https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WWzgGyAH6Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WWzgGyAH6Y)
I hate using this word, but it does look "epic".
Haven't seen the vid yet but I'm excited about it.
What I like from the 'Batman v Superman' trailer is that Snyder and co seem to be addressing one of the biggest complaints levelled against 'Man of Steel', the part Superman played in the destruction of Metropolis, by portraying Superman as public enemy number one, and Bruce Wayne/Batman as having a personal vendetta against Superman in terms of the obliteration of the 'Wayne Financial' building and the consequent casualties (Wayne having apparently been present on the day of the Superman versus General Zod fight, rescuing a little girl in the process).
In this one aspect at least perhaps DC might finally have a slight edge over the Marvel Studios films, which have otherwise been stellar; which is to say that one of my few issues with the MCU movies is the way everything seems to be resolved and return back to square one by the end of each movie (Tony Stark should be even more hated than Superman following the AOU events and yet he seems quite relaxed by the final scenes). At least 'Batman v Superman' seems to be heavily acknowledging the events of 'Man of Steel' and how it plays in the dynamic between Batman and Superman.
I think it looks amazing. From the Robin suit that The Joker wrote on, to all of the Batman and Superman fights, along with Lex's dialogue. I really like everything I saw. So much to take in, and it's all great.
This. Looks. Freaking. AMAZING!
OH MY FREAKING GOD! AMAZINGGGG!
I know we've just seen a few pics and a trailer but I am like sold on Ben as Batman right now. And I think I've made it clear I am QUITE fond of Jeremy Irons ;) it's great to actually see him instead of just hearing him! Gal looks AMAZING as Wonder Woman! And I loved Henry and Amy and the rest of the peeps in MoS so that part's great too. About the only thing I'm not sure about is our "Edward Nygma in Batman Forever" Lex Luthor.
Plus it looks like the Bat Buggy gets destroyed. Bleh. It was growing on me, damnit. lol.
Officially freaking excited for this movie!
And remember what I said about the part where Bruce is staring at the suit in the Cave and how I said that sold me on Ben. There's another part in the trailer, when he reads the defaced newspaper clipping. The rage in his eyes. Oh my. It's amazing. Just from what little bit we have seen I am like totally on with this. He would have to completely just be horrible the rest of the movie to ruin this.
I repeat: it's amazing.
Damnit, is it 2016 yet? No? Ugh.
This looks amazing, and I'm thinking as re-watchable as B89 and BR.
It's refreshing to watch a Batman movie trailer where the only issue that sticks in my mind is "I wish Alfred looked like Alfred..."
Seeing Bruce Wayne running right towards a disaster while everyone else is running away...breathtaking.
Even more breathtaking was seeing how fluid this Batman can move. That Dark Knight Returns shot right before he moves off on the grapple, as well as the glimpses of him fighting? Felt like a comic book brought to life.
Affleck's bringing the right intensity to this role and Snyder's making sure this feels like the comic Batman in flesh and blood. Definitely more excited for this film now. Crossing my fingers that the script is better than what we've seen from DC's output in the past few years and that Affleck and Snyder knock this version of Batman out of the park.
Quote from: BatmAngelus on Sun, 12 Jul 2015, 16:34
It's refreshing to watch a Batman movie trailer where the only issue that sticks in my mind is "I wish Alfred looked like Alfred..."
Don't be dissin' my Jeremy, yo. lol. How would you improve him?
QuoteSeeing Bruce Wayne running right towards a disaster while everyone else is running away...breathtaking.
I don't know if it was intentional or not obviously but it really reminded me of the scenes of people running from the collapse of the Twin Towers on 9/11 and the firefighters and policemen were running towards it. Breathtaking indeed, not to mention heartbreaking.
QuoteEven more breathtaking was seeing how fluid this Batman can move. That Dark Knight Returns shot right before he moves off on the grapple, as well as the glimpses of him fighting? Felt like a comic book brought to life.
Affleck's bringing the right intensity to this role and Snyder's making sure this feels like the comic Batman in flesh and blood. Definitely more excited for this film now. Crossing my fingers that the script is better than what we've seen from DC's output in the past few years and that Affleck and Snyder knock this version of Batman out of the park.
I'm a newbie to the comic dealio but it definitely looks like a badass gritty comic brought to life. I totally can't wait! But I've got to. Damnit. :(
*plays with hair* is it 2016 yet? :(
Quote from: BatmAngelus on Sun, 12 Jul 2015, 16:34
It's refreshing to watch a Batman movie trailer where the only issue that sticks in my mind is "I wish Alfred looked like Alfred..."
I didn't care for what I saw of Lex Luthor either, looks wise or in terms of what we saw of Eisenberg's kooky, creepy performance (where's the whole 'Brad Pitt mixed with Richard Branson' vibe Snyder promised us?)
What is Snyder's problem with bald characters? Honestly, when I heard Jeremy Irons was cast I thought that we would
finally get an Alfred that looked like the classic comic-book version with the bald head and thin moustache, a look I'm certain Irons could have easily pulled off.
