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Hey guys today i wanna talk legendary pictures godzilla and problems with making godzilla more real.
Now from what i read in Gareth Edwards interviews online he said that he wants to take a realistic approach for godzilla like how nolan did for batman and follow the story from a solider point of view of the events but is that a good idea?I mean how could you make godzilla real?Godzilla is a 400 ft tall fire breathing dinosaur that was created from a atomic bomb in ww2 and fights other giant monsters ether to keep his territory from others or to protect his son baby godzilla(https://www.batman-online.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.wikia.com%2Fgodzilla%2Fimages%2Fc%2Fc8%2FGzilla60.jpg&hash=81e8f00733b68381a08c673af45b0ce581041cc1) plus the last time someone wanted to make godzilla more realistic this happened(https://www.batman-online.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn1.screenrant.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2FGodzilla-1998-Modern-Day.jpg&hash=2d870c7439215efcfd3faa8b07faf2b116dc37b4)and i think we don't need another one like him do we?Anyways if they do make godzilla realistic again for today's standards does that mean we're just gonna have godzilla alone in the possible sequels if the film is a hit and not have him fight his classic enemies like kong,ghidorah,destroyah or even spacegodzilla just the army?Cause Gareth Edwards says he wants to stay true to godzilla origins but wants to make him more real but i dunno what do you guys think?Is making godzilla real a good idea or bad one?Note i'm a huge godzilla fan and he is my number 1 hero on my list of heroes batman is 2nd and i don't wanna see another mutated tuna eating lizard running away from the army again.

I think Cloverfield is a strong argument that realism could be made to serve Godzilla if it's done right.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Sat,  2 Mar  2013, 04:13
I think Cloverfield is a strong argument that realism could be made to serve Godzilla if it's done right.

Ehh probably but the movie should really explain why the monster attacked and where it came from or how it was created and not be focus on a couple of people with a shaky camera who only sees the monster for a split second y'know? :-[

The "found footage" thing is just one way to do it. I don't like the nausea cam when it's over done (although I'm apparently in the minority view that doesn't think Cloverfield overdid it).

Anyway, point is that Cloverfield made it work by introducing the monster but not going into any detail about the creature's origins or, really, capabilities. More words rarely make a better explanation. So keep it simple.

Have any of you seen "Gojira" (1954)?  It's meant to be a pretty serious Godzilla film, I'd love to see remake of that.

"Cloverfield", while being a decent film, was dissapointing. I learned nothing about the monster from that movie. I went online and read about the DVD extras, THAT told me something.

Ultimately the focus of "Cloverfield" was the people, which I really didn't care about. I felt kind of sorry when Marlena exploded, didn't care about most of the others, and after two hours of his inane comments and sh*tty camerawork I was actually happy when Hud died.  :P

I love that scene in Godzilla: Final Wars where the original Japanese guy-in-a-rubber-suit Godzilla faces off against the CG American version. The real Godzilla casually annihilates the usurper without breaking a sweat.


As for the reboot, it's success for me depends on where it's set. Godzilla stories should be based in Japan, or at least in Asia. I know he's rampaged through other countries in some of the past films, but his activities should really be localised around Japan. Godzilla is an intrinsically Japanese character, just like James Bond is intrinsically British.

If you ever go to Japan you'll notice lots of earthquake signs decorated with images of a catfish. This is Namazu, a giant catfish that Japanese folklore blames for causing earthquakes. This notion of a giant animal being responsible for natural disasters is deeply ingrained in Japanese culture. I suppose that's where the whole Kaiju cinematic subgenre comes from. You'll find a similar fascination with giant monsters in Japanese comics and videogames.

Godzilla has additional cultural significance because he embodies the post-Hiroshima fear of atomic devastation. Neo-Tokyo, post-apocalyptic survival and the fear of nuclear war are all common themes in Japanese science fiction. And since Godzilla was literally spawned from an atomic blast, he is in many ways the purest distillation of all those concepts.

All of those cultural resonances are lost the moment you take Godzilla out of Japan and place him in a western context. He then just becomes another generic giant monster. In theory you could try connecting the basic idea of Godzilla with something pertinent to the fears in American society; for instance, the post-9/11 fear of terrorism. But that's already been done. The scenes of destruction in Cloverfield were heavily influenced by real footage of the World Trade Centre attack. So I don't think there's any value in doing it all again but with the Godzilla brand tacked on.

As far as the comparisons to Nolan's Batman films go, well that's just something every filmmaker says nowadays to try and generate buzz for their project. Likewise the word "reboot" has been popularised since Batman Begins came out. For some reason a reboot is considered more acceptable than a remake, even though they're essentially the same thing: taking a concept that's already been made into a movie and making it again. But I'll wait for more information on the Godzilla reboot before passing judgement. If they set it in Japan and try to reflect the tone of the 1954 original then it has the potential to be a good picture.

ironic timing for me, I just saw the 1998 film for the first time recently ... can't believe it's been 15 years, I remember all the hype about it, I think I saw it in pieces but finally saw it from start to finish for the first time. I guess it falls into the category of popcorn flick; heavily flawed, lacks logic (ie how on earth they keep losing the giant monster, Jean Reno's clan for some reason trying to help the americans.), had some bad jokes. Wasn't a bad film I guess, there's far worse out there and especially with the 3-d phenomenon and CGI, they could do wonders with modern effects.

I don't know about a realistic version though, godzilla is so far fetched and heavily parodied that it has a better chance bombing by taking itself too seriously than simply having fun with it.

Zilla '98 absolutely has it's share of problems. As a Kaiju film, it's decent enough. But as a bona-fide Godzilla film, it ain't. And it's a film that obviously takes more of it's inspiration from Jurassic Park, and Beast from 20,000 Fathoms, than it did the Godzilla franchise. But the marquee value was Godzilla, and we got what we got.

I'm very optimistic about the 2014 Legendary Pictures reboot. The take sounds interesting, and I think it has a good chance at succeeding if Gareth Edwards and company can achieve in making audiences, who would normally be dismissive of anything with Godzilla in the title, become atleast interested in the film due in large part to the serious/dramatic approach taken with it. Which can be tricky, but if the SDCC teaser gives any indication, it appears as if this will definately NOT be a repeat of what happened in 1998.

isn't realistic godzilla movie like the ultimate oxymoron?

Quote from: Catwoman on Tue, 12 Mar  2013, 06:27
isn't realistic godzilla movie like the ultimate oxymoron?

Well, alot of people talk about Nolan's Bat-Trilogy as being realistic despite alot of UNrealistic stuff going on. It's really how the material explained and dealt with that ultimately lends the 'illusion' of realism. This new Godzilla film appears to be taking a similar approach.

QuoteThe "found footage" thing is just one way to do it. I don't like the nausea cam when it's over done (although I'm apparently in the minority view that doesn't think Cloverfield overdid it).

Anyway, point is that Cloverfield made it work by introducing the monster but not going into any detail about the creature's origins or, really, capabilities. More words rarely make a better explanation. So keep it simple.

Agreed. I think a "realistic" take (ie focus on the destruction of a real place and with real people) would be a really cool way to do it. You can always have a Godzilla Vs whatever movie as a sequel.

QuoteAs for the reboot, it's success for me depends on where it's set. Godzilla stories should be based in Japan, or at least in Asia. I know he's rampaged through other countries in some of the past films, but his activities should really be localised around Japan. Godzilla is an intrinsically Japanese character, just like James Bond is intrinsically British.

Agreed.

Yeah i thought i'd ask cause seems i met some g-fans here and why not  :D


Here's my list.  8)
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1:Godzilla 1954
2:Godzilla 1985
3:Son of Godzilla
4:Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah
5:Mothra vs. Godzilla
6:Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II
7:Godzilla vs. Destoroyah
8:King Kong vs. Godzilla
9:Godzilla, Mothra and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack
10:Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla

And if your wondering why i only have one of the Millennium movies on my list because i was never a big fan of the Millennium series that much...i dunno something about them wasn't as strong as the originals except for the one i have on my list

I like the Showa era.

1. Gojira/Godzilla King of the Monsters
2. Mothra vs. Godzilla
3. King Kong vs. Godzilla
4. Ghidrah/Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster
5. Return of Godzilla/Godzilla 1985
6. Son of Godzilla
7. Godzilla vs. Hedorah/Smog Monster (it's ... very different)
8. Godzilla Final Wars
9. Godzilla Raids Again/Gigantis the Fire Monster
10. Destroy all Monsters (the final battle is amazing!)

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Quote from: The Joker on Sun, 31 Mar  2013, 17:27

I like the Showa era.

1. Gojira/Godzilla King of the Monsters
2. Mothra vs. Godzilla
3. King Kong vs. Godzilla
4. Ghidrah/Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster
5. Return of Godzilla/Godzilla 1985
6. Son of Godzilla
7. Godzilla vs. Hedorah/Smog Monster (it's ... very different)
8. Godzilla Final Wars
9. Godzilla Raids Again/Gigantis the Fire Monster
10. Destroy all Monsters (the final battle is amazing!)

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Cool list my friend my favorite era is the Heisei btw does that mean you like godzilla's revenge as well? XD

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Sun, 31 Mar  2013, 18:25
Cool list my friend my favorite era is the Heisei btw does that mean you like godzilla's revenge as well? XD

:D

I actually kinda do, but some of that is probably due to my wanting to see it for years during my childhood, and never being able to. Similar to Destroy All Monsters, and Godzilla vs. Hedorah/Smog Monster. With the latter two, I have no recollection of seeing either one until they aired on the Sci Fi Channel (pre-Syfy of course) during the late 1990's. I think it might have been a year or two years at best prior to those airings that Paramount released Godzilla's Revenge on VHS. But where my liking of Hedorah/Smog Monster was because of how psychedelic, and sometimes just absurdly WEIRD it could often be, my liking for Revenge was due to how hysterically awful the film, more often than not, actually was.

During the 1970's Showa Godzilla era, it was apparent that the films began being brought in on a budget, but Revenge is probably the best example of that as the abundant use of stock footage was quite literally, shameless. I mean, the re-use of footage, especially in the Showa era, wasn't something that the Godzilla films were strangers of, but Revenge brought it to a whole new level. Throw in Minya's Barney Rubble-like voice, and Gabara, who sounds like a cross between a cat and a car engine trying to crank up, and it's definately a strong candidate for those nights one might be in a MST3000 frame of mind. More so than even Megalon even!  ;D

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Sat, 30 Mar  2013, 21:41
Yeah i thought i'd ask cause seems i met some g-fans here and why not  :D


Here's my list.  8)
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1:Godzilla 1954
2:Godzilla 1985
3:Son of Godzilla
4:Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah
5:Mothra vs. Godzilla
6:Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II
7:Godzilla vs. Destoroyah
8:King Kong vs. Godzilla
9:Godzilla, Mothra and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack
10:Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla

And if your wondering why i only have one of the Millennium movies on my list because i was never a big fan of the Millennium series that much...i dunno something about them wasn't as strong as the originals except for the one i have on my list

Do you know where one could find a larger version of that Heisei poster? That looks great!

Honestly, I get at least some amount of joy from every film in the Showa and Heisei series. The original is an amazing piece of cinema, and I gravitate towards the design and personality of the Heisei Godzilla. Nearly every entry in the Millennium series left me cold.

Quote from: zDBZ on Thu, 18 Apr  2013, 04:07

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Sat, 30 Mar  2013, 21:41
Yeah i thought i'd ask cause seems i met some g-fans here and why not  :D


Here's my list.  8)
(https://www.batman-online.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.wikia.com%2Fgodzilla%2Fde%2Fimages%2F4%2F4b%2FHeisei.jpg&hash=e0703a95a5a0be6b26c168871d86b565a872067e)
1:Godzilla 1954
2:Godzilla 1985
3:Son of Godzilla
4:Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah
5:Mothra vs. Godzilla
6:Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II
7:Godzilla vs. Destoroyah
8:King Kong vs. Godzilla
9:Godzilla, Mothra and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack
10:Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla

And if your wondering why i only have one of the Millennium movies on my list because i was never a big fan of the Millennium series that much...i dunno something about them wasn't as strong as the originals except for the one i have on my list

Do you know where one could find a larger version of that Heisei poster? That looks great!

Honestly, I get at least some amount of joy from every film in the Showa and Heisei series. The original is an amazing piece of cinema, and I gravitate towards the design and personality of the Heisei Godzilla. Nearly every entry in the Millennium series left me cold.

Sorry bud that's only size i could find in it & for your feelings about the Millennium series i don't blame ya i mean they're a cool update from the older I.E Costumes but the story wise & how the monsters are used are not as good as the original except for Maybe final wars & GMK but even that's giving it too much created  :P

Thread could use a better title, but since there's already been some prior discussion on 2014's Godzilla film within this thread, might as well stick with it.

And as the 2013 SDCC is in full swing, so is the Godzilla hype.


Couple of new posters:

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Concept art:

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And first teaser image of the King of the Monsters himself.

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As Godzilla fan, yes, I'm stoked for this. (https://www.batman-online.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1092.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi416%2Fjokertdk%2FGodzilla%2Fgodzilla005a_zpsbb8b9ad6.gif&hash=cc6c8581511bb0d5d5c0f4f507b1d848d68dc505)

Quote from: The Joker on Thu, 18 Jul  2013, 06:14

Thread could use a better title, but since there's already been some prior discussion on 2014's Godzilla film within this thread, might as well stick with it.

And as the 2013 SDCC is in full swing, so is the Godzilla hype.


Couple of new posters:

(https://www.batman-online.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1092.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi416%2Fjokertdk%2FGodzilla%2FgodSDCC2013_zps47622966.jpg&hash=90529547755fd543b1314c18894f7554f3f0e200)

(https://www.batman-online.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1092.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi416%2Fjokertdk%2FGodzilla%2F2048294882794284_zpsdad9a6ed.jpg&hash=b12caf1e55a6cb170122dd6daaa1eec1a4f9516b)


Concept art:

(https://www.batman-online.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1092.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi416%2Fjokertdk%2FGodzilla%2Fexclconceptartlegoji_zps79522533.jpg&hash=719c29c1d5c334b92df257dd86db1ba3274b0fbb)



And first teaser image of the King of the Monsters himself.

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As Godzilla fan, yes, I'm stoked for this. (https://www.batman-online.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1092.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi416%2Fjokertdk%2FGodzilla%2Fgodzilla005a_zpsbb8b9ad6.gif&hash=cc6c8581511bb0d5d5c0f4f507b1d848d68dc505)

*sniffs*
these are beautiful  ;D

From the little bit we can see of him, Godzilla looks not unlike Stan Winston's old maquette. I can't quite tell his colour; did they stick to the charcoal grey or give in and make him green?

Looks like they are sticking with the charcoal grey color scheme, if we're going by these images of what Godzilla is supposedly going to look like, but it's unconfirmed.

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EDIT: Edwards has said that this is not 100% exactly what he's going to look like in the film.


Comic Con Panel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUEPGY68tJQ

^ If that's close to the finished design...better than any of the Millennium designs IMO, but he looks overweight.

On an unrelated note - I know there was a maquette like this one at Comic Con of the Heisei Godzilla (or something very close to it). Do you have any good quality pictures of that model, or know where to find some?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRlShUKuy5w#at=15

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Looks great!

Godzilla 2014?

Looks like it.

(https://www.batman-online.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1092.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi416%2Fjokertdk%2FGodzilla%2FExpo-G-Sept-2013_zpsd315a80d.jpg&hash=3c80a596374a5700ab66d442b9e9c309a6c98869) (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/jokertdk/media/Godzilla/Expo-G-Sept-2013_zpsd315a80d.jpg.html)

http://kaijubattle.blogspot.com/2013/09/is-this-godzilla-2014.html

Quote from: The Joker on Wed, 11 Sep  2013, 12:59

Godzilla 2014?

Looks like it.

(https://www.batman-online.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1092.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi416%2Fjokertdk%2FGodzilla%2FExpo-G-Sept-2013_zpsd315a80d.jpg&hash=3c80a596374a5700ab66d442b9e9c309a6c98869) (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/jokertdk/media/Godzilla/Expo-G-Sept-2013_zpsd315a80d.jpg.html)

http://kaijubattle.blogspot.com/2013/09/is-this-godzilla-2014.html

I'm glad they went the Heisei look for this godzilla however just to nitpick i do miss the ears but who knows may he has them just hidden right?Also what godzilla roar are they gonna use?

Has the Godzilla roar changed over the years?

Quote from: GBglide on Thu, 12 Sep  2013, 10:18
Has the Godzilla roar changed over the years?

Like you wouldn't believe it. :P

Not sure how long this will remain up, but it's S-P-E-C-T-A-C-U-L-A-R!!!

http://cinema.jeuxactu.com/video-teaser-godzilla-2014-comic-con-trailer-hd-12328.htm

Quote from: The Joker on Sun,  6 Oct  2013, 12:40

Not sure how long this will remain up, but it's S-P-E-C-T-A-C-U-L-A-R!!!

http://cinema.jeuxactu.com/video-teaser-godzilla-2014-comic-con-trailer-hd-12328.htm

That was quite a good teaser. The use of Ligeti's Requiem was a particularly nice touch, though I wish they hadn't ruined it by adding those generic Zimmer-esque percussive thuds. I also wish they'd included some footage of Japan. But still, it looks promising.

It's funny to think it's been almost ten years since the Millennium series ended. It's about time the big guy returned.

Watching the teaser just makes me anticipate the *official* trailer that much more. Given that this was originally shown during the SDCC in 2012, and was very early on during production, this certainly did an effecting job in leading one to believe that we're in for something special when it comes to the upcoming Godzilla reboot.

The rumor right now is that the officially released trailer is coming Nov 3rd.

I certainly hope so!

I just saw it when it came out,downloaded it before it got removed,& all i have to say is that...hollywood redeemed themselves in my book i mean the destruction,the dead bodies everywhere,the msyterious dead monster,& of course Godzilla himself this is what the american 1998 remake should have been >:( anyways i got excited when i heard godzilla's roar which sounds like the Heisei godzilla but modified abit & seeing godzilla's silhouette rising from the ground & roaring..just wow i just know the movie is gonna be awesome also did anyone hear the news that legendary picture is working for universal now?Is this a sign that the sequel will be a king kong vs godzilla movie??  :D

For me, the 1998 movie was probably the biggest cinematic letdown of all time.

The online marketing was simply amazing, probably better than any other film at the time. It consisted of an active online message board where fans like me speculated as to what the movie would be like. The trailers for the film were incredibly well-done.

This one in particular, is probably one of the best teasers of all time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_oiHWXLIFI


Unfortunately, the actual product was incredibly sub-par. But it stars half the cast of The Simpson's so it gets some points from me on that...

Anyways, the new one has to be better if for no other reason then it can't possibly be any worse.

I agree that the marketing for the 1998 was, especially at the time, second to none. And really, STILL ranks up there for some of the greatest marketing for a film in the modern era. Which is saying something considering it was pre-viral marketing and such.

The one I liked the best is this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsYtUgYx8Xo


I remember seeing that one when I saw Starship Troopers with a cousin, and thinking the film would be nothing short of outstanding. I also remember thinking that although I fully expected Godzilla to look different, and was open to that idea, I also expected Godzilla to retain the classic Toho design to some extent. Much like the 1994 Stan Winston Godzilla design.

Nope.  ::)

um how do you make a "realistic" godzilla movie? a regular sized lizard terrorizes a hotel? lol.

Godzilla is a dinosaur not a lizard & for the trailers i agree the marketing was simply amazing back in the time cause for starters we barely saw Zilla in any of the those shots except for his eye,tail,& feet & the army trying to figure out what they're dealing with i gotta give them props for the suspense & excitement they put into those trailers thinking your gonna see something awesome but really all you were gonna see was a sissy,fish eating,scaredy cat,Lizard that took the name "Godzilla  The king of monsters" & for years made people think that's how godzilla was in japan & years ago....  >:(
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH....sorry sorry didn't mean to rage it just pisses me off how the 1998 failure failed to remake a classic from 50's & forever tainted the image of godzilla for years to come......until now thanks gareth edwards.

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Btw what do you think the dead monster in the trailer was?

I thought i'd make this thread for us G-fans so we can talk about the 2014 film & past godzilla films just for fun & nostalgic memories.  :D
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First off how did you guys discover Godzilla?

First discovered Godzilla at a very young age. Too far back for me to remember actually. But I recall watching Godzilla marathon's on TNT and/or TBS to some extent, so that may have very well been my introduction. I do remember being surprised, and then excited when I saw a VHS copy of 'King Kong vs Godzilla' in some store my parents to me to at a young age, and that one, in particular, being a favorite. Mainly due to the notion of two iconic monsters battling, and really, it didn't disappoint in that arena.

I remember Ghidrah the Three Headed Monster, and Godzilla 1985 being other tapes I would watch over and over as well. Ghidrah being a great monster mash, and '85 being probably my first taste of a fairly serious Godzilla film, though of course I was too young to really get the blantant product placement, and cold war propaganda.  ;D

Quote from: The Joker on Tue,  8 Oct  2013, 12:14

First discovered Godzilla at a very young age. Too far back for me to remember actually. But I recall watching Godzilla marathon's on TNT and/or TBS to some extent, so that may have very well been my introduction. I do remember being surprised, and then excited when I saw a VHS copy of 'King Kong vs Godzilla' in some store my parents to me to at a young age, and that one, in particular, being a favorite. Mainly due to the notion of two iconic monsters battling, and really, it didn't disappoint in that arena.

I remember Ghidrah the Three Headed Monster, and Godzilla 1985 being other tapes I would watch over and over as well. Ghidrah being a great monster mash, and '85 being probably my first taste of a fairly serious Godzilla film, though of course I was too young to really get the blantant product placement, and cold war propaganda.  ;D

What a awesome way to be introduced to the king of monsters man  :D as for me like you i was at a young age but the funny thing it was my mom who exposed Godzilla to me you see i was wondering my own business watching bugs bunny cartoons until one day my mom came in wanting to show me something on channel 26 (yeah on a fox channel) so i let her & when the movie began i was a little scared cause i remember red firey letters being burnt on the screen & thus His name came up "GODZILLA" aka Godzilla 1985 please note i thought i was watching a horror film due to the opening where that guy finds all the crew memebers dead & being attack by that sea lice  :P so after awhile of being scared of the opening & the mysterious monster attacking the sub underwater i was finally Introduced to godzilla with that awesome panning up shot of him looking down at that soilder & roaring..Oooooh i still goosebumps to that awesome scene  ;D & after movie was i litterally addicted to godzilla movies & thus began my cursade in sreaching for anything godzilla related from toys to movies....i was that big of a fan  :-[ :P

Probably introduced by the cartoon series, but I also used to sleepover at a friends house when we were young kids...they showed the old Godzilla movies over the course of a lot of weekends on a TV station.

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Tue,  8 Oct  2013, 16:51
What a awesome way to be introduced to the king of monsters man  :D as for me like you i was at a young age but the funny thing it was my mom who exposed Godzilla to me you see i was wondering my own business watching bugs bunny cartoons until one day my mom came in wanting to show me something on channel 26 (yeah on a fox channel) so i let her & when the movie began i was a little scared cause i remember red firey letters being burnt on the screen & thus His name came up "GODZILLA" aka Godzilla 1985 please note i thought i was watching a horror film due to the opening where that guy finds all the crew memebers dead & being attack by that sea lice  :P so after awhile of being scared of the opening & the mysterious monster attacking the sub underwater i was finally Introduced to godzilla with that awesome panning up shot of him looking down at that soilder & roaring..Oooooh i still goosebumps to that awesome scene  ;D & after movie was i litterally addicted to godzilla movies & thus began my cursade in sreaching for anything godzilla related from toys to movies....i was that big of a fan  :-[ :P

That's a VERY cool way to be introduced to Godzilla!!! Yeah, Godzilla 1985 is definitely a favorite since I first saw it way back when. Love the design of Godzilla in that one, love the fact that Raymond Burr was brought back to reprise his role from the original, and how Godzilla was brought back from the friendly Earth-Defender role, to the unstoppable force of nature that he represented in the original 1954 classic! That's also cool about your Mom being the one who provided the introduction! I think my Mother just put up with my Godzilla addiction for the most part. Haha As she much preferred the King Kong films if we're talking giant monsters.

I'm really hoping Shout Factory or some company of that quality will put out a proper edition of Godzilla 1985 on DVD/Bluray by the time the 2014 Godzilla film starts playing in theaters. It's the only one that hasn't had a official stateside release, and that's just a travesty to be honest. Especially for any youngster at all interested in watching Godzilla. Would be nice if that's rectified fairly soon. 

Haha thanks & how ironic my mom does the same with me with godzilla however after years of watching the G-films with me when i was a little kid shes a fan even today  :P Also i agree with you about Godzilla 1985 getting a DVD/Bluray release when Godzilla 2014 is playing in theaters heck i would love the whole G series getting DVD/Bluray release with deleted scenes,special features,& other goodies in the disc  8) ...btw just out of the subject didn't you find it weird that when godzilla was shot in mouth by the super-X he starts roaring like the showa godzilla i mean what's up with that?  ???

I assume just a nod to that specific era? Admittedly, I'm not good at distinguishing roars from the Godzilla films. I mean I know it, but never really took the time to pay attention and say a specific roar is definitely from this particular Godzilla film/era. Interestingly enough, there's a youtube channel with a guy who gives fairly good up-to-date information on the upcoming film, and he suggested that the big G's signature roar sounded more like a scream than any other prior version so far. Again, I couldn't tell lol, but found it a curious suggestion if anything.

One thing I can say about '85, is that I found it, for a number of years, to be the most heart-breaking Godzilla movie out there. As I remember thinking that Godzilla was actually destroyed at the very end of the film. Keep in mind though, this was BEFORE any knowledge of Toho continuing on, and actually I might have watched '85 before Biollante was even made, but I do vividly recall that ending being particularly emotional. Especially with Raymond Burr's great narration added as well. Who, to his credit, was taking the material seriously, where it's easy to tell other cast members ... not so much.

Quote from: The Joker on Thu, 10 Oct  2013, 23:53

I assume just a nod to that specific era? Admittedly, I'm not good at distinguishing roars from the Godzilla films. I mean I know it, but never really took the time to pay attention and say a specific roar is definitely from this particular Godzilla film/era. Interestingly enough, there's a youtube channel with a guy who gives fairly good up-to-date information on the upcoming film, and he suggested that the big G's signature roar sounded more like a scream than any other prior version so far. Again, I couldn't tell lol, but found it a curious suggestion if anything.

One thing I can say about '85, is that I found it, for a number of years, to be the most heart-breaking Godzilla movie out there. As I remember thinking that Godzilla was actually destroyed at the very end of the film. Keep in mind though, this was BEFORE any knowledge of Toho continuing on, and actually I might have watched '85 before Biollante was even made, but I do vividly recall that ending being particularly emotional. Especially with Raymond Burr's great narration added as well. Who, to his credit, was taking the material seriously, where it's easy to tell other cast members ... not so much.

Hm probably but i still find it weird though & as for the ending i agree with you..i swear no matter how old i get i always hold back tears when godzilla is falling into Mt. Mihara i mean yes Godzilla has caused so many deaths in the past but he himself is a victim as well why?First off he his the last of his kind,we created him by over using our nuclear
weapons & destroying life in the process,& thus he comes back to life as a force to be reckoned with & shows us the wrongs & sins of what we created by using nuclear power...it's a amazing that what was suppose to be a sci-fi monster movie back in 50's turns into something more years later despite people just seeing a fire breathing dinosaur attacking japan however i do have one thing to say to those who haven't seen Godzilla watch the original 1954 version & 56 dub as both version keep the moral & tone of Godzilla both films will give you the jest that Godzilla is not some movie monster but instead a symbol that was carried for over 60 years.

Wholeheartedly agree!

Godzilla may have been influenced by 'The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms' in it's early conception, but the film became so much more than 'Beast'. Where 'Beast' was essentially a standard Monster on the Loose story with great special effects, Godzilla had much more of a dramatic storyline, and effectively evoked the monster as an allegory of the horrors of war, and the age that was brought forth as well. For a country that had experienced first hand the power of the bomb, the original 1954 Gojira especially resonated with audiences. The 1956 americanized version isn't quite as good, but it also told a story in a effective way (much more documentary like since much of the film is essentially a flashback, as we open up to Tokyo already in ruins), as well as being the film that made Godzilla a cultural icon. So, it too, deserves it's recognition.

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Quote from: The Joker on Fri, 11 Oct  2013, 02:09

Wholeheartedly agree!

Godzilla may have been influenced by 'The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms' in it's early conception, but the film became so much more than 'Beast'. Where 'Beast' was essentially a standard Monster on the Loose story with great special effects, Godzilla had much more of a dramatic storyline, and effectively evoked the monster as an allegory of the horrors of war, and the age that was brought forth as well. For a country that had experienced first hand the power of the bomb, the original 1954 Gojira especially resonated with audiences. The 1956 americanized version isn't quite as good, but it also told a story in a effective way (much more documentary like since much of the film is essentially a flashback, as we open up to Tokyo already in ruins), as well as being the film that made Godzilla a cultural icon. So, it too, deserves it's recognition.

*Claps*i-i couldn't have said it better then myself joker bravo :D

I'm glad they went with the alligator/crocodile look appearance for the big-G,Hey joker question if they do a king kong vs godzilla remake as a sequel to the 2014 Godzilla film you think they'll use that false rumor double ending where in USA kong wins & in the JAP Godzilla wins??Or will they make king kong win again?

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I'm glad they went with the alligator/crocodile look appearance for the big-G,Hey joker question if they do a king kong vs godzilla remake as a sequel to the 2014 Godzilla film you think they'll use that false rumor double ending where in USA kong wins & in the JAP Godzilla wins??Or will they make king kong win again?

Personally, I think King Kong would still remain the victor if KK vs G ever got remade. I'm sure you know, but for others, Kong would get a 'boost' to even be considered an opponent to Godzilla, much like how he was in the original 1962 film, but in the end, I think Kong would win out. Godzilla, in the original movie, was portrayed as the villain, and I always thought it made little sense for him to win in the much rumored double ending. As he's clearly shown to be aggressive towards humans and the military, where Kong was put to sleep, and brought to Japan by a goofball advertiser as an attraction. I mean, I understand the notion of Kong representing the West, and Godzilla, the East, but storyline-wise, it just made little sense. I suppose they could always go with the idea of both monsters being simply territorial, but I think Toho had it right by making Godzilla more of the 'destructive force', where Kong was more of a sympathetic monster with heart that kept on getting back up no matter how many times he's knocked down.

I've actually got a few books going over the history of Godzilla, and Toho are very big fans of Kong. Actually, they wanted to do an entire line of Kong films, much like Godzilla, but RKO nixed it. However, Toho had the option to do one more, and that became "King Kong Escapes". Godzilla vs The Sea Monster was designed as a Kong feature, but due to the RKO decision, Godzilla was brought in as the replacement. I think Toho tried again in the 1990's, but Universal wasn't hot on the idea. 

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Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Fri, 11 Oct  2013, 02:25
I'm glad they went with the alligator/crocodile look appearance for the big-G,Hey joker question if they do a king kong vs godzilla remake as a sequel to the 2014 Godzilla film you think they'll use that false rumor double ending where in USA kong wins & in the JAP Godzilla wins??Or will they make king kong win again?

Personally, I think King Kong would still remain the victor if KK vs G ever got remade. I'm sure you know, but for others, Kong would get a 'boost' to even be considered an opponent to Godzilla, much like how he was in the original 1962 film, but in the end, I think Kong would win out. Godzilla, in the original movie, was portrayed as the villain, and I always thought it made little sense for him to win in the much rumored double ending. As he's clearly shown to be aggressive towards humans and the military, where Kong was put to sleep, and brought to Japan by a goofball advertiser as an attraction. I mean, I understand the notion of Kong representing the West, and Godzilla, the East, but storyline-wise, it just made little sense. I suppose they could always go with the idea of both monsters being simply territorial, but I think Toho had it right by making Godzilla more of the 'destructive force', where Kong was more of a sympathetic monster with heart that kept on getting back up no matter how many times he's knocked down.

I've actually got a few books going over the history of Godzilla, and Toho are very big fans of Kong. Actually, they wanted to do an entire line of Kong films, much like Godzilla, but RKO nixed it. However, Toho had the option to do one more, and that became "King Kong Escapes". Godzilla vs The Sea Monster was designed as a Kong feature, but due to the RKO decision, Godzilla was brought in as the replacement. I think Toho tried again in the 1990's, but Universal wasn't hot on the idea.

Wooot You sure done your homework Joker infact i already knew about King Kong escapes & other toho films that were suppose to star our hairy friend but was replaced by godzilla due to copyrights heck i'm still buthurt that they couldn't remake king kong vs godzilla in the 90's cause that would been an awesome experience to see our favorite titans battle again with updated looks & powers however with that aside i understand what toho was going for in King Kong Vs Godzilla with them making Kong the victor but as a hardcore G-fan i am i still say godzilla would have won the fight even with Kong superpowered by electricity cause let's face it godzilla has been hit with bullets,bombs,& missiles & always survives & blows up everything up without even trying & kong well he was shot down by planes...yeeesssh
:-X i'm not trying to be a hater towards kong heck i'm a fan of his i'm just pointing out the facts on why Godzilla would defeat kong since Godzilla has gotten more vicious with his attacks through the years mostly in 90's & 2000 & is more of a thinker.

Yeah, I'm like you, as I'm more of a Godzilla guy as well. However, I think it's much easier to write a KK vs G film where audiences would root for Kong, rather than against him. As he's much more of a tragic, romanticized monster (the whole Beauty and the Beast thing going on), than Godzilla would be. I agree, that, under any usual circumstances, Kong wouldn't stand a chance. It's exactly why Toho increased Kong's size so much, along with having those electrical powers (which was weird, but you might already know the story behind that) as well. Now with the electrical powers idea, Godzilla never has really shown any sort of weakness to electricity prior to that, so it was mainly kept just out of pure convenience, and to give Kong the much needed boost in evening out the playing field.

If a remake ever did transpire, I really wouldn't think that the whole electrical aspect to be incorporated again, however Kong's size would HAVE to be dramatically increased, and I think Kong would be an incredibly agile monster. Along with being quick and strategic in his battle with Godzilla. At least strategic in the same light of how the two Mothra larva's took down Godzilla in 1964. ;)

Yes yes i know King Kong's part was originally intended to be Frakenstiens but seeing how king kong is a much formidable  foe & a fan favorite on toho's part i understand  :P & as for the electrical powers well godzilla does have that weakness in which electricity it does hurt him as shown both eras but sometimes his dorsal fins can asborb that energy & use it against his foes as proven in Godzilla, Mothra and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack which on the hand is great film despite what people say but other then that electricity does hurt the big-G but he always comes back to fight  :D  but y'know since you brought up king kong's tragic & romanticized side it has me reminded me that Godzilla also has loving side espcially in son of godzilla,godzilla vs mechagodzilla 2,godzilla vs spacegodzilla,& godzilla vs destroyah i mean despite him being all brooding & serious like batman & his sons Godzilla can be a loving & caring dad just like bats...but can also be abit of a dick sometimes as shown in son of godzilla.XD But y'know in godzilla vs destroyah it really showed how much godzilla loved his son when destroyah killed him & the pain showed when jr died....man that scene where godzilla is trying to revive jr is just heartbreaking  :( i mean jr closes his eyes & godzilla just bursts out in anger & crying in the state he was in just makes me wish they would have made godzilla kill destroyah in final battle instead of the army killing him  >:(

Seems like that electricity weakness is sporadic at best though. I want to see if you agree, but like say for instance in n KK vs G, Godzilla is clearly shown to have that weakness. However, in the original 1954 film, Tokyo builds a electrical fence to keep him out, and it flat out fails as it's shown to have little, if any, effect on him. But in KK vs G, there's a scene where Godzilla comes up on one of these fences, and is surprisingly deterred by it. I recall electricity being used on Godzilla by the military in the original 'Godzilla vs Mothra', which was the follow-up to KK vs G, but it appeared to be more of a annoyance than anything else...

