The Brave and the Bold. The plot of that episode mirrors real life, with Bat-Mite trying to get the show cancelled to make way for a darker Batman TV show. And in the end he succeeds. In the final scene Batman breaks the fourth wall by turning to the camera and saying goodbye to all the children watching the show. For fans of the series, it's heartbreaking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvi1bBBcAyc

I wish we could've gotten some interviews with the cast back when the show was on the air. I've heard James Arnold Taylor (Green Arrow, Guy Gardner) responds to fan mail through his official site and even occasionally posts on the IMDb. We might have stood a chance of getting an interview with him and some of the other cast members, but it just never occurred to me at the time.

QuoteBatman works great as a character that's a straight-up adventurer. I love Batman in both flavors!

Quoted for truth! I love both the dark and light versions of Batman and every variant in between. But I must admit, while I occasionally get fatigued with the unremittingly bleak Batman stories, I never grow tired of the lighter adventures. Maybe I'm growing softer with age.

QuoteI've already seen the Superman episode and if this same crew were to make a Superman series along the same lines as that episode, I'd be a happy camper.

A Superman show in the same style would have been amazing. I'm looking forward to Beware the Batman and I'm going to give it a fair chance, but I honestly would have preferred more B:TBATB and a Superman spin off. Still, at least B:TBATB went out on a high note. And we got three great seasons, which is the same amount as the Adam West show.
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Post by: BatmAngelus on Thu, 28 Mar 2013, 02:05
I've only seen three episodes- Chill of the Night, Knights of Tomorrow, and Battle of the Superheroes (with Superman)  All excellent, Chill of the Night in particular since I also grew up with The Untold Legend of the Batman and they finally were able to plug Adam West into playing Thomas Wayne!  I regret that I didn't catch more of the show when it was on, but luckily the show's hitting Netflix Instant soon and I'll be able to catch more and discuss it further here.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 28 Mar 2013, 11:51
I'll look forward to talking about this show in more depth in the future. I watched the first half of season 1 when it first aired, but then I didn't keep up with it. I occasionally read the tie-in comics and played the videogame, but I didn't watch the show itself on a regular basis. Luckily they've started repeating it on Saturday and Sunday mornings over here in the UK, so I've been following it diligently all year. I haven't seen absolutely every episode yet, but I have seen most of them. And it's nice knowing there are still a few episodes I've yet to watch.

It might be worth having separate threads for individual episodes since there's so much to talk about with each one. Reviews, guest stars, references to the comics, references to the other Batman TV shows and movies (for a connection to the Burton films, just look who did the voice of Bat-Mite). I know nobody will agree with me on this, but I honestly think this show is up there with Batman (1966-68) and Batman: The Animated Series in quality. It's that good.

Now if Warner Bros would just release a complete DVD set...
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Thu, 28 Mar 2013, 12:00
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 28 Mar  2013, 11:51I know nobody will agree with me on this, but I honestly think this show is up there with Batman (1966-68) and Batman: The Animated Series in quality. It's that good.
I'm happy to disappoint you. Based on what I've seen... yeah, I could see that. I'm not quite ready to sign on yet because I want to watch some more episodes. But if the remaining episodes are "only" of the same quality as those I've watched up to now, don't be too surprised when I come back to officially agree with you.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 28 Mar 2013, 14:43
QuoteI'm happy to disappoint you. Based on what I've seen... yeah, I could see that. I'm not quite ready to sign on yet because I want to watch some more episodes. But if the remaining episodes are "only" of the same quality as those I've watched up to now, don't be too surprised when I come back to officially agree with you.

Good man! Not to sound elitist, but I do find it quite telling that you, BatmAngelus and myself all like the show, and we're all old school comic fans. I'm not saying casual fans won't like it too, but I'm pretty sure having some knowledge of the character's history helps us appreciate it on a deeper level. I also strongly suspect the most ardent haters of the show are neophytes who jumped on the bandwagon when Batman Begins came out and think that that's the only legitimate interpretation of the character.
Title: the brave and the bold?
Post by: Paul (ral) on Thu, 28 Mar 2013, 15:29
I watch the show on a near daily basis still.
In the UK it's on Channel 5 on Sat and Sun mornings and is always on Cartoon Network. Usually it's a repeat of some sort so there are quite a few I haven't seen.

I think 65 episodes is a reasonable run. The show was a front runner in its approach and given the retrospective content I think they covered a lot of bases very well.

