He's one of my favorite villains and yet he's overlooked because he's not a classic. I like him better than Bane, for a start.
At least he appeared in the Arkham Asylum videogame. In my opinion they should use him in the new Batman franchise, they have the means to make ahim look awesome.
Quote from: Edd Grayson on Fri, 19 Jul 2013, 10:05
He's one of my favorite villains and yet he's overlooked because he's not a classic. I like him better than Bane, for a start.
At least he appeared in the Arkham Asylum videogame. In my opinion they should use him in the new Batman franchise, they have the means to make ahim look awesome.
I never cared for Killer Croc to be honest Edd. Although Nolan's staid 'real-world' aesthetic and vision is far from my ideal Batman I still feel Batman works better when going up against villains who are larger than life extensions of credibly real human-beings rather than fantastical monsters like Man-Bat or even OTT mutants like Killer Croc, whose sewer-dwelling origins didn't sit any better with me when they were applied to the Penguin in 'Batman Returns'.
I like fantasy, I like Man-Bat and Killer Croc and Clayface. But Croc most of all.
Quote from: Edd Grayson on Fri, 19 Jul 2013, 10:44
I like fantasy, I like Man-Bat and Killer Croc and Clayface. But Croc most of all.
Yeah, I like those critters a bit too. I enjoy seeing them in other media, namely video games. Put them in a live action film, I say. I judge villains on what story can be told with them, or what they bring out in Batman's personality.
Clayface is solid in BTAS and also pretty good in The Batman. He's a guy you just can't hit with a bat dart and knock out. I like that. He's also got the tragic aspect. Man-Bat has the tragic side, also the obvious statement he makes about Batman. Croc has the urban legend thing.
Clayface could have a movie of his own, if done right.
Back to Croc, do you think he would've fit in Batman Returns instead of Penguin? The whole sewer monster thing is much more appropriate for Croc.
"i threw a rock at him!"
"...it was a big rock. :-["
Quote from: Edd Grayson on Fri, 19 Jul 2013, 12:41Clayface could have a movie of his own, if done right.
Back to Croc, do you think he would've fit in Batman Returns instead of Penguin? The whole sewer monster thing is much more appropriate for Croc.
Running for mayor isn't.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Sun, 21 Jul 2013, 09:46
Quote from: Edd Grayson on Fri, 19 Jul 2013, 12:41Clayface could have a movie of his own, if done right.
Back to Croc, do you think he would've fit in Batman Returns instead of Penguin? The whole sewer monster thing is much more appropriate for Croc.
Running for mayor isn't.
"bad skin is in! vote croc!"
Realism: "That policy is a load of crock. Why would I vote for you?"
Croc didn't have to run for mayor if he was in the movie they adapted that part from the 60's show and it was meant for Penguin anyway.
But hey, why be biased? Croc will get us out of hock! Vote for the Croc ;D
my campaign slogan was better
^ Croc the Vote!
I liked him in the Arkham game but that was just a game, I want him in a movie.
The issue is it's hard to give a character like that humanity. He's a good character for games and comics but has he even been in a popular cartoon let alone live action? I guess stranger things have happened but I think his place may have been in one of those old school monster films.
Quote from: riddler on Tue, 30 Jul 2013, 01:46The issue is it's hard to give a character like that humanity. He's a good character for games and comics but has he even been in a popular cartoon let alone live action? I guess stranger things have happened but I think his place may have been in one of those old school monster films.
The same argument could've been made about Ra's al-Ghul... and in some ways is still valid. Ditto Scarecrow.
The thing about Killer Croc is that he seems to lack humanity because humanity has rejected him... However I must point out that in many ways he has more humanity than most do... As we've seen in the comics and other media, he does deep down have a good heart... He's cared for a child like his own... Attempted to defend and protect a woman he thought was being abused... And he's experienced grief over the loss of the ones he's cared for... The truth behind Killer Croc is that he's not to blame for his actions... If Batman and the other citizens of Gotham showed sympathy and offered to help, rather than make him miserable for his looks, then I believe things would be going a lot differently for him...
I think Croc is still very human, and I mean that with all qualities humans have, but he was rejected by society. I don't think he's a very complex character, but great as he is.