Glad to see you like GMAOA! Actually, that's one of my favorites from the Millienium era. I especially thought it was interesting to see Ghidorah used as a force for good. That was different.

I agree that Godzilla has shown emotion in films, and that really showed as the films continued on where he became less of a destructive force, and more of a Earth Defender, and with that, became more humanized as well. Truth be told, I really enjoy 'Son of Godzilla', and find it fun to watch when in the mood to watch a more light-hearted Godzilla movie. Personally, I never found Minya/Minilla to be a negative, and honestly I find him to be hilarious, and charming in his own way. The smoke rings, hopping around Godzilla's tail, islanders tossing fruit into his mouth, that funny cry when he's pitching a fit, funny stuff!

And speaking of Godzilla being shown to clearly have a personality, if KK vs G is ever to be remade, I hope they will exclude those 'Eric Carter' segments that were inserted into the american version of that film. As I remember being a kid, and being completely perplexed on how Eric, and his know-it-all buddy came to the conclusion of Godzilla having the brain the size of a marble. I mean, the Godzilla films never had the tightest continuity from film to film, but that was just something completely out of left field and unnecessary. Though come to think of it, ALL the Eric Carter scenes were unnecessary! But it can be chalked up to being a sign of the times.

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Seems like that electricity weakness is sporadic at best though. I want to see if you agree, but like say for instance in n KK vs G, Godzilla is clearly shown to have that weakness. However, in the original 1954 film, Tokyo builds a electrical fence to keep him out, and it flat out fails as it's shown to have little, if any, effect on him. But in KK vs G, there's a scene where Godzilla comes up on one of these fences, and is surprisingly deterred by it. I recall electricity being used on Godzilla by the military in the original 'Godzilla vs Mothra', which was the follow-up to KK vs G, but it appeared to be more of a annoyance than anything else...

Not to disagree with you joker in the 1954 film it does actually hurt him cause you if look closely at the scene you'd see that he observes the electrical fences without making a sound & when he starts to go through them he roars indicating it hurts him & same thing in the original Godzilla Vs Mothra it hurts him but he takes up the strenght to destroy the source in which the electricity comes  :P

& as for GMAOA are you kidding?I love it it's just like godzilla 1985 where they return to the dark roots of godzilla except making him more meaner & evilier  ;D also Ghidorah being the good guy in the film was abit odd for me i mean it was neat to see a different side of Ghidorah & being used for good a change but cause i'm use to Ghidorah being the enemy of both godzilla & mothra i think it would have made more sense if Ghidorah was the bad guy in the film & have another toho monster be a guardian maybe Anguirus or Varan???

It's good to see a Godzilla fan not be disappionted by the creation of Minya/Minilla & can see the good quality he had as being Godzilla's son good on ya joker.  :D

& as for the Eric Carter scenes i never had problems with american footage being shot to explain godzilla origins or the events happening in the world infact if you think about it's pretty cool that the United states is aware to godzilla presences thanks to steve martin from 54 & does their best to help tokyo fight & trying to kill godzilla from the world so yeah at least with american footage we know that america knows about godzilla.  :P

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Fri, 11 Oct  2013, 21:06
Not to disagree with you joker in the 1954 film it does actually hurt him cause you if look closely at the scene you'd see that he observes the electrical fences without making a sound & when he starts to go through them he roars indicating it hurts him & same thing in the original Godzilla Vs Mothra it hurts him but he takes up the strenght to destroy the source in which the electricity comes  :P

I see what you are getting at, but I just have issues on the whole electricity front. As I've always felt Godzilla being hurt by it was simply a plot device to give Kong something of an advantage in KK vs G. With the original 1954 film, it's true Godzilla pauses for a second when approaching the electrical fence, but then goes right thru it. I remember Godzilla roaring as he went thru them, but he also does that when being fired upon, and both seem to have minimal effect at best. In KK vs G, suddenly Godzilla takes a swipe at one of these fences and apparently is hurt as he completely stops his course, inspects the fence, and changes path. Giving the film a plot device. Perhaps my issues with Godzilla being hurt by electricity stems from the later Showa films. As a freakin' lightning bolt wakes him up in 'vs Sea Monster'! With no ill effects, and as you know, a lightning bolt carries WAY more electricity than high tension wires. Plus there's the 1974 'vs MechaGodzilla' where electricity has a positive effect on him rather than being hurt ... just too sporadic/inconsistent for my tastes.  ;)

Quote& as for GMAOA are you kidding?I love it it's just like godzilla 1985 where they return to the dark roots of godzilla except making him more meaner & evilier  ;D also Ghidorah being the good guy in the film was abit odd for me i mean it was neat to see a different side of Ghidorah & being used for good a change but cause i'm use to Ghidorah being the enemy of both godzilla & mothra i think it would have made more sense if Ghidorah was the bad guy in the film & have another toho monster be a guardian maybe Anguirus or Varan???

That's pretty much why I found it a cool change. With the Millennium Era not having a strict continuity whatsoever, it was something they could do and get away with by making Ghidorah a good guy for once. Which I found refreshing. But I agree that if it was during the Showa/Heisei eras, it would have made absolutely no sense. Anguirus would have been cool, but ultimately I'm glad Toho tried something a little different with that film.

QuoteIt's good to see a Godzilla fan not be disappionted by the creation of Minya/Minilla & can see the good quality he had as being Godzilla's son good on ya joker.  :D

& as for the Eric Carter scenes i never had problems with american footage being shot to explain godzilla origins or the events happening in the world infact if you think about it's pretty cool that the United states is aware to godzilla presences thanks to steve martin from 54 & does their best to help tokyo fight & trying to kill godzilla from the world so yeah at least with american footage we know that america knows about godzilla.  :P

The american Eric Carter scenes are just funny to me. Upon breaking out of the iceberg, a helicopter pilot screams, "GODZILLA!!!" upon the sight of Godzilla breaking free. The film then cuts directly to Eric Carter, who says something along the lines of, "The world is stunned to discover that prehistoric creatures exist in the 20th century" .... errrr .... were Godzilla's rampages in '54, and '55 suddenly forgotten? Not to mention the fight with Anguirus ... How are people stunned by this???? Don't get me started on Dr. Johnson's "theories".  ;D

Jeez when you put it that way about electrcity being godzilla's weakness & not being effective later on in the showa series your right  :P & as for Godzilla being forgotten remember in godzilla's raids again the US was unaware that godzilla was back infact i don't think tokyo even told them that godzilla was back nor did godzilla leave tokyo to be re-dicovered by the world so i think they kept it secret from them as they already put godzilla in ice later in the film ether declaring him dead or the situtation under control which would let the world to believe godzilla was gone for good....yeah right.XD
So that's why i think why the world was shocked to know godzilla was still alive.

& btw joker consider youreself added to my buddy list  :D

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Sat, 12 Oct  2013, 03:06
Jeez when you put it that way about electrcity being godzilla's weakness & not being effective later on in the showa series your right  :P & as for Godzilla being forgotten remember in godzilla's raids again the US was unaware that godzilla was back infact i don't think tokyo even told them that godzilla was back nor did godzilla leave tokyo to be re-dicovered by the world so i think they kept it secret from them as they already put godzilla in ice later in the film ether declaring him dead or the situtation under control which would let the world to believe godzilla was gone for good....yeah right.XD
So that's why i think why the world was shocked to know godzilla was still alive.

You know, I could live with the US not being fully aware of what was actually going on during the events of "Raids Again", but I would have a hard time believing it could have been kept under wraps. I mean, if an american, brit, or what have you visited during the time of reconstruction, it would seem pretty obvious something happened. As the fight between Godzilla and Anguirus definitely caused some destruction, as well as a fairly substantial death toll. It would be like, "Hey ... what happened here?" and the response from locals, "Oh, nothing ......"  ;D

I think if Eric Carter would have phrased it more along the lines of the way you are putting it, BatmanFanatic93, it would have played alot better. It's just the clunky line he spews out that makes it comes across as if the world had no prior knowledge of Godzilla until he broke out of the iceberg. As he doesn't even say the name 'Godzilla', but rather 'Prehistoric Creatures', despite the just-previous scene of the pilot spotting Godzilla, and clearly being aware of the radioactive storm that was coming following that.

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Sat, 12 Oct  2013, 05:43
& btw joker consider youreself added to my buddy list  :D

Awesome.  :D

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I hope we'll hear godzilla's theme in the reboot it be cool to hear choir in it for added effect & epicness  ;D

That would be cool.

Speaking of nods to the fans, I'm really happy that  Akira Takarada will be making an appearance in the 2014 film!

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Same here joker  :)
Hey joker if the Godzilla 2014 movie is a hit what do you hope the sequel will be like?For me...well pretty obivious King Kong Vs Godzilla.  :P

Yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to a KK vs G re-do.  ;D

Though I certainly wouldn't mind seeing them take 'The Dark Knight' route, in by having Godzilla face off against his most persistent arch nemesis, King Ghidorah!

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Though, I have to admit, I would hope, if Ghidorah does show up in a sequel, Ghidorah's initial origin would remain intact. Which was that of a ancient evil marauding space dragon who was responsible for annihilating several civilizations on a number of planets. The whole 'Monster Zero' thing with the alien Xilians could work if they want to go that way, but I just generally prefer the original origin. Wasn't ever too hot on the Heisei origin with the Dorats, but that's just me.

What are your thoughts on the subject?

Quote from: The Joker on Mon, 14 Oct  2013, 04:56

Yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to a KK vs G re-do.  ;D

Though I certainly wouldn't mind seeing them take 'The Dark Knight' route, in by having Godzilla face off against his most persistent arch nemesis, King Ghidorah!

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Though, I have to admit, I would hope, if Ghidorah does show up in a sequel, Ghidorah's initial origin would remain intact. Which was that of a ancient evil marauding space dragon who was responsible for annihilating several civilizations on a number of planets. The whole 'Monster Zero' thing with the alien Xilians could work if they want to go that way, but I just generally prefer the original origin. Wasn't ever too hot on the Heisei origin with the Dorats, but that's just me.

What are your thoughts on the subject?

Woot man has Ghidorah been through many changes hasn't he??? okay well if they do decide to have Ghidorah in the sequel they'll ether have him as the good guy or some monster that japan creates to fight godzilla cause remember they're going back to godzilla's dark roots & back then godzilla was the bad guy plus they're going for the real life side to our beloved kaijus so Ghidorah being a ancient evil marauding space dragon or anything that's too sci-fi will be changed greatly just to make him fit in real as something that could happen in the real world.  :P

I think with Godzilla, the approach taken is just like that of the Nolan Bat films. Where fans often cite 'realism', where to which there is quite a bit of fantasy going on as well. It's that approach that gives the material the illusion of realism. Which is due in large part to the material being taken seriously.

To me, if we can accept Godzilla, I don't see why Ghidorah being a space dragon being so far fetched. There's a number of ways to go about it, and it could work. Having Ghidorah being on the side humans, especially with a WB-produced setting, would just feel very off to me. As that's doing a disservice to what the character has represented for the majority of it's existence. I give GMAOA a pass on the switch to being a Earth defender, due to it being a Millennium era film that were almost exclusively one offs, but if Ghidorah would appear in a sequel to the 2014 Edwards film, and considering the marketing and larger scope of audiences it would reach, Ghidorah being presented as something non-villainous would just be disappointing.

Actually, a more Heisei approach could be taken. Where King Ghidorah shows up, clearly wanting to destroy the planet, and Godzilla being a territorial beast, and not so much of a Showa Earth Defender, having issues with Ghidorah's objective to say the least. ;)

Be as it may joker i still dislike the nolan films as they changed to much of the characters for my taste plus bales batman voice & the fanboys hateing anything that was successful & good like spider-man,the 90's batman movies,& many other superhero movies that done well in the past but i should probably stop here as i can go on forever on this also i don't wanna get into any fight with those hardcore nolan fanboys as i delt with them in the past.


Well now that i think about it a heisei approach could work more well with 2014 film as that era kinda put somewhat smart logic on where these monsters came from & how they are they were able to live with us like for example Rodan in godzilla vs mechagodzilla 2 they explain that rodan is indeed a pteranodon that evovled further into our timeline plus for it's abnormal size they said that rodan was mutated while in the egg by baby godzilla's radiation that's somewhat believable also & i think Edwards is going by the early showa with Godzilla being the bad guy with abit of the heisei toughness & territorial & zilla look soo King Ghidorah could as they could go by your idea "Where King Ghidorah shows up, clearly wanting to destroy the planet, and Godzilla being a territorial beast, and not so much of a Showa Earth Defender, having issues with Ghidorah's objective to say the least."

I can understand your dislike for the Nolan films, and it's fans. Though I don't dislike the Nolanverse, I certainly don't find it to be anything 'definitive', nor do I enjoy reading fanboys blasting nearly every Batman media outside of the comics, that came prior to Batman Begins. I remember alot of negative comments thrown towards anything Burton, especially back when the Nolan films were in full swing, and alot of it came across as just being ignorant. However, I think, here lately, the garbage that has been spewed out by hardcore Nolanites for a number of years now, is subsiding. There's more than just one version of Batman, though some just choose to blindly accept only one. Too bad for them.

You know, since you bring up Rodan, I kinda wish, if the 2014 Godzilla film is successful, that there might be some interest in giving Rodan another run as a solo feature film. Now, I would imagine the budget would not be near what it is for Godzilla, but that's fine. I don't think it's necessary for such a budget anyways, and truth be told, I wouldn't mind a 'shared universe' of sorts when it comes to Godzilla. Also, I find the tragic ending of the original Rodan a high mark in the Toho Kaiju universe, and would like to see it acknowledged in a *fingers crossed* potential Godzilla movie franchise...

Thanks for understanding joker but my dislike for the nolan films still remains the same however the only nolan batman film i like out of trilogy is batman begins at least that one was somewhat fun & good for me while the others went too serious & seem to be based on real life events that could happen which is i wanna escape from cause when i watch a comic book movie or sci-fi i wanna escape reality & have fun watching them not think about if it could happen in real life.
:(

Y'know if they do a rodan movie but in the same sytle to godzilla 2014 i kinda wanna see other toho monsters rebooted or remade cause why should godzilla only get the spotlight?I mean i know he's the king of the monsters but it be cool to see his friends & enemies get their own movies with updated looks & origins & then let them have crossover with godzilla himself later on.  :D

One of my favorite lines from The Hangover.  :D

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HE DESTROYS CITIES!!!

Yeah except he mistakens godzilla being asian  :P
Btw major updates joker i recently found out a book company (i forogot their name) are gonna release a Godzilla 2014 Novelization along with a making of the film book by toho on May 20th i swear there's gonna be alot of godzilla goodies when the films comes out !!  :D

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something i did for fun & want to see happen one day  :P

Ah, the scene where Godzilla reveals himself. Nice.  ;D

You know, I think I remember from the 2006 Classic Media SE of Gojira/Godzilla KOTM release, that originally, Godzilla was to make his first appearance during that scene with a dead cow in his mouth. Course this was very early on during the project, and never got beyond storyboards thankfully.

Y'know when the 2014 film comes out i hope they'll re-create that lost scene cause i think it be terrifying & cool to see godzilla make that same appearence from 1954 but with a cow crying in pain in godzilla's grip i mean i know it's a grim scene to look at but it shows godzilla's t-rex nature & how godzilla can take anyones life including animals.  :-\

It would be interesting scene for sure, as I don't recall ever seeing Godzilla feed in carnivorous fashion (not counting the 1998 Zilla film). But with the 2014 Godzilla supposedly being much larger than that of the Showa/Heisei incarnations, that effect may be a bit tricky. As one cow would definitely not suffice, and eating an entire herd just doesn't seem like a appropriate fit for something PG-13...

Course there's always sea food.  ;)

Quote from: The Joker on Sun,  8 Dec  2013, 07:46

It would be interesting scene for sure, as I don't recall ever seeing Godzilla feed in carnivorous fashion (not counting the 1998 Zilla film). But with the 2014 Godzilla supposedly being much larger than that of the Showa/Heisei incarnations, that effect may be a bit tricky. As one cow would definitely not suffice, and eating an entire herd just doesn't seem like a appropriate fit for something PG-13...

Course there's always sea food.  ;)

Well not disagree with you joker but from i what i seen from the trailer & wallpapers like this (https://www.batman-online.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fspinoff.comicbookresources.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F07%2Fgodzilla-concept-art.jpg&hash=c5acc54944c8832ea48f9e3d61ee53cf0bcb2a31) it seems this godzilla is abit smaller then the Heisei cause i saw godzilla vs destroyah a few weeks ago on encore & the ship that the men were on in the wallpaper was real small compare to godzilla heck it was puny compare to godzilla's tail.

Ah, ok. You know what? I forgot that Edwards said the 2014 Godzilla was going to be the tallest incarnation, but not necessarily the largest.

http://www.totalfilm.com/features/godzilla-2014-10-things-we-learned-at-comic-con-2013/it-s-gotta-be-big

I see but fun fact the tallest godzilla suit ever made was the GMK one which i gotta say i wished toho used that suit through out the Millennium series instead of going back to their first design...i don't hate it just i love how the gmk resembles both Showa & Heisei incarnations all rolled up into one.

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More MUTO viral videos.

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FINALLY ....

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Oh god..after waiting so long to see the trailer...i was disappointed  ???

Oh yeah?

Yep uh-huh that's i'm checking myself into arkham cause i've completely lost it for being disappointed   :(

Hmm ... Disappointed as in just flat out disappointed?

Or disappointed cause you liked that leaked San Diego Comic Con 2012 teaser better?

:o

Quote from: The Joker on Fri, 13 Dec  2013, 21:13

Hmm ... Disappointed as in just flat out disappointed?

Or disappointed cause you liked that leaked San Diego Comic Con 2012 teaser better?

:o

Uh-huh plus i had a dream similar like the offical teaser trailer a few months ago...guess i foresaw the future.  :(

Oh & before we discuss further about my dream i had joker my showa era friend did you know that toho is doing an offical sequel to godzilla vs hedorah in japan?Except godzilla isn't gonna be in it.

You know, I had read that somewhere, but the posters over at TohoKingdom forums seem to be very skeptical about that film ever happening. The consensus seems to be that it's just going to be alot of talk. Much like that Godzilla 3D project from some years back that had the director of Hedorah attached.

Guess we'll see.

Oh, and about your dream, that's funny. You'll have to let me know if you have any of Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. Especially if it's months prior to a officially released trailer.  :D

Sorry bud but i can only dream about something i really like & want to see real badly. :P
But anyways if toho comfirms the film are you gonna see it even though godzilla isn't gonna be in it?

Well, jeez pal. That really limits asking you anything.  :D

With Hedorah? Sure I'll check it out. Should be kinda interesting to see that multi-formed pile of pollution in a solo movie .... However, will there be psychedelic club scenes with fish head people dancing the night away??

*Sighs*
man i just got back from reading peoples reactions/comment about the godzilla trailer & it just shows how little respect they have for our favorite fire breathing dinosaur...they even called him a f*@cking lizard  >:(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuEa6Hum0b4&list=FLSuPogjSvr2WcoFhdi_QCUw&index=2
Now in all seriousness...i hope they'll re-create this awesome scene in the godzilla 2014 sequels somewhere  :P

As silly as Godzilla vs Megalon is, it's one of the films in the series that has the distinction of being one of the most watched Godzilla movies in the states. Thanks in large part to the advertising campaign that was put in motion during the late 1970's, which featured stuff like "Godzilla for President", John Belushi, in a Godzilla costume, hosting a prime time NBC airing of the film, and posters featuring Godzilla and Megalon battling on top of the World Trade Center (something that's not in the movie, but more of a throw back to the 1976 Dino De Laurentiis King Kong remake).

However, Megalon also has the distinction within the fan base of being one of the lesser Godzilla films during the Showa era as well. As budgets and such was becoming less and less at this point in the franchise. Not surprisingly, it's also one of the Godzilla films that has been featured on MST3000 as well. But having said that, I think there's a good deal of nostalgia that goes along with Megalon as well. Being that it was, by far, one of the most available films in the series during the days of VHS. Plus, you know, Jet Jaguar is awesome.

Umm wow uh thanks for the history lesson joker  :P

No problemo.

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So joker let me ask you...what was your reaction when you heard legendary picture acquired the rights from toho to produced an american reboot to the godzilla franchise years ago?

I would say "hopeful" was my initial reaction. Legendary has a pretty decent track record, and I think a big budget Hollywood reboot is essentially what Toho wanted for the big G's 60th anniversary. Provided it's much more faithful than the 1998 effort. Which, I don't think, will be much of an issue. Devlin/Emmerich clearly wanted to re-invent Godzilla with their film, and I believe even stated they were not fans of the franchise, where following interviews with Gareth Edwards, it's clear that he is indeed a fan, and going off the trailer (and MONSTERS), I can say I dig his directorial style as well.

Very optimistic now.

Well my real reaction to the news was like "FINALLY" cause i knew with legendary pictures doing the film along with the help with from warner bros i had high hopes that they would give godzilla the treatment he desperately deserves after 1998 failure & gain wider recognition & respect as one of the greatest monsters of all time.
:D
But if they fail i'm gonna loose fate in humanity as this is the second time my hero is gonna be made outside of japan & made by hollywood so legendary you better not messed up  >:( otherwise your gonna have angry g-fans on your a$$

I can understand being very apprehensive following what happened with the 1998 TriStar effort, but I truly think Toho had a tighter leash on this production, and wasn't going to go along with such dramatic changes. To be honest, I think alot of folks learned from their mistakes and wasn't looking for a repeat.

Godzilla 1998 is one of those films that actually turned a very healthy profit, but it didn't take too long to see that it wasn't at all creatively satisfying for the people involved. Toho turned out Godzilla 2000 just one year later (it came out in Japan in 1999, 2000 for the States), which was their way of dismissing the Devlin/Emmerich film, and there never was a sequel despite the profits. Largely due to the backlash the film got upon arrival. Which was very much justified.

The Legendary film seems to be hitting the right points with the recent trailer, along with re-establishing Godzilla as a monster that is more of a force of nature. Which is the complete opposite of what we got in 1998, which was much more a Beast of 20,000 Fathoms/monster on the loose than anything resembling what we all know Godzilla should be.

Dang man you sure know how to put down a speech about history & everything  :P you ever think about writing a novel?I'd bet it'd be a best seller & probably would be made into a movie by peter jackson or someone  :D

but in all seriousness though the 1998 film did spawn a sequel & it was called godzilla the animated series & i gotta be honest the son was more of a godzilla then his mother was which btw was revealed in the show that first zilla that attacked new york was confirmed to be a female not a male anyways the cartoon is what the movie should have been with zilla acting like godzilla by destroying buildings,fighting the army,& use godzilla's trademark weaponry oh & fighting other giant monsters!  >:( & i agree legendary pictures seems to have everything right but my question is are they gonna do an entire series of godzilla films like toho did or do it how hollywood has done & turn it into a trilogy?

Oh, I don't mind giving the history lessons, and will give them if you ask for 'em or not. I refer back to "The More You Know" image.  ;D

Never really had thoughts about writing any sort of novel since reading American Psycho by Bret Easton Ellis. That pretty much says it all right there.  ;D

I also never considered a animated series, following a live action film, a sequel as I would a spin off at best. As you could imagine if there had actually BEEN a sequel, the chances of the events that transpired during the animated series being in any way acknowledged, would be slim to none.

As far as a trilogy, that's probably going to be the case as far as Gareth Edwards is concerned, as I'm sure he'll want to tackle other projects at some point. Though it certainly could go beyond a third film if the 2014 warrants further sequels. There's a wealth of material from the Showa/Heisei/Millennium eras to take from for sure.

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Well it's funny you should say that cause the guys who were behind the animated series were the director & producer of zilla 1998 like literally they were also behind the story of each episode so it was like them redeeming themselves & owing the fans for what they did to our hero in the 1998 film also IF they did make a sequel to both the film & animated series back when the show was on they would have mentioning past events from the animated series & 1998 film oh & just a fun little triva back when the movie was released in 98 sony was already planning to make a trilogy based on zilla & the enemies that were gonna be in the sequels from i remember was mothra & cyber-zilla aka mechagodzilla  :P

& as for Gareth Edwards if he doesn't plan to make sequels after his first film i wouldn't mind letting someon else taking the lead in directing godzilla sequels however i just hope michael bay doesn't get involved...i have nothing against the guy but when watching his transformers movies which i love btw despite their flaws i just wished he'd focus mostly on the autobots & the decepticons rather then the goofy humans anyways anyone except him is fine just as long they're godzilla fans....buuuut i really hope peter jackson & gareth will work together in a certain sequel that would be greatest sequel to our americanized hero.  8)

You may be giving Devlin/Emmerich more credit than what is actually deserved. As I've read stories that, unlike Devlin/Emmerich, who didn't understand the appeal of the old Godzilla films, and had zero interest in honoring almost everything that had came before, there were indeed some fans of Godzilla on the staff for the animated series. One being story editor Bob Skir (who co-wrote the 1st episode).

The fact that GODZILLA: THE SERIES was a cartoon spin-off from the movie, and therefore had to use the look of the monster from the film, was understandable, but from what I understand, Bob had Zilla (or Godzilla if you will) using the 'ol radioactive breath, to which, and not surprisingly, Dean Devlin objected to. Bob refused to take out the radioactive breath since Godzilla always has had it and therefore fans would naturally expect to see it. Devlin relented only because Bob stood his ground. Clearly, a example of one guy "getting" Godzilla and the other one ... not so much.   :-\

Though I have to give props to Dean Devlin for atleast owning up to the failure of the 1998. Stating the problem was largely the script. Something of which he spoke about back in 2011.

Leaked Godzilla Toy/Book set that's due out in March/April.

Apparently it's going to run around $10.

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*sighs*once again joker you put me in my place  :P
& as for the toy i already seen it weeks ago but thought it was fake but to my surprise it's the real deal however the only problem i have with it is godzillas feet...i mean damn. ???

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Wed,  1 Jan  2014, 23:13
*sighs*once again joker you put me in my place  :P
& as for the toy i already seen it weeks ago but thought it was fake but to my surprise it's the real deal however the only problem i have with it is godzillas feet...i mean damn. ???

It's cool you're passionate about the animated series. That's one series that sincerely needs to be put on DVD, and not in "Best Of" collections, but the ENTIRE/COMPLETE series. Hopefully that, along with a proper Godzilla 1985 release, along with some re-issued Godzilla films from the Showa/Heisei eras (some I think are OOP and are getting expensive), will come about around the time Legendary's film is released.

Or at the very least, especially if it's successful, around the DVD/Blu Ray release.

Yeah, I'm not sure what to think about the feet either .... I think the back dorsal plates seemed kinda scaled down as well from what I remember from the trailer ... though it does appear that Godzilla will be retaining the Toho thunder thighs ... probably not the most detailed toy we're going to see for sure.  ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChYg2wYDwFg&list=FLSuPogjSvr2WcoFhdi_QCUw&index=365

I always got a kick out of Minya/Minilla.  :D

Just for fun, here's a rare poster featuring Godzilla's son taking the title of what is otherwise known as "Godzilla's Revenge", or "All Monsters Attack". Apparently, it's unknown how many theaters showed the film with the MINYA title, but it's assumed to have had a very, very limited number of showings.

Notice the Big G's son blowing smoke rings in front of the kid. Show off.


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Hey joker sorry for not being on for past few weeks i uh...been kinda busy anyways great find on the minya poster
i swear i never knew the little dude was famous enough to get his poster without his daddy then again this was back in the 70s right?So minya could have been popular at that time.

Ooooh come on i bet the kid could do something just as awesome like ummmm burp his abc's?Oooooor i dunno something.XD

Btw joker i need to ask you something cause this has been bothering me ever since legendary picture annouced that godzilla would be fighting 2 monster a spider known by fans as muto & the giant Centipede which has yet to be named i find myself questioning is godzilla in the 2014 film gonna be a hero or be a villain like he was in the early heisei films I.E Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah & Godzilla & Mothra : Battle for earth where he was still the baddie but also battled other monsters who were villains as well?  :-\

Oh & btw what do you think of the idea centipede from being one of bagan's forms?
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Since bagan in his early stages can shapeshift at will all we can know is that maybe the centipede in the movie could bagan just cleverly disguised as a bug but in the final he reveals his true form kinda like how the ufo from godzilla 2000 transformed into orga.  ???

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Sun, 12 Jan  2014, 01:06
Hey joker sorry for not being on for past few weeks i uh...been kinda busy anyways great find on the minya poster
i swear i never knew the little dude was famous enough to get his poster without his daddy then again this was back in the 70s right?So minya could have been popular at that time.

Ooooh come on i bet the kid could do something just as awesome like ummmm burp his abc's?Oooooor i dunno something.XD

No problem. I haven't been on alot either as of late. Been working alot of double shifts, and just haven't had any time ....

Yeah, the interesting thing about that MINYA poster, was this would have been after SON OF GODZILLA. Which makes the whole thing pretty redundant since all that's going on is the name MINYA being slapped on above the SON OF GODZILLA title once again. Very understandable why they chose to ditch that title, despite the little tyke playing a large role in the film itself. However, a title like GODZILLA'S REVENGE is even more perplexing since it's not at all a revenge type story, and largely one with lots and lots of stock footage.

But hey, Godzilla was renamed Gigantis at one point, so how surprised can anyone be at odd Godzilla film titles, right?  :D   

QuoteBtw joker i need to ask you something cause this has been bothering me ever since legendary picture annouced that godzilla would be fighting 2 monster a spider known by fans as muto & the giant Centipede which has yet to be named i find myself questioning is godzilla in the 2014 film gonna be a hero or be a villain like he was in the early heisei films I.E Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah & Godzilla & Mothra : Battle for earth where he was still the baddie but also battled other monsters who were villains as well?  :-\

From what I understand, they are going for more of a Heisei Godzilla approach.

QuoteOh & btw what do you think of the idea centipede from being one of bagan's forms?
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Since bagan in his early stages can shapeshift at will all we can know is that maybe the centipede in the movie could bagan just cleverly disguised as a bug but in the final he reveals his true form kinda like how the ufo from godzilla 2000 transformed into orga.  ???

Could work I guess. Sure.

Yeah i guess however i was pissed when i got godzilla raids again both english & japanese dub in 1 disc mainly cause how the us dub changed the title & try to make godzila a different monster with anguirus roars however despite that little mess up i did enjoy the film somewhat mainly cause this was the godzilla first film where godzilla fought another monster who was his buddy anguirus...who he killed...burtally....with blood on his teeth...& burnt the corpse  ??? but thank goodness he resurrected himself in later sequels with no grudge against his good pal godzilla :P oh btw which reminds from what i heard the reason godzilla & anguirus hated each other in the film is because anguirus said something about godzilla's mother & got pissed...crazy huh? XD


Hey joker another question have you ever played any godzilla games?

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Wed, 15 Jan  2014, 06:52
Yeah i guess however i was pissed when i got godzilla raids again both english & japanese dub in 1 disc mainly cause how the us dub changed the title & try to make godzila a different monster with anguirus roars however despite that little mess up i did enjoy the film somewhat mainly cause this was the godzilla first film where godzilla fought another monster who was his buddy anguirus...who he killed...burtally....with blood on his teeth...& burnt the corpse  ??? but thank goodness he resurrected himself in later sequels with no grudge against his good pal godzilla :P oh btw which reminds from what i heard the reason godzilla & anguirus hated each other in the film is because anguirus said something about godzilla's mother & got pissed...crazy huh? XD

Oh, sure. The audio mix ups with the roars in GRA/Gigantis is headache-inducing for hardcore Godzilla fans, but I agree it's fun for what it is. I think there's also a theory that the Anguirus that appears latter is more or less the twin to the one featured in GRA. Much like how the Godzilla that appears in the second film, ends up being THE Godzilla for the remainder of the Showa era, rather than the original 1954 Godzilla. Which I guess is understandable, since that Godzilla was killed off in a rather definitive way.

I remember reading  that during the Heisei era, there were plans for Godzilla to tackle the original 1954 Godzilla in a "vs. Ghost Godzilla" film, but following MechaGodzilla, and Space-Godzilla, Toho decided for a different approach. Though later in the Millennium series, there was the Kiryu-MechaGodzilla. Which was a mecha built around the bones of the 1954 Godzilla. So the idea wasn't completely scrapped, but you may already know all of that.

QuoteHey joker another question have you ever played any godzilla games?

I'm honestly not a big gamer. Truthfully, the only Godzilla game I remember playing is the old NES game.  :-[  :D

Hey joker i love godzilla so much that if they switched the roars around like give godzilla 2000's roar to godzilla 90's of course i'm gonna nitpick for continuity sake & love for my hero/villain :P however that's my main grip with the entire godzilla series cause they never explain where the second godzilla came from or anguirus or hell even baby godzilla cause through out all the godzilla movies from the showa to Millennium series they find a godzilla egg,they say it's related to godzilla yet it's not biological son...am i missing something here?Where do these eggs come from?Is there a mamazilla who's loosing her eggs or are they just random eggs that appear out of nowhere? ???

Oh & as for the godzilla game i think it's cool that you at least played the nes godzilla game which was "godzilla : monster of monsters" am i correct??Anyways i strongly consider you playing other godzilla games cause they have so much to offer & some of some of them take place after or between movies plus there are a few where you can play as the showa godzilla from the 50's-70 like for example here are some godzilla games i reccomend to buy or download for godzilla's sake  :D

Godzilla: Destroy All Monsters for snes
now this was never released in america for whatever reason even though nintendo power put in their top games soon to be released & can only be played on the super famicon aka the japanese version of the snes however if you can't afford to buy a famicon or snes or the game itself you can always download a snes emulator for free on any website & along with roms from rom websites.The game itself is a Tournament fighter with mostly all the toho  monsters from the godzilla movies such as Anguirus,King Ghidorah,Gigan,Mechagodzilla,Biollante,Mothra,& Mechagodzilla 2 & it's fun game but it's kinda hard but once you get use to the control & know to do combos your good.  ;)


Godzilla: Trading Battle for the Playstation
This is a weird one but creative,First off this has all of the toho monsters from every godzilla movie & non-godzilla movie but it's not a Tournament fighter but a card game/boardgame kinda like pokemon or yu-gi-oh mixed in with monopoly & note this game also has zilla in it making the second godzilla game to have zilla playable the other one is Godzilla Generations which you can only play as godzilla & destroy buildings anyways if you like games that involve strategies & thinking with godzilla in the mix then this is for you.