I don't usually hold WB in high regard when it comes to film licensing tie-ins, but the BATB stuff was done very well. Lots a great figures, cars and a magazine that is still published here in the UK...we get it in this house.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Thu, 28 Mar 2013, 20:42
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 28 Mar  2013, 14:43Good man! Not to sound elitist, but I do find it quite telling that you, BatmAngelus and myself all like the show, and we're all old school comic fans. I'm not saying casual fans won't like it too, but I'm pretty sure having some knowledge of the character's history helps us appreciate it on a deeper level. I also strongly suspect the most ardent haters of the show are neophytes who jumped on the bandwagon when Batman Begins came out and think that that's the only legitimate interpretation of the character.
Although I haven't read as much as you and BatmAngelus, I understand what you mean. And let's face it, there's a limit to how nice you can be in saying "I know more about this subject than you do. Your opinion is not worth my time to consider". There's a school of thought out there that says all opinions are equal; I have never believed that.
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Fri, 29 Mar 2013, 03:44
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Wed, 27 Mar  2013, 23:20
If you look it up on sites like the IMDb you'll see a dispiritingly high number of comments from people saying they're glad the show's been cancelled.

IMDb is not surprising, going on a site like that is a lost cause if you want an engaging and thoughtful discussion. It's a hotbed of the worst kind of fanboys you'll ever likely to find.

As for Brave and the Bold, it may not suit my tastes and I know it's suitable for a more younger audience, but I can still appreciate it for what it is. I'd say the best episode I've seen so far is Legends of the Dark Mite.

I also like the what Bat-Mite says to the crowd of fanboys: "Batman's rich history allows him to be interpreted in a multitude of ways. To be sure, this is a lighter incarnation, but it's certainly no less valid and true to the character's roots than the tortured avenger crying out for mommy and daddy."

Oh yeah, I liked how they took the chance to poke fun of Schumacher's batsuit as being "too icky":  8)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHo1SVcYB_Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHo1SVcYB_Y)
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Fri, 29 Mar 2013, 07:04
Just finished 1.18- The Color of Revenge. I dig that Robin wears the Earth-2 outfit here. It works for me on a lot of levels. Maybe I'm subjecting all this to a level of scrutiny it just wasn't designed to stand up to but Robin as presented here is uncomfortable continuing as Batman's sidekick... but, unlike the comics, his ambition to grow up and become his own person doesn't come at the expense of rejecting his past partnership with Batman (which, let's face it, is what "Nightwing" is). He's perfectly content with being Robin. It's being perceived as Batman's appendage that bothers him. It's fine with him to grow up and leave the pixie boots behind but he's not ready to abandon his upbringing.

The crux of the issue is that Batman isn't completely willing to accept Robin on his own terms, hence sending him after Crazy Quilt's henchmen, making him ride in the sidecar, etc. In other words, Robin is justified in feeling like Batman infantiles him.

Batman is legitimately in the wrong.

No, that doesn't excuse Robin always having a chip on his shoulder about all things Batman... but he's not wrong to feel the way he does. It's rare to see a fallible Batman in this day and age so I liked seeing some of his foibles here.

Sidenote- As far as line style is concerned, am I the only one who feels like TBATB is sort of a combination of Dick Sprang and Bruce Timm?
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 30 Mar 2013, 00:50
After BTAS, this is it. I've pretty much come to that conclusion. It pays tribute to the whole history and has a bunch of fun while doing so. It was refreshing to see Batman as a cartoon character in a cartoon, if that makes sense. But Batman still behaves and thinks like Batman. The show was uplifting and made me feel good about the character. Adventure is the key word. It's a shame it wasn't renewed for another season - but what we have is tight high quality.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Sun, 31 Mar 2013, 05:20
Coming back to this...

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 28 Mar  2013, 11:51It might be worth having separate threads for individual episodes since there's so much to talk about with each one. Reviews, guest stars, references to the comics, references to the other Batman TV shows and movies (for a connection to the Burton films, just look who did the voice of Bat-Mite).
As I've hashed through episodes, I've seen nods aplenty to comics and other media. Listing the references on a per-episode basis might be a huge project but, starting now, I'll try to keep a journal of what I notice. Fair warning though- as far as comics go, I've got tons more familiarity with Superman so there may be stuff that goes by me.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 28 Mar  2013, 11:51I know nobody will agree with me on this, but I honestly think this show is up there with Batman (1966-68) and Batman: The Animated Series in quality. It's that good.
Let's be controversial then.

As far as exploring Batman's character, BTAS is hard to beat. It's got tons of atmosphere too. It's Paul Dini, Bruce Timm and others likely in their prime. There probably weren't enough episodes to capture their full creative potential. It's hard now to overstate what a game changer this sucker was back when it first came out because it opened up the flood gates of what animated television could be. It is the equivalent of the Beatles in that regard.