Quote from: Killer Croc on Sun, 29 Nov 2015, 21:15The thing about Killer Croc is that he seems to lack humanity because humanity has rejected him... However I must point out that in many ways he has more humanity than most do... As we've seen in the comics and other media, he does deep down have a good heart... He's cared for a child like his own... Attempted to defend and protect a woman he thought was being abused... And he's experienced grief over the loss of the ones he's cared for... The truth behind Killer Croc is that he's not to blame for his actions... If Batman and the other citizens of Gotham showed sympathy and offered to help, rather than make him miserable for his looks, then I believe things would be going a lot differently for him...
His actions are his own. He's responsible for them.
God bless you! God bless everyone!
The world you grow up in is what shapes you... Imagine living your life with everyone running away from you when you simply look their way... Then add people... Even your own mother... Constantly hating you and telling you that you're a freak for something you can't control... Not so easy now, is it?
Quote from: Killer Croc on Mon, 30 Nov 2015, 15:54
The world you grow up in is what shapes you... Imagine living your life with everyone running away from you when you simply look their way... Then add people... Even your own mother... Constantly hating you and telling you that you're a freak for something you can't control... Not so easy now, is it?
Exactly. Which is why I think he would've been great in Penguin's role in Batman Returns, with slight adjustments. ;)
Quote from: Killer Croc on Mon, 30 Nov 2015, 15:54The world you grow up in is what shapes you... Imagine living your life with everyone running away from you when you simply look their way... Then add people... Even your own mother... Constantly hating you and telling you that you're a freak for something you can't control... Not so easy now, is it?
That depends on what I choose to do. But no matter what, what I choose is my responsibility. What my parents do or say doesn't change that.
God bless you! God bless everyone!
It depends on each person, Dagenspear. I don't know what I would do in Croc's situation, but I would probably break down.
You pegged it Edd... It all depends on each person's experience and understanding of who they are... When someone is submitted to a life of trauma, there's really not much room to think positively... Especially when the people surrounding you only provoke your negative feelings with hate and rejection...
I'm not saying he isn't accountable for his actions... What I'm saying is that I empathize with him because I know what he's been through... I've seen his good side and I appreciate who he is for it...
Quote from: Killer Croc on Tue, 1 Dec 2015, 16:10You pegged it Edd... It all depends on each person's experience and understanding of who they are... When someone is submitted to a life of trauma, there's really not much room to think positively... Especially when the people surrounding you only provoke your negative feelings with hate and rejection...
I'm not saying he isn't accountable for his actions... What I'm saying is that I empathize with him because I know what he's been through... I've seen his good side and I appreciate who he is for it...
I thought you said he isn't to blame. I'm very sorry if I misunderstood. Empathizing isn't what I was talking about. A person's experience and understanding doesn't make them not responsible for their choices or not to blame. There's room to do many things like that if you want to and choose to.
God bless you! God bless everyone!
Quote from: Killer Croc on Sun, 29 Nov 2015, 21:15The thing about Killer Croc is that he seems to lack humanity because humanity has rejected him... However I must point out that in many ways he has more humanity than most do... As we've seen in the comics and other media, he does deep down have a good heart... He's cared for a child like his own... Attempted to defend and protect a woman he thought was being abused... And he's experienced grief over the loss of the ones he's cared for... The truth behind Killer Croc is that he's not to blame for his actions... If Batman and the other citizens of Gotham showed sympathy and offered to help, rather than make him miserable for his looks, then I believe things would be going a lot differently for him...
I haven't seen Killer Croc depicted in a truly sympathetic light until this year's Batman: Earth One Vol. 2, where much to Batman's shock, Croc was a harmless outcast who wanted to escape from persecution by the outside world. In fact, he was a complete contrast here to his normal villainous self.
(https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/killer-croc-explains-his-dilemma-1.jpg)
I remember him teaming up with Baby Doll in an episode of The New Batman Adventures and they made a good team as two misfits rejected by society. But Croc always neglected Baby Doll and didn't give her enough attention.
Note to self.... Read Batman: Earth One Vol. 2....
Quote from: Killer Croc on Tue, 8 Dec 2015, 07:07
Note to self.... Read Batman: Earth One Vol. 2....
I still haven't read it yet, either. I'm waiting for the paperback.