Godzilla: Domination for the Game Boy Advance
This game is fuuun i had so much playing game as a kid & even now it's still holds up today...well for me at least however there a minor differences between the american & the japanese version cause for one the japanese version has the Millennium version of godzilla,mothra,&mechagodzilla who are godzilla 2000 from tokyo sos cause of the scar on godzilla's chest,mechagodzilla 3 from godzilla x mechagodzilla & godzilla tokoy sos,& mothra who i assume is from gmk cause of her color pattern but besides that the game is a Tournament fighter & is really fun i won't ruin the story for you cause it'll reveal who's the badguy but trust me it's a shocker  ;D

Godzilla: Destroy All Monsters Melee for Gamecube & Xbox
Now the trailer for this game is awesome you gotta look it up & the game itself it fun too although the japanese version always has the best stuff but none the less the game is fun & is a Tournament fighter plus you can play with 4 other players for a real showdown or team up  ;D

Godzilla: Save the Earth Playstation 2 & Xbox
Okay this where godzilla games were starting to get better both in combat & controls also with this game it allows you to play as more monsters along with mini games,cinematic shots,& concept art & posters for godzilla final wars  ;D

Godzilla: Unleashed for the wii & ps2
STAY AWAY FROM THE PS2 VERSION IT'S A JUST REHASH VERSION OF GODZILLA SAVE THE EARTH BUT WITH THINGS TAKEN OUT THAT MADE GODZILLA SAVE THE EARTH THE BEST & ADDED LOCATIONS!!!...anyways i reccomend the wii version cause despite the ps2 the wii version has alot more to offer both in gameplay & monsters plus they even added more showa monsters including godzilla 1954  ;)

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Wed, 15 Jan  2014, 08:07
Hey joker i love godzilla so much that if they switched the roars around like give godzilla 2000's roar to godzilla 90's of course i'm gonna nitpick for continuity sake & love for my hero/villain :P however that's my main grip with the entire godzilla series cause they never explain where the second godzilla came from or anguirus or hell even baby godzilla cause through out all the godzilla movies from the showa to Millennium series they find a godzilla egg,they say it's related to godzilla yet it's not biological son...am i missing something here?Where do these eggs come from?Is there a mamazilla who's loosing her eggs or are they just random eggs that appear out of nowhere? ???

Yeah, it's an interesting question for sure. I know some fans have theorized that Minya could have been the offspring of species that were very similar to Godzilla, OR that he could have actually been the biological son of Godzilla. In that the original 1954 Godzilla was the female, and the 1955 GRA Godzilla, the male. If that's the case, it begs the question as to why the Minya egg took so long to hatch, but it's also worth pointing out that Minya, evidently, suffered from stunted growth, as he was still the same size in the 'future 1999' in "Destroy All Monsters". Which, chronologically, took place decades after his birth hatch. Perhaps giving something of an explanation for the delayed hatching from the egg.

No idea about where Godzilla Jr. came from in the Heisei era. Especially with all the changes with time/continuity that took place in "King Ghidorah". Because, if I am not mistaken, they basically erased Godzilla 1985 from ever having taken place....

Also, thanks for the info on the Godzilla games. I'll definitely have to check them out at some point. I remember The Angry Video Game Nerd did a humorous video going over the numerous Godzilla games, and pointing out that the latter ones were actually ... GOOD!  :o  ;D

Oh boy get ready for a little history lesson joker about the godzilla timeline  by your pal batman :P

Okay so as well already know that the Heisei era is a direct sequel to the first godzilla movie made in 1954 ignoring all the sequels that came after it so now that's established we can assume everything is fine & dandy & that godzilla still a force to be reckon with right?Well not quite cause when godzilla vs king ghidorah came out in 1991 the film alter godzilla's history greatly by removing him when the atom bomb hit on Hiroshima & nagaski in ww2 & replacing him with 3 cute little dorats who unfortunately get fused together by the bombing & end up becoming forever known as king ghidorah.Now since king ghidorah replaced godzilla in the timeline many fans speculate & analyze that godzilla was not truly removed from history cause during the film the heroes discuss about creating another godzilla by using nuclear bombs where the dinosaur was teleported when they removed him from lagas island in order to reborn godzilla BUT little that they know that the area where they transported godzilla had nuclear waste thanks to destoryed submarines & thus godzilla was reborn but there is a slight drawback since godzilla never appeared in 1954 it's safe to say that it took godzilla years to develop fully due to the lack of nuclear power around him & when the nuclear sub that was to resurrect him came it ended up powering up & making him more bigger & stronger hence why he towered the powerlines when came across him where in 1954 he was half their size.


Oh & as for minya i have theory about him being in the year 2000 in destory all monsters & being the same size
as he was in son of godzilla along with his parents.

Okay in son of godzilla it's clear that minya was born permaturely but survived his outcome even though he may have suffered abit of brain damage thanks to the Kamacuras & godzilla hitting his head when he walks away but despite all that he manages to grow up later thanks to godzilla's radiation & possibily the furit around the island & ends up impriniting godzilla as his father.Now for an explanation to where minya came from & who his biological parents are...okay from my years trying to find a link to where minya came i have came across a theory of mine that might explain where minya came from  & who his parents are like you said the godzilla that appeared in 1954 could have been a female & that the godzilla that appeared in 55 could have been the male however while that could be ture there is was one little error since godzilla is basically a descendant of t-rex there was always differences between male & female t-rexes like for example scientist have proven that the females was always bigger than male t-rex making them more threating than the male although the male was more agressive than the female anyways if we take that into account & compare the sizes between the 2 godzilla we'd see that they're both the same size with minor differences such dorsal fins & body weight but regardless it's possible that both are males.But even though it's nice theory about the 2 godzilla it isn't possible that any of them are females but let's not let that stop us cause heres another theory even though godzilla vs king ghidorah is part of a different timeline it does add details to godzilla's backstory & what he was before he was mutated & that is he was originally a dinosaur known as a godzillasaurs & in the film one of the vets mention that godzilla wasn't protecting this conrads during the war & that he was merely protecting his homeland from the soilders invading it.Now let's think about that for a moment he was godzillasaurs that was protecting his home from predators now doesn't seem a little off?Usually male t-rex's often protect their home ether from other t-rexs or when their mate is with their eggs in the nest so it possible there could have been more than one godzilla's 2 males & a female & that when bomb hit their home the female died but one of their eggs ( the surviving one) were swept away by ocean but still forming slowly thanks to radiation & after one of the godzillas became a godzilla he must have heard the cry of the baby from the egg & took it a island where it had a volcano to incubate & keep safe from harms way....what do you think joker?  :-X

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Wed, 15 Jan  2014, 22:35
Oh boy get ready for a little history lesson joker about the godzilla timeline  by your pal batman :P

Awesome!  ;D

QuoteOkay so as well already know that the Heisei era is a direct sequel to the first godzilla movie made in 1954 ignoring all the sequels that came after it so now that's established we can assume everything is fine & dandy & that godzilla still a force to be reckon with right?Well not quite cause when godzilla vs king ghidorah came out in 1991 the film alter godzilla's history greatly by removing him when the atom bomb hit on Hiroshima & nagaski in ww2 & replacing him with 3 cute little dorats who unfortunately get fused together by the bombing & end up becoming forever known as king ghidorah.Now since king ghidorah replaced godzilla in the timeline many fans speculate & analyze that godzilla was not truly removed from history cause during the film the heroes discuss about creating another godzilla by using nuclear bombs where the dinosaur was teleported when they removed him from lagas island in order to reborn godzilla BUT little that they know that the area where they transported godzilla had nuclear waste thanks to destoryed submarines & thus godzilla was reborn but there is a slight drawback since godzilla never appeared in 1954 it's safe to say that it took godzilla years to develop fully due to the lack of nuclear power around him & when the nuclear sub that was to resurrect him came it ended up powering up & making him more bigger & stronger hence why he towered the powerlines when came across him where in 1954 he was half their size.

Thanks for posting that. Yeah, I can't say I am hardcore fanatic with the Heisei films, as I am with the Showa era. Which is pretty much due to the simple fact of having grown up watching one series, and not being able to see the other until I was well into my teenage years. Here's a question, with the timeline being altered in such a way, does that result in Biollante being erased from the Heisei timeline?

QuoteOh & as for minya i have theory about him being in the year 2000 in destory all monsters & being the same size
as he was in son of godzilla along with his parents.

Okay in son of godzilla it's clear that minya was born permaturely but survived his outcome even though he may have suffered abit of brain damage thanks to the Kamacuras & godzilla hitting his head when he walks away but despite all that he manages to grow up later thanks to godzilla's radiation & possibily the furit around the island & ends up impriniting godzilla as his father.Now for an explanation to where minya came from & who his biological parents are...okay from my years trying to find a link to where minya came i have came across a theory of mine that might explain where minya came from  & who his parents are like you said the godzilla that appeared in 1954 could have been a female & that the godzilla that appeared in 55 could have been the male however while that could be ture there is was one little error since godzilla is basically a descendant of t-rex there was always differences between male & female t-rexes like for example scientist have proven that the females was always bigger than male t-rex making them more threating than the male although the male was more agressive than the female anyways if we take that into account & compare the sizes between the 2 godzilla we'd see that they're both the same size with minor differences such dorsal fins & body weight but regardless it's possible that both are males.But even though it's nice theory about the 2 godzilla it isn't possible that any of them are females but let's not let that stop us cause heres another theory even though godzilla vs king ghidorah is part of a different timeline it does add details to godzilla's backstory & what he was before he was mutated & that is he was originally a dinosaur known as a godzillasaurs & in the film one of the vets mention that godzilla wasn't protecting this conrads during the war & that he was merely protecting his homeland from the soilders invading it.Now let's think about that for a moment he was godzillasaurs that was protecting his home from predators now doesn't seem a little off?Usually male t-rex's often protect their home ether from other t-rexs or when their mate is with their eggs in the nest so it possible there could have been more than one godzilla's 2 males & a female & that when bomb hit their home the female died but one of their eggs ( the surviving one) were swept away by ocean but still forming slowly thanks to radiation & after one of the godzillas became a godzilla he must have heard the cry of the baby from the egg & took it a island where it had a volcano to incubate & keep safe from harms way....what do you think joker?  :-X

That's a valid theory for sure, especially when blending the two timelines together. I just never seem prone to want to do that due to the Heisei era ignoring so much material with GRA thru Terror of MechaGodzilla, which includes Minya's introduction.
Also, during the Showa era, there never really was a defintive answer to actually WHAT Godzilla is. For all we knew, Godzilla could have been an evolutionary hybrid. The Heisei series gave a more direct answer to this, but not so much with the Showa era. Which just provided theories, and nothing concrete. I think your theory with the son works very effectively with the Heisei era, and I can accept that. With the Showa era, I just tend to gravitate towards the '54 female Godzilla/'55 male Godzilla coupling and Minya actually being the biological son theory due to not being much on the the little tyke being so similar to his old man, and the would-be subtle nod to the film Rodan. Which featured both male and female mutated pterosaur's. With the male, like Godzilla, continuing onward.

It's like this joker since king ghidorah is both from the future & past he can't really exist in both timelines so if king ghidorah is killed by godzilla who is around both timelines as well thanks to the time travelers then godzilla's timeline is restored making the monster that appeared in 1954 godzilla not king ghidorah thus erasing everything that was changed back to order.  8)

Well there is bound be to a little mess up every now & then in both eras joker my friend i mean if you want want to believe that the 2 godzilla's from 54 & 55 were male & female & are the parents of minya then that's cool i accept that it's neat idea however it really changes the title for godzilla in 54 cause if the first godzilla was a female then the subtitle for the movie should be "Godesszilla : Queen of the monsters" or "Bride of godzilla"  :P & as for the rodans i never thought of it that way how there 2 of them & they're both parents so i guess the idea could apply for the 2 godzilla's as well.

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Thu, 16 Jan  2014, 01:37
It's like this joker since king ghidorah is both from the future & past he can't really exist in both timelines so if king ghidorah is killed by godzilla who is around both timelines as well thanks to the time travelers then godzilla's timeline is restored making the monster that appeared in 1954 godzilla not king ghidorah thus erasing everything that was changed back to order.  8)

Hmm, alright. That's actually pretty cool, especially in terms of the 1954 Godzilla being restored, as that has been a constant throughout the Toho films, is that the 1st appearance of Godzilla begins in 1954. Evidently, the 2014 Legendary film is keeping this going as well. Which is very cool.

QuoteWell there is bound be to a little mess up every now & then in both eras joker my friend i mean if you want want to believe that the 2 godzilla's from 54 & 55 were male & female & are the parents of minya then that's cool i accept that it's neat idea however it really changes the title for godzilla in 54 cause if the first godzilla was a female then the subtitle for the movie should be "Godesszilla : Queen of the monsters" or "Bride of godzilla"  :P & as for the rodans i never thought of it that way how there 2 of them & they're both parents so i guess the idea could apply for the 2 godzilla's as well.

If a female Godzilla is to be called Godesszilla, would that mean a female Godzillasaurus should have a variant feminesque name as well?   :)

Also, really no point in retconning the "King of the Monsters" subtitle, since A. it's a nice moniker, though should just be taken as nothing but a jab towards King Kong as no other monsters appear or are referenced, B. If we're looking at this literally, humans only had theories to Godzilla's origins anyways, and C. the americanization of Godzilla, which gave us the "King of the Monsters" title, also gave us the renaming of "Gigantis" as well. Which was nearly just going to be the "Volcano Monsters" at one point. So given that the americanization process can't even get the name and respect right, the idea that the assumption on the gender being wrong, isn't completely out of the question. ;)

QuoteIf a female Godzilla is to be called Godesszilla, would that mean a female Godzillasaurus should have a variant feminesque name as well?   :)

Nah same name still applies when comes to being a godzillasaurs mainly cause if we did that then we would have to come with female name equivalents for the other toho monsters that have 2 of the same species & that'll be a pain in the ass  :P let's just stick with godesszilla for the moment kay? ;)

QuoteAlso, really no point in retconning the "King of the Monsters" subtitle, since A. it's a nice moniker, though should just be taken as nothing but a jab towards King Kong as no other monsters appear or are referenced, B. If we're looking at this literally, humans only had theories to Godzilla's origins anyways, and C. the americanization of Godzilla, which gave us the "King of the Monsters" title, also gave us the renaming of "Gigantis" as well. Which was nearly just going to be the "Volcano Monsters" at one point. So given that the americanization process can't even get the name and respect right, the idea that the assumption on the gender being wrong, isn't completely out of the question. ;)

Agreed & when you have time wanna do a podcast about godzilla?Since we know alot about godzilla i thought it be cool if we webchat & talk about godzilla & the upcoming film.

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Sat, 18 Jan  2014, 01:19
Agreed & when you have time wanna do a podcast about godzilla?Since we know alot about godzilla i thought it be cool if we webchat & talk about godzilla & the upcoming film.

Could be fun I guess. Here lately my schedule often doesn't leave me with alot of net time. We'll see.

Been meaning to post this, but does anyone else kinda miss reading those outlandish (to say the very least)!, but completely hilarious headlines on the covers of those Weekly World News newspaper when having to stand in line at a grocery/retail store checkout aisle?

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Classic.  :D

I swear i gotta add some more clippings for my scrapbook but there's hardly anything worth adding now & days but damn i wish i had a printer cause i would soo add that little headline  :D
Hey joker listen i wanna say thanks for contributing to this thread & being a great friend cause most of my friends i've know for years are hardly ever on anymore & it gets lonesome being online with no one to talk & your the only friend i speak to alot whenever your on but anyways like i said thanks for adding all these amazing stuff & being a great friend.  :)

Hey likewise, man.  :)

I enjoy the conversations/banter, and I know if there's ever a question about the Heisei era in Godzilla films, you're the guy.  ;)

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Gah thanks joker your too kind  :P & same with you with the showa era if i ever have a question about the showa era i'll go to you for answers & history.  :D

I can't help but give some history lessons on Godzilla.

It's how I roll.

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Nice nice. :D

Oh btw remember when you asked me about minya in godzilla destroy all monsters & how he was able to in live in the year 2000?Well here's my answer sorry for not putting it in with my reply about where minya came from theory i just forgot  :-\ anyways the explanation on how minya was still alive in the year 2000 is simple....the godzilla in the movie IS minya & the minya with him is son!Think about even though minya has suffered alot during birth it doesn't really affect his growth infact let's have another example from the Heisei again like minya godzilla jr is the adopted son of godzilla but unlike minya & his father jr.'s father is more protective & would kill anyone who threatens or harms him in anyway as proven in both godzilla vs spacegodzilla & godzilla vs. destroyah where godzilla would rush out of the water from hearing his sons cries & kill the monster who hurts his boy,Plus if the same rules applies like in the Heisei series then the showa godzilla is still contaminated with nuclear power & is a walking hazard even though he is the hero cause when jr was born he was born as godzillsaurs not a true godzilla like his father but after the years have gone by jr started to grow fast up to the point where it was questionable on how he was able to grow up so fast but thanks to godzilla vs destoryah it was reveal that the reason why jr was growing up so fast & how he was an sem-adult in the movie is because of godzilla radiation!That's right everytime jr was around godzilla he absorbed some of his fathers radiation time to time & while eating fruits on the island as supplements like minya did & when godzilla died cause of his meltdown all the extra radiation he had within him was transferred to jr instead of turning tokyo into a wasteland where jr became a full grown godzilla.So it's safe to say the same rule could apply for the showa godzilla & might answer the question to why minya was still a baby in destory all monster & not grown up like his dad.  :)

Oh & i found this online about minya
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Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Mon, 20 Jan  2014, 10:45
Oh btw remember when you asked me about minya in godzilla destroy all monsters & how he was able to in live in the year 2000?Well here's my answer sorry for not putting it in with my reply about where minya came from theory i just forgot  :-\ anyways the explanation on how minya was still alive in the year 2000 is simple....the godzilla in the movie IS minya & the minya with him is son!Think about even though minya has suffered alot during birth it doesn't really affect his growth infact let's have another example from the Heisei again like minya godzilla jr is the adopted son of godzilla but unlike minya & his father jr.'s father is more protective & would kill anyone who threatens or harms him in anyway as proven in both godzilla vs spacegodzilla & godzilla vs. destroyah where godzilla would rush out of the water from hearing his sons cries & kill the monster who hurts his boy,Plus if the same rules applies like in the Heisei series then the showa godzilla is still contaminated with nuclear power & is a walking hazard even though he is the hero cause when jr was born he was born as godzillsaurs not a true godzilla like his father but after the years have gone by jr started to grow fast up to the point where it was questionable on how he was able to grow up so fast but thanks to godzilla vs destoryah it was reveal that the reason why jr was growing up so fast & how he was an sem-adult in the movie is because of godzilla radiation!That's right everytime jr was around godzilla he absorbed some of his fathers radiation time to time & while eating fruits on the island as supplements like minya did & when godzilla died cause of his meltdown all the extra radiation he had within him was transferred to jr instead of turning tokyo into a wasteland where jr became a full grown godzilla.So it's safe to say the same rule could apply for the showa godzilla & might answer the question to why minya was still a baby in destory all monster & not grown up like his dad.  :)

Oh & i found this online about minya
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Interesting theory for sure, and apologies for the late response.

But yeah, that would be an interesting twist to say Minya is THE Godzilla we see in DAM, but it really begs for a "Bride" movie to confirm it, and at that stage in the Showa era, that would mean that atleast 4 Godzilla's would have survived to modern day, and 5 if you count Minya the 2nd.

1. Godzilla 1954
2. Godzilla 1955
3. Minya
4. Bride of Minya
5. Son of Minya

I mean, it's a pretty neat twist to have that, but on the other hand, it would mean multiple Godzilla's having survived into modern day, and I've never been too hot on that notion, as I think two adult Godzilla's is really pushing it. Plus, the more there are around, the further, I think, Godzilla is made less unique as a result. Still, I kinda like the idea on the surface, and i would be lying if I said I wish the Heisei series would have continued on after Destroyah with Jr. in his father's role . I think some interesting stuff could have been done there....

Some new images of the new Godzilla appearance.

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The trailer for Godzilla was excellent. The 2001 music really piled on the dread. The monster itself looks massive.

Joker, any idea how this film could end? I think past movies have had him slink away back to the ocean, etc. Could that happen again here, or could he be taken out in combat?

QuoteInteresting theory for sure, and apologies for the late response.

But yeah, that would be an interesting twist to say Minya is THE Godzilla we see in DAM, but it really begs for a "Bride" movie to confirm it, and at that stage in the Showa era, that would mean that atleast 4 Godzilla's would have survived to modern day, and 5 if you count Minya the 2nd.

1. Godzilla 1954
2. Godzilla 1955
3. Minya
4. Bride of Minya
5. Son of Minya

I mean, it's a pretty neat twist to have that, but on the other hand, it would mean multiple Godzilla's having survived into modern day, and I've never been too hot on that notion, as I think two adult Godzilla's is really pushing it. Plus, the more there are around, the further, I think, Godzilla is made less unique as a result. Still, I kinda like the idea on the surface

Thanks joker & it's okay we have much to do in life & hardly have time for ourselves  :P

& as for the bride of minya & other sruviving godzillas i don't think we have to worry about that joker cause it's possible that the 2nd minya in DAM could be a clone of the first minya i mean think about minya could have been a pre-teen when godzilla died ether from his meltdown or another cause that might have killed him & fearing that minya's loss could twist his young mind & lead him to the path of being a villian like the first godzilla in 1954 the scientists of tokyo could have cloned him a son using godzilla cells from ether minya or godzilla as there is many possible ways to obtain DNA from ether godzillas without really trying cause if i recalled in the showa films godzilla got cut & shot at that caused him shoot out alot of blood like a freaking hose not to mention there's also that one godzilla cell they found in 1954 when the scientists when to that island where godzilla first attacked & having found both cells & seas creatures from the dinosaur age.

Quote, and i would be lying if I said I wish the Heisei series would have continued on after Destroyah with Jr. in his father's role . I think some interesting stuff could have been done there....

True there are alot of interesting ways they could continue the Heisei series further into final wars as that film is claim to be a sequel to godzilla vs destoryah but there would be rather major differences to the heisei series both in tone & godzilla himself cause as we all know that JR is peaceful monster like minya from the showa series & doesn't like to fight unless the moment calls for plus he was raised by a female scientist who i forgotten her name  :-[ & the psychic miki (who by using her psychic powers understands why godzilla destroys & how he feels making the only character in all of the godzilla series close to the king) when he was born so he already imprinted them as his surrogate mothers not only that but learned that not all humans are evil something godzilla slowly learned when he adopted jr from his moms also with that in mind it the heisei series would probably would have been like the godzilla animated series following the humans abit more but also having miki or the other girl call out to jr when ether tokyo is in trouble or when they are attacked by another monsters like gigan & megalon (come on like it wouldn't have been cool to see these 2 back in the heisei series) but then again i could be wrong but it's still something to keep in mind cause of how different jr was to godzilla but regardless it would have been neat for jr to have his own series & fight monsters from the showa series.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 29 Jan  2014, 06:43
The trailer for Godzilla was excellent. The 2001 music really piled on the dread. The monster itself looks massive.

Joker, any idea how this film could end? I think past movies have had him slink away back to the ocean, etc. Could that happen again here, or could he be taken out in combat?

Hey TDK, with the Mutos being a factor in the new film (making Godzilla something that could be considered a anti-hero), I think you're right in that the film will probably end in some fashion similar, or perhaps alot like a Toho Godzilla film, where we see Godzilla slink away back to the ocean. Leaving the film with a ominous conclusion where humankind is left to wonder just when/where Godzilla will resurface.

Quote from: The Joker on Wed, 29 Jan  2014, 09:56
I think you're right in that the film will probably end in some fashion similar, or perhaps alot like a Toho Godzilla film, where we see Godzilla slink away back to the ocean. Leaving the film with a ominous conclusion where humankind is left to wonder just when/where Godzilla will resurface.

I think that would be for the best.

I like the antihero angle as well. The Wikipedia entry for Godzilla summarises it nicely.

QuoteAlthough Godzilla does not like humans, it will fight alongside humanity against common threats. However, it makes no special effort to protect human life or property and will turn against its human allies on a whim.

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Wed, 29 Jan  2014, 09:21
Thanks joker & it's okay we have much to do in life & hardly have time for ourselves  :P

& as for the bride of minya & other sruviving godzillas i don't think we have to worry about that joker cause it's possible that the 2nd minya in DAM could be a clone of the first minya i mean think about minya could have been a pre-teen when godzilla died ether from his meltdown or another cause that might have killed him & fearing that minya's loss could twist his young mind & lead him to the path of being a villian like the first godzilla in 1954 the scientists of tokyo could have cloned him a son using godzilla cells from ether minya or godzilla as there is many possible ways to obtain DNA from ether godzillas without really trying cause if i recalled in the showa films godzilla got cut & shot at that caused him shoot out alot of blood like a freaking hose not to mention there's also that one godzilla cell they found in 1954 when the scientists when to that island where godzilla first attacked & having found both cells & seas creatures from the dinosaur age.

I like the thought you put into this, and it sounds like something that could work.  ;)

If Godzilla had enjoyed a long running comic book series, I'm talking one that started in the 70s or 80's, and was never cancelled, I could see a storyline like this being implemented.

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True there are alot of interesting ways they could continue the Heisei series further into final wars as that film is claim to be a sequel to godzilla vs destoryah but there would be rather major differences to the heisei series both in tone & godzilla himself cause as we all know that JR is peaceful monster like minya from the showa series & doesn't like to fight unless the moment calls for plus he was raised by a female scientist who i forgotten her name  :-[ & the psychic miki (who by using her psychic powers understands why godzilla destroys & how he feels making the only character in all of the godzilla series close to the king) when he was born so he already imprinted them as his surrogate mothers not only that but learned that not all humans are evil something godzilla slowly learned when he adopted jr from his moms also with that in mind it the heisei series would probably would have been like the godzilla animated series following the humans abit more but also having miki or the other girl call out to jr when ether tokyo is in trouble or when they are attacked by another monsters like gigan & megalon (come on like it wouldn't have been cool to see these 2 back in the heisei series) but then again i could be wrong but it's still something to keep in mind cause of how different jr was to godzilla but regardless it would have been neat for jr to have his own series & fight monsters from the showa series.

Yeah, although I like what we got out of the Millennium era, it would have been definitely cool to have seen Jr. continue on the Heisei continuity and get a solid run as Godzilla. Just further establishing how Jr.'s personality/character differs from his pops sounds interesting enough, not to mention how the absorbing of Godzilla's radiation may have changed him as well. Just a missed opportunity thru and thru. Oh, and I'm with you on it being cool to have seen a Heisei Gigan or Megalon. To be honest, if Jr. would have received a film series, one of the monsters I would have anticipated would have been Gabara from All Montsers Attack/Godzilla's Revenge.

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What a bully this beast was.  ;)

QuoteI like the thought you put into this, and it sounds like something that could work.  ;)

Heheh thanks joker  8)

QuoteIf Godzilla had enjoyed a long running comic book series, I'm talking one that started in the 70s or 80's, and was never cancelled, I could see a storyline like this being implemented

Oh speaking about the comic book godzilla i'm a little confused with his origins because is this godzilla the one from the films or a different godzilla that marvel created just to have their own godzilla?

QuoteYeah, although I like what we got out of the Millennium era, it would have been definitely cool to have seen Jr. continue on the Heisei continuity and get a solid run as Godzilla. Just further establishing how Jr.'s personality/character differs from his pops sounds interesting enough, not to mention how the absorbing of Godzilla's radiation may have changed him as well. Just a missed opportunity thru and thru. Oh, and I'm with you on it being cool to have seen a Heisei Gigan or Megalon. To be honest, if Jr. would have received a film series, one of the monsters I would have anticipated would have been Gabara from All Montsers Attack/Godzilla's Revenge.

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What a bully this beast was.  ;)

Glad we're on the same page on everything joker but as for gabara i dunno it would be weird to have him back in the Heisei series all updated & redone for continuity sake but having him as a solo villain would be off as he only picked on minya in the showa mainly cause how he was just a kid & was easy to pick on plus he hardly fights anyone his own size IE godzilla except for that moment in godzilla's revenge where gabara being a sore looser picks a fight godzilla just to be a dick so i don't see how he could fit in with JR's movies unless JR finds & adopts a minya or minilla as he is called in final wars just like how his dad found him cause that's the only way i could see him work as solo villain & being usable. :-\

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Wed, 29 Jan  2014, 10:39
Oh speaking about the comic book godzilla i'm a little confused with his origins because is this godzilla the one from the films or a different godzilla that marvel created just to have their own godzilla?

Marvel's version is definitely based on Toho's Godzilla, but there's enough differences to make Marvel's Godzilla it's own entity. As Marvel's Godzilla was later mutated just so the creature could make some more appearances following the Toho license expiring.  ;)

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Glad we're on the same page on everything joker but as for gabara i dunno it would be weird to have him back in the Heisei series all updated & redone for continuity sake but having him as a solo villain would be off as he only picked on minya in the showa mainly cause how he was just a kid & was easy to pick on plus he hardly fights anyone his own size IE godzilla except for that moment in godzilla's revenge where gabara being a sore looser picks a fight godzilla just to be a dick so i don't see how he could fit in with JR's movies unless JR will find adopts a minya or minilla as he is called in final wars cause that's the only way i could see him work as solo villain & being usable. :-\

That's the beauty of a different continuity/timeline, you don't have to adhere exactly to the previous incarnation. With Gabara, there's definitely room for improvement, and it would be interesting to see the monster as an living, breathing, threat; rather than simply appearing in the dreams of a child bullying Minya. But yeah, I always considered Gabara to be Minya's arch-nemesis during the Showa timeline. As it's evident Gabara has quite a distaste, and thoroughly enjoys bullying Minya around. An actual epic battle between the two, even in a different timeline, would have been satisfying to see. Course, if they wanted to keep Gabara in dreamland, he could be re-interpreted as a Freddy Krueger-like monster Jr. would have to deal with. Which definitely has possibilities.

QuoteMarvel's version is definitely based on Toho's Godzilla, but there's enough differences to make Marvel's Godzilla it's own entity. As Marvel's Godzilla was later mutated just so the creature could make some more appearances following the Toho license expiring.  ;)

...well played marvel well played.  8)

Quoteif they wanted to keep Gabara in dreamland, he could be re-interpreted as a Freddy Krueger-like monster Jr. would have to deal with. Which definitely has possibilities.

Huh i guess that could work but i wonder how they'll kill him off though  :-\

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Wed, 29 Jan  2014, 11:23
Huh i guess that could work but i wonder how they'll kill him off though  :-\

If we're talking keeping Gabara as a dream monster, they could always use the old "lure the beast out into the real world" technique, or perhaps have Jr.'s behavior become erratic on a whim, which is eventually revealed to be caused by Jr. battling Gabara for control of his body in his mind, eventually forcing Gabara out. Or ... use some sort of plot device that allows the idea of Gabara being subdued/contained within Jr.'s subconscious. Thus imprisoned in Jr.'s psyche, but of course, not completely dead. Kinda like what Marvel does with a villainous Hulk incarnation within Banner's mind.  ;)

Joker my friend you are a genius with these plots  ;D but y'know talking about jr's own movie series is alot of fun wanna keep talking about more sequels?  :)

LOL I know other people can come up with better stuff than my simple plots.  ::)  :D

Sure, but might have to wait till this weekend. Got a few long days ahead of me now.  :(  ;D

Well okay in the mean time i'll post this when you come back joker  :P

-JR'S MOVIES-
Godzilla vs megalon remake (just to have both megalon,gigan,& jet jaguar together again both updated & redone)
Godzilla vs hedorah remake (we need to see more of this creature)
Godzilla vs bagan (just an excuse to have a super godzilla movie  :P)
Godzilla vs mechagodzilla 3 (basically it's mechagodzilla 2 but was rebuilt by a an evil race of aliens from planet X that wanna take control of earth & kill godzilla OH & mechagodzilla 2 also resembles the original mechagodzilla from the showa just more alien-like since it was rebuilt)
Godzilla vs mecha-kong (kinda obvious  :P)
Godzilla on monster island (just a fun movie where Jr befriends other toho monsters from the showa series  ;) )
Destroy all monsters remake (except more focus on the monsters  :D)

Whenever you get the time, you should do some mock photoshop poster's of Godzilla Jr. Heisei movies.

Could be fun. Just sayin'.  8)

I'll probably do it eventually just gotta find decent some heisei godzilla & showa monsters pictures & modified them so they can resemble both jr all grown up & update the showa monsters  :P but in the mean time what do you think about my list?  :)

List is cool.  8)

It's kinda perplexing that Megalon never got revamped or re-appeared in the Heisei/Millennium realities, if even just because of name value due to that film being one of the better known Godzilla films in the world. Also, I like the Mechani Kong idea. That's another I wouldn't mind seeing brought back at some point. 

QuoteIt's kinda perplexing that Megalon never got revamped or re-appeared in the Heisei/Millennium realities

I dunno if i answered this in another thread or maybe i posted something it on another website but just to be safe there is a small possibility that megalon could have been in the Millennium series cause in the opening of godzilla final wars where godzilla gets trapped in the ice there was lighting coming out of the ice when the earthquake hit & i'm no scientist or anything but i'm sure lighting doesn't appear out of the ground when a earthquake hits  :P but anyways it's my understanding that the earthquake could have been caused by megalon as he is the 2nd burrowing type monster monster with the power lighting to do that not only that but the Millennium series is the 2nd series to bring back showa monsters again in sequels with godzilla like godzilla vs. mechagodzilla 3,gmk,& final wars all with showa monsters.

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QuoteIt's kinda perplexing that Megalon never got revamped or re-appeared in the Heisei/Millennium realities

I dunno if i answered this in another thread or maybe i posted something it on another website but just to be safe there is a small possibility that megalon could have been in the Millennium series cause in the opening of godzilla final wars where godzilla gets trapped in the ice there was lighting coming out of the ice when the earthquake hit & i'm no scientist or anything but i'm sure lighting doesn't appear out of the ground when a earthquake hits  :P but anyways it's my understanding that the earthquake could have been caused by megalon as he is the 2nd burrowing type monster monster with the power lighting to do that not only that but the Millennium series is the 2nd series to bring back showa monsters again in sequels with godzilla like godzilla vs. mechagodzilla 3,gmk,& final wars all with showa monsters.

You know, I think I read somewhere that Megalon was intended to be in FINAL WARS, but was excluded at some point during production. So it could be something to that. Plus, to be perfectly honest, there was a consensus of fans who thought FW was tied into the Showa Universe, but I think Toho struck that notion down and stated that FW was more of an homage, and not directly involved with the Showa films.

With the redesign of Gigan in FW being pretty spectacular, would have loved to have seen how/if Megalon would have appeared.

Ah joker finally i was beginning to miss you  :P

QuotePlus, to be perfectly honest, there was a consensus of fans who thought FW was tied into the Showa Universe, but I think Toho struck that notion down and stated that FW was more of an homage, and not directly involved with the Showa films.