But in terms of the depiction of the DCU I've always wanted to see but never knew how to ask for... y'know, I think TBATB is a lot more in line with my sensibilities. It's fun, has a primarily Silver Age influence but nothing in it denigrates the characters. It celebrates a specific, though no less valid, aspect of the entire DCU canon and it does it in a way that simply has no peer, as far as I'm concerned.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 28 Mar  2013, 11:51Now if Warner Bros would just release a complete DVD set...
Yes, there is that to consider.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Tue, 2 Apr 2013, 06:34
As much as I like The Brave & The Bold, the Kamandi stuff is just unbearable. Not a single crap is given by me that Kamandi was created by Jack Kirby. All that does is once again prove to me how overrated the guy was.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Tue, 2 Apr 2013, 12:34
So. Sooooooooooooooo. I mean, like, wtf happened to Red Tornado? Motherfvcker entered the witness protection program or something in the middle of the first season and hasn't been seen since. What gives?
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Tue, 2 Apr 2013, 14:11
^
Have you seen that episode where Red Tornado built his own son, who later turned on him for not agreeing to destroy the human race? This show is normally a happy one for the kids, but that one episode was heartbreaking.  :-[
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Post by: Catwoman on Tue, 2 Apr 2013, 20:11
i only got to see a few epis. about all i remember is aquaman singing something like "man or superman!" lol.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Tue, 2 Apr 2013, 20:14
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Tue,  2 Apr  2013, 14:11^
Have you seen that episode where Red Tornado built his own son, who later turned on him for not agreeing to destroy the human race? This show is normally a happy one for the kids, but that one episode was heartbreaking.  :-[
Yeah, no kidding, that one was heavy.

Now that I've finished off the series, my favorite is 02.01- Death Race To Oblivion! It's the most unapologetically Silver Age episode I can think of. Which reminds me, people have described the show as "camp". Talk about an abused word these days. The Brave & The Bold is many things but it is not "camp". But the hard on it has for all things Silver Age... well, to me this would be definitive except that the show wasn't specifically focused on Batman. So BTAS remains top dog (for now anyway) because TBATB is really more of a DCU adaptation than specifically a Batman adaptation. At least in my opinion.

On the other hand, I place TBATB above JL/JLU. It just is more in line with my sensibilities of what these characters should be.
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Post by: Travesty on Wed, 3 Apr 2013, 19:05
Brave and the Bold, along with Batman Beyond, got added to Netflix. :)
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Post by: BatmAngelus on Sun, 7 Apr 2013, 20:33
Been watching a lot more this weekend.  Really loving the show, so far, and wish Netflix had more than the first one and a half seasons. 

Other than Chill of the Night, my other favorite so far has to be Game Over for Owlman in how they played around with the Batman-Joker dynamic.  Hilarious, fun, and still feeling true to the characters.  Never thought I'd see the day where Joker actually saved an innocent bystander without any malicious plans afterwards, yet it completely worked here.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Mon, 8 Apr 2013, 17:36
QuoteAs much as I like The Brave & The Bold, the Kamandi stuff is just unbearable. Not a single crap is given by me that Kamandi was created by Jack Kirby.

I've never been a big fan of Kamandi in the comics. But it was pretty funny when the Joker blew up his future Earth in 'Joker, the Vile and the Villainous!' (s3e4). I'm assuming Kamandi didn't survive. I'm not quite sure how the Joker did either.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Mon, 8 Apr 2013, 22:57
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Mon,  8 Apr  2013, 17:36I've never been a big fan of Kamandi in the comics. But it was pretty funny when the Joker blew up his future Earth in 'Joker, the Vile and the Villainous!' (s3e4). I'm assuming Kamandi didn't survive. I'm not quite sure how the Joker did either.
Yeah, that was a good bit. Kept expecting that to be undone somehow but it looks like it never was... which is just fine by me. :)
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Fri, 26 Apr 2013, 07:54
I'm halfway finishing the second season, but I must say that Chill of the Night! is not only probably the best episode of the entire show, but one of the best stories ever told on Batman-centric media outside of the comics ever.  :o But who else other than Paul Dini would write something like that - no wonder it felt like I was watching BTAS again.

I loved how dramatic the confrontation between Batman and Joe Chill was, yet Batman decided not to cave in and kill Chill despite the Spectre's protests (voiced by Mark Hamill, of all people).



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Post by: Paul (ral) on Fri, 26 Apr 2013, 10:31
Dini only added the Spectre/Phantom Stranger wager...the rest of the story was in the comics almost panel for panel
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Fri, 26 Apr 2013, 22:04
I love how closely this episode sticks to the original comic. You might expect them to leave certain things out, like Thomas wearing the early Batsuit. But no, they embraced the whole thing and ran with it. And it was a stroke of genius to get Adam West as the voice of Thomas Wayne. It makes up for him not playing the part in Batman 89.