You know i can see that FW was a homage to showa series mainly cause FW was clearly a remake of destroy all monsters but as a tie in to the showa series is waaaay off partly cause of continuity problems & questions about where the hell the other showa monsters were during the events of each godzilla movie in the Millennium Series as none of the films makes any reference to them or about monster island where all of the godzilla monsters live but then again like you said "Toho struck that notion down and stated that FW was more of an homage, and not directly involved with the Showa films." so i guess we don't have question it but it's still a mystery where they all came from not only that but if FW was a tie in the showa series how come the godzilla in the film had flashbacks of godzilla vs destroyah of jr all grown?....could it be that the film was intended to jr's movie?

Was the flashback you are referring to during that quick-cut opening title sequence at the beginning of FW? It's been a few years since I've seen FW, and don't recall any specific Destroyah flashback, unless of course it was during that opening title sequence ..... which if so, I wouldn't read too much into it. As it just came across as a celebratory clip show for the-then 50th anniversary of Godzilla, and the continuities that are apart of the history.

Since I have Gigs and Megs is on my mind, here's a pic for fun.  ;)

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QuoteWas the flashback you are referring to during that quick-cut opening title sequence at the beginning of FW? It's been a few years since I've seen FW, and don't recall any specific Destroyah flashback, unless of course it was during that opening title sequence ..... which if so, I wouldn't read too much into it. As it just came across as a celebratory clip show for the-then 50th anniversary of Godzilla, and the continuities that are apart of the history.

Okay a little update director Ryuhei Kitamura the man who directed final wars intentionally wanted final wars to be a sequel to godzilla vs destroyah because after the opening title sequence where godzilla has that flashback of jr all grown up it turns out the godzilla in the film is acutally jr & that monster x's role was actually meant to be destroyah's moment just to make the final battle abit more personal for both jr & destroyah but thanks to toho interfering they had to change the script to the way it was as the movie came out but little did they know Ryuhei kept the original opening same way as he intended so basically despite the changes done godzilla in final wars is clearly jr all grown up oh & i also read that in the final battle between godzilla vs kaizer ghidorah Rodan, Anguirus, and King Caesar were actually suppose to help godzilla fight him as they were both free from the Xilien control thanks to godzilla's help plus in the behind the scene feature on the dvd it shows the monsters with godzilla fighting kaizer ghidorah on set but for whatever reason they cut them out of the final battle in the final cut.

Appreciate the info.

I was not aware of any of that.

Too bad the grown up Junior vs. Destroyah match didn't transpire, that would have been interesting to say the least. Another one of those "what might have been" ideas.

No problem & like you said
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& i agree i think Jr fighting destroyah again in final wars would have made the movie abit more enjoyable i mean i love the film as is but having destroyah come back & trying to take revenge on JR would have been something to see as destroyah is the doomsday to godzilla.

Indeed. It's one of those concepts that us fans will wonder about, but will never (or atleast anytime soon) see fully realized. Similar to Steve Miner's GODZILLA 3D, Jan De Bont's 1994 GODZILLA, vs. Ghost Godzilla, the once-proposed sequel to the 1998 Godzilla film, and the list goes on and on ....  :-\  ::)

Oh, I recently found this while surfing around.

Nice artwork of the classic giants of celluloid.   ;)


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& once again godzilla remains king above of all his fellow japanese & american companions  :D both in power & size  ;)

QuoteIndeed. It's one of those concepts that us fans will wonder about, but will never (or atleast anytime soon) see fully realized. Similar to Steve Miner's GODZILLA 3D, Jan De Bont's 1994 GODZILLA, vs. Ghost Godzilla, the once-proposed sequel to the 1998 Godzilla film, and the list goes on and on ....

& on & on & on  :-[ man i hope one day ether toho or hollywood will make these films come to life that way put these babies in our collection

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Sun, 16 Feb  2014, 04:28
& once again godzilla remains king above of all his fellow japanese & american companions  :D both in power & size  ;)

As it should be, BF93.

As it should be!  ;D

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& on & on & on  :-[ man i hope one day ether toho or hollywood will make these films come to life that way put these babies in our collection

It's definitely a nice thought. Course, going forward, alot of what transpires later will fall on the shoulders of how well the 2014 Godzilla film fares, but the idea of getting some animated, and competent, adaptations of unused Godzilla scripts would be great.

Or hey, why stop there? How about just ideas. Like say, for instance, Batman vs. Godzilla. http://godzilla.wikia.com/wiki/Godzilla_vs._Batman

Could you imagine how fun that would be to watch?!? Especially if WB/Toho could get Adam and Burt to lend their voices, and the quality of the film itself being anywhere near the level of the DCU animated movies?!!?!

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The chances are slim to none, but still, it's a nice, warm, and cuddly thought.

QuoteAs it should be, BF93.

As it should be!  ;D

:D

QuoteIt's definitely a nice thought. Course, going forward, alot of what transpires later will fall on the shoulders of how well the 2014 Godzilla film fares, but the idea of getting some animated, and competent, adaptations of unused Godzilla scripts would be great.

Or hey, why stop there? How about just ideas. Like say, for instance, Batman vs. Godzilla. http://godzilla.wikia.com/wiki/Godzilla_vs._Batman

Could you imagine how fun that would be to watch?!? Especially if WB/Toho could get Adam and Burt to lend their voices, and the quality of the film itself being anywhere near the level of the DCU animated movies?!!?!

Whoa whoa whoa clam down joker my friend let's not get a swelled head  :P anyways to be honest i was never really a big fan of the adam west batman tv show but did i like it mainly cause there were moments in my life where i wanna take a break from the dark brooding batman we all love & just watch something fun,campy,& cheesy for a good time like the adam west batman but the whole godzilla vs batman story i really don't know how it would work i mean i know that the showa godzilla was around the 60's like batman but how would they meet?How would they fight,& more importantly who will come out on top?!  ???

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Sun, 16 Feb  2014, 06:05
Whoa whoa whoa clam down joker my friend let's not get a swelled head  :P anyways to be honest i was never really a big fan of the adam west batman tv show but did i like it mainly cause there were moments in my life where i wanna take a break from the dark brooding batman we all love & just watch something fun,campy,& cheesy for a good time like the adam west batman but the whole godzilla vs batman story i really don't know how it would work i mean i showa godzilla was around the 60's like batman but how would they meet?How would they fight,& more importantly who will come out on top?!  ???

Whoa, hey, be honest with yourself. Batman vs. Godzilla is money. Animated or not, lots of people would be interested in that, even if they are fans of one and not so much the other. It's just too good of a concept to go to waste, and yes, kids and adults alike would watch that movie. Me, and yes, YOU too!!!  ;D

I would imagine the trailers would easily go viral.  :D

Despite not being a big fan of the Adam West Batman, atleast you can acknowledge some of the appealing factors that continue to endure itself to fans who do enjoy what that particular interpretation offers. As far as the story? Beats me. The process never got that far back in '65, but I would think Godzilla would have to be more of the adversary than anything heroic... Especially, within the timeline, it's placed following KKvsG. Course, they could go with the old 'square-off-then-team-up' route, and Bruce/Dick traveling abroad could be easily done, though Godzilla showing up at Gotham would be just ... awesome!

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QuoteDespite not being a big fan of the Adam West Batman, atleast you can acknowledge some of the appealing factors that continue to endure itself to fans who do enjoy what that particular interpretation offers. As far as the story? Beats me. The process never got that far back in '65, but I would think Godzilla would have to be more of the adversary than anything heroic... Especially, within the timeline, it's placed following KKvsG. Course, they could go with the old 'square-off-then-team-up' route, and Bruce/Dick traveling abroad could be easily done, though Godzilla showing up at Gotham would be just ... awesome!

Aye soo much cheesy & camp....theres so much i can take you stinker.  :P But in the end i'd probably watch it cause of godzilla & batman actually meeting despite how bizarre it be. :D

;)

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....pffffft.XD

Beat ya to it joker  :P
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You did, but that poster is glorious.

*sniffs*
i think we're gonna have a real american godzilla buddy :D

Go Go GODZILLA!!!

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hey joker there's something i wanted to ask,Being a godzilla fan for years do you own any godzilla toys or figures?

^ 8)

Hey, yeah I have some of the toys/figures, but not many. It's not due out of being disinterested, but more along the lines of toys/figures just not being in the budget, and for reasons of space. As I really don't have the extra room to store a number of items like that unless I did some serious rearranging!

Like alot of other people my age, I had the 1980's Imperial toy, which, as cheaply made as it was, is essentially THE Godzilla toy of my youth.

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During the mid 1990's, I remember collecting some of the Treadmasters toy line as well. Essentially, it was my introduction to the Heisei universe, due to not seeing anything beyond Biollante at the time these toys was released, and the toys themselves being obviously influenced by the Heisei appearances.

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It wasn't until 1998 when, finally, we were thrown a bone and Tri Star released the Heisei films Ghidorah-Destroyah on VHS in order to further hype the release of the 1998 film.

I collected some merch from the 1998 film, but can't think of much other than the "Battle Action" electronic toy (can't recall how big it was), and (I think) a Godzilla cup holder from Taco Bell. I also had a t-shirt that I remember alot of people liked, which featured the Statue of Liberty with a side shot of Zilla's leg and foot behind it, and a green lightning bolt coming down, with Godzilla being written in Japanese rather than in english. Can't remember where I purchased it (I'm thinking Sam Goodys but not 100% sure about that), but noticed the shirt was definitely not mass produced like some of the other shirts I continually saw that summer.

Everything else has been pretty sporadic. I have a nifty vinyl reprint poster of Ghidrah up on one of my walls in my apartment, and about 3 years ago, I found one of those 24 inch Bandai Godzilla's at a Toys R' Us about 3 years ago for $20 bucks.

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That's basically been about it, outside of my collecting all the films on DVD/Blu Ray. One day I aim to get a nice 6 foot 1985 inflatable Godzilla (via eBay), you know ... the one famously featured in the movie "BIG" with Tom Hanks, but they can get awfully pricey.

But yeah ... one day.   ;)



Soooo ... hows your collecting?  ::)

QuoteSoooo ... hows your collecting?  ::)

Eh somewhat alright i guess cause outside of my godzilla vhs & dvd collecting which i have alot btw i barely have the real godzilla in my collection....most of the godzilla's figures i have are just zilla's toys from 1998....man if i was older back in the 90's i would dropped those toys & looked for the real godzilla but instead i have more of zilla then i do godzilla :(

Kinda surprised you never collected any of the Bandai action figures. They are definitely more 'current' than the '98 Zilla stuff. Though probably not as readily available by comparison.  :o

Anyways, here's a limited edition Empire magazine cover featuring the King of the Monsters, and it's AWESOME!

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QuoteKinda surprised you never collected any of the Bandai action figures. They are definitely more 'current' than the '98 Zilla stuff. Though probably not as readily available by comparison.  :o

Oh no no i do have bandai godzilla action figures....just 2 & 2 trendmasters godzilla figures as well it's just that it's hard to find godzilla in stores now & days mainly cause how the new stuff from other franchises are over riding the selves leaving godzilla in the dust.  :-X

QuoteAnyways, here's a limited edition Empire magazine cover featuring the King of the Monsters, and it's AWESOME!

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....i gotta find that magazine & cut out anything godzilla related for my scrapbook!!!!>:(

Teaser trailer for the upcoming official 2nd trailer set to debut tomorrow (you're only a day away).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCMM2wWPfMg

And here we ...... GO!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSrUHoc9LIE

..... it's....it's beautiful  :'(

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Tue, 25 Feb  2014, 20:31
..... it's....it's beautiful  :'(

Indeed it is, bud  ;)

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However my only minor complaint is godzilla's mouth...it's kinda small  :-\

Hey joker i got a question for ya what's your definitive look for godzilla?

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Wed, 26 Feb  2014, 02:36
However my only minor complaint is godzilla's mouth...it's kinda small  :-\

I can see that .... kinda like his feet in this.  ;)

QuoteHey joker i got a question for ya what's your definitive look for godzilla?

You know, I would probably have to go with the Godzilla 1985 look. It's just something about that particular incarnation that I love. I tend to gravitate towards preferring Godzilla with larger eyes, which was something I missed with the follow-up Heisei films. But yeah, I think it would be that. I don't own many Godzilla t-shirts, but I do have a Godzilla 1985 shirt, and whenever I'm out and about and not at work, I tend to get comments on it.

Positive comments, BTW.  :D


Whats yours?

QuoteYou know, I would probably have to go with the Godzilla 1985 look. It's just something about that particular incarnation that I love. I tend to gravitate towards preferring Godzilla with larger eyes, which was something I missed with the follow-up Heisei films. But yeah, I think it would be that. I don't own many Godzilla t-shirts, but I do have a Godzilla 1985 shirt, and whenever I'm out and about and not at work, I tend to get comments on it.

Positive comments, BTW.  :D


Whats yours?

First let me just say you lucky son of a gun i am so jealous of you & wish i had a godzilla shirt like that :P

But anyways as much as i love both suit & movie of godzilla 1985 i'm afraid my favorite look of godzilla is

BioGoji from godzilla vs Biollante,& King Ghidorah.
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& again reused in godzilla vs mothra : battle for earth with slight updates & return of the showa godzilla roar & known as the BatoGoji suit
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I just really really loved how this suit looked more dinosaur-ish & more mean plus if you look closely at his face during the films the suit is presented in you can see some scars on his face & body from the previous g-films which is a rare thing to see happen to godzilla now & days.  :D

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Wed, 26 Feb  2014, 03:32
First let me just say you lucky son of a gun i am so jealous of you & wish i had a godzilla shirt like that :P

Why be envious? I'm sure some are readily available where ever you are. lol

QuoteBut anyways as much as i love both suit & movie of godzilla 1985 i'm afraid my favorite look of godzilla is

BioGoji from godzilla vs Biollante,& King Ghidorah.
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& again reused in godzilla vs mothra : battle for earth with slight updates & return of the showa godzilla roar & known as the BatoGoji suit
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I just really really loved how this suit looked more dinosaur-ish & more mean plus if you look closely at his face during the films the suit is presented in you can see some scars on his face & body from the previous g-films which is a rare thing to see happen to godzilla now & days.  :D

Cool. It's a look that definitely has influence and remains popular with the fans. Especially the more dinosaur-esque appearance, which remained thru the Heisei universe, and into the Millennium films even to some extent (depending on the film).

For '85, another aspect I liked about it was the mass of Godzilla, which to me, further evoked that sheer force of nature that the monster is clearly intended to represent.

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Though, I do remember reading somewhere that the Godzilla suitmation actor much preferred the Biollante suit and subsequent ones to the '85 suit, as the suit itself was much bulkier and heavier than the more streamlined versions that followed.

QuoteWhy be envious? I'm sure some are readily available where ever you are. lol

Yeah but due to being a big guy (tall not fat may i mind you  :P) it's hard to find one to fit me right heck i even have trouble looking for shirts with logos at walmart that are my size  :(

QuoteFor '85, another aspect I liked about it was the mass of Godzilla, which to me, further evoked that sheer force of nature that the monster is clearly intended to represent.

Yeah but the thing that kills it from being my definitive look for godzilla is the eyes...i mean the eyes look great for him but when the animatronics go off he looks...uh derpy..y'know?

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Wed, 26 Feb  2014, 03:59
Yeah but due to being a big guy (tall not fat may i mind you  :P) it's hard to find one to fit me right heck i even have trouble looking for shirts with logos at walmart that are my size  :(

Exactly how tall are you? Just asking cause I'm not exactly a shorty either.  ;D

Quote
Yeah but the thing that kills it from being my definitive look for godzilla is the eyes...i mean the eyes look great for him but when the animatronics go off he looks...uh derpy..y'know?

I don't know ... I thought they looked quite effective in particular shots. But there were several different versions used in '85 that altered Godzilla's appearance. Sometimes from scene to scene. The completely animatronic Godzilla looked different from the suit with the actor, as did the puppet version. All were distinct in their way, and kinda jarring for the viewer when edited cuts would implement them in a matter of seconds. But yeah, I thought the eyes were effective, like the scene where Godzilla menacingly roars at the drunk and he makes some comedic response about the big G being a big shot and how he just got to town, and certainly, the eyes were a throw back to the Showa era where the more larger eyes were more used than not.

I do concede there were some shoddy shots of Godzilla in the 1985 film, but I think ALOT of Godzilla movies suffer from the same exact problem. As I felt Godzilla looked a bit 'too' rubbery in some particular shots found in the Heisei films, and in the Showa era, there has been shots where the suit is clearly falling apart. I think in the Showa era Vs. Gigan, this is quite evident.... :-\

QuoteExactly how tall are you? Just asking cause I'm not exactly a shorty either.  ;D

Hmm i think 6 or 7 feet  :P i don't keep track on how much i grow  ;D

QuoteI do concede there were some shoddy shots of Godzilla in the 1985 film, but I think ALOT of Godzilla movies suffer from the same exact problem. As I felt Godzilla looked a bit 'too' rubbery in some particular shots found in the Heisei films, and in the Showa era, there has been shots where the suit is clearly falling apart. I think in the Showa era Vs. Gigan, this is quite evident.... :-\

Yeah i've noticed those problems with the suits through out the showa & heisei however i think in the Millennium Series which is shame cause they fix any problems with those suits with love but when it came to the older ones they get tossed aside like trash....i swear if i visit japan & find a godzilla suit in the trash i'm taking that sucker home & repair it back to it's godzilla glory

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Wed, 26 Feb  2014, 05:25
Hmm i think 6 or 7 feet  :P i don't keep track on how much i grow  ;D

Ok, Chewy. Be evasive.  :D

Quote
Yeah i've noticed those problems with the suits through out the showa & heisei however i think in the Millennium Series which is shame cause they fix any problems with those suits with love but when it came to the older ones they get tossed aside like trash....i swear if i visit japan & find a godzilla suit in the trash i'm taking that sucker home & repair it back to it's godzilla glory

Yeah, I think the only way THAT would ever happen, is if you got a DeLorean with a flux capacitor and went back to the '60's or '70's. Unless you want the GRA Goji/Angurius suits. I think those were shipped to the U.S. and went missing ... ???

Speaking of size ....

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Yeah those size are only in japan but in the american version the original godzilla stands over 400 ft tall....making him the biggest one :P

QuoteOk, Chewy. Be evasive.  :D

...first time i ever been called that  8)

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Wed, 26 Feb  2014, 06:23
Yeah those size are only in japan but in the american version the original godzilla stands over 400 ft tall....making him the biggest one :P

First we get the size waaaaaay off, and then we refer to the Big G as "Gigantis" the next go-around ...

For shame.  :-[

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BioGoji was my favourite Godzilla design as well. This new one looks better than I'd initially thought, but I do miss the ears.

Not to be a buzz-kill, but this: http://juddgeeksout.tumblr.com/post/77863154471/this-take-seems-to-lionize-the-very-thing-the

Did seem relevant.

Quote from: zDBZ on Thu, 27 Feb  2014, 05:51
Not to be a buzz-kill, but this: http://juddgeeksout.tumblr.com/post/77863154471/this-take-seems-to-lionize-the-very-thing-the

Did seem relevant.

On the surface, sure.

However ......

QuoteBy standing the original message of Godzilla on its head, they're furthering the commentary on human response to global threats, or just problem resolution in general. It seems that in this version, we found a global threat (Godzilla) and exacerbated the problem by trying to resolve it with one of our greatest technological achievements, i.e. harnessing nuclear energy.

Our attempts to resolve the issue backfires and instead worsens it by causing Godzilla to go on his global rampage. This is simply a reflection of man's ability to screw up an already screwed up situation, thus putting the survival of the species in danger. Global warming, nuclear energy, genetic engineering. Whatever, pick your poison. We create a problem (Godzilla was dormant, we woke him up), try to fix it through nuclear weapons, which only make him angry, and make it worse (global rampage and destruction).

Food for thought.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkNeGDNhYZo

That was awesome!  8)

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Toooo slow joker  8)

Me thinks I'm going to buy that.

Me too  8)

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Classic godzilla vs a insect monster battle  :D

Kinda reminds me of the Cloverfield monster, but with some extra appendages.

This. Is. Great.  8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rZ-n9rjALM

How much you wanna bet they're gonna re-use some of zilla's roar from the 98 film in godzilla 2014?Cause they re-used zilla's roar in godzilla 2000 for the king himself & fit pretty well despite the roar being somewhat the same as the showa but hollywoolized :P

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Not to sound all fan boy buuut godzilla is gonna squash that bug  :P

I would wager a fellow Godzilla fan, and Heisei era enthusiast will be having a lighter wallet come May.  ;)

http://www.scifijapan.com/articles/2014/03/17/first-look-new-toho-godzilla-collection-blu-rays-from-sony/

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Some new footage ... and it's GREAT!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcyyGqP4p_4

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Oh, why not another?

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Looking good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXOqJ7jW0j4

I have both my eyes on this movie. I think it can be something special. The atmosphere looks just about perfect. Selling the dread humanity would feel in reality. At total mercy to an unstoppable monster who is ripping every single thing it encounters apart. So I expect audiences will feel more fear than joy when the buildings come crashing down. Can't wait to see it.

I was thinking the same thing, TDK. The sheer scale of Godzilla should be quite terrifying on the big screen. The tone suggested by the trailer evokes the 1954 original, where Godzilla was a dark, elemental force of nature that couldn't be stopped. I'm hoping this will turn out to be a 'scary movie' blockbuster in the tradition of Jaws (1975). It looks very promising.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Tue,  8 Apr  2014, 20:43
The tone suggested by the trailer evokes the 1954 original, where Godzilla was a dark, elemental force of nature that couldn't be stopped. I'm hoping this will turn out to be a 'scary movie' blockbuster in the tradition of Jaws (1975).

Exactly. The key words are 'cannot be stopped'. But neither a hero or a villain, just existing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PaEslJKixk

This is definitely one intensely gratifying trailer that I've seen in quite some time. It hit all the right beats. Perhaps it's a bit on the "spoilerish" side, but honestly I'm not too heavily concerned with spoilers when it comes to Godzilla movies. I know why I'm going to see it, and it's not for the plot twists.

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^ From angles like in that GIF, this Goji design looks fantastic. In many others, he comes off pretty damn chunky.

You know, whenever I think of Godzilla, especially the Toho Godzilla, and not the Roland Emmerich/Dean Devlin Zilla that stood in for Godzilla back in 1998, massive or chunky is pretty much comes to mind. Even in the original Gojira, Godzilla wasn't a beast I would describe as slim and trim. Nor was he evoked as such during the 1990's, or even in the Millennium set of films. Sure, some suits were less bulky than others, depending on what film we're discussing here, but Godzilla and the 'ol thunder thighs has been a re-occurring staple in his appearance.

Which leaves me perplexed why some Japanese fans are chiming in with comments like now, NOW, "Godzilla looks fat"?

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Yeeeah .... I don't get that.  ::)

Quote from: The Joker on Sun, 11 May  2014, 01:03
You know, whenever I think of Godzilla, especially the Toho Godzilla, and not the Roland Emmerich/Dean Devlin Zilla that stood in for Godzilla back in 1998, massive or chunky is pretty much comes to mind. Even in the original Gojira, Godzilla wasn't a beast I would describe as slim and trim. Nor was he evoked as such during the 1990's, or even in the Millennium set of films. Sure, some suits were less bulky than others, depending on what film we're discussing here, but Godzilla and the 'ol thunder thighs has been a re-occurring staple in his appearance.

A common complaint against the later Heisei suits was indeed that Godzilla looked fat. Compared to the new design, I disagree.

Godzilla's never been svelt, I agree. But bulk can make a character look powerful, or flabby, depending on where it's placed and how it's shaped. I just don't know that that was so artfully done here.

My Spoiler filled Review:


To start I have to say that I found Legendary's Godzilla film to be a very enjoyable film, and especially so as a hardcore Godzilla fan. Edwards, much to his credit, managed to pay homage to almost every part of Godzilla's 60 years of history. Which was greatly appreciated. Yes, from the disaster/horror aspects of the 1954 original classic, to the heroic Godzilla of the late Showa era, and also the occasionally helpful force of nature of the Heisei/Millennial era. Just simply nothing short of being simply outstanding!

[SPOILER] Can't say if I was truly surprised that Godzilla wasn't portrayed as being antagonistic in this film except towards the MUTOs. I kinda got that impression from some trailer footage, but nothing concrete of course. Though, yes, Godzilla definitely does cause significant collateral damage, Godzilla however, doesn't truly rampage in this film and consistently dives under the various naval vessels that attempt to block his path. Indeed, Godzilla's late appearance is due to him responding to the MUTOs, who share his origin as ancient creatures from prehistory (something of which is more elaborated upon in the Godzilla Awakening graphic novel. In one notable moment Godzilla ends up saving two buses full of school children by inadvertently shielding them from incoming military fire after the buses are caught on a bridge in his path.[/SPOILER]

I understand there is a consensus that are disappointed by how much screentime Godzilla gets (or lack thereof); but the one thing that this film does in spades, is buildup, buildup, BUILDUP. As when Godzilla actually does make his grand appearance, the scene is achieved so well that it literally made me grin more than a little, and I'm not known for being outwardly expressive a lot of the time.

[SPOILER] And yes, Godzilla does have his atomic ray and, and yes, his dorsal plates light up when he uses it. I have to say I quite enjoyed how it's introduced in the film where it's used in having only the tail spines glow at first, showing it takes some time to build and creating that extra bit of anticipation for anyone who understands the significance. However, every time it is used, Godzilla is clearly exhausted afterwards, which explains why it takes so long for the atomic breath to show up. But yes, it's used very effectively, and in the scene where Godzilla did his atomic ray fatality, the people in the screening I attended cheered. Pure Awesome moment.[/SPOILER]

With the portrayal of the military, for all intents and purposes, they are portrayed as being decent people, and the movie never goes out of its way to criticize the nuke strategy, [SPOILER]though unfortunately, they succeed in unintentionally making matters worse, despite the warnings of Ken Watanabe's Dr. Serizawa. Ultimately, this is highly appropriate for a Godzilla film, so I approve.

With the human characters, I was, *initially*, sad to see Cranston, and his dramatic line deliveries, go so soon, but in the end, I thought that decision worked out very well for the film itself. As I really appreciated that Watanabe's Serizawa was portrayed as a quiet, restrained, but very astute type of character. For me, Serizawa matches Godzilla as a balancing force of nature.[/SPOILER]


Overall quick assessment: The film looks very modern, but still feels like a big love letter to each of the Godzilla eras (Showa/Heisei/Millennium) in the Toho movies. The buildup, and there is ALOT of buildup, is definitely pretty tense and exciting, the destruction, of course, is impressive, very much a spectacle, and the whole thing is remarkably true to the Godzilla character. I don't really have anything to complain about.

YES. The KING of Kings has returned!

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I knew well before any details were released that this was a film I was likely to nitpick. I nitpick every Godzilla movie; outside the Millennium era flicks, I still like 'em all. They're too much fun to stay mad at.

This movie was providing nitpicks before it ever aired: American heroes, the Big G's action wasn't going to be in Japan, I wasn't crazy about the monster design, etc. But the trailers did look good, and I was actually rather excited going in. By the end, I had new nitpicks: why does Japan seem to let the US government take care of everything, bad child actors, where does the name "Godzilla" come from if Serizawa names it "Gojira" and never calls it anything else, etc. But, like with every other film in the series, I could put that aside. Unfortunately for me, I didn't set them aside because I was having fun this time; I set them aside because there were much bigger problems. I thought this film was terrible.

It isn't devoid of talent by any means, and it has great moments, but as a whole, it's a terribly-paced film with its focus in the wrong place. And I'll start on that point, because I've read some commentary that basically amounts to "too much people time, not enough Godzilla time." I don't think that's the correct criticism. The real problem IMO is that Godzilla wasn't the central monster; the Mutos were. The Mutos are the monsters that drive the plot. It was their nest that Serizawa discovered, it was their feasting that destroyed the nuclear plant, and it's them that are causing the destruction to human society. This film could have easily been called Muto and been about mankind fighting them. So far as plot is concerned, Godzilla is just a deus ex machina to get rid of the Mutos. Now, some reviewers have noted that Godzilla is often late in appearing in the Toho films, and just turns up at the end to beat the bad guy but there is a big caveat to that: that always happened in a vs. movie, when Godzilla had been well-established as a character. This is supposed to be the big reintroduction for Godzilla. The film is simply titled Godzilla. The Mutos played little to no role in the advertising; this picture was marketed as Godzilla, King of the Monsters, rising up to wreck havoc upon humankind. I'm happy to see a vs. movie where Godzilla plays the role of hero or anti-hero, but I would rather the movie be sold as such.

On a character level, the Mutos have a better build-up than Godzilla and much more personality; well, that's bound to happen when you give the villain monsters a relationship involving the raising of children, and have them express emotions of grief and loss when the kids die. Given that the film clearly hoped to set Godzilla up as a hero in the end, the force of Nature called up to restore balance, I cannot believe that no one involved in crafting the story ever stopped to think that maybe they shouldn't offer the villains a more sympathetic moment than Godzilla himself.

On a thematic level, the Mutos - and Godzilla himself - seem very confused. If I recall correctly; the origin story for both monsters was - they're prehistoric beasts who've moved their habitats underground and underwater to be near their food source, and in the 50s, America and Russia found Godzilla and decided to bomb the crap out of him. It did sh*t, other than feed him, but he didn't react in any way; the Mutos were not bombed, and were not in fact discovered until 1999. And yet commentary by director Edwards before the film's release, and even some of Serizawa's lines, want to imply that the Mutos are somehow "man-made" monsters. Aside from the fact that Man's nuclear activity offers an enticing food source, I don't see how that's the case at all. Even if it were, that would invite a whole new thematic problem: the concept of a monster created by Man's reckless use of nuclear power is the whole idea behind Godzilla himself, and is not something that should be passed off to the villain.

And finally, on an aesthetic level, I though the Mutos were boring. They were black, smooth versions of the Cloverfield monster, with one possessing wings.

Godzilla himself is fine. My misgivings about the design aside, he was recogniseably the Big G, with a discernible personality, and he was given some great moments. His attitude toward human activity was interesting and amusing. I do wish the breath had made more than two appearances.

When I say that the film is badly paced, I mean that the beginning is rushed, and the middle drags. And I mean, it drags. The choice of when to cut away from the action to a human element, or vice versa, was rarely correct, and the action itself is not shot in such a way to create a sense of energy. At least not until the climax. The final third is where the film finally finds a good tempo, and a good balance between humans and monsters (and monsters). But it was too late in coming. And along with the uneven pace comes an uneven tone. The science in this picture is every bit as ludicrous as what you get in the Toho pictures, but outside the 54 original (which is the least silly in its science), every one of those movies takes care to set itself in a world that is clearly a science fiction/fantasy environment. This film wants to treat things as realistically as Christopher Nolan treated the Batman universe. My problems with Nolan's approach to the Dark Knight remain, but I can concede his technical skill at pacing a picture and maintaining a consistent tone. That level of talent is not present here; Edwards is hardly an incompetent director, and he is clearly a fan of the material, but he didn't shape it properly.

The human characters were not annoying. Brian Cranston was sympathetic and likable. Beyond him, I couldn't really get invested in any of them. This is nothing new for a Godzilla movie, but Serizawa seemed largely wasted.

The music did nothing for me; at times, it seemed at odds with what was going on. I would have dearly loved for Ifukube's theme to have reared its head.

The best part of the movie was the ending, and I don't mean that in a sarcastic way. The reawakening, the roar, the CNN headline; it all made for an amazing "F*CK YEAH!!!" moment. And there are great Easter eggs sprinkled throughout that reference Godzilla's past. But the rest of the film did not earn that ending, or prove itself as enjoyable as those little winks and nods. 5 out of 10.

Full agreement. To use the uncouth vocabulary of undesirables, frankly, I thought this film plain sucked. It was just so damn boring. I can't get over how Aaron Johnson got this role, or how he gets work at all. He's wooden as wooden can be. Why on Earth did they kill off Cranston? They had something relatively decent with him, but boom, he's killed off unceremoniously and the film begins to suffer big time. Godzilla had a cameo appearance, and the film should have been called MUTO. No joke, we pretty much see all his content in the trailers. I mean, seriously?

I'm all for tension and mystery, but the way Godzilla 2014 handled things was frustrating and annoying beyond belief. Building up something and then constantly cutting-away to television screens throughout the movie. The final fight didn't make up for anything, either. A relatively short, underwhelming thing shrouded by fog and darkness. If Godzilla didn't have his breath, well, he was a goner. Which I thought was a load of bull. He does a tail whip, but so what. A moment which lasts about 10 seconds, when two-thirds of the film is devoted to wooden, crappy characters who look up in fear. It's so repetitious.

How many times do we have to see Godzilla swim under navy ships? Or people look outside school buses, windows, etc. Once you reveal the character, he's revealed. I have zero desire to watch this ever again. It's all drumroll and no funky guitar solo. The military chats were just mind numbingly dull and effectively pointless, because they really amounted to nothing. We didn't see much of anything, or anything visually interesting to warrant such a build-up. My attention span is just fine. But I found this to be just a meandering piece of junk with some scraps of redemption giving it 4/10.

Damn it guys.  I knew I shouldn't have gone on this thread but can you please add 'spoilers'.

I now know that a lead character was killed-off.  >:(

QuoteDamn it guys.  I knew I shouldn't have gone on this thread but can you please add 'spoilers'.

I now know that a lead character was killed-off.  >:(

More than happy to gobbs.

Well i saw the movie on opening day & let me just say it was great hearing people say "GODZILLA!GODZILLLA!!" before the movie started cause it just show how excited these people too see Godzilla back & it just put a huge grin on my face when hearing & seeing them excited for the big G...however i wish i could the same for the movie.

Now there is some spoilers in my review/rant so be warned

Alright first let me just say guys that i'm all for updating godzilla for today standards & trying to make him real like how was protrayed in the 1954 film however there is a limit between realism & being awesome & that's where the film fails at alot.

1. I thought the characters were just boring for except for Bryan Cranston who i gotta say i wish was in the movie all the way through mainly cause he was the most interesting & the most sympathetic character out of the group & Ken Watanabe's Dr. Ishiro Serizawa was just....there....i mean yeah he was just there to explain the origins to both godzilla & the mutos (which i'll get to in abit) & how to get them to fight & that's it he really didn't add much to anything other than explanation

2.....Oh boy the origins of godzilla & the mutos...remember when i said "i'm all for updating godzilla for today standards & trying to make him real like how he was protrayed in the 1954 film however there is a limit between realism & being awesome"??? well i still stand by it but i gotta say i really didn't like the changes they did to godzilla's origin mainly cause they said godzilla was an anicent creature that was around before the dinosaur ages & fed off the earths cores radiation mainly to survive & if that's not enough that mutos were godzilla's natural prey/enemies Oh & the mutos how can i forget about them?Yeah like godzilla they were anicent creatures & like godzilla they fed off raidiation but since they didn't have godzilla's heat resistance hide to survive the earths core they targeted godzilla's spieces & fed off them by killing them & implanting their eggs inside the godzilla's dead carcasses so that their spieces can live forever...okay do i even have to explain what's wrong with this new origin for godzilla & how it goes against everything what the original Godzilla established in the 1954 film & in the later Showa(before he was changed from villian to hero) /Heisei/& Millennium films no?Good everyone should know what godzilla is & isn't & being a anicent creature isn't one of them not by a long shot.

3.The lack of monster fights & godzilla himself....Now i get what they were getting at in the film by having build up with godzilla having to fight the mutos & it was cool cause all the godzilla films had build up for godzilla's apperance & having him fight his foe in his films....but this was too far even for a G-fan like me why?Well during the part where the first muto attacks haiwii was just saying "He's coming...i know it he's coming" kinda like in the first TMNT movie where it just had that awesome build up for the turtles to appear well the same feeling applies here & they way they did it was awesome cause first we have the navy ships moved by godzilla's wave,the tidal wave hitting the city,his body behind the buildings,& then the airport...my god it was just awesome on how he made his entrance...AND THEN IT WAS RUINED BY THAT STUPID CUTAWAY WHERE WE JUST SEE THEM FIGHT ON THE TV!!!!!!!WHAT THE HELL?!??!?!?!?!?!  >:( And it remains like this for the of the film except for the final battle which was FINALLY a real battle between the 3.


4.No Ifukube's theme....Okay besides godzilla's origin changed how can you not do a remake of Ifukube's theme for this reboot?I mean i can't tell you how many times i was waiting to hear ifukube's theme in this film even when godzilla appeared i was waiting for his theme to play cause the moment called for it even in the final battle...tch...I'm sorry guys but as much as i love godzilla i'm afraid this film didn't do much for me or even godzilla himself...too much was changed,the characters were boring except for Bryan Cranston,godzilla wasn't in it enough,too much cutaways,& where the hell was that giant centipede from the trailers?!I swear i thought that insectiod (my fan name for the monster) was gonna be godzilla's first foe to fight in the film then the mutos later on but anywayw my rating for this G-film is a 4.10 i was expecting more but got less than what i got.  :(

I saw this post on IMDb of all places, but it's right:

QuoteThe MUTO had more story power than Godzilla himself. The movie's build up, from the Philippines to Japan to the western US, was mostly dedicated to the MUTO. Godzilla had no build up or background by comparison. He simply shows up in Hawaii and SF like a guest to a party. I didn't expect explosions every five minutes, just a movie whose content was about the supposed-main monster's namesake.

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/godzilla-sequel-in-the-works-at-warner-bros-legendary-pictures-1201185365/

Very glad to see it looking increasingly likely that a sequel will happen!  ;D

First of all, I'll address the "Godzilla wasn't in the movie enough" complaint. I personally love what the director did here. Everything was purposely designed as a build up, and it all came together in a fantastic climax. Actually, come to think of it, some of my favorite Godzilla films are the ones where he is barely in it. People seem to forget that in the original Gojira, Godzilla is on screen for a limited amount of time, but you feel his presence throughout. Another is Godzilla vs. Mothra, which is usually hailed as the best of the Godzilla sequels, and Godzilla doesn't even show up until half an hour into an hour and a half long movie. Terror of MechaGodzilla, it's literally about an hour in before he shows up. All examples of the fact that it isn't always showcasing the monster, but rather about spending your time well to make the story work. That being said, it's interesting to see some people evidently suggest that the 2014 Godzilla film is the first time such a approach has been taken, when in reality, it's anything but.

Actually, the more I think about it, this amusing complaint reminds me of the same complaint associated with Burton's Batman films. Come on, you know the ones. Where, The Joker should have been the film's title instead of BATMAN since we, as an audience, spend a very good amount of time with Napier/Joker as opposed to Bruce Wayne/Batman. I won't even bother going into the Batman, or lack of Batman, with BATMAN RETURNS (Burton addressed this in the SE's right?) and all the villains screen time with Origins and what not, but I honestly can't say I ever watched those films, and thought those criticisms rang true. No, I thought of them, and continue to think of them, as Batman movies. I personally don't need to spend an hour focusing purely on a origin story. Give me the basics, the need to knows, and let's hit the ground running. To me, especially under the circumstances, the 2014 Godzilla doesn't need the introduction and the screen time required as opposed to the MUTOs. Does it make for a worse movie on its own merits? That is entirely dependent on the individual. It certainly didn't hurt my overall enjoyment. Apparently, it did others.

With Godzilla, some of the films within the franchise in the past have had messages, where other's don't or are severely surpressed. With the 2014 film, I think, just as in the classic 1954 original, the message is decidedly anti-nuclear. As the use of nuclear power, though obviously removed from a Cold War context, is depicted as ineffectual and ultimately misguided, Which, in the grand scheme of the film's plot, eventually leads to a potential MUTO invasion. So, yeah. Is all of this leading the viewer to come to the conclusion that arrogance and foolish actions could lead to something destructive? You betcha.

Like the Blue Oyster Cult song lyric:

"History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of man."

Indeed.

The build-up was all centred all around the MUTOs, not Godzilla.

Burton's Batman focuses on the villains, sure, but they relate to Batman a lot more with their contrasts and similarities. People are talking about Batman in newsrooms, on the streets, police are denying his existence. Joker jealously utters his name after shooting down Grissom. Basically, Batman has a presence in scenes he's not in. And importantly, we see the guy strut his stuff a lot sooner and in full view. There's no cut-aways just as Batman takes on the two rooftop punks in 89, or as the Batmobile rolls up to take on the circus gang. From my point of view, there's mystery without frustration. There is a difference between the two approaches.

In comparison, Godzilla is pushed to the side, merely swimming with the military as muscle to crash a party. They mention him by name a few times, but he's quickly dismissed and the attention goes back to the MUTOs as they are the chief threat. And it must be said, one of Godzilla's main problems is the dull characters, and they take up 90 per cent of the time. Crappy characters dominating a film is never a good thing.

Not to mention that the point most people who complain about B89 miss is that the basic thrust of the film is the investigation of Batman/Bruce, through other characters. Vicki, Knox, the Joker, the police - everyone's trying to discover who Batman is (or a way to upstage him) or Bruce Wayne is.

It's painfully obvious that the build up was specifically designed around Godzilla. As his screen time is basically the equivalent of having audiences take a sip, and then another, and then another, and finally when the final act comes, you take your drink. As a result, each and every scene where he's FULLY showcased ( from the tsunami/airport sequence, to the Golden Gate Bridge sequence, and of course, the final battle) evokes a powerful presence and definitely leaves an impression on the viewer. It's special and awe-inspiring each and every time *because*, unlike the Muto's, he's not being paraded around in your face the entire time. Just as it was designed to. That's what you call a build up.

It's interesting to bring up that Batman has a presence in the scenes he wasn't in during the Burton era, cause, I believe the 2014 Godzilla film took the same approach. Course we can sit here and downplay it, but in the Godzilla film I watched, it's consistently pointed out that the military views Godzilla as a highly potential threat (obviously so if the opening vintage footage sequence didn't drill that in deep enough) throughout the overwhelmingly majority of the film itself.. Godzilla is definitely not portrayed as just mere muscle swimming along much to the military's delight to throw down on the Mutos. Nope. The fear of the unknown as far as Godzilla's motives are, are clearly an underlining theme. Hell, there's even a scene where they thought the breakout of the MUTO was tied with Godzilla. With only Serizawa having any decent guesswork about what Godzilla's possible behavior may be like due to his association with Monarch secret agency. So yeah, I would say a presence is most assuredly there.

I happened to watch this film last weekend. I have to agree with TDK and zDBZ.

This film was complete and utter rubbish. Full of exposition regarding these Muto creatures and laughable dialogue about Godzilla "trying to restore balance", even though Godzilla is guilty of causing its own death destruction. And people complained about Man of Steel? ::)

***[SPOILER]*** Yes, I understand that Superman is a hero but -trying to make Godzilla a hero at the end of the movie was just laughably stupid. ***[/END SPOILER]***.

And it was incredibly inappropriate how scenes between Godzilla's appearances before fighting suddenly cut away to the people's reaction from the other side of the world/city, and scenes suddenly jump from one to another without any sense of continuity or flow at all. This film was completely dull. For all the collateral damage on action, none of it made me care what was going on. Another overrated, failed attempt at a reboot/remake whatever it is.

Checked it out again a few days ago.

Could the movie have used more Godzilla? Sure, but the same could be said for most of the Godzilla movies ever made if that's a big issue for you. Does new Godzilla kick arse? BIG yes. In terms of Godzilla movies, it's right up there (though nothing will top GOJIRA) on being one of the best (unless you want to rate them in terms of camp-iness), and that's basically the only scale worth judging the movie on. It doesn't have the camp of the older movies, but it also seriously lacks the clusterF approach of the 1998 endeavor.

  I've been watching Godzilla movies since I can remember, and I was not disappointed at all with seeing Godzilla return like this. Getting to see Godzilla roar in IMAX with a kickass sound-system had me grinning like a kid every time, and I really enjoyed the mix of human and kaiju scale because it's highly likely that this is the first Godzilla movie for alot of people, especially youngsters, and the film impressively hammers home just how titanic and unstoppable these monsters are.

As far as Godzilla's death toll on humans goes, that's to be expected if you want any semblance of realism. While it's true that any damage Godzilla himself caused was directly related to stopping both Muto's, the end result would have been much worse if he hadn't stopped them. If anything, the film remained surprisingly faithful to the Kaiju/Toho depictions on human death, where it's standard trope to have massive amounts of destruction and chaos but no, or very limited onscreen human deaths due to it (which is a pretty normal trope. Most disasters movies or super hero movies or big booming explosion riffic action flicks, for example, have the same).
There weren't a lot of onscreen deaths (true of Gojira, as well), but you get that effect from the tone and the reactions to what's going on. The stadium full of injured people at the end (and seeing a 'missing persons' type wall) helps to sell that.

Also, I'm not seeing this link between Serizawa theorizing about Godzilla and "restoring balance" and the human death toll caused by the big G himself. That theory, similar to other Godzilla movies I can name, is Godzilla being an apex predator among the Kaijus (in this case, an ancient apex predator). That's it. It's not suggesting Godzilla is on "our side" and will avoid any and all destruction as kaijualy possible. Human death is often displayed as a simple and classic consequence of one Kaiju not being at all friendly towards another. With the victor usually being the one that's less or non-aggressive towards humans, and ultimately going back for a long rest until the next threat pops up. Once again, the film stayed true to what's already been presented in the Toho Godzilla films (and alot of other Kaiju films) for decades now.     


Super-pleased to hear about a trilogy.

Quote from: The Joker on Mon, 26 May  2014, 02:55

  I've been watching Godzilla movies since I can remember, and I was not disappointed at all with seeing Godzilla return like this. Getting to see Godzilla roar in IMAX with a kickass sound-system had me grinning like a kid every time, and I really enjoyed the mix of human and kaiju scale because it's highly likely that this is the first Godzilla movie for alot of people, especially youngsters, and the film impressively hammers home just how titanic and unstoppable these monsters are.

I don't call myself a Godzilla fan to be honest, but I thought the focus on the Mutos was so strong that Godzilla became an afterthought. For all the focus on the Mutos being hatched and all the exposition and reaction surrounding their existence, I honestly can't remember anything explained about Godzilla's existence at all. I'm don't care too much about characters having smaller screen time as long as they play a strong part in the plot, but don't you think it's a little ridiculous how we see Godzilla for the first time in Hawaii, and it suddenly cuts away to Elizabeth Olsen and her son watching the live news coverage from the other side of the world? On top of that, it cuts off to the next day. A lot of scenes happen like that in this movie; scenes just end abruptly by jumping from one period of time to the next without any sort of continuity at all.

It doesn't help that apart from Bryan Cranson, I didn't care for any of the characters. At this point I'd rather watch Bryan Cranston crying for two hours to be honest.  8)

Quote from: The Joker on Mon, 26 May  2014, 02:55

As far as Godzilla's death toll on humans goes, that's to be expected if you want any semblance of realism.

I still thought that Godzilla being identified as a hero was very laughable. Yeah, he stopped the Mutos but how many people did he kill in the process? When Serazawa said that "restore balance" line, I couldn't help but laugh, and  I thought "are they going to try to make him a hero"? I laughed harder in the end with the news headline. Yes, I don't know anything about Godzilla, but nevertheless I thought the way they tried to him a hero end was goofy.

This movie just didn't make me fan. I don't plan to watch the other two in the future, and I can't imagine the originals from the fifties to be worse than this.

Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Mon, 26 May  2014, 04:17
I don't call myself a Godzilla fan to be honest, but I thought the focus on the Mutos was so strong that Godzilla became an afterthought. For all the focus on the Mutos being hatched and all the exposition and reaction surrounding their existence, I honestly can't remember anything explained about Godzilla's existence at all. I'm don't care too much about characters having smaller screen time as long as they play a strong part in the plot, but don't you think it's a little ridiculous how we see Godzilla for the first time in Hawaii, and it suddenly cuts away to Elizabeth Olsen and her son watching the live news coverage from the other side of the world? On top of that, it cuts off to the next day. A lot of scenes happen like that in this movie; scenes just end abruptly by jumping from one period of time to the next without any sort of continuity at all.

For me, I enjoyed the slow build-up and I think that was handled pretty well. I will say Godzilla's first appearance actually felt a little rushed. Not in terms of how much time it took to get there though, but once the big-G does show up, it's suitably epic. I didn't mind them pulling away from the first fight so much - especially considering you got to see bits of it in the TV immediately thereafter and it's clear that it's a very quick and inconclusive fight with the MUTO taking off. Evidently, it's not the sort of scenario some people wanted where we are constantly given action and explosions to the point where we are numb, but again, I wasn't upset with it. If anything, alot of scenes featuring Godzilla are shot from the POV of the people who are directly in the vicinity of the action. Which is quite different than say, Pacific Rim.

As far as Godzilla's origin goes, the notion of giving us info Monarch was aware of, and quickly moving on was fine. In the original GOJIRA, we are never given a proper explanation either. As Godzilla could have been a evolutionary hybrid for all we know. We had theories, but nothing concrete. Course the Heisei era of films gave a more detailed account into Godzilla's past, but that's an entirely different timeline. Simply put, a Nolan-sized backstory for Godzilla wasn't in the cards. The info we got was brief. Just as it was in the 1954 film. 

QuoteIt doesn't help that apart from Bryan Cranson, I didn't care for any of the characters. At this point I'd rather watch Bryan Cranston crying for two hours to be honest.  8)

Cranston served his purpose. I've read some (and by some I mean alot) complaints about his lack of screen time, but I felt it was sufficient enough. With the other main cast, ATJ didn't do anything for me. Olsen was alright as an anchor for ATJ's character, and I'm cool with Ken.

Quote from: The Joker on Mon, 26 May  2014, 02:55
I still thought that Godzilla being identified as a hero was very laughable. Yeah, he stopped the Mutos but how many people did he kill in the process? When Serazawa said that "restore balance" line, I couldn't help but laugh, and  I thought "are they going to try to make him a hero"? I laughed harder in the end with the news headline. Yes, I don't know anything about Godzilla, but nevertheless I thought the way they tried to him a hero end was goofy.

This movie just didn't make me fan. I don't plan to watch the other two in the future, and I can't imagine the originals from the fifties to be worse than this.

If we're talking negatives here, the cheering and that headline about "The King of the Monsters defeats Mutos!" was a bit much. While it's true that any damage Godzilla himself caused was directly related to stopping the Muto's and the end result would have been much worse if he hadn't stopped them, I think the real people in that situation, having just lived through all that, wouldn't really be of a mindset to be cheering for him at that point. That was hammered in too much. Especially since he wasn't at all considered a friendly cooperative monster by the military for the length of the film. Could that have been a mandate by Toho? Possibly. I wouldn't rule it out. Though, at the same time, I wouldn't say putting a more positive light on Godzilla near the film's conclusion to further illustrate that he indeed is apathetic towards humans, and is clearly all about being the Apex predator and destroying other revived Kaiju's, thus "restoring balance" in his world to be a deal breaker. If anything the tsunami sequence illustrated that indifferent 'force of nature' aspect to the character (a pretty popular trait at that). Which isn't always depicted as being about malice.

The thing is, Godzilla is a character that has been around for, now, sixty years. He's been shaped and molded into many incarnations to suit audience and public expectations (touching upon commercialism, corporate greed, the environment, diplomacy, etc.), and that's what makes the franchise so enduring. It's not everyone's taste, and I would say Godzilla is certainly more niche than Spider-Man, which makes Godzilla's opening weekend besting ASM2 even more amazing. All in all, there's some quibbles (not too many films where that doesn't happen to be perfectly honest) but definitely nothing major where I couldn't sit and enjoy the film, and the good far outweighs the bad.

Not being a fan of the series, or this film is cool. Since I'm kinda known as the Godzilla guy at work, I've had some colleagues ask my opinion on various films since last weekend, especially with the films that's been recently released on blu ray within the last month. One of which was a friend who got me interested in the Doctor Who lore. Course it took this film to finally perk their interest, but that's cool too.  8)

Looks like Godzilla is going to have alot of company for the sequel.  8)

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/comic-con-next-godzilla-monsers-revealed-1201269631/

RODAN

MOTHRA

KING GHIDORAH

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And during the wait, a Legendary King Kong film is coming as well.

http://www.deadline.com/2014/07/king-kong-skull-island-movie-legendary/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJakQe-YFSM&list=UU2FNeHnodgL5FzoM_IUHyLQ

Was that something you did, BF93?

Yep

Quote from: The Joker on Sun, 27 Jul  2014, 15:45

Looks like Godzilla is going to have alot of company for the sequel.  8)

Hopefully we see more action this time.

The Skull Island movie has more of my interest.

Best description of the footage shown at SDCC I have found.

http://www.godzilla-movies.com/community/forums/topic/36887

Sounds pretty good from this guy's summary of what was shown. Was somewhat initially surprised that all three essential Kaiju's from the Godzilla franchise (Mothra, Rodan, Ghidorah) are going to be included in the sequel, but maybe not so much with Legendary additionally announcing a King Kong reboot. The likelihood of "King Kong vs. Godzilla Part Deaux" being the way to cap off a Edwards Godzilla trilogy seems very possible now. Especially considering the Universal partnership.

Also, with 4 Kaiju's appearing in Godzilla 2, carnage will definitely ensue. The inclusion of Ghidorah especially leads towards that outcome. Since that's pretty much his deal. Hopefully, they won't go all Michael Bay with it, and give us action upon action where it just becomes numbing and meaningless, but evidently it works (as far as receipts go) for modern day audiences who have grown accustomed, and expect that.

QuoteThe likelihood of "King Kong vs. Godzilla Part Deaux" being the way to cap off a Edwards Godzilla trilogy seems very possible now. Especially considering the Universal partnership.

???... >:( but how would it work though?Considering the fact that godzilla is the good guy in legendary universe i don't see how they would make the two fight each other.

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Tue, 29 Jul  2014, 23:19
???... >:( but how would it work though?Considering the fact that godzilla is the good guy in legendary universe i don't see how they would make the two fight each other.

Yeah, I've thought about that too. I guess they could slowly make Godzilla more antagonistic towards humans in the sequel. Especially since Mothra is typically considered the most friendly towards humans Kaiju in the Toho universe. Orrrrr .... Maybe they'll take the usual superhero vs. superhero route where there's a fight, or two, or three, but later team up against the "real" baddie/baddies of the film?

You could spin the scenario of pitting King Kong vs. Godzilla several different ways, but with Legendary throwing in the more popular Kaiju's into the Godzilla sequel, and Legendary rebooting, rather than remaking King Kong with "Skull Island", the logical, or obvious way to top a Godzilla 2 with Rodan/Mothra/Ghidorah, would be, "King Kong vs. Godzilla".

QuoteYeah, I've thought about that too. I guess they could slowly make Godzilla more antagonistic towards humans in the sequel. Especially since Mothra is typically considered the most friendly towards humans Kaiju in the Toho universe. Orrrrr .... Maybe they'll take the usual superhero vs. superhero route where there's a fight, or two, or three, but later team up against the "real" baddie/baddies of the film?

You could spin the scenario of pitting King Kong vs. Godzilla several different ways, but with Legendary throwing in the more popular Kaiju's into the Godzilla sequel, and Legendary rebooting, rather than remaking King Kong with "Skull Island", the logical, or obvious way to top a Godzilla 2 with Rodan/Mothra/Ghidorah, would be, "King Kong vs. Godzilla".

See?This is why the 2014 film let me down alot cause when gareth said he was gonna back to the dark roots of the original 1954 godzilla film i assumed he also mean't godzilla was gonna be the bad guy again or at least an anti-hero like in the Heisei series which would've worked great in godzilla 2014 but nope they had to make him the good guy like in the later showa series & killing any chances of godzilla fighting his old foes aside from Ghidorah & other aliens/mutants like Gigan,Megalon,& Hedorah.

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Wed, 30 Jul  2014, 15:59
See?This is why the 2014 film let me down alot cause when gareth said he was gonna back to the dark roots of the original 1954 godzilla film i assumed he also mean't godzilla was gonna be the bad guy again or at least an anti-hero like in the Heisei series which would've worked great in godzilla 2014 but nope they had to make him the good guy like in the later showa series & killing any chances of godzilla fighting his old foes aside from Ghidorah & other aliens/mutants like Gigan,Megalon,& Hedorah.

I've probably said it before, but G'14 was a film that acknowledged alot of the different eras of the Toho films. However, I never really got the vibe that Godzilla was portrayed as being the heroic Earth Defender as seen in the later Showa films until maybe perhaps the conclusion of the film where he's being heralded as such. Outside of that, the film consistently conveys Godzilla as a very real potential threat, especially with the opening credit sequence, the tsunami/bridge scenes, military strategizing how their planning to kill him, ect, which are scenes that would have never been shot for a Godzilla movie during the later Showa era, and I would think much more in line with the anti-hero portrayal of the Heisei series, until it's fairly evident that Godzilla is basically disinterested in humans, and essentially much more focused solely on hunting the Muto's. From my viewpoint, all of this ultimately painted Godzilla, and even the Muto's, as being much more animalistic than heroic or villainous. Especially in context of the film with the info we are given by Monarch.   

Just out of curiosity joker have you ever read the prequel comic?

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Thu, 31 Jul  2014, 15:44
Just out of curiosity joker have you ever read the prequel comic?

I did.

Joker my friend no offense but no matter how you put it godzilla was clearly the good guy in the 2014 film they mention it clear as day when they explained his story when he first appeared in 1954 along with how he is a guardian/protector & they also showed it when he avoided the battleships by going underneath them to prevent them from getting damaged with everyone inside,& when he was being shot at by the military & not once did he try to retaliate when being fired upon he's like hellboy he's a hero but people see him as a threat cause how he looks so i take as a misunderstood hero who is earth's only hope in fighting other giant monsters when needed.

I guess I just don't see Godzilla from the 2014 film in that same Superhero light as you do, BF93, but that's cool.

With the battleships/bridge scene, I'll just skip over the 1954 explanation by Serizawa since it just came across as more of a theory to me than anything absolute, I simply took Godzilla rising up at the bridge to be a point where Godzilla probably couldn't swim anymore. Reaching a point where the river was too shallow for him to swim, and stood up; it also didn't appear that he could have gone under the bridge, at least without the equivalent of crawling on his belly. Yes, he swam around the ships at first, but why would anyone, or in this case, a large creature with possibly a primate intelligence, deliberately knock into vermin-infested driftwood if they can avoid it? Similarly, if it keeps following you, eventually you're going to have to touch it when getting out of the water. So I don't think Godzilla avoided the ships to avoid hurting the people on them, which was something the later Earth Defender Showa Godzilla might do, insomuch as it's what most swimmers would do - avoid smacking into a thick chunk of hurt swarming with ants.

Basically, while Godzilla doesn't deliberately target things for destruction, I never got the impression that he is walking on tiptoes to protect the poor little ant people either.

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Latest ad for Toho Cinemas has the Despicable Me Minions meeting, or should I say, fleeing from GODZILLA!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDHM5-5Pv0s

Wow it's been like what?A year since i was here?Well might as well say what i have to say.
Joker you were right...about everything!I went & sorta re-watched Godzilla 2014 while re editing it a year back (canceled don't ask why) & finally realized that godzilla being a god,protector,& the balance could be just a ruse in someways or like you said a theory mainly due to the fact the reason why godzilla was on a quest to kill the mutos is because.

1-They're natural born enemies much like how lions & hyenas are in the wild & these guys must been had a hatred for each since the dinosaur ages (i still believe IMO godzilla is a dinosaur) so it's logical that godzilla would go out of his way to kill the mutos mainly because it's due to the hate & territorial reason.

2-Food supply,Since both godzilla & the mutos feed off radiation godzilla probably knows for a fact that these things can breed & multiply fast causing a drastic lower of food supply which will then create hunger then destruction & the death of godzilla (remember in the beginning they found the corpse of another godzilla that was killed by the mutos & used it's body to incubate their young while also feeding off it's radiation.)

So really there's alot of reasons on why godzilla went to kill the mutos like the ones i listed & i know for a fact that there's more to it but just i'm giving my theories on to why in a animal observers point of view plus i remember the comic con trailer which used the monologue about the atomic bomb "Now i have become death...the destroyer of worlds" which could foreshadow godzilla's true nature later on in the sequels once he finds out that modern nuclear reactors around the world or probably tokyo (most likely) has more power than what the earth's core is giving him thus he'll probably go into a destruct manner which will change the world's perspective on him & becoming the sympathetic,destructive,anti-hero/villain dinosaur we all know & love.

Hey, WELCOME BACK BRO!!!!

Seriously, I was wondering what happened with you. Good to see you back!

Those are some very good points on the Godzilla/Muto rivalry. Your theories really do sync up with the notion of Godzilla's portrayal in the 2014 film being much more animalistic, rather than a nuclear allegory which he essentially was in the 1954 classic, and I really like your theory on the "Destroyer of Worlds" association possibly being a foreboding facet that can possibly become a horrifying reality later on in the franchise. Especially in light of the much more human friendly Mothra evidently being brought onto the scene with the upcoming sequel. Where King Ghidorah will no doubt portray the villain, Mothra will, as she always has been, be the monster on the side of humans, where Godzilla may go Heisei on us and show signs, if not directly exhibit, a destructive interest in man-made nuclear reactors and such. Kinda like a certain scene in Return of Godzilla/Godzilla 1985 where he made a pretty grand entrance.  ;)

Welcome back! 

Quote from: The Joker on Thu, 19 Mar  2015, 21:37

Hey, WELCOME BACK BRO!!!!

Seriously, I was wondering what happened with you. Good to see you back!

Aw you were worried about lil old me? :P Haha don't worry i'm back & let's just leave it as is. ;)

QuoteThose are some very good points on the Godzilla/Muto rivalry. Your theories really do sync up with the notion of Godzilla's portrayal in the 2014 film being much more animalistic, rather than a nuclear allegory which he essentially was in the 1954 classic, and I really like your theory on the "Destroyer of Worlds" association possibly being a foreboding facet that can possibly become a horrifying reality later on in the franchise. Especially in light of the much more human friendly Mothra evidently being brought onto the scene with the upcoming sequel. Where King Ghidorah will no doubt portray the villain, Mothra will, as she always has been, be the monster on the side of humans, where Godzilla may go Heisei on us and show signs, if not directly exhibit, a destructive interest in man-made nuclear reactors and such. Kinda like a certain scene in Return of Godzilla/Godzilla 1985 where he made a pretty grand entrance.  ;)

Welcome back!

Well i'm glad to see we're on same the page about godzilla's true nature probably changing in the future sequels but with all that said i'm still wondering how they're gonna explain mothra & ghidorah existences in the mix with godzilla 2014 due to the fact gareth wants a more gritty & realistic kaijuverse.Now i can understand rodan because like godzilla he was probably around the time during the dinosaur age with godzilla's species & hopefully like the original rodan his kind must've laid their eggs in volcanic soil to incubate their young,So really i can see this happen for reals...if we had real 400 ft monsters then yeah XD but really though with rodan being acceptable i still don't know about mothra & ghidorah.

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Thu, 19 Mar  2015, 22:58
Aw you were worried about lil old me? :P Haha don't worry i'm back & let's just leave it as is. ;)

Of course. Originally, I thought you might be roommating with Edward Snowden, and then I kept watching those "America's Most Wanted" shows, but nada.  ;D

Quote
Well i'm glad to see we're on same the page about godzilla's true nature probably changing in the future sequels but with all that said i'm still wondering how they're gonna explain mothra & ghidorah existences in the mix with godzilla 2014 due to the fact gareth wants a more gritty & realistic kaijuverse.Now i can understand rodan because like godzilla he was probably around the time during the dinosaur age with godzilla's species & hopefully like the original rodan his kind must've laid their eggs in volcanic soil to incubate their young,So really i can see this happen for reals...if we had real 400 ft monsters then yeah XD but really though with rodan being acceptable i still don't know about mothra & ghidorah.

I can understand where you're coming from with Rodan, and that makes sense. I think with Mothra and King Ghidorah, similar to the Nolan Batman movies, it'll be more on how they are dealt with and presented in a serious tone than the reality of it all. Ghidroah would pretty much guarantee a more sci fi slant on the franchise, but I really don't know how else to really achieve that character without taking that route. Especially if they want to remain true to the creatures original origins. I suppose it would depend on how far Edwards and crew want to take it. Especially in terms of Ghidorah being controlled by aliens, or another hibernating beast, or yet maybe the marauding space dragon similar to the Showa era.

I really hope they steer clear of the dorat origin.  ;)

QuoteOf course. Originally, I thought you might be roommating with Edward Snowden, and then I kept watching those "America's Most Wanted" shows, but nada.  ;D

...you don't even know what i look like so how would...y'know what?Nevermind.XD

QuoteI can understand where you're coming from with Rodan, and that makes sense. I think with Mothra and King Ghidorah, similar to the Nolan Batman movies, it'll be more on how they are dealt with and presented in a serious tone than the reality of it all. Ghidroah would pretty much guarantee a more sci fi slant on the franchise, but I really don't know how else to really achieve that character without taking that route. Especially if they want to remain true to the creatures original origins. I suppose it would depend on how far Edwards and crew want to take it. Especially in terms of Ghidorah being controlled by aliens, or another hibernating beast, or yet maybe the marauding space dragon similar to the Showa era.

Good points i just hope gareth knows what he's getting himself into with ghidorah cause if he messes up him in anyway he's gonna have ghidorah fans on his ass cause as we both know that ghidroah is one of godzilla's most recognizable & formidable foes in any of the godzilla eras & must he be treated with respect like the Big G himself same goes with any other toho monster. :P

Quote.I really hope they steer clear of the dorat origin.  ;)

WHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!
B-but the dorats are so cute
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I mean look at them.
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...you don't even know what i look like so how would...y'know what?Nevermind.XD

Descriptions. Descriptions. Descriptions.  ;D

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Good points i just hope gareth knows what he's getting himself into with ghidorah cause if he messes up him in anyway he's gonna have ghidorah fans on his ass cause as we both know that ghidroah is one of godzilla's most recognizable & formidable foes in any of the godzilla eras & must he be treated with respect like the Big G himself same goes with any other toho monster. :P

True. It's a long shot, but I would love to see Anguirus appear. If even just briefly, I would take it!!!

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WHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!
B-but the dorats are so cute
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I mean look at them.
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I never would have thought to combine Ghidorah with Pokemon, but there you go. The Dorats.  :D

QuoteDescriptions. Descriptions. Descriptions.  ;D

"He likes Batman. The number 93 ... and Godzilla. He also posts re-edited videos on Youtube, and posted on a Batman-online forum. Here's a crude sketch of the fugitive, but please feel free to call the number below if you know of anyone fitting this description. We need to get this guy off the streets. Pronto!" 

You are a weird man joker weird man. :D

QuoteTrue. It's a long shot, but I would love to see Anguirus appear. If even just briefly, I would take it!!!

Oh please there's no doubt that Anguirus will make an appearance somewhere in the G2014verse & even if doesn't make a physical one he'll probably be mention or shown in a book about other giant monsters from the dinosaur age.

QuoteI never would have thought to combine Ghidorah with Pokemon, but there you go. The Dorats.  :D

Hey at least they gave ghidorah an origin story rather than just him appear out of nowhere with no real backstory like in the showa. :P

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Fri, 20 Mar  2015, 12:27
You are a weird man joker weird man. :D

Anything's better than dull and boring.

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:D

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Oh please there's no doubt that Anguirus will make an appearance somewhere in the G2014verse & even if doesn't make a physical one he'll probably be mention or shown in a book about other giant monsters from the dinosaur age.

I'm not talking the easy way out like an easter egg. I'm talking a FULL BLOWN APPEARANCE!!!

Come on, dude. It's Angy. It would be awesome to see him in the Legendary Godzilla universe, but if not, there's always Toho's upcoming Godzilla films to look forward to. Anything other than another Heisei hibernation.  ;)

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Hey at least they gave ghidorah an origin story rather than just him appear out of nowhere with no real backstory like in the showa. :P

Mysterious marauding space dragon >>>> Dorats

All day. Every day.

Plus I liked how it's stated King Ghidorah was responsible for wiping out entire populations on Mars/Venus in the Showa era. Gives added weight and importance when he arrives on Earth. You know?

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QuoteAnything's better than dull and boring.

:D

True true. :P

QuoteI'm not talking the easy way out like an easter egg. I'm talking a FULL BLOWN APPEARANCE!!!

Come on, dude. It's Angy. It would be awesome to see him in the Legendary Godzilla universe, but if not, there's always Toho's upcoming Godzilla films to look forward to. Anything other than another Heisei hibernation.  ;)

I know i'm just saying but i'm with you though cause i think it would be cool seeing our spikey lil friend with godzilla again cause despite the two enemies in godzilla raids again or in other words gigantis the fire monster in america...blah  >:( the two are mostly recognized as the dynamic duo in the kaijuverse like batman & robin! :D
Also i heard about that new toho godzilla movie i just hope their reboot is the one they'll stick rather rebooting everytime the movie didn't make the fans happy like GMK for obvious reasons. >:(

Come on guys it was different yes but it was good & a great new take on the godzilla universe.
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Plus the godzilla suit is just badass. 8)

QuoteMysterious marauding space dragon >>>> Dorats

All day. Every day.

Plus I liked how it's stated King Ghidorah was responsible for wiping out entire populations on Mars/Venus in the Showa era. Gives added weight and importance when he arrives on Earth. You know?

;D

Yeah i know but i just the idea of ghidorah being somewhat of an innocent creature like it's dorat form that was created to be the prefect pet & then later on being taken control of just for evil deeds when they merged them together kinda makes him sympathetic if you think about joker. :-\

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Sat, 21 Mar  2015, 15:36
I know i'm just saying but i'm with you though cause i think it would be cool seeing our spikey lil friend with godzilla again cause despite the two enemies in godzilla raids again or in other words gigantis the fire monster in america...blah  >:( the two are mostly recognized as the dynamic duo in the kaijuverse like batman & robin! :D
Also i heard about that new toho godzilla movie i just hope their reboot is the one they'll stick rather rebooting everytime the movie didn't make the fans happy like GMK for obvious reasons. >:(

Come on guys it was different yes but it was good & a great new take on the godzilla universe.
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Plus the godzilla suit is just badass. 8)

I agree I like the G suit in GMK. Actually I kinda think GMK as being the crown jewel as far as the Millennium series goes. Such a good film, despite it's deviations from the typical approach, but to me that made all the more memorable.

With the upcoming era ( Whatever it ends up being called ... ? ), it would be cool to see Toho pull the trigger on Godzilla Jr. taking over the films which was only teased at at the end of Destroyah and the Heisei era, but I kinda doubt it. Would be interesting though ....