I think this episode also exemplifies the brilliance of Diedrich Bader's vocal performance. He's perfect during the funny scenes in other episodes, but he really nails the serious dramatic moments in this episode too. His was perhaps the most flexible and diverse Batman performance of any actor so far. He could be the light funny Batman, but he could just as easily be the tortured Dark Knight version.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Mon, 29 Apr 2013, 16:18
It occurs to me that this show is probably the only time the Clooney Batman has appeared outside of the 1997 movie and its tie-in products. He appears in the season 1 episode 'Legends of the Dark Mite!' where his nipples stick out about a mile in front of him.

(https://s9.postimg.org/wrfas1lrj/batclooney_zps0a68e2c3.jpg_original.jpg)

Then he appears again in the season 3 episode 'Night of the Batmen!' where he's one of the Batmen from other dimensions who show up at the end. You can see him on the left side of the screen, just beneath the Adam West Batman.

(https://s9.postimg.org/66crwhytr/nightofthebatmen_zps582eab40.jpg_original.jpg)

Has anyone else spotted any more Clooney sightings on the show?
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Post by: Paul (ral) on Mon, 29 Apr 2013, 23:59
Watched Night of the Batmen yesterday. My boy gave out a big chuckle when they all appear at the end...thought it was funny.
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Post by: phantom stranger on Sun, 5 May 2013, 04:29
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Wed, 27 Mar  2013, 23:20

But alas, the haters won out. The show was cancelled. And now there's this new darker series, Beware the Batman, looming on the horizon.

Another great write-up by SN, and I agree with pretty much everything you wrote but...it wasn't cancelled because of the haters. Apparently, there's some rule that no cartoon is able to exceed 65 episodes, no matter how popular it is. It affects a lot of animated series.
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Post by: The16thdoctor on Tue, 7 May 2013, 20:23
Quote from: Travesty on Wed,  3 Apr  2013, 19:05
Brave and the Bold, along with Batman Beyond, got added to Netflix. :)

Now we need the animated series then us nerds can just watch straight through!
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Post by: The16thdoctor on Tue, 7 May 2013, 20:23
When does beware the batman start? I only just heard Abt that one.
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Post by: Paul (ral) on Tue, 7 May 2013, 21:44
It was supposed to be April
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Post by: GBglide on Wed, 8 May 2013, 02:13
Quote from: phantom stranger on Sun,  5 May  2013, 04:29
Apparently, there's some rule that no cartoon is able to exceed 65 episodes, no matter how popular it is. It affects a lot of animated series.

There isn't any rule. Back in the day, 65 episodes was the usual minimum amount if you wanted to sell a series to syndication.
There are many series that go far beyond 65, SpongeBob for example.
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Post by: Catwoman on Fri, 10 May 2013, 02:36
Quote from: Paul (ral) on Tue,  7 May  2013, 21:44
It was supposed to be April

someone forgot to tell cartoon network
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Sat, 25 Jan 2014, 00:01
I've recently begun rewatching the first season of this show and I spotted a Batman '89 reference in the episode 'Deep Cover for Batman!' (s01e12), during the flashback depicting the origin of the heroic Red Hood/Joker from a parallel universe (clearly based on the Earth-3 universe from the comics). After Owlman deliberately hurls him into the vat of chemicals, there's a scene of the Joker sitting in a darkened room, gazing at his reflection in a mirror. It's a full length mirror, but the setup is otherwise very similar to the scene in the film. And like the scene in the film, he starts laughing maniacally and smashes the mirror.

(https://www.batman-online.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwac.450f.edgecastcdn.net%2F80450F%2Fcomicsalliance.com%2Ffiles%2F2011%2F05%2Fbatman07.jpg&hash=5a36e74a63822a72bacaff42b6e96859dfbef355)

(https://s9.postimg.org/t014rvg3j/jokermirror_zpsde8b8bed.png_original.png)

But unlike the Joker in the movie, this one stops laughing and regains his composure. Silver Cyclone comments on the scene, saying that the Joker's psyche was bent but not broken. Hence why he was able to maintain his sanity and become a hero, instead of ending up like the Joker of the prime universe.

I've spotted nods to the Schumacher and Nolan films in this show in the past, but I think this is the first time I've caught a reference to the Burton films. I'll keep an eye out for more.
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Post by: BatmanFurst on Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 19:49
I've just started watching this show on DC Universe and it's really good. As far as Batman centric shows are concerned I think I like it better than The Batman,
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 4 May 2023, 11:05
Quote from: BatmanFurst on Sat, 31 Oct  2020, 19:49
I've just started watching this show on DC Universe and it's really good. As far as Batman centric shows are concerned I think I like it better than The Batman,
I like both, but indeed, TBATB is better. I've been binge watching the episodes the past week and it's easily one of the best forms of Batman media in the catalogue. It really gets what makes the character great in an endearing way. Case in point Batman hitting the winning home run in a game of baseball against the villains and their cheating. Never give up, no matter what you're doing. Just love it.