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Yeah i know but i just the idea of ghidorah being somewhat of an innocent creature like it's dorat form that was created to be the prefect pet & then later on being taken control of just for evil deeds when they merged them together kinda makes him sympathetic if you think about joker. :-\

It does. I guess I just like the idea that Ghidorah, especially since he's the most persistent of all Godzilla adversaries, is a complete badass Kaiju that's wiped out entire populations on other planets. Kinda paints a picture that Ghidorah is something of a force of nature to be reckoned with. I don't mind a sympathetic Ghidorah, just like I don't mind, and actually liked the "good" Ghidorah seen in GMK, but if we're going off of overall preference ... then the Ghidorah The Three Headed Monster representation all the way.

QuoteI agree I like the G suit in GMK. Actually I kinda think GMK as being the crown jewel as far as the Millennium series goes. Such a good film, despite it's deviations from the typical approach, but to me that made all the more memorable.

To me GMK,Godzilla 2000,& Godzilla Final Wars are the only G-films in the Millennium series that i actually liked cause they didn't need a deep story to be good...or rehash certain moments from the showa era like mothra's babies defeating godzilla again in Tokyo S.O.S i mean come on that was just a cheap move by the writers bottom line the Millennium series was a lackluster for me except for the 3 g-films i listed those really stood out from the rest.

QuoteWith the upcoming era ( Whatever it ends up being called ... ? ), it would be cool to see Toho pull the trigger on Godzilla Jr. taking over the films which was only teased at at the end of Destroyah and the Heisei era, but I kinda doubt it. Would be interesting though ....

Eh as much as i would love for it to happen the ending to godzilla vs destoryah was pretty much a symbol that godzilla's legacy will live on forever no matter but hey miracles can happen right?

QuoteIt does. I guess I just like the idea that Ghidorah, especially since he's the most persistent of all Godzilla adversaries, is a complete badass Kaiju that's wiped out entire populations on other planets. Kinda paints a picture that Ghidorah is something of a force of nature to be reckoned with. I don't mind a sympathetic Ghidorah, just like I don't mind, and actually liked the "good" Ghidorah seen in GMK, but if we're going off of overall preference ... then the Ghidorah The Three Headed Monster representation all the way.

Alrighty then.

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To me GMK,Godzilla 2000,& Godzilla Final Wars are the only G-films in the Millennium series that i actually liked cause they didn't need a deep story to be good...or rehash certain moments from the showa era like mothra's babies defeating godzilla again in Tokyo S.O.S i mean come on that was just a cheap move by the writers bottom line the Millennium series was a lackluster for me except for the 3 g-films i listed those really stood out from the rest.

I kinda like Against MechaGodzilla/S.O.S. due to it's continuity, and it playing with the Godzilla vs. Ghost Godzilla idea that was ultimately dropped during the Heisei era, but would agree that 2000, GMK, and Final Wars to be the best of the short run that was the Millennium era.

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Eh as much as i would love for it to happen the ending to godzilla vs destoryah was pretty much a symbol that godzilla's legacy will live on forever no matter but hey miracles can happen right?

Yeah, I took it that Toho wanted a little bit more of a upbeat ending since Godzilla's death was heavily advertised, as compared to, say, Return of Godzilla/Godzilla 1985.

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Alrighty then.

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QuoteI kinda like Against MechaGodzilla/S.O.S. due to it's continuity, and it playing with the Godzilla vs. Ghost Godzilla idea that was ultimately dropped during the Heisei era, but would agree that 2000, GMK, and Final Wars to be the best of the short run that was the Millennium era.

Eh that is the only thing i can give it props to but to me it felt like it was too late to use the idea of godzilla fighting his...grandpa?Anyways yeah too late & just prefer the other g-films i listed.

QuoteYeah, I took it that Toho wanted a little bit more of a upbeat ending since Godzilla's death was heavily advertised, as compared to, say, Return of Godzilla/Godzilla 1985.

Aw dude don't get me started
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0hfmLWi2-M
Well at least he came back with a vengeance.XD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSFsrKizFfo
& what a way to make a comeback by climbing out of a roaring volcano without giving 2 s**ts on your surrounding.

Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Wed, 25 Mar  2015, 07:17
Aw dude don't get me started

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0hfmLWi2-M

This will always be the definitive "death" of Godzilla for me. As for a good number of years, this was latest Godzilla film to be released stateside, and with pre-internet days, info on Toho's Godzilla was slim and none unless you just so happened to get lucky with a article in some magazine. I don't even recall knowing anything about vs. Biollante until 1992. When it aired on HBO!!!

QuoteWell at least he came back with a vengeance.XD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSFsrKizFfo

& what a way to make a comeback by climbing out of a roaring volcano without giving 2 s**ts on your surrounding.

Oh, how it warmed my heart to finally see that even though he went down, Godzilla was in no way out.  8)

QuoteThis will always be the definitive "death" of Godzilla for me. As for a good number of years, this was latest Godzilla film to be released stateside, and with pre-internet days, info on Toho's Godzilla was slim and none unless you just so happened to get lucky with a article in some magazine. I don't even recall knowing anything about vs. Biollante until 1992. When it aired on HBO!!!

...i just find my movies in yard sales & swap meets.XDDD

QuoteOh, how it warmed my heart to finally see that even though he went down, Godzilla was in no way out.  8)

Yeah it's just an iconic moment for godzilla although to me this scene is rivaled with his comeback in godzilla & mothra battle for earth where he had no choice but to swim through the earth cores & come out of mt.fuji once again just to get payback at battra for interrupting his fight with mothra...OH MAN WAS THAT SCENE EPIC ESPECIALLY THE SCENE WHERE GODZILLA & BATTRA FOUGHT UNDERWATER & GODZILLA SLAMS BATTRA TO THE GROUND REPEATABLY WITH HIS OWN TAIL!!!!!....o///o uh sorry went fanboy for a moment there.XD

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ESPECIALLY THE SCENE WHERE GODZILLA & BATTRA FOUGHT UNDERWATER & GODZILLA SLAMS BATTRA TO THE GROUND REPEATABLY WITH HIS OWN TAIL!!!!!....o///o uh sorry went fanboy for a moment there.XD

;D


And the next Toho Godzilla era is moving forward.  8)

http://variety.com/2015/film/asia/hideaki-anno-and-shinji-higuchi-to-direct-tohos-godzilla-2016-1201464017/

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Quote from: BatmanFanatic93 on Wed, 25 Mar  2015, 18:02
ESPECIALLY THE SCENE WHERE GODZILLA & BATTRA FOUGHT UNDERWATER & GODZILLA SLAMS BATTRA TO THE GROUND REPEATABLY WITH HIS OWN TAIL!!!!!....o///o uh sorry went fanboy for a moment there.XD

;D


And the next Toho Godzilla era is moving forward.  8)

http://variety.com/2015/film/asia/hideaki-anno-and-shinji-higuchi-to-direct-tohos-godzilla-2016-1201464017/

Already ahead of you joker old bean & like i said before i hope stick they with this gdozilla & not reboot everytime fans didn't like the film cause while i love toho bringing godzilla to my life i hate how they reboot the big g when he's doing so well in a era like the early showa films where godzilla was the main antagonist & the Heisei where they added some depth into godzilla's origins & personality like in godzilla 1985,godzilla vs. king ghidorah,mechagodzilla 2,spacegodzilla,& destroyah.

Any word on whether the new Toho film will stick with suitmation?

Don't believe anythings been absolutely confirmed on Suitmation being incorporated or not, but it would be nice in a way to distinctly separate the current Toho Godzilla with that of the Legendary franchise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngqOmNWVke0
0:54 is what you guys want. ;)

Wasn't really overly impressed with the recent trailer, but wasn't disappointed either. It has some really cool and interesting shots, while others featuring Godzilla appear to be unfinished. I do like how the trailer highlighted the battles between Godzilla and the military. Which is reminiscent of Godzilla 1954 and Godzilla 1985, and (to paraphrase Jack Nicholson from Mars Attacks!) that's not bad!

Yup. There's a new King Kong coming out. Which appears to be one of the largest, if not THE largest Kong yet.

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As a guy who digs giant monster movies, I'm curious to see more of this. The connection to Legendary's Godzilla doesn't hurt, plus I'm also curious to see if Kong will be re-established as a unique "neither beast nor man" type of creature as he was in the original 1933 film (also in the 1977 remake as well), than just going the Peter Jackson route and making Kong essentially a giant silver back gorilla. Which was fine, but kinda took away the mystique/uniqueness of Kong.

From the poster, it certainly appears to be more the former than the latter, and that's great!

Here's the trailer <iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/E591L_sxw-k" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I'm a huge fan of Peter Jackson's epic remake so I'm always interested in anything Kong. This one quite good and Kong is ENORMOUS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z46cMJv5_bU

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I'm a huge fan of Peter Jackson's epic remake so I'm always interested in anything Kong. This one quite good and Kong is ENORMOUS.

Yeah, this trailer has done nothing but perk my interest even further, and yeah, Kong better be enormous if he wants to take on Godzilla at some point ....  ;)

When it comes to Godzilla or Kong, I'm a Kong guy.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5DkAJag_6lU


I like it!

Completely down for this, and how it ties into Godzilla 2014.

Also, giving that the film is set in the 1970's, I get a King Kong 1976 vibe as well. I really dig that Kong is shown walking around on his hind legs, much like he did in 1933/1976 (in addition to Kong's Toho appearances), and clearly being something of an entirely new species, rather than how he was essentially a giganto silver back gorilla in Peter Jackson's 2005 King Kong.

Not that I dislike Jackson's effort, but the "neither beast nor man" quality really gave Kong a very mythical quality that I found lacking with PJ's interpretation.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FtNFazJcPYM

It's good to.have the big ape back on the big screen.

Looking forward to seeing this, and of course the after credit sequence!

For any Kong fans out there, James Rolfe over at Cinemassacre has been doing a Kongathon in the run up to the new movie:


James and Mike also made a video about the videogame of the Peter Jackson film:

Finally got to check it out.

KONG SMASH!

I had a lot of fun. Kong Skull Island might not be another ambitious remake, but it's a grand monster adventure. One of the things I liked most about it was actually the pacing, and I mean that in the best possible sense - it had archetypal, but likeable characters (John C. Reily was easily the most personable), introduced quickly and efficiently, plenty of spectacle action, and all of it was achieved that kept the story moving at a brisk pace. It's all I had hoped for, really.

Also, I liked how it's established that the natives on the island age at a seemingly slower rate, which evidently may be the case for Kong as well, and that, yes, he's still growing!

To put things in Kong perspective:


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Evidently, Kong will be even larger by the time King Kong vs Godzilla takes place. Which, as huge as Legendary's Godzilla is, needed to happen anyways.

Rodan, Mothra and King Ghidorah, all set to Debussy's Clair de lune. This should be fun.

Yes. Everything is looking very on point with this.

As a Godzilla, Japanese Kaiju (and now Legendary is referring to them as Titans ) guy, this looks like a blast. I noticed at the 2018 SDCC, that someone from Kong: Skull Island would be in Godzilla 2.

https://screenrant.com/godzilla-2-ch...-skull-island/

http://comicbook.com/anime/2018/07/2...-skull-island/

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/245...ho-it-might-be

Long live the King .....

We'll see of course, but watching Godzilla, Rodan, Mothra, and King Ghidorah in a battle royal is going to be entertaining as hell, before we get to King Kong vs Godzilla that the Monsterverse has been building towards.  8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDnKuFtdc7A

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That was gorgeous.

I have to say, the astute use of "over the rainbow" to highlight the visuals, and the sheer sense of awe rather than just using the oh-so-familiar "bwams" or some deployed classic rock song really works with these trailers.

Mama said knock you out - Final Look

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC-DOCbdbmw

This movie looks like it's going to be a blast! The use of the song made me think all the way back to the Godzilla MTV Lifetime Achievement Award video back in 1996.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A18IyJf-J9E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odM92ap8_c0

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Day 1 "must see" for me!

Originally, my perspective on this movie was basically total apathy. It didn't interest me enough to want to buy a movie ticket.

But since it's coming to HBO Max at no additional charge, yeah, sure. Why not? I'll give it a shot. I haven't seen any of these newfangled Godzilla or Kong movies but this one seems interesting. I'll give it a day in court.

Godzilla vs Kong is fundamentally the Monsterverse "payoff" movie that's been building up since 2017 with "Kong Skull Island". Sure, one could count the 2014 "Godzilla" Legendary reboot that originally kicked off the Monsterverse, but from what I'm gathering, much of the plot threads that are being carried over into GvK, is more or less stemming from 2017's "Kong Skull Island", and 2019's "Godzilla King of the Monsters" than the introductory 2014 film.

I have no idea if "Kong Skull Island", and "Godzilla King of the Monsters" is currently available on HBO Max (I know digital platforms love playing this game where movies are available, then not, then back available again), but if you're wanting to give GVK 'a day in court', you may as well check those out so you are at least brushed up on what the hell is going on during this payoff finale.

It's not quite the huge undertaking of having to watch a library of MCU films just in order to actually enjoy/understand Infinity War/Endgame (otherwise it's just a bunch of CGI fights with characters you would care less about). However, I couldn't imagine someone who had no interest in "Batman Begins", and "The Dark Knight", suddenly deciding to watch "The Dark Knight Rises" and getting any kind of level of enjoyment that a person who even nonchalantly watched the previous two, would get. At the very least, there would be some form of familiarity there.

Course, everyone has their own deal. C'est la vie.

Before seeing this trailer I barely knew about the movie or had any real interest. But I'll check it out now. There has to be a story of some kind to justify the confrontation. But I don't know how nuanced or philosophical you can go with such a concept. A movie with two oversized goliaths demands lots of crazy action, otherwise what's the point?

The 2014 Godzilla solo film was a letdown from that perspective. I found it mind numbingly boring and contemplated walking out half way through. But this trailer? It looks like a fun time. Godzilla has the automatic advantage, and if we're being honest, he'd win. But as a character, I'm all about Kong. I prefer him as a one-shot tragic hero, but this film at least allows him to strut his stuff beyond the confines of that tale.

I'm wondering how they're going to resolve the conflict. Do they kill one of them off? I find that unlikely. Reaching a draw of some kind and uniting to fight a common foe would be a safe option. 

Right now, I'm thinking the safe option is more probable. As *SPOILERS* -- MechaGodzilla is supposedly going to make his Monsterverse debut in this.

Going purely off the trailer, it definitely comes across as GvK being a 'heroes journey' for Kong, and he's definitely the protagonist for sure. Just as he basically was back in the 1962 original (where Godzilla was just a out and out villain and not going haywire for mysterious reasons suggested by the GvK trailer). Godzilla King of the Monsters (2019) made the point that Godzilla was now considered the alpha among his kaiju peers (they're called titans in this universe), with Kong noticeably absent. Actually, Kong didn't even respond to King Ghidorah's call when Ghidorah was considered the alpha either. Which kinda goes along with the trailer, with the line of, "Kong bows to no one."

I imagine GvK will mirror Rocky IV to some extent. Where one appears to have all the advantages (Godzilla/Drago), the other will show a determination, sheer will, and heart that is second to none and clearly is more than enough to make for a formidable opponent (Kong/Rocky).

Godzilla 2014 is an acquired taste for sure. I liked it, but at the time, I was pretty starved for new Godzilla content, as the franchise was dormant for a good 10 years prior to Legendary's 2014 film. Gareth Edwards' JAWS approach was an unique way to go about Godzilla, where you don't really get a lot of him until the last part of the movie, but it is what it is. I think the trailers were misleading due to the heavy focus on Bryan Cranston's character, and I think a lot of people thought this was going to be Walter White vs Godzilla. Which, obviously, it wasn't. It's not a film I revisit anymore, mainly due to just how dark the night scenes are on the blu. As I don't recall having any problems watching this in the theater, but trying to watch it at home is just unbearable. As you can barely tell whats going on it's so dark during the night scenes at the end. Course I can turn up the lightness/contrast on the tv, but you shouldn't be forced to do that just to watch a damn movie.

I almost want to consider Godzilla 2014 a one off, mainly due to the overall presentation of the Monsterverse being much more consistent in it's tone/style with the films that followed it. If I were to recommend a more recent Godzilla one off film, it would be Shin Godzilla over Godzilla 2014 for sure.

Quote from: The Joker on Sun, 24 Jan  2021, 22:19

Godzilla vs Kong is fundamentally the Monsterverse "payoff" movie that's been building up since 2017 with "Kong Skull Island". Sure, one could count the 2014 "Godzilla" Legendary reboot that originally kicked off the Monsterverse, but from what I'm gathering, much of the plot threads that are being carried over into GvK, is more or less stemming from 2017's "Kong Skull Island", and 2019's "Godzilla King of the Monsters" than the introductory 2014 film.

I have no idea if "Kong Skull Island", and "Godzilla King of the Monsters" is currently available on HBO Max (I know digital platforms love playing this game where movies are available, then not, then back available again), but if you're wanting to give GVK 'a day in court', you may as well check those out so you are at least brushed up on what the hell is going on during this payoff finale.

It's not quite the huge undertaking of having to watch a library of MCU films just in order to actually enjoy/understand Infinity War/Endgame (otherwise it's just a bunch of CGI fights with characters you would care less about). However, I couldn't imagine someone who had no interest in "Batman Begins", and "The Dark Knight", suddenly deciding to watch "The Dark Knight Rises" and getting any kind of level of enjoyment that a person who even nonchalantly watched the previous two, would get. At the very least, there would be some form of familiarity there.

Course, everyone has their own deal. C'est la vie.

Challenge accepted. Besides, there's plenty of time before GVK comes out anyway.

Tonight? Kong: Skull Island. Because Godzilla 2014 isn't on HBO Max. Or, if it is, I couldn't find it. So, Kong: Skull Island it is.

Honestly, pretty enjoyable little movie. I know basically jacknothing about Kong. Ditto Godzilla, for that matter. I think there was a window of opportunity for my fandom to go in a monster kind of direction. But after B89 came out, that was it, show's over, it's comic book and superheroes from here on in. Still, I do remember the interest I had in monster movies when I was a kid and that same sense of mystery and thrills was going on with Kong: Skull Island.

I think the real secret weapon of Kong: Skull Island is Sam Jackson. The movie obviously needs a baddie and Jackson's character is perfect for that. The warrior who can't contemplate peacetime, he was always planning on going out in a blaze of... something. Can't say glory. But definitely something. I think it was fine for him to die as a villain than live a lost, mixed up soldier. From the jump, he was always on a suicide run. Kong only put him out of everybody's misery.

Considering Godzilla 2014's seeming absence from HBO Max, all that's rly left now is Godzilla: King of the Monsters. Figure I can tackle that one tomorrow night.

I like Alien, Aliens, Predator and Predator 2 to a lesser extent. But apart from that I've never been into the monster scene that much. I quite like Peter Jackson's Kong. It's definitely not perfect but I can appreciate what he was going for in terms of crafting another epic ala LOTR, and creating a weird and dark world with Skull Island.

I like the 1930s setting a lot. It's when the world was a bigger and more primitive place. It's more believable an uncharted place full of dinosaurs could have existed away from the modern world. It's why Indiana Jones works so much better in that timeframe.

In a fight, I'd say Kong would get more blows in. But are those blows going to do anything substantial? That's the question. And I'd wager Godzilla only really needs one radioactive breath to hit and the meeting is over. Kong would have to do more to survive, and thus stay in the fight. If Godzilla did arrive at Skull Island, I think it would be too much to handle.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Mon, 25 Jan  2021, 03:38
Challenge accepted. Besides, there's plenty of time before GVK comes out anyway.

Tonight? Kong: Skull Island. Because Godzilla 2014 isn't on HBO Max. Or, if it is, I couldn't find it. So, Kong: Skull Island it is.

Honestly, pretty enjoyable little movie. I know basically jacknothing about Kong. Ditto Godzilla, for that matter. I think there was a window of opportunity for my fandom to go in a monster kind of direction. But after B89 came out, that was it, show's over, it's comic book and superheroes from here on in. Still, I do remember the interest I had in monster movies when I was a kid and that same sense of mystery and thrills was going on with Kong: Skull Island.

I think the real secret weapon of Kong: Skull Island is Sam Jackson. The movie obviously needs a baddie and Jackson's character is perfect for that. The warrior who can't contemplate peacetime, he was always planning on going out in a blaze of... something. Can't say glory. But definitely something. I think it was fine for him to die as a villain than live a lost, mixed up soldier. From the jump, he was always on a suicide run. Kong only put him out of everybody's misery.

Considering Godzilla 2014's seeming absence from HBO Max, all that's rly left now is Godzilla: King of the Monsters. Figure I can tackle that one tomorrow night.

That's what I am talking about!

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Happy to hear you liked Kong Skull Island, Colors.

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Yeah, TDK, I can see why you gravitate towards more of the 1930's setting. As there was decidedly more of a mystique in the public consciousness about uncharted designations and such. The time frame was perfect really. The Peter Jackson 2005 Kong, and even the 1976 remake to some degree (it was directed very competently for the time and had a great score to be honest), was more 'high art'. The original '33 set a pretty high bar, and both of the subsequent remakes wanted to at least reach that mark. That was essentially their goal. With Kong Skull Island, the goal wasn't to be some grand epic, but just to have fun with the King Kong concept while expanding upon the Legendary Monsterverse that was established in 2014. If anything, it succeeded.

It's definitely going to be a fight, but if there is a aspect of Kong that is carried over from the original 1962 King Kong vs Godzilla, I would have to assume that Kong will be illustrated to have a scary brute strength that makes him formidable alone. Never mind that he's going to be a strategic fighter on top of that. As, apparently, Kong will be wielding a giant axe in fighting Godzilla to even the playing field just a little bit (take notes, Thor ... Kong's going for the head!). I also liked that Kong knew better than attempt to go into the water after he knocked Godzilla off into the water in the GvK trailer. That's not where you want to be when fighting Godzilla, and Kong knows this. Going back to the '62 original film, I remember King Kong picking up Godzilla by his tail, and literally swinging him around off his feet! Kong appears to be swinging around a snake or something in the trailer (which in turn is colliding with a bat like creature), and I would not be surprised if he does this again in GvK only with Godzilla getting the treatment. Both are going to get their licks in for sure. Godzilla is no push over. It's going to be a fight. And it should be extremely entertaining as well.

Personally, I've always been a monster/giant monster/creature/animal guy since I can remember. I'm there. Like Colors, Superheroes and Comics, but just add monsters to the list. Maybe JAWS sparked it? But yeah, that sort of stuff has always been my jam.

Official Japanese trailer

The Big G gets some offense in this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImiBYNUWjQ0

New official poster that expands upon the GvKK aircraft carrier fight sequence that's much more of a back and forth according to the footage that's been release thus far.

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Nice little retrospective of the Kong and Godzilla franchisees and rivalry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szgtm_f5UOU

SPOILER REVIEW:



Whelp, checked this out, finally, on Friday and was pretty entertained by the film itself. Once again, GvK deviates from Godzilla 2014's style of storytelling, and is definitely a non-apologetic popcorn movie, as has been most of the Monsterverse movies, so if you're down with that, you shouldn't have any worries.

First off, the film is decidedly more focused on Kong than Godzilla in GvK. I mean, both have their characterizations, but in this one, Kong was elevated here to another level. The amount of expressionism and character he was given here was damn near Caesar levels and I loved it. When the ending came I honestly felt like he was even more solidified as a proper kaiju within the Monsterverse continuity, and seeing him end his arc and start a new journey was a change of pace for sure.

So yeah, while I would say all the other Monsterverse films featured human characters as the protagonist, it's Kong taking center stage in GvK. Without a doubt.

Godzilla was much less prominent in the overall plot and acted as more of the "other combatant you should be afraid of" with an aura of villainy to him. However, when he did appear on screen he utterly stole the show. He's an absolute BEAST and everyone knows it. From the predatory way in which he circled the aircraft carrier and tried to drown Kong, to his epic rampage scenes in Pensacola and Hong Kong and finally his climatic battle with Kong, just a complete badass.

But yeah, on the question of who wins?

It's Godzilla.

Pretty much everything pointed to a Kong win with how the film and the plot was structured, but nope. Kong gets off a good shot (yeah the one that's in all the trailers), and wins a round, but the battle ends with a Godzilla victory, who then shows mercy on Kong. However, I think the cool thing to point out is that Kong never yielded in the fight. The dude took a "SUBMIT" roar while being stepped on and still roared back a loud "SCREW YOU" right to Godzilla's face.

With the fight, it's s spectacle all right. I literally freeze framed the fight in several shots, and every frame is a painting. It was so well lit, even at night time you could see everything. Loved it. No rain or storm to obscure it. Which was a welcome change for sure.

As to why Godzilla shows mercy, it's never really explained. I would suspect that Godzilla recognized Kong's intelligence and use of strategy during the fight, and thus respected him as a top tier kaiju. Which basically separates his mindset from previous Godzilla's, as it's understood that both the Godzilla and Kong species in the past, were far from friendly with one another. Actually, the axe weapon Kong uses in the film is found within the hollow earth embedded firmly within a skull of a long dead Godzilla if that tells you anything. So in that sense, to me, it's akin to Rocky Balboa and Apollo Creed, which started adversarial, but grew into a mutual respect by the end. Luckily for Godzilla, choosing not to kill Kong worked out for the best, as when Mechagodzilla appears, he's pretty much the BvS Doomsday in this, and it very much takes both of them to stop the mecha titan.

With Mechagodzilla, I think overall has a nice blocky 80s robot look to him (like a G1 Transformer). In this universe, this is the very first of it's kind, so it shouldn't look overly designed or super sleek. So this works for me, but man, with the limited screen time, MechaG DOES deliver one hell of a smackdown to both Godzilla and Kong!

As far as flaws go, I don't have a issue with the pacing too much, as the 2 hours flew by thanks to the breakneck pacing, but it seemed fairly obvious that the film was cut down significantly to acquire the near 2 hour running time. I am one of those guys who liked the theatrical cut of BvS, but having said that, it was even more glaring that GvK was subjected to some rather significant cuts which had an effect on large portions of the plot and stuff presented. Ren Serizawa was a character I felt was underwhelming. Especially in light of his father's role in G2014 and Godzilla King of the Monsters. I was initially expecting his character to be something memorable, but he was just kinda there. Also, GvK has two parallel stories (Lind, Andrews, Jia, and Kong for the A Plot (Team Kong); Madison, Josh, and Bernie for the B Plot (Team Godzilla)) and the villain Walter has three major henchmen (Ren, Maya, and Mechagodzilla) with Godzilla serving as a second faux villain who naturally turns out to be not as villainous as previously thought after all. For a movie that isn't even quite 2 hours, that's a LOT going on. GvK was kinda the worst script, based on what we've seen of it, to try to chop down to under two hours. They did it, and it's worked out successfully, but going forward they REALLY need to take cues from Rampage and The Meg and just stick with ONE core group and story line to be perfectly honest.

That's pretty much a wrap. Can't say I really had a horse in this race and I would have been fine with either winning in this version between Kong and Godzilla, but it's an enjoyable romp and is aided significantly with how emotive Kong is as a character. As he's very much the protagonist in this film. Good to see that it's doing so well at the box office even though it shared a dual release on HBO Max like WW1984 back in Dec. I understand that Toho is open to continue licensing out Godzilla to Legendary/Warners (I believe Legendary are much more invested monetary wise than Warners), so we'll see what happens.

Personally, i wouldn't mind seeing a Kong 2, Godzilla 3, leading to a rebooted version of Destroy All Monsters, but once again, we'll see. Much like ZSJL, I can imagine GvK viewing/streaming numbers being rather significant.

This is an enjoyable popcorn movie.

My other thoughts:

Human characters can sink these films but I found the story engaging enough to justify the premise.
The action delivered what I was wanting. There was enough of it, and it was clearly visible.
The outcome of the fight is logical and not insulting to either monster.
Godzilla is heavier, has thicker hide and atomic breath, but Kong is the better fighter and a more interesting character.
Visually it's nice to look at, especially when the story ventures into a certain exotic land.

I'm a Kong guy, so I liked the focus he had. There's a deeper emotional element, exciting physical movement and that stubborn never give up attitude. Even when he's outmatched, he'll pick up the axe, roar and never back down. I find Godzilla boring in comparison. Essentially just a set of scales in the water and a slow lumbering mass when on foot. But I think both fanbases should leave feeling satisfied with the finished product.

I enjoyed it, but GvK is all I really need with the concept.

Oh, MechaG getting a sweet poster.

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In the real world I would 100% support the creation of a Mecha Godzilla. Godzilla is a force of nature who swims the oceans and can stomp in anywhere at any time, causing thousands of deaths and a big mess. Imagine having that level of dread hanging over humanity all the time.

Even well behaved dogs can snap and maul people - because they're animals. Because of that I'd be looking to kill Godzilla any way I could, and that goes for any other similar creature. It's logical.

But not Kong. If Kong causes a mess in a city that's on humanity because they brought him there via boat. He's only defending himself in an alien environment, and would have preferred remaining home at Skull Island.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHnCtl6uO9c

Having liked Legendary's 2014 Godzilla film, the movie repeatedly made it abundantly clear that Godzilla was non-antagonistic towards humanity. Even to the point where he would dodge ships, choosing to dive deeper underwater to avoid any potential collisions, and not even retaliating even when Godzilla was under attack (the bridge scene). Sure, it was the film's way to illustrate that Godzilla wasn't the bad guy in this, but I personally prefer (if we're going with Godzilla being more heroic than villainous) the more unpredictable notion where Godzilla could save the city from another kaiju, and then turn around and burn it to the ground directly afterwards. Who's the say? What would stop him? In some ways, this is akin to Bruce's mindset and reaction to 'Mankind's introduction to the Superman' in BvS. Which was shared with the public as well, and also would likely be a similar reaction to a Godzilla that suddenly appeared to battle another kaiju, and then disappear back into the deep sea. The consensus would be split. Some would view him as a savior of sorts due to his interference with a much more hostile monster (a view that may very well deepen if Godzilla remained incognito for a extended stretch of time afterwards), while other's would probably view Godzilla as a literal demon from hell.

Mechagodzilla's backstory within the Godzilla films has changed over the years, just like the continuity itself. Originally, in the Showa era (kinda like a Earth-Two or Pre-Crisis sense), Mechagodzilla was a villainous cyborg built by aliens to tackle the firmly established good guy earth defender Godzilla in the mid 1970's. When MechaG was re-introduced in the early 1990's during the Heisei era/continuity (we'll just go with Post-Crisis on this), MechaG was indeed a military creation to take down Godzilla. As in the Heisei films, Godzilla was portrayed as more of a anti-hero than being completely heroic as he was in many of the Showa films. There are other versions of him of course, but evidently the Legendary Mechagodzilla was built in secret by the Apex company, and while Apex's intentions are understandable, (apparently) being forced to use the decapitated Ghidorah head as a CPU of sorts, which of course turned out to be a extremely bad idea and no doubt caused even more casualties than the Godzilla vs Kong fight that preceded MechaG's reveal.

With King Kong, it's much more of a tragic situation there. He's basically got the stranger in a strange land thing going, and depending on which version we're discussing, there is a degree of sympathy towards him. One thing I appreciated about the original 1962 King Kong vs Godzilla (other than Kong being much more of a powerhouse in it), was that Toho kept the "Beast" motif going pretty strongly throughout the film. Yes, Kong was definitely the "good guy" in the film, as opposed to the outright villainous Godzilla in 1962, but Kong was also very much a beast in the film. Even attacking cities, and finding a human female who was obviously scared sh*tless (much like Fay Wray's Ann), to become infatuated with. Ever since the 1976 King Kong movie, Kong has been much more romanticized in his portrayal, along with there being genuine affection between Ann and Kong. Where in the 1933 original, Fay Wray's Ann Darrow came across as more detached to what happened to Kong, than 1976's Dwan or the 2005 Ann Darrow was. That's for sure.

I've always thought that Godzilla's value stems less from his straightforward characterisation – which, as Joker points out, varies from one era to the next – and more from what he represents. Good science fiction tends to reflect the anxieties of the culture in which it was produced, and the original 1954 Gojira is a perfect example of this. It's not a kid-friendly monster mash like most of the sequels that followed, but a dark and serious drama that highlights the anxieties of post-War Japan. The most obvious of these anxieties is the fear of nuclear annihilation resulting from the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Nuclear apocalypse is a common theme in Japanese sci-fi, and Godzilla is the single most iconic embodiment of that fear. He was born from a nuclear blast and his fire breath is radioactive. The imagery of him wading through burning Japanese cities consciously evokes the devastation inflicted by the 1944-1945 firebombing of Tokyo.


The debate surrounding the use of Dr. Serizawa's Oxygen Destroyer in the 1954 film is also an obvious commentary on the moral uncertainty concerning the use of WMDs during wartime. The shadow of World War II looms heavily over that movie, which is hardly surprising considering it was made less than a decade after Japan's surrender. That said, Godzilla's cultural symbolism goes back a lot further than WW2. Japan is a nation that's regularly afflicted with earthquakes. According to their old folklore, these earthquakes are caused by a giant catfish named Namazu who is said to sleep beneath Japan. Whenever Namazu moves, natural disasters occur. Even now, the image of Namazu is still used on modern earthquake warning signs across the country.


So the idea of blaming natural disasters on a giant animal is deeply ingrained in their folklore, which might explain why the kaiju genre has such resonance with Japanese audiences. Take that concept and combine it with their post-war terror of nuclear annihilation and you get Godzilla. He's the perfect encapsulation of their fears. I don't think any other culture could have produced him in quite the same way.

Godzilla's transformation from villain to hero as the film series progressed can be seen as a reflection of the cultural changes that have occurred since the 1950s. The trauma of WW2 has grown more distant with each generation, and Japan and America are now firm military allies (see the recent joint naval manoeuvres conducted by the US, Japan, UK, France, India and Australia in the Indo-Pacific for a preview of what a future military alliance against Russia or China might look like). Thus Godzilla became a friendly defensive entity that would awaken whenever Japan was threatened, and the movies lost much of their metaphorical resonance as a consequence.

The only other Godzilla film which has the same cultural and thematic depth as the 1954 original is Shin Gojira (2016), aka Godzilla Resurgence. This time the symbolism of Godzilla was used to confront a more recent trauma in Japanese history: the Fukushima Daiichi disaster caused by the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami. Here we have a combination of both a natural disaster and a nuclear disaster occurring simultaneously. Godzilla was the perfect cultural symbol with which to metaphorically confront the tragedy of those events, and the film's bleak imagery intentionally mirrors the news footage that was captured back in 2011. Once again, Godzilla was used as an allegory for a real life disaster.


Joker's Pre-Crisis/Post-Crisis analogy is a good one. Just as the original 1939 Batman was a coldblooded pulp vigilante who went around murdering criminals, so was the original Godzilla a frightening and antagonistic symbol of mass destruction. Both characters were subsequently sanitised to become kid-friendly heroes. Toho's attempt to take Godzilla back to his darker roots during the Heisei era (1984–1995) is analogous to DC's deconstructive treatment of its heroes in the Post-Crisis era (Batman: Year One, Hawkworld, Superman: The Man of Steel, etc). Since Godzilla's original characterisation was villainous, it makes sense to have him serve a villainous role in Godzilla vs. Kong. Of course Kong can be a villain too, but he's generally a more sympathetic villain.

I don't think Kong has quite the same cultural depth that Godzilla has, at least not in terms of what he symbolises. But he has more emotional depth by virtue of being a more anthropomorphic character. He's not human, but he's closer to being a human than Godzilla is. I haven't contemplated the subtext of the original 1933 King Kong too deeply, but I suppose one reading could be that it's a critique of western colonialism. I doubt that's what the filmmakers intended back in the day, but it's probably how many modern critics would interpret the film now. In his homeland King Kong reigned supreme.


But when he's brought to America his position is inverted so that he's the one in chains being presented as a trophy before the masses.


He's an enslaved commodity exploited by a foreign aggressor; a simian metaphor for oil and other captured resources. In that sense he can be seen as a victim, at least more so than Godzilla can. So again, it makes sense to have him be the hero. I'm very much in the Team Godzilla camp (I still haven't seen the latest movie), but I do like Kong as well. It's nice to know these classic monsters can still draw a crowd after so many years.

Now I want to see Mechani-Kong make his long-awaited return.


Of course they might have to change the name of the villain who created him. I hear there's already a character named 'Dr. Who'...

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Outstanding post, Silver Nemesis!

You definitely know your stuff.  8)

Oh, and +1 on Mechani-Kong. That character has been talked about for a return for the better part of 30 years now. As I think Toho was originally thinking about using Mechani-Kong as a substitute for Kong in their follow-up to 1989's Godzilla vs. Biollante. At this stage in the Monsterverse, he would fit right on in there.

I'd never heard about Mechani-Kong appearing in the Godzilla series until now, but I can see how it might have worked. The plot of Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah (1991) involves Godzilla turning into the villain halfway through the movie. Instead of deploying Mecha-Ghidorah against him, the humans and Futurians could have brought in Mechani-Kong. That would have been interesting.

Aside from Mechani-Kong, there are some other kaiju I'd like to see return in future movies. For a start, Sanda and Gaira from The War of the Gargantuas (1966).


These guys would make a welcome addition considering the original King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962) began development as a King Kong vs. Frankenstein project. The closest we ever got to Kong vs. Frankenstein was Frankenstein Conquers the World (1965), to which The War of the Gargantuas is a sequel. Sanda and Gaira are basically offshoots of Frankenstein's monster and would be perfect opponents for Kong. They already encountered Godzilla in a 2014 comic, but they've yet to face off against him or Kong in live action.


But the most obvious kaiju to add to the mix has got to be Gamera. This needs to happen.

Josh Grode, the CEO of Legendary Entertainment, says the company has more ideas for future films in the MonsterVerse.

I'm all for it, especially from a Kong point of view as he's feeling even more like a character in his own right. The reboot has given him two enjoyable films that broaden his scope outside the classic original tale. I only need two versions of that tale, the original and the most modern retelling of it. Any other variations don't interest me because of sheer repetition. And poor quality.

So I choose these four:

King Kong (1933)
King Kong (2005)
Kong: Skull Island
Godzilla v Kong

Not a bad bunch of films.

I had a passing interest in Kong but it's been awakened into something a little more now. If they have a good idea for a third movie they should proceed. Keeping the focus on exciting action would secure an audience in any case. Peter Jackson had an idea for another Kong film which I'd also like to hear more about.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Mon, 12 Apr  2021, 18:37
I'd never heard about Mechani-Kong appearing in the Godzilla series until now, but I can see how it might have worked. The plot of Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah (1991) involves Godzilla turning into the villain halfway through the movie. Instead of deploying Mecha-Ghidorah against him, the humans and Futurians could have brought in Mechani-Kong. That would have been interesting.

That's the one!

Originally, Toho wanted to do a reboot of King Kong vs. Godzilla for the Heisei era following Biollante, but the Kong rights issue became too much of a hurdle. Mechani-Kong was an option, especially since Nintendo actually won their Donkey Kong lawsuit against Universal Studios, but Toho decided to go with Ghiodrah/Mecha-Ghidorah instead and the rest is history.

QuoteAside from Mechani-Kong, there are some other kaiju I'd like to see return in future movies. For a start, Sanda and Gaira from The War of the Gargantuas (1966).

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These guys would make a welcome addition considering the original King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962) began development as a King Kong vs. Frankenstein project. The closest we ever got to Kong vs. Frankenstein was Frankenstein Conquers the World (1965), to which The War of the Gargantuas is a sequel. Sanda and Gaira are basically offshoots of Frankenstein's monster and would be perfect opponents for Kong. They already encountered Godzilla in a 2014 comic, but they've yet to face off against him or Kong in live action.

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But the most obvious kaiju to add to the mix has got to be Gamera. This needs to happen.

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Nice idea about Kong vs. the Gargantuas, and yeah, that Gamera crossover sincerely needs to happen. I don't care if it's within the Monsterverse, or under a Toho/Kadokawa Daiei Studio partnership.

Let's do this.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 14 Apr  2021, 01:06
Josh Grode, the CEO of Legendary Entertainment, says the company has more ideas for future films in the MonsterVerse.

I'm all for it, especially from a Kong point of view as he's feeling even more like a character in his own right. The reboot has given him two enjoyable films that broaden his scope outside the classic original tale. I only need two versions of that tale, the original and the most modern retelling of it. Any other variations don't interest me because of sheer repetition. And poor quality.

So I choose these four:

King Kong (1933)
King Kong (2005)
Kong: Skull Island
Godzilla v Kong

Not a bad bunch of films.

I had a passing interest in Kong but it's been awakened into something a little more now. If they have a good idea for a third movie they should proceed. Keeping the focus on exciting action would secure an audience in any case. Peter Jackson had an idea for another Kong film which I'd also like to hear more about.

Yeah, Peter Jackson's involvement with Kong really began nearly 10 years before the 2005 remake was even released. 1996 to be precise, and was originally scheduled for a 1998 date. Coincidentally, the same year the GINO came out on Memorial Day (along with the animated, The Mighty Kong, and even a Mighty Joe Young remake).

I can't say I watched Jackson's Kong Production Diaries when they originally aired over on the KongisKing website back in the day (I *think* that was the website if memory serves), but I did check them out when I bought the nice box set that came out on DVD for the release of Peter Jackson's King Kong in Dec 2005. That April Fool's prank about a remake of "Son of Kong" was excellent, but bittersweet as well cause it came across like it probably would have made for a very entertaining film to be perfectly honest here.

I've always had a soft spot for the 1976 Kong, and personally looking very much forward to the May 2021 blu ray release Shout Factory is putting out, that actually has the extended TV cut included. Which I've never seen. Speaking of that movie, it's crazy to think of how much the DVD of King Kong Lives is going for these days. I can't even remember the last time I bothered watching it, but I guess I'm glad I went ahead and picked it up for like $5 at a walgreens of all places years ago, compared to the prices I see it going for now. Quality doesn't matter when it's OOP. That's for sure.

I've never seen King Kong Lives, but I do have a certain affection for the 1976 film. It was actually the first King Kong movie I saw as a child. If nothing else, the score by John Barry deserves some love.

Yes! That John Barry score is just incredibly epic, and really elevates the 1976 film itself in a lot of ways. I've read online people's recollections of the 1976 King Kong when it originally played in theaters, and it seems like the Kong promotion was somewhere around JAWS levels of hype (which was only just the year prior), and that was probably something special to have had experienced.

Personally, out of all the King Kong movie posters, I tend to always prefer the 1976 poster the most. Hell, one of these days I might just go ahead and pick up a reprint for display, but yeah, the John Berkey art is simply outstanding.

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I was lucky enough to get the regular Paramount DVD of King Kong 1976 with the original poster art on the cover that was put out prior to 9/11. Which then, was re-issued on DVD with a more reddish, generic-as-all-get-out DVD cover. The upcoming Shout Factory release has nice slipcover, but I am hoping we get a reversible blu ray slip featuring the original poster artwork like many other Shout Factory releases have had previously. Guess we'll see, but it's always good having an option.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd81eVyG5_4

I wasn't aware of the fact that, apparently, despite making less at the box office than Godzilla 2014, and Kong: Skull Island, 2019's Godzilla King of the Monsters performed very well on home media and merch sales (outperforming Godzilla 2014 on those fronts).

As Yogurt would say: "Merchandising, merchandising, where the real money from the movie is made."

ME has a point here in saying it makes a whole lot of sense for Toho to kick back, and agree to an extension of their contract with Legendary. Oversaturation would be a concern, especially if between the Monsterverse and Toho, Godzilla-centric movies would be put out every year, but these days (especially these days) I don't think it would be confusing to the audiences to figure out which universe is which.

My only thing, is that if Toho is dead set on doing their own Godzilla films inbetween the years of a possible continuing Monsterverse schedule, I personally would have preferred a more "Millennium Era" style approach where they could really get creative with the films, as opposed to concentrating on adhering to a shared universe/continuity. Stuff like Shin Godzilla and 2001's GMK are spectacular examples of this.

Evidently, Legendary's Monsterverse is indeed continuing post GvK.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/adam-wingard-next-godzilla-kong-movie-director

QuoteOne possible title being floated internally at Legendary? 'Son of Kong.'

It wasn't the most encouraging start.

Just as Legendary's Godzilla vs. Kong was beginning postproduction in 2019, the company's Godzilla: King of the Monsters opened — and underperformed. The movie, which cost $170 million to make, grossed only $386 million and earned middling reviews (42 percent on Rotten Tomatoes).

Given King of the Monsters' less-than-stellar results, Legendary insiders had viewed Godzilla vs. Kong as perhaps the end of the current version of the franchise, even as executives believed they had saved the best for last. But then Godzilla vs. Kong opened.

The movie, which bowed stateside March 31 to $31.6 million, has crossed $400 million globally. It is the top-grossing Hollywood-produced movie released since the pandemic upended the movie business. And it has yet to open in multiple larger markets, among them the U.K., Brazil and Japan. It also marks the second-best performance in the four-movie MonsterVerse franchise, trailing only Kong: Skull Island's 2017 tally of $566 million.

Now, instead of winding down the franchise, Godzilla vs. Kong may ramp it up. The Hollywood Reporter has learned that Legendary is quietly taking steps to stretch the series into one or more installments, entering early talks with Godzilla vs. Kong director Adam Wingard to return for another round of monster-on-monster mayhem. If a deal closes, Wingard would be the first helmer to return to the monster fold since Godzilla kicked off the Legendary partnership with Japan's Toho in 2014 with $524 million in global receipts.

As of now, there's no timetable for the project as Wingard has become popular among studios. Warner Bros., for example, chased and landed the director for a live-action feature based on the Saturday morning cartoon Thundercats. And a Face/Off sequel at Paramount also beckons. And there is no known writer attached to the new MonsterVerse installment, either.

However, Wingard (CAA, Grandview, Morris Yorn) is said to have been very involved in creating Godzilla vs. Kong set-pieces as well as the world-building for the movie's Hollow Earth plotline, and he and Legendary have been cooking up plenty of ideas already. In fact, one possible title being floated internally? Son of Kong.

Son of Kong, huh?

(https://www.godzilla-movies.com/godzilla_uploads/KZmm.gif)

Given that the Monsterverse films that have featured Kong have done very well, I see this as being a pretty safe option to go with considering Godzilla's solo Monsterverse films have been spotty (2014 Godzilla performing well, 2019 KOTM underperforming).

Wingard returning as director is alright I guess, though ... I don't know. From the interviews I've read, he just comes across as much more of a big G fanboy, than he does that of Kong. Maybe that's just how I am interpreting some of the stuff he's said? But, hey, what's Peter Jackson doing these days? Doing a "Son of Kong" reboot wouldn't require the huge undertaking of 'high art' that I am sure Jackson demanded of himself when remaking the King Kong back in 2005. "Son of Kong" could be just Jackson cutting loose, and having a lot fun with concept. Perhaps even more so under the even more fantastical Monsterverse canon.

Besides, having fun with the "Son of Kong" concept definitely appeared to be what Jackson was pushing during that stellar April Fool's prank way back when. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtRq-NNJxlQ

Pre-ordered the Best Buy steelbook of GvK, and now I have a collection of steelbooks all the Legendary Monsterverse films. Godzilla 2014, Kong: Skull Island, Godzilla King of the Monsters, and Godzilla vs. Kong.. So, I thought, what the hell, and went ahead and purchased the FYE steelbook of the original 1962 King Kong vs Godzilla as well. All thanks to that completist mentality, but they do look nice all together on a shelf.

After watching the film for the first time with director Adam Wingard commentary, I have to go back to a previous statement I made:

Quote from: The Joker on Fri, 30 Apr  2021, 18:39
Wingard returning as director is alright I guess, though ... I don't know. From the interviews I've read, he just comes across as much more of a big G fanboy, than he does that of Kong. Maybe that's just how I am interpreting some of the stuff he's said?

Nope. It's not me just simply misinterpreting Wingard at all. Given prior statements, along with his commentary track, it's clear as day the guy is a absolute huge Godzilla fanboy through and through. I don't want to say to an annoying degree per say, but statements like, "Godzilla's never worried about losing to Kong, "Godzilla is really just toying with Kong. He's having fun! Kong's not having fun.", "Here, Godzilla has had enough of Kong and tired of messing around." ect ect really does nothing but downplay the fights, or even threat Kong would pose to Godzilla in this film. Which, naturally, one would think would be rather significant since a King Kong vs Godzilla flick has decidedly been in the cards since 2017 when it was teased at the end of Kong: Skull Island, and was "originally" conceived to be the overall conclusion to Legendary's Monsterverse.

I think the film comes off better than Wingard's thinking, but I go into a bona fide VERSUS film wanting conflict, and a fight that can go either way. Not simply one character taking it as life or death, and the other just having fun, and toying around until agitated enough. Kind of a disservice to the rivalry itself, but again, I think the fights comes across better than that.

I mentioned Peter Jackson previously (which would be great but a long shot), but I think Jordan Vogt-Roberts getting another go at Kong would be cool if there is to be a Monsterverse Son of Kong film, as he did a good job with Skull Island. As it would be interesting to see how he would handle Kong residing within the Hollow Earth. Wingard's sensibilities clearly lie with Godzilla, and would assuredly be capable of handling another Monsterverse Godzilla followup (perhaps with Gigan as the antagonist?).

Silver Nemesis and I are probably the only two on the forum who will get anything out of this, but I'm posting it anyways.

Godzilla vs. Hedorah 2021

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaDfDKIQY5k

Brilliant! I love the practical effects, miniatures and low-angle perspective photography. The opening and closing titles have a nice Showa-era retro feel, even though the production values are clearly more up to date. I hope they'll make more short films like this in the future. 

I went on a kaiju binge back in late September/early October. My seven-year-old nephew gave me the DVD set of the four American MonsterVerse movies for my birthday, and I also watched most of the Gamera films on Amazon Prime. While reading up on Godzilla vs. Kong, I was interested to note the involvement of Yoshimitsu Banno as an executive producer. Banno died back in 2017, but was posthumously credited for both Godzilla: King of the Monsters and Godzilla vs. Kong. Banno had acted as second unit director on the classic Kurosawa films Throne of Blood (1957) and The Hidden Fortress (1958), the latter of which was a major influence on Star Wars, but he also directed the original 1971 Godzilla vs. Hedorah.

I saw a discussion on another site where someone suggested bringing Hedorah back in a future MonsterVerse film as a tribute to Banno. The environmental threat posed by Hedorah would make him a topical villain for the 2020s. He'd also make a suitable opponent for Gamera if the two of them were introduced into the MonsterVerse, since many of the Gamera films have an environmental subtext. Godzilla, Kong and Gamera teaming up to battle an updated nastier version of Hedorah would make for a great cinematic spectacle.

It would also offer the opportunity to poke fun at some of the more, shall we say, zealous environmental activists. You could have a scene where a Greta Thunberg lookalike shows up and screams "How DARE you pollute my planet" before being promptly squashed by an indifferent Hedorah. This could be followed by a scene where Extinction Rebellion activists are gluing themselves to a road to block traffic while REM's 'It's the End of the World' plays on a car radio in the background. When Hedorah approaches, the drivers of the obstructed vehicles simply get out and run to safety while the Extinction Rebellion activists remain helplessly glued in the path of the oncoming destruction. I bet audiences would cheer a scene like that.

At any rate, it's great to see a classic monster like Hedorah back in action after all these years.

Yeah, bringing Hedorah back in a future movie would be pretty amazing to see. I still wish we would have had a Shin Godzilla series of films, cause ... just imagine what a Shin Hedorah would be like! Truly the stuff of complete and total horror.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Fri,  5 Nov  2021, 14:23
I saw a discussion on another site where someone suggested bringing Hedorah back in a future MonsterVerse film as a tribute to Banno. The environmental threat posed by Hedorah would make him a topical villain for the 2020s. He'd also make a suitable opponent for Gamera if the two of them were introduced into the MonsterVerse, since many of the Gamera films have an environmental subtext. Godzilla, Kong and Gamera teaming up to battle an updated nastier version of Hedorah would make for a great cinematic spectacle.

It would also offer the opportunity to poke fun at some of the more, shall we say, zealous environmental activists. You could have a scene where a Greta Thunberg lookalike shows up and screams "How DARE you pollute my planet" before being promptly squashed by an indifferent Hedorah. This could be followed by a scene where Extinction Rebellion activists are gluing themselves to a road to block traffic while REM's 'It's the End of the World' plays on a car radio in the background. When Hedorah approaches, the drivers of the obstructed vehicles simply get out and run to safety while the Extinction Rebellion activists remain helplessly glued in the path of the oncoming destruction. I bet audiences would cheer a scene like that.

ALL of THAT would be absolutely tremendous.  ;D

https://deadline.com/2022/01/apple-tv-godzilla-legendary-monsterverse-1234916545/

QuoteApple TV+ Lands Godzilla & Titans series based on Legendary's Monsterverse.

In a massive deal that expands on Legendary's Monsterverse, Apple TV+ has ordered a new live-action series featuring Godzilla and the Titans.

Following the thunderous battle between Godzilla and the Titans that leveled San Francisco and the shocking new reality that monsters are real, the untitled series explores one family's journey to uncover its buried secrets and a legacy linking them to the secret organization known as Monarch.

The series will be produced by Legendary Television and executive produced by co-creators Chris Black — who will also serve as showrunner — and Matt Fraction, alongside Safehouse Pictures' Joby Harold and Tory Tunnell and Toho Co. Ltd. Hiro Matsuoka and Takemasa Arita will executive produce for Toho. Toho is the owner of the Godzilla character and has licensed the rights to Legendary for this series as a natural byproduct of their long-term relationship on the film franchise.

Talks about expanding the universe via a series began after Godzilla v. Kong became one of the first big box-office hits in the pandemic era. Legendary already is developing the next untitled film set in the Monsterverse but saw potential in developing a series and began talking to buyers that were interested. Apple showed immediate interest as it looks to add more branded IP to a slate of original TV series that continues to grow, and a deal was soon struck to start development on the series.

Beginning in 2014 with Godzilla and continuing with 2017's Kong: Skull Island, 2019's Godzilla: King of the Monsters, and 2021's Godzilla vs. Kong, Monsterverse films have accumulated nearly $2 billion at the global box office and is expanding with a new anime series, Skull Island. The series will premiere globally on Apple TV+. alongside an expanding offering of sweeping, world-building dramas including upcoming Wool, based on Hugh Howey's New York Times best-selling trilogy of the same name; Foundation, based on the novels by Isaac Asimov and created by David S. Goyer; Invasion, a new sci-fi drama series from Simon Kinberg and David Weil; and post-apocalyptic series See, starring Jason Momoa, Dave Bautista and Alfre Woodard.

Interesting choice to basically go back in time, and explore the direct aftermath of Godzilla 2014. Godzilla King of the Monsters touched upon it, briefly, but chose to jump ahead into the-then current time frame for the story (2019).

The thing with a family finding out about a legacy linking them to the Monarch organization might be entertaining to see play out in Legendary's Monsterverse. My first thought, is that perhaps they are related to either Houston Brooks, or William Randa (John Goodman) from Kong Skull Island. If Joe Morton is cast in this, that'll likely seal it right there.

Quote from: The Joker on Fri, 21 Jan  2022, 01:08

https://deadline.com/2022/01/apple-tv-godzilla-legendary-monsterverse-1234916545/

QuoteApple TV+ Lands Godzilla & Titans series based on Legendary's Monsterverse.

In a massive deal that expands on Legendary's Monsterverse, Apple TV+ has ordered a new live-action series featuring Godzilla and the Titans.

Following the thunderous battle between Godzilla and the Titans that leveled San Francisco and the shocking new reality that monsters are real, the untitled series explores one family's journey to uncover its buried secrets and a legacy linking them to the secret organization known as Monarch.

The series will be produced by Legendary Television and executive produced by co-creators Chris Black — who will also serve as showrunner — and Matt Fraction, alongside Safehouse Pictures' Joby Harold and Tory Tunnell and Toho Co. Ltd. Hiro Matsuoka and Takemasa Arita will executive produce for Toho. Toho is the owner of the Godzilla character and has licensed the rights to Legendary for this series as a natural byproduct of their long-term relationship on the film franchise.

Talks about expanding the universe via a series began after Godzilla v. Kong became one of the first big box-office hits in the pandemic era. Legendary already is developing the next untitled film set in the Monsterverse but saw potential in developing a series and began talking to buyers that were interested. Apple showed immediate interest as it looks to add more branded IP to a slate of original TV series that continues to grow, and a deal was soon struck to start development on the series.

Beginning in 2014 with Godzilla and continuing with 2017's Kong: Skull Island, 2019's Godzilla: King of the Monsters, and 2021's Godzilla vs. Kong, Monsterverse films have accumulated nearly $2 billion at the global box office and is expanding with a new anime series, Skull Island. The series will premiere globally on Apple TV+. alongside an expanding offering of sweeping, world-building dramas including upcoming Wool, based on Hugh Howey's New York Times best-selling trilogy of the same name; Foundation, based on the novels by Isaac Asimov and created by David S. Goyer; Invasion, a new sci-fi drama series from Simon Kinberg and David Weil; and post-apocalyptic series See, starring Jason Momoa, Dave Bautista and Alfre Woodard.

Very curious to see the next Monsterverse productions are going to Apple TV+ instead of HBO Max. I assume Legendary must've been so pissed off with the whole same day release plan and how it affected GvK and Dune that it decided to take all the Monsterverse follow-ups to another streaming service? I do remember reading speculation that Legendary considered taking legal action against WB when the HBO Max streaming plan was announced.

It's either that, or WB's finances in such bad shape that it couldn't afford to co-finance this productions. Whatever the reason is, HBO Max has missed out on money-making content. Yet another reason why Discovery must replace all of those execs running all levels at WarnerMedia.

Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Sun, 23 Jan  2022, 03:40
Very curious to see the next Monsterverse productions are going to Apple TV+ instead of HBO Max. I assume Legendary must've been so pissed off with the whole same day release plan and how it affected GvK and Dune that it decided to take all the Monsterverse follow-ups to another streaming service? I do remember reading speculation that Legendary considered taking legal action against WB when the HBO Max streaming plan was announced.

Legendary's a producing company, and not a distributor like Warners, and it was Legendary that has taken on the bulk of the financing when it comes to the Godzilla/Kong Monsterverse films. At one point in time, Netflix made a financial offer towards Legendary for GvK, which apparently Legendary wanted to explore, but WB was able to block that negotiation, and supposedly settled out of court with Legendary to the tune of $250 million due to Legendary being blind sided by the same day release on HBO Max decision by Warners. 

QuoteIt's either that, or WB's finances in such bad shape that it couldn't afford to co-finance this productions. Whatever the reason is, HBO Max has missed out on money-making content. Yet another reason why Discovery must replace all of those execs running all levels at WarnerMedia.

Despite the bad blood, I am not entirely convinced Legendary will sever all ties with Warners as a theatrical distributor (especially with the Merger on the horizon and a "fresh" start with different execs could definitely be had), but they are absolutely free to shop around the Monsterverse property (as long as the deal with Toho remains intact) with other streaming platforms for stuff like a series (Godzilla series on Apple TV+, Kong Skull Island Anime on Netflix).

Quote from: The Joker on Thu, 27 Jan  2022, 04:33
Despite the bad blood, I am not entirely convinced Legendary will sever all ties with Warners as a theatrical distributor (especially with the Merger on the horizon and a "fresh" start with different execs could definitely be had), but they are absolutely free to shop around the Monsterverse property (as long as the deal with Toho remains intact) with other streaming platforms for stuff like a series (Godzilla series on Apple TV+, Kong Skull Island Anime on Netflix).

I didn't even know there was another anime series going onto Netflix. Come to think of it, that reminds me of the Pacific Rim: The Black anime show that's already on the service, and as you know, Pacific Rim is owned by Legendary. Still, the thought of a live action series going to another streaming service is a pretty big deal, compared to anime's niche market in the west.

I agree with you over how Legendary might wait and decide what to do with their relationship with Warner. Let's see Discovery fulfills their goals once the merger is complete and repairs the studio's damaged image.

Pretty sweet cross promotion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_vNYs_Be0k

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https://deadline.com/2022/06/dune-part-two-moves-to-pre-thanksgiving-2023-godzilla-kong-event-sequel-dated-1235054755/

QuoteMeanwhile the next Godzilla-Kong sequel from Legendary has been dated for March 15, 2024. Warners previously had the date on hold, but for an untitled DC movie. Godzilla vs. Kong filmmaker Adam Wingard returns to direct. Parent, Alex Garcia, Eric McLeod, Thomas Tull and Jon Jashni are producing.

Top Gun: Maverick has been entertaining the masses as proven by the box office. But we can't forget about GvK. The screening I saw was packed and going bonkers, with a full house lined up outside ready for their turn. It was a crowd pleasing movie, and what people needed at that particular time. Nothing pretentious. Just big action. If they can deliver more of that, I'll be back.

Tardy to the party. Watched Skull Island a few months ago. But hadn't had a chance to start with Godzilla 2014 and work my way through the franchise properly.

Until a few days ago, that is.

Tonight, I'm watching GKOTM and I'll probably GVK knocked out before the end of the long weekend.

I'm enjoying the Monsterverse. I enjoy the superficial fun and excitement along with the commentary each film (so far) has had. There's a bit of meat on the bone for those interested in finding it.

This is the type of franchise I'm interested in following these days.

When you consider the number of crossovers we've had in recent times, Godzilla and Kong v MechZilla has to be one of the most satisfying. I watched it again, the first time in a long time, and it's so good. MechZilla is a worthy foe. When Godzilla charges Kong's axe I just about had tears in my eyes. There's something cathartic about Kong - to give in to our base animal instinct and just go ape. Taking down something clearly superior through sheer aggression, with each impact of the axe and roar reverberating through your soul.

Get a load of this goodness again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orc_aGBVh74

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Fri,  1 Jul  2022, 15:35I'll probably GVK knocked out before the end of the long weekend.

I'm enjoying the Monsterverse. I enjoy the superficial fun and excitement along with the commentary each film (so far) has had. There's a bit of meat on the bone for those interested in finding it.

This is the type of franchise I'm interested in following these days.

I was as good as my word. Watched GVK before the end of the weekend.

I enjoyed it. There are some plotholes going on. "Oh no, we can't take Kong away from the island! Because the instant we do, the SECOND that Kong gets out in the open, Godzilla will come knocking!" *a few minutes later* The fleet are cruising the seas and Godzilla is nowhere in sight. I mean, yeah, Godzilla showed up not very long later. But still, they gave you the idea that Godzilla's wrath would be pretty much instantaneous. And it wasn't.

Some other minor things too.

But overall, GVK needed to do one thing: Show an awesome Godzilla vs. Kong fight. And honestly, we got two. So, right there, the movie succeeded in what it set out to do.

I've got some nitpicks. But overall, it was fun to watch. And I can see the comparisons to parts of Batman v Superman's story construction.

Apparently, another GVK movie is on the way and I'll be there with bells on.

I don't think this deserves a thread unto itself.

Anyway.

Shin Godzilla! I think I'm in love with this movie! Have to keep pausing it because I keep laughing.

My favorite line is probably "My name's Rando Yaguchi. Thank you all for coming here. This operation will be an informal one. Titles and seniority don't mean anything here and you can speak freely. Well, that's it. I'm nominally in charge, and we're relying on you, a crack team of lone wolves, nerds, troublemakers, academic heretics, freaks, and general pains-in-the-butt-of-the-bureaucracy."

The core issue of the movie is how bureaucracy paralyzes decision-making. In a group-oriented culture like Japan where everyone is always looking to everyone else, that's actually a recipe for disaster.

In the movie, every meaningful action the government could have taken against Godzilla is almost immediately stymied by calls for emergency meetings to discuss the matter, ordering studies to examine the long-term consequences of whatever solutions have been proposed, calling absolutely pointless press conferences, etc.

As more and more government officials die, the surviving government officials' job titles get longer and longer and longer.

Meanwhile, as everyone is having a big circle jerk with their committees and cabinet meetings, Godzilla is wrecking shop on their cities, millions of dollars in property damage is being done, refugees have no idea wtf to do, people are dying, etc.

Anyway. For a monster movie, there's a lot of commentary and black comedy going on here, I just love it.

Shin Godzilla is awesome!

Since this thread may very well be the Kaiju/Kong/Godzilla/Monsterverse thread, I'm going to go ahead and post the recent "Godzilla vs. Gigan Rex" 3-D animated short film that's been posted on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObDeGGRH-PY&t=33s

Written and directed by Takuya Uenishi. The winner of Gemstone's Godzilla contest where the champ gets to work with Toho in a more official capacity. "Godzilla vs. Gigan Rex" also coincides with the 50th anniversary release of the original Showa "Godzilla vs. Gigan" way back in 1972.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBtfR7m-JZc

It's also interesting to note that some of the G-fans are speculating that this year's "Godzilla vs. Gigan Rex" may very well be something of a stealth sequel to 1995's "Godzilla vs. Destoroyah", and taking place within the 1984-1995 Heisei continuity. This Godzilla, actually being the now-adult Godzilla Junior, last seen in 1995. As the opening shot firmly echoes the final shot of Godzilla Junior from "Godzilla vs. Destoroyah". In addition to including a voice over narration by actress Megumi Odaka, whom is also tied to the Heisei era, explaining that Godzilla last appeared 25 years ago. the approximate time between the release of the two films.

Toho has neither confirmed or denied the speculation about this as far as I know, but it's kinda fun to think that this Godzilla featured in this short film is an adult Godzilla Junior. We never got to see the original "Son of Godzilla" Minya/Minilla grow up to take his father's place in the Showa universe, so it's cool seeing his Heisei counterpart getting the opportunity. 

I've re-titled this thread and merged it with seven other pre-existing threads on the subject of Godzilla and Kong so we'll have all the relevant discussions in one place. If anyone wants to create a separate thread for a specific movie, that's fine. Otherwise, this is the best place to discuss giant monster movies, TV shows, games, comics, etc. That can include kaiju films from outside the Kong and Godzilla franchises, such as Gamera, as well as stop-motion monster movies like The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms (1953) or Q: The Winged Serpent (1982).

In kaiju-related news, Netflix released a teaser for a new Gamera project last month.

Quote from: The Joker on Tue,  6 Dec  2022, 05:02
Shin Godzilla is awesome!

Since this thread may very well be the Kaiju/Kong/Godzilla/Monsterverse thread, I'm going to go ahead and post the recent "Godzilla vs. Gigan Rex" 3-D animated short film that's been posted on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObDeGGRH-PY&t=33s

Written and directed by Takuya Uenishi. The winner of Gemstone's Godzilla contest where the champ gets to work with Toho in a more official capacity. "Godzilla vs. Gigan Rex" also coincides with the 50th anniversary release of the original Showa "Godzilla vs. Gigan" way back in 1972.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBtfR7m-JZc

Gigan's always been one of the best and nastiest Godzilla foes. The idea of there being a whole flock of Gigans is pretty horrifying.

Quote from: The Joker on Tue,  6 Dec  2022, 05:02It's also interesting to note that some of the G-fans are speculating that this year's "Godzilla vs. Gigan Rex" may very well be something of a stealth sequel to 1995's "Godzilla vs. Destoroyah", and taking place within the 1984-1995 Heisei continuity. This Godzilla, actually being the now-adult Godzilla Junior, last seen in 1995. As the opening shot firmly echoes the final shot of Godzilla Junior from "Godzilla vs. Destoroyah". In addition to including a voice over narration by actress Megumi Odaka, whom is also tied to the Heisei era, explaining that Godzilla last appeared 25 years ago. the approximate time between the release of the two films.

Toho has neither confirmed or denied the speculation about this as far as I know, but it's kinda fun to think that this Godzilla featured in this short film is an adult Godzilla Junior. We never got to see the original "Son of Godzilla" Minya/Minilla grow up to take his father's place in the Showa universe, so it's cool seeing his Heisei counterpart getting the opportunity.

Son of Godzilla was the second Godzilla movie I saw as a kid (Ebirah, Horror of the Deep was the first), and it remains one of my favourites. I can't imagine that baby Godzilla growing up to be like his dad. He was too cute and friendly with the humans.


But the Godzilla Junior from Godzilla vs. Destoroyah is more like his old man, and the ending of that film does imply that he'll replace his father as the new King of the Monsters. Revisiting that timeline now, over a quarter of a century later, is an interesting prospect.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Tue,  6 Dec  2022, 11:53
Son of Godzilla was the second Godzilla movie I saw as a kid (Ebirah, Horror of the Deep was the first), and it remains one of my favourites. I can't imagine that baby Godzilla growing up to be like his dad. He was too cute and friendly with the humans.

Yeah, I like "Son of Godzilla" as well, and seeing Minya/Minilla courageously fight alongside his dad against the giant spider Spiga/Kumonga, and then go into a peaceful hibernation with Godzilla is one of the better heartfelt moments in the Godzilla filmography.

As far as Minya/Minilla growing up to be like his father, I agree with Silver to an extent. However, I also think he could have very well matured in size to be like his old man, but decidedly more amicable with humans, and definitely more cordial with children. Kinda like Gamera. I mean, since Adam Wingard had the Monsterverse Godzilla emote by actually smiling in GvK, I could easily envision an adult Minya/Minilla Godzilla toying around with rogue kaiju for comedic flair. Like puffing out a smoke ring, causing a potential rival to get choked up/aggravated, and the adult Minya/Minilla Godzilla grinning like, "Well, there's your 1st and only warning pal."

QuoteBut the Godzilla Junior from Godzilla vs. Destoroyah is more like his old man, and the ending of that film does imply that he'll replace his father as the new King of the Monsters. Revisiting that timeline now, over a quarter of a century later, is an interesting prospect.

Who knows if Toho will ever confirm this theory or nor, but the adult Godzilla Junior vs Gigan Rex is basically my head canon now.  ;D

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlceGpbGgvE

QuoteThe worst despair in the series' history strikes Japan!

After the war, Japan has been reduced to zero.
Godzilla appears and plunges the country into a negative state.
The most desperate situation in the history of Japan.
Who?　And how?
Will Japan stand up to it?

Very intriguing teaser and (thus far) description. The original 1954 "Godzilla" certainly acknowledged the feeling of hopelessness and demoralization (treating aftermath of the attacks as something more akin to a reaction towards real life events rather than what audiences were typically used to seeing in giant monster b movies in the 1950's) but this film may very well go into some decidedly dark places if my read on this is correct. The shots of the destruction left behind, and survivors making their way thru it, is reminiscent of those early trailers for Legendary's "Godzilla 2014".

This looks a lot more interesting to me than Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire. Wingard's new movie might be entertaining too, but this one looks like it'll continue the darker and more serious themes of Gojira '54 and Shin Godzilla. I'm down with that.

I also like how it's clearly grounded in Japanese history and culture to distinguish itself from the Monsterverse series. If it's as good as Shin Godzilla, this could be one of the year's best science fiction films.

I agree, Silver. I really should have made a post after you posted the teaser for "Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire". I'm looking forward to it, and though I kinda wish the film would have had a different director, I'm sure Wingard will deliver on the entertainment/visuals just as he did with GvK.

Right now, I am just flat out a bit more intrigued by "Godzilla Minus One". Especially with the 1945 Post-War Japan setting. Just speculating here, but this particular Godzilla, I'm guessing, will emote much more so than what we saw out of Godzilla from "Shin Godzilla". If that's true, it will 1. differentiate Minus One from Shin's more often stoic demeanor, and 2. call back to the original 1954 "Godzilla" where Godzilla is clearly shown going after people!. He stomps towards people, attacks them as they attempt to flee in cars with his atomic ray, even ferociously biting at humans on a tower when he noticed the flashing lights from their cameras. Undoubtedly, the train car clip is evocative of the original where Godzilla is shown tossing a train car with his jaws.

Some new images of the Godzilla from "Minus One" have been released.

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I've seen fans say that this Godzilla kinda looks like a hybrid of Legendary's Godzilla, and the Godzilla from the Heisei era. I can't really disagree with that. The feet remind me of the 1962 Godzilla from the original "King Kong vs Godzilla" a little bit.

I watched Cloverfield (2008) last night, and since this is the kaiju thread I thought I'd post my review here. I'd seen the first half on TV before, but this was my first time watching the entire movie right the way through.


Some talented people were involved in the movie – it was written by Drew Goddard and directed by Matt Reeves – but I have to say I wasn't impressed. I don't think it works as a found-footage movie because it's just too unrealistic. There's too much fantastical imagery on screen, the cast is too pretty to pass for average people, and the way the TJ Miller character keeps running with the camera held up in front of him at eye level is absurd. It also doesn't work well as a kaiju film owing to the uninspired design of the creature and the lack of on-screen monster action.

The human drama aspect fell completely flat for me. We have a protagonist, whose own brother describes him as a "douche", who has a one-night stand with a woman who's underwritten to the point of having no personality, and we're supposed to be emotionally invested in the love story between them? A protagonist who barely registered any emotion after his own brother and "best friend" was killed right in front of him? We're supposed to care about him wanting to reunite with his hook-up? I didn't care. There were so many more interesting stories they could have told. Like what if the protagonist was an irresponsible single mum who'd left her kids with a babysitter so she could go partying, and now, racked with guilt, she's trying to get back to her children to make sure they're ok and take responsibility for their safety. That would've been more intense.


There's also a lack of meaningful interpersonal conflict. Everyone just seems to go along with this one guy's crusade to find his not-quite-ex-girlfriend, with minimal objections raised. Why? And why continue filming the whole thing? There's a point where one of the characters gets infected after being injured and spontaneously explodes. That could've led into an interesting subplot. Supposing the smaller creatures were spreading a contagion that's rapidly sweeping through the survivors, and supposing one of the main characters displays symptoms of infection and the others face an ethical dilemma where they argue over whether or not to leave that person behind. That could've led to some interesting drama. But instead the woman exploding is never referenced again, and the reason for her death remains underdeveloped. That plot point leads nowhere.

Cloverfield could've worked really well as a short film, but the premise is just too thin to sustain a feature-length running time. It runs out of steam after the first thirty minutes. Not counting the credits, it's only about seventy-five minutes long, but that still feels too long for so slight a plot. This surprised me, considering it was penned by Drew Goddard. He's clearly a gifted writer – check out Cabin in the Woods (2011), Daredevil (2015), The Martian (2015) and Bad Times at the El Royale (2018) for proof of that – but his Cloverfield screenplay isn't up to his usual standard. I'd say the same thing about director Matt Reeves, who also went on to better things with his Planet of the Apes movies and The Batman. Cloverfield is unworthy of those films.

I was tempted to cut it some slack because of the scarcity of competing kaiju movies at the time, but on reflection I'm not sure that's a valid excuse. Cloverfield was released just four years after Godzilla: Final Wars (2004) and just three years after Peter Jackson's King Kong (2005), both of which were superior kaiju pictures. And two years later Rogue One director Gareth Edwards released Monsters (2010), which was produced for a paltry $500,000 compared to Cloverfield's budget of $30 million. So it wasn't as if Cloverfield was the only giant monster movie from that era.


Like most films produced by JJ Abrams, the best parts of Cloverfield are copied from elsewhere. For example, the scene with the rats in the tunnel is clearly taken from Danny Boyle's 28 Days Later (2002), while the imagery of the dust cloud blowing down the street is indebted to real 9/11 footage. And the image of the damaged Statue of Liberty head had appeared in several earlier films, including Planet of the Apes (1968) and The Day After Tomorrow (2004). There's nothing wrong with showing off your influences, but the finished product needs to amount to something worthwhile in itself. That's where Cloverfield falls short for me.

It's a cool concept and it has decent special effects, but I don't think it works overall. It received a positive response from critics and audiences, but this is one of those times I strongly disagree with the consensus.

My breaking point with Cloverfield was Hud, the camera man. I can buy into everything else, including the transparent ripoffs influences, flimsy story logic, anemic characters, "WHY ARE YOU STILL FILMING?!" found footage tropes, Abrams mystery box bs and all that.

But Hud is so annoying that the viewer's only real regret is that Clover couldn't have eaten him earlier in the film.

I do have a soft spot for watching Clover's arrival when the characters are riding the Ferris Wheel at the very end tho. That was a nice touch.

I haven't purchased any modern DC/Marvel comics in years (outside of classic material in Marvel Epic Collections and DC Archive Omnibuses), but this may wind up being a fun read.

I don't know who Brian Buccellato is, but at least this crossover doesn't have the Tom King stink on it. Might pick up the trade.

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This is pretty well done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baMFh69gp98

Seeing Superman go up against Godzilla reminds me of The Arctic Giant (1942), which is thought by some to have influenced the original Gojira.


I hope they'll reference Titano the Super-Ape when Kong shows up. Maybe throw in a gag about DC's trend for putting apes on the covers of comics back in the fifties.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 27 Jul  2023, 12:04I hope they'll reference Titano the Super-Ape when Kong shows up. Maybe throw in a gag about DC's trend for putting apes on the covers of comics back in the fifties.

That would be amusing. And/Or even have Batman make a remark about Kong being much larger than Gorilla Boss. Which would fit right in with the gag about DC Comics' 1950's ape covers/stories.

The first images have been released for Monarch: Legacy of Monsters, an Apple TV+ series set in the Monsterverse. It stars Kurt Russell and his son Wyatt Russell and will consist of ten episodes. It's scheduled for release later this year.

Looks interesting.

Seeing Kurt Russell in the Monsterverse is pretty cool.  8)

EDIT:

More info on the Apple TV+ Series.

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Minillas (or Minyas) Revenge.  ;D

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7DqccP1Q_4

Are there any fans of Deep Rising (1998) on the site? It's essentially a cross between It Came from Beneath the Sea and The Poseidon Adventure. Sea monsters have always freaked me out, and the Octalus in Deep Rising perfectly illustrates why.


The reason I'm posting about it in this thread is because it has a connection to King Kong. Supposedly director Stephen Sommers was hoping to direct a King Kong movie in the late nineties. He teased it in the final scene of Deep Rising, where the surviving characters wash ashore on what appears to be Skull Island.


Ultimately Sommers would go on to make the Mummy films with Brendan Fraser, while Peter Jackson helmed the Kong remake. Deep Rising has a similar blend of action and comedy as the Mummy movies, only it's R-rated and a lot gorier. It's no masterpiece and it doesn't have much depth to it (no pun intended). But it's an extremely enjoyable B movie with a strong cast and plenty of action and humour. It's also currently available to watch free on YouTube if anyone's interested. I think it's underrated.

The final scene makes me wonder what Sommers' R-rated Kong movie might have been like. Deep Rising itself could easily be part of the MonsterVerse.

It's been years since I've seen "Deep Rising", and truthfully I don't remember much about it, but have been meaning to check it out again since Treat Williams' death, but I honestly had no memories of the ending, and was not aware of the intended Kong/Skull Island connection.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Fri,  8 Sep  2023, 21:38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec27RCzb6qI

Yeah, this might actually be better as a tie-in to a cinematic universe than anything Disney + has ever had with Marvel.

Godzilla Minus One Poster

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsvFg49h_mI

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Official poster image for "Monarch Legacy of Monsters"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5SDzmjxX9g

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKd0YGjjclk

Quote from: The Joker on Mon, 16 Oct  2023, 05:40https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g-46Pf47us

I hope the full short film will get released online next month. Jet Jaguar is conspicuously absent from the teaser, but I'm assuming that's because they're saving his big reveal for the finished film.

If there's one moment the anniversary film needs to reference from the 1973 original, it's this:

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Fri, 20 Oct  2023, 15:54I hope the full short film will get released online next month. Jet Jaguar is conspicuously absent from the teaser, but I'm assuming that's because they're saving his big reveal for the finished film.

Probably so!

It would be pretty amusing to see this new Megalon being forced to make a hasty retreat if he winds up getting doubled teamed by Godzilla and Jet Jaguar, but visibly pitching an absolute fit before doing so. Just as the Showa Megalon was shown to go into a absolute tantrum when things wasn't going it's way, to say the least.

QuoteIf there's one moment the anniversary film needs to reference from the 1973 original, it's this:

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I vividly remember as a kid, reenacting that particular move with my Imperial Godzilla toy against a variety of monster action figures.  :D

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Quote from: The Joker on Sat, 21 Oct  2023, 09:03I vividly remember as a kid, reenacting that particular move with my Imperial Godzilla toy against a variety of monster action figures.  :D

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I had that exact same figure! I haven't seen it for years, but I'm sure it's the same one. I got it from Toys R Us in the nineties. I didn't have any other Godzilla toys back then (I did have some figures based on the 1998 US Godzilla movie, but they don't count), so I just used to have him fight generic dinosaur figures. My brother had a toy tarantula which looked like Spiga/Kumonga from Son of Godzilla, so that made for a good opponent. And yes, I did the flying kick move as well. ;D I used to build a little city out of dominoes or Jenga blocks so the figures could knock the buildings over as they brawled. Good times.

My nephews (who are half Japanese) love Godzilla and they've got quite a few action figures based on the Showa-era movies, included Godzilla himself, Gigan, and Ghidorah. There's also a cartoon show they love called Shinkalion which is based on a series of Japanese toy robots that turn into bullet trains. Godzilla actually shows up in one of the Shinkalion movies.


Speaking of Japanese movies, the first reactions have been coming in for Godzilla Minus One and they're highly positive: https://comicbook.com/anime/news/godzilla-minus-one-reviews/

It's exciting to think there are two major Godzilla movies on the horizon: Godzilla Minus One and then Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire. I'm a lot more interested in seeing Minus One, but both movies should be entertaining.

Assorted images from the upcoming "Godzilla Fest 4 Operation Jet Jaguar" short film.

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Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sat, 21 Oct  2023, 15:00I had that exact same figure! I haven't seen it for years, but I'm sure it's the same one. I got it from Toys R Us in the nineties. I didn't have any other Godzilla toys back then (I did have some figures based on the 1998 US Godzilla movie, but they don't count), so I just used to have him fight generic dinosaur figures. My brother had a toy tarantula which looked like Spiga/Kumonga from Son of Godzilla, so that made for a good opponent. And yes, I did the flying kick move as well. ;D I used to build a little city out of dominoes or Jenga blocks so the figures could knock the buildings over as they brawled. Good times.

Ha! I also had a big plastic spider and pretended it was Spiga/Kumonga as well. I also had a green two-headed dragon, and just had to use my imagination in pretending it was Ghidrah/Ghidorah.  ;D

QuoteMy nephews (who are half Japanese) love Godzilla and they've got quite a few action figures based on the Showa-era movies, included Godzilla himself, Gigan, and Ghidorah. There's also a cartoon show they love called Shinkalion which is based on a series of Japanese toy robots that turn into bullet trains. Godzilla actually shows up in one of the Shinkalion movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S51n7yMAsmo

Very cool!

QuoteSpeaking of Japanese movies, the first reactions have been coming in for Godzilla Minus One and they're highly positive: https://comicbook.com/anime/news/godzilla-minus-one-reviews/

It's exciting to think there are two major Godzilla movies on the horizon: Godzilla Minus One and then Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire. I'm a lot more interested in seeing Minus One, but both movies should be entertaining.

Yeah, all the Toho projects, along with the Monsterverse films and tv series that are adjacent to one another, there's a plethora of Godzilla material out there now. Not that I'm complaining.  ;)

Godzilla vs. Megalon 2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5I00p3KqvE

Quote from: The Joker on Fri,  3 Nov  2023, 23:57Godzilla vs. Megalon 2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5I00p3KqvE

I showed this to my eldest nephew and he loved it. I'm a little disappointed that Jet Jaguar and Gigan don't appear, but other than that it's a nice tribute to the 1973 movie.

And they got the most important part right.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Fri, 20 Oct  2023, 15:54If there's one moment the anniversary film needs to reference from the 1973 original, it's this:

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 ;D

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sat,  4 Nov  2023, 14:14I showed this to my eldest nephew and he loved it. I'm a little disappointed that Jet Jaguar and Gigan don't appear, but other than that it's a nice tribute to the 1973 movie.

Speaking of Jet Jaguar...

A nice followup to 2023's Megalon!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D__GbFY08Og

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QuoteAnd they got the most important part right.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Fri, 20 Oct  2023, 15:54If there's one moment the anniversary film needs to reference from the 1973 original, it's this:

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 ;D

Classic.

Just absolutely classic!

Quote from: The Joker on Sun,  5 Nov  2023, 02:48

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sat,  4 Nov  2023, 14:14I showed this to my eldest nephew and he loved it. I'm a little disappointed that Jet Jaguar and Gigan don't appear, but other than that it's a nice tribute to the 1973 movie.

Speaking of Jet Jaguar...

A nice followup to 2023's Megalon!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D__GbFY08Og

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I'm not familiar with this G-Fest series, but I loved this one. The fight choreography is good, the practical special effects impressive, and the surprise appearance by Ghidorah a welcome catalyst for Godzilla and Jaguar to team up. I kept hoping they'd play the Jet Jaguar theme song, and they didn't disappoint. Another treat for Showa-era fans.

Checked out "Godzilla Minus One" earlier today, and WOW! What a banger of a movie!!!

In some ways, you can view "Godzilla Minus One" as a nice companion piece to "Shin Godzilla". Where one was more of a Government focused story, this one is decidedly a more personal story involving human characters that are accessible and easy to get invested in. For my money, these characters are 1A and 1B with that of the original 1954 film. Which is to say the very best that the franchise has ever had to offer. There were some pre-release rumors that the film was going to get political. Possibly some sort of commentary on the United States, but actually the politics has more to say on former WW2 Japanese soldiers not being absolutely gung ho on the Japanese military's strategy (the idea of being a kamikaze pilot in particular), in addition to things related to loss, guilt, regret, and all the different attitudes/viewpoints on the war. Actually, this film pretty much goes out of it's way to say that no Government is going to help you, and that it's up to you to save your country. Bringing this home with scenes of communities seen coming together, and helping one another after surviving absolute catastrophic events.

Not to say too much, but you don't have to wait for Godzilla to show up for every long, and when he does appear, watch out. Godzilla, as depicted in "Godzilla Minus One", is absolutely terrifying, and hands down one of the top versions of Godzilla that is shown as being incredibly aggressive towards humans. Whenever Godzilla uses his atomic ray, it's literally a happening, than what one would normally think of. Less of a ray to be honest, and more of a projectile atomic bomb. Which I thought was pretty damn outstanding in this. It's about as polar opposite to the Monsterverse Godzilla as it gets. A absolute amazing return to original form.

Can't wait to get the blu ray, or 4K of this!

Absolutely would recommend.

I'd love to see Minus One on the big screen. I'm keeping an eye out for showings at my local cinemas. I attended a theatrical screening of Blade Runner: The Final Cut last week (superb!), but Minus One screenings are scarce. Must be a limited release.

The response to the film has been universally positive from both critics and fans. I don't care what the majority of reviewers think, but the handful of critics whose opinions I do value all seem to love it. It sounds extremely promising. Considering what a generally poor year it's been for movies (as were the last few years), it'd be nice to end 2023 on a positive cinematic note.

Hopefully you will successfully find a local theater showing the film, Silver. Actually, I was pretty surprised the local theater to me was participating in showing "Godzilla Minus One" this week, as I distinctly remember inquiring about the previous live action Toho Godzilla movie back in 2016, "Shin Godzilla", and finding out the nearest theater was about a 4 hour drive away. lol That wasn't going to happen, so blu ray it was. When I checked out "Napoleon" last week at my local theater, they still didn't know if they were going to have "Godzilla Minus One" or not. Luckily, they got it. Here in the states, it's showing until Dec 7th. Not sure if that's the same for the UK or not....

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Lots of Monsterverse stuff has been coming out as of late.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV1OOlGwExM

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The King and the Big G. Then and Now.  ;D

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The new Monsterverse villain is apparently named, The Skar King.

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And someone decided to have fun with the Skar King image, by using Mechani-Kong instead.  :D

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Kinda amusing getting one very serious Godzilla film, and a Monsterverse popcorn movie being so closely released next to one another, but hey, I ain't complaining. Kaiju fans have been eating good.

Quote from: The Joker on Mon,  4 Dec  2023, 00:22Hopefully you will successfully find a local theater showing the film, Silver. Actually, I was pretty surprised the local theater to me was participating in showing "Godzilla Minus One" this week, as I distinctly remember inquiring about the previous live action Toho Godzilla movie back in 2016, "Shin Godzilla", and finding out the nearest theater was about a 4 hour drive away. lol That wasn't going to happen, so blu ray it was. When I checked out "Napoleon" last week at my local theater, they still didn't know if they were going to have "Godzilla Minus One" or not. Luckily, they got it. Here in the states, it's showing until Dec 7th. Not sure if that's the same for the UK or not....

There are some UK screenings taking place next week. I'm not sure if I'll be able to get to any of them, but I'll try.

Quote from: The Joker on Mon,  4 Dec  2023, 00:22https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV1OOlGwExM

Looks like the studio's taken to heart the criticism about Godzilla's thick legs. I'll need to see more of his new design in action before passing judgement. Based on the trailer The New Empire looks more like a Kong movie than a Godzilla film, but considering we've just got a brand new Godzilla solo movie I'm ok with that.

Here's an analysis of the trailer.

Quote from: The Joker on Mon,  4 Dec  2023, 00:22And someone decided to have fun with the Skar King image, by using Mechani-Kong instead.  :D

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It would be so cool if Mechani-Kong showed up at the end of the movie to help battle the Skar King. Or if the Skar King was defeated and then resurrected as a cyborg Mechani-Kong in the next movie.

According to Chinese astrology 2024 is the year of the dragon, but for sci-fi movie fans it's going to be the year of the ape. DC should cash in and do a series of ape-themed comics like they did in the 1950s. Bring back Gorilla Grodd, Titano and Detective Chimp.

GvK was one of the best cinema going experiences I've had in recent times, and I've been quietly waiting for more ever since. The unpretentious entertainment route will always resonate with audiences no matter the era, but I think especially now. Put your politics in the bin and give me a giant ape lashing out with all he has, clutching a ridiculously oversized axe and going to town on anything he deems fit for smashing. I like Skar King as the villain as it will make this belting personal, and he provides a contrast to MechZilla from the previous film. Really looking forward to watching this with a skyscraper high tub of popcorn.

On Monday Godzilla Minus One became the first foreign language live action film to top the US box office in its opening week since Hero in 2004. It's now the highest grossing live action Japanese film ever at the US box office. It's doing so well that Toho has decided to extend its American theatrical run.

I've got a ticket booked to see it on Friday (the 15th) next week, which is its opening day in the UK. This will be my first time seeing a Japanese-made Godzilla movie on the big screen. I can't wait. ;D

I just found out that BOOM! Studios published a six-issue comic series titled Kong on the Planet of the Apes a few years ago. I'd never heard of this until now.


Has anyone read it? I might track down a copy before the new GxK and POTA movies come out next year.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Tue,  5 Dec  2023, 14:35Looks like the studio's taken to heart the criticism about Godzilla's thick legs.

I remember this being brought up A LOT back in 2014 when Legendary and Warners released the first offering in the-now "Monsterverse" movies, and I never really understood it. Godzilla, much more often than not, has been depicted as far from slim-and-trim as a kaiju can get, and typically has always had those big 'ol thunder thighs. It's much more atypical, when he doesn't. Not sure if this complaint largely stems from comparing the 2014 Godzilla to the 1998 Tri Star Godzilla, but that's one of the few ways I can make sense out of it.

QuoteI'll need to see more of his new design in action before passing judgement. Based on the trailer The New Empire looks more like a Kong movie than a Godzilla film, but considering we've just got a brand new Godzilla solo movie I'm ok with that.

Judging from the Stateside box office of "Kong Skull Island", and 2019's "Godzilla King of the Monsters", it's fair to say that Kong is more of a draw over here in the U.S. I can see why it would make sense to continue Kong as the main Monsterverse protagonist rather than Godzilla. Godzilla has a much more attested franchise, but Kong is still King over here.

QuoteIt would be so cool if Mechani-Kong showed up at the end of the movie to help battle the Skar King. Or if the Skar King was defeated and then resurrected as a cyborg Mechani-Kong in the next movie.

I wouldn't be opposed to the idea to be perfectly honest. What seemed so far off and away when you go back to watch the 2014, seems only just a touch away now with the Monsterverse fully embracing the fantastical.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu,  7 Dec  2023, 11:11Put your politics in the bin and give me a giant ape lashing out with all he has, clutching a ridiculously oversized axe and going to town on anything he deems fit for smashing.

Right. Legendary would really have to go out of it's way to muck up this franchise as Hollywood has with so many others.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Thu,  7 Dec  2023, 16:59I've got a ticket booked to see it on Friday (the 15th) next week, which is its opening day in the UK. This will be my first time seeing a Japanese-made Godzilla movie on the big screen. I can't wait. ;D

Awesome! Glad you're getting the chance to check it out on the big screen.  8)

QuoteI just found out that BOOM! Studios published a six-issue comic series titled Kong on the Planet of the Apes a few years ago. I'd never heard of this until now.

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Has anyone read it? I might track down a copy before the new GxK and POTA movies come out next year.

Unfortunately, I'm really behind pretty much anything relating to comics in general here in recent years, but this sounds like a pretty cool crossover.

I saw Minus One today. I agree with the consensus that it's excellent. I'd rank it as the best Godzilla movie since the 1954 original, and perhaps the best overall. But I should really let it sink in a bit before saying that.

I liked everything about it. The story is great and Ryunosuke Kamiki as Shikishima is probably the most interesting protagonist I've seen in a kaiju movie. Normally the human drama element is the weakest part of these films, but in Minus One the protagonist's storyline had me gripped from the first scene where he lands on the island. That whole sequence, with the mechanics fighting the smaller pre-mutated Godzilla, reminded me of the WWII scenes in Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah (1991).


The only thing missing was a cameo by Spielberg's dad.


Shikishima's storyline touches on themes of survivor's guilt and redemption framed against the backdrop of a post-war Japan undergoing a process of cultural rehabilitation. The notion of virtuous suicide, and specifically kamikaze tactics, was ingrained in Japanese military culture for centuries prior to the US occupation. Many Japanese people in the 1940s hated war and opposed their country's actions in Indo-China, but there was also a powerful militarist presence in their society that favoured overseas adventurism (Kazuo Ishiguro's 1986 novel An Artist of the Floating World explores this conflict very effectively and, coincidentally, features a scene in which the protagonist takes his grandson to see the original Gojira), and it was their influence that dragged their people into WWII and kept alive the idea that committing suicide for the emperor was an honourable thing.

Minus One is not, as some early reports falsely claimed, anti-American. It is however critical of the Japanese militarist government that ordered its own pilots to kill themselves in battle. Shikishima embodies the human conscience and instinct for self-preservation struggling against a sense of honour and duty to one's country. At the end of the film, he and his fellow veterans have to go to war again. Only this time it is not a militarist government dragging its people towards their doom, but rather a people yearning for peace struggling to survive against a doom that's unavoidable. They're fighting not for conquest, but for life. I cared about the characters, all of whom are adequately developed, and I felt anxious whenever Godzilla was on the rampage. All kaiju movies offer the spectacle of mass destruction, but not all can make you feel as emotionally-invested in what's at stake as Minus One does.

There are obvious shades of Jaws, Grave of the Fireflies and Gojira '54 on display in Minus One. I like Naoki Satō's score, which is very moving and does a good job of incorporating the classic Godzilla theme. I still prefer the practical effects approach for Godzilla himself, but I went into this knowing he'd be fully CG. Some of the low-angle shots looking up at him reminded me of his cameo in Always: Sunset on Third Street 2 (2007). I never saw that film, but I did see Godzilla's scene on YouTube many years ago.


I just found out Always: Sunset on Third Street 2 was directed by Takashi Yamazaki, who also directed Minus One. It's astonishing to me that the budget for Minus One is reportedly less than 15 million US dollars. The cinematography, costumes and sets are all high quality and evoke the historical setting in a way that's gritty but also pleasing to look at. Fans of aviation-themed dieselpunk movies like The Rocketeer and Porco Rosso will find much to enjoy here. It's also an oceanic sci-fi/horror movie, which is always a big draw for me.

The fact such an attractive-looking film can be made for so little reinforces how wasteful and over-budgeted most modern Hollywood movies are. The Flash cost over $200 million and the special effects looked terrible. Along comes Minus One with a budget of under $15 million, and it looks great. Sure, some of the CGI looks unconvincing, but when is that ever not the case? Considering the budget, I think the effects are very good.

Toho obviously wasn't going to be able to compete with the budgets of Legendary Pictures' MonsterVerse movies, so they did the smart thing and went in a completely different direction with Shin Godzilla and Minus One. Where Legendary is offering more lightweight comicbookish entertainment, where you can switch your brain off and enjoy the spectacle, Toho is making more serious, culturally-layered and dramatic science fiction films with emotional depth and thought-provoking themes. There's room for both types of Godzilla movies, and I enjoy both, but I admit I do prefer the Toho series. I find them more sophisticated and consider them the real Godzilla movies. Gojira '54, Shin Godzilla and Minus One form a great trilogy that exemplifies the best of the genre.

Minus One also has an ideal running time of roughly two hours. It's about the same length as Burton's Batman movies, which I think is the perfect duration for this sort of film. It never overstays its welcome and it never gets boring. I really don't have too many criticisms, except that I thought Noriko's survival was a bit farfetched. The only other issue I had with the movie concerned the subtitles. I'm not fluent in Japanese, but I know enough of the language to recognise that the subtitles were sometimes saying something completely different from what the actors were saying. I understand it's necessary to rewrite the lines so they don't sound stilted, but I found it distracting in places.

Other than those minor points, I think it's a terrific film. Definitely one of my favourites of 2023. It might even take the top spot. Time will tell. I've heard that more of the limited international theatrical runs are being extended owing to the movie's popularity. In a sane world, a film this good would be the big Christmas blockbuster. Hopefully others will catch it on the big screen while they can. Even if you're not normally a Godzilla fan, you should go see this one. It's worth it.

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Kenpachiro Satsuma has sadly passed away.

Best known for his portrayal of Godzilla during the Heisei era of films, from 1984 to 1995. Satsuma also provided suitmation for Hedorah "The Smog Monster", and Gigan during the Showa era of films as well prior to graduating to the big G.

R.I.P.

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I keep thinking about Minus One. It's one of those rare films that I feel was aimed specifically at me, as if the filmmakers' creative instincts were perfectly aligned with what I as a viewer wanted. That hardly ever happens these days, but Minus One is exactly my kind of movie. I don't see how anyone could make a better kaiju film.

I wonder what its chances are with regards to award season. Shin Godzilla swept the Japanese Oscars at the Japan Academy Film Prize, and I'm sure Minus One will too. But what about the American Oscars? It should definitely get a nomination for Best Foreign Language Film, but it wouldn't meet the Oscars' idiotic DEI criteria to qualify for Best Picture. It isn't diverse, it isn't woke, and there's no feminism or LGBTIQCAPGNGFNBA+ content. It's also a profoundly masculine film, with some critics interpreting it as having a right-leaning political subtext, and I don't think that would sit well with modern Hollywood. They might also resent its success when so many of their own ill-fated blockbusters have bombed this year.

If nothing else, I'd like to see Naoki Satō's score receive some recognition. It has a distinctly Japanese Studio Ghibli vibe that's hauntingly beautiful. It reminds me of Joe Hisaishi's best work. Very moving.


I really want to see this film again. I'm glad I got to experience it on the big screen, and now I can't wait for the Blu-ray release.

Godzilla Minus One has now grossed over $76 million on a production budget of less than $15 million. It's presently ranked #179 on the IMDb Top 250 and has been shortlisted for a Best Visual Effects Oscar. It has not, however, been submitted for Best International Feature Film. Instead Japan's submission in that category is a film called Perfect Days.

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Godzilla Minus One

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And in light of "Steamboat Willie" entering the public domain, why not?  :D

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Godzilla Minus One, my favourite movie of 2023, is now officially an Oscar-nominated film. It's the first Godzilla movie to receive an American Academy Award nomination (Best Achievement in Visual Effects). It's also received 12 nominations at the 47th Japan Academy Film Prize, which is the Japanese film industry's equivalent of the US Oscars.

Its box office run has reached $100 million worldwide on an estimated budget of $10-15 million: https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2024/01/25/godzilla-minus-one-hits-100-million-watch-exclusive-black-and-white-clip/


On a less positive note, I watched King Kong Lives (1986) a few weeks ago. Otherwise known as King Kong 2, it's an inferior sequel to the 1976 film produced by Dino De Laurentiis and is probably the worst Kong movie I've seen.


The final forty minutes or so are moderately entertaining, when Kong's on the rampage squashing and eating people, but everything leading up to that is dull. And one thing a movie about a giant rampaging monkey should never be is dull. They didn't even use John Barry's theme music from the previous film, which was a big letdown.

I also think it should have been titled 'Bride of Kong' instead of 'King Kong Lives'.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Fri, 26 Jan  2024, 16:45Godzilla Minus One, my favourite movie of 2023, is now officially an Oscar-nominated film. It's the first Godzilla movie to receive an American Academy Award nomination (Best Achievement in Visual Effects). It's also received 12 nominations at the 47th Japan Academy Film Prize, which is the Japanese film industry's equivalent of the US Oscars.

Its box office run has reached $100 million worldwide on an estimated budget of $10-15 million

I saw that. It's safe to say that "Godzilla Minus One" is undoubtedly the most recognized and acclaimed Godzilla movie thus far. Which, is deservedly so. The original 1954 "Gojira" is a fine piece of cinema as well, but much of it's praise, outside Japan, was much, much belated. As the '56 Americanization cut was much more widely known and seen for decades.

QuoteOn a less positive note, I watched King Kong Lives (1986) a few weeks ago. Otherwise known as King Kong 2, it's an inferior sequel to the 1976 film produced by Dino De Laurentiis and is probably the worst Kong movie I've seen.

The final forty minutes or so are moderately entertaining, when Kong's on the rampage squashing and eating people, but everything leading up to that is dull. And one thing a movie about a giant rampaging monkey should never be is dull. They didn't even use John Barry's theme music from the previous film, which was a big letdown.

I also think it should have been titled 'Bride of Kong' instead of 'King Kong Lives'.

Admittedly, KKL is not a great movie in the slightest. If you ever pick up the recent blu ray, have a listen to the Audio Commentary track by Ray Morton. Who was the author of "King Kong: The History of a Movie Icon". It makes the movie a little more watchable. As Morton provides numerous anecdotes and tidbits about the making of the movie, and what was going on behind the scenes (which wasn't all that much dissimilar to how productions were being handled during Cannon Films' final days). 

Quote from: The Joker on Sat, 27 Jan  2024, 03:55As Morton provides numerous anecdotes and tidbits about the making of the movie, and what was going on behind the scenes (which wasn't all that much dissimilar to how productions were being handled during Cannon Films' final days). 

I got a strong Cannon vibe when I was watching it.

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I don't know if this is true, but I've heard that the only reason Minus One wasn't nominated for 'Best Foreign Language Film' is because it was released after Japan had already submitted their entry in that category. Had it come out slightly earlier, it would certainly have been nominated in that category. And I think it would've stood a very good chance of winning.

I wonder if the Academy will give it the 'Best Visual Effects' Oscar as a way of making up for that.

Interesting video on the cancelled 1990's King Kong film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcPdAtYc8aY

Congrats to Godzilla Minus One! You weren't just nominated, you won. On the Big G's 70th Anniversary no less.

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Well deserved. The fact they accomplished such impressive effects on such a miniscule budget should be a wakeup call for western studios. Had it not been for the release date, I expect Minus One would've taken home the best foreign language film award as well. But never mind. The fact remains it's now an Oscar-winning film.

Newly released poster celebrating Godzilla Minus One's numerous awards.

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Checked out "GxK New Empire" the other day, and it's overall a fun film that fully embraces some of the outright and comedic absurdity from the Godzilla Showa era. The human element is even more scaled back from GvK, and much of the focus is decidedly on Kong and Godzilla. Once again, it's much more of a Kong focused movie, with Godzilla bits here and there until the final battle. As far as the villain goes, the Skar King is alright and pretty much to the point. There's no sympathetic or understanding quality about him, as he is simply evil and it's very much black and white. Shimo, I was a little bit disappointed with as it's revealed this monster is kinda like Titanosaurus from "Terror of Mechagodzilla" and being manipulated by Skar King. Sure, it's a twist, but for me takes away a little bit from the final battle as Shimo isn't quite as a dominating force as I would have preferred him to be. I've read someone say that Skar King is essentially the Million Dollar Man Ted Debiase to Shimo's Andre the Giant, and that's apt I think (making Kong and Godzilla the Mega Powers basically).

For me, the rematch fight between Kong and Godzilla was very much the highlight of the entire film. With Godzilla performing a Goldberg-like spear to Kong right into a pyramid, Kong doing his best Bully Maguire and putting some dirt in Godzilla's eye, some ground and pound by Kong, and seeing Godzilla literally suplex Kong was absolutely hysterical. The addition of Mothra returning was pretty cool as well.

I wouldn't say I liked GxK, as much as I did GvK, but the Monsterverse continues to very much lean into being a modern day Showa universe that's primarily focused on spectacle. Where does it go from here? Welp, there's a Xilien UFO easter egg, so a alien invasion wouldn't be all that surprising at this stage since the hollow earth got focused upon much more so in this film.

7 or 8 out of 10.

Also, I love this gif.  :D

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Couple of GxK "retro" style posters.

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