But apart from those two issues, you're right BatAngelus, this is a very promising trailer that gives me a lot of hope for 'Batman v Superman'. :)
That was one of the most impressive trailers I've seen recently, I might be biased because it's Batman, but I feel more excited for the movie than ever before. Yeah, their Lex looks more like Edward Nygma, but I look forward to everything else about it.
I probably would be more bothered by Lex if it weren't for two factors: a) his look reminds me a bit of the young Lex in Birthright, especially in the shot where he's standing over Superman and b) the official picture from awhile back showed that Eisenberg would be bald as Lex at some point (presumably later in the film). Sure, I'd prefer him to feel closer to the DCAU Lex brought to life, but I'll have to see more before judging whether or not Snyder made the right call here.
Overall I'm liking what I'm seeing;
-Batman's clearly going to be serious but it looks like instead of playing the ultra dreary Christian Bale version, Affleck will be more of the no-nonsense Keaton mold. This character looks like he's been through enough crap for one life time and he's not letting any more collateral damage happen. He's stubborn and will take things into his own hands.
-Superman clearly being set up as the villain.
-Wonder woman looks good
Not sold on Eisenberg as Luthor. I get that he can have different looks (though i prefer the balding one) but one trait should be the evil leadership abilities. This Eisenberg doesn't look like he could be the head of state or anything. He's a funny actor but Lex should have many hats, be evil in a way that he can inspire people and deceive them into thinking he's doing good.
Here are things that I've liked, with a few observations.
Affleck's Batman seems to be proactive than what we've seen previously. Some people might complain that he is blinded by the anti-Superman rhetoric, but I argue that illustrates his cynical nature perfectly. Every time I see Superman and Batman interact with each other in comics or TV shows, the former tends to be trusting of people and believes in their ability to show compassion, whereas the latter needs to be on top of his game all the time, and as such, he has to think the worst thing that could possibly happen.
As previously mentioned, I liked what I've seen from Affleck's body language so far, the rage in his eyes after he rescued that little girl and the letter he receives shows the kind of intensity I hadn't seen since Michael Keaton. I just hope he doesn't screw up with the voice.
As I said when the teaser was released a few months ago, I like how the film looks to fulfill its promise surrounding the repercussions over the events in MOS. Consequence seems like a very important theme here, and I like how Superman seemingly benefits from his own character arc and how he will make the choice of continuing on as the world's greatest hero despite initial resentment from the wider global community. I've been critical of DC-based films in the past for being too serious for their own good, and one of my reasons is because they don't really explore any of the themes they're celebrated for having. But now with TV's Daredevil, Winter Soldier, even MOS to a certain extent, proving you can do "dark and gritty" AND provide real character development and have themes both reflect in dialogue and in the action, I think this movie can deliver that.
I like the line "Twenty years in Gotham...how many good guys are left?". Never mind that this Batman had years of experience under his belt, but he faced lots of tragedies along the way, which to me, makes his character feel rich already, and explains why he doesn't trust Superman. I'm intrigued why Wayne Manor is in such a state of disrepair. Alfred looks like the voice of reason trying to snap Bruce out of his stubbornness, I wonder if the tension between the two is continuing from a possible falling-out with each other?
Some people are complaining about Ma Kent's line "You don't owe this world a thing", because they think she's being "a bad mother". I disagree. I say she's being protective over Clark and wants to let him know that he should only take this overwhelming responsibility as Superman because he chooses to, not because he feels burdened by some level of guilt.
My only nitpicks is that Eisenberg doesn't do it for me at the moment, and I wish the Batcave actually looked like a bat-cave instead of Iron Man's bunker. Otherwise, I do like the direction where this film is going.
By the way, the more I look at that graffiti Robin suit, the more I'd be really surprised if Jared Leto's Joker doesn't appear in a cameo.
Fishy, I love the comparison between Supes and Batsy. I guess part of that may be the difference in who they are, I mean Superman can afford to be friendly to everyone he meets. If they try to whack him with a baseball bat or shoot him or something when he turns his back, bad day for them lol. Batman doesn't have that luxury, and all the toys and all the know how and all his strength and everything won't do him one damn bit of good if he lets someone get the drop on him, so he just totally refuses to allow that to happen. He never switches off, and it has to be kind of draining at times. Maybe that explains some of his weariness and why the Manor has gone to hell and all that.
Glad someone else is as impressed with Ben's body language as I am (I hope it's my previous mentions that you mentioned were previously mentioned lol).
The thing I love about this is that as "gritty" or whatever as it is supposed to be, it still has the fantasy aspect that Christopher Nolan and his sheeple tried to destroy as being part of Batman (not the character himself but the whole dealio). Of course most of that is with Supes, like the mere fact that he's Supes lol, and plus I think that is Kryptonite that Edwa...I mean Lex is looking at.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Mon, 13 Jul 2015, 10:57
I'm intrigued why Wayne Manor is in such a state of disrepair.
I think there's a key reason for this. There's a chance this Bruce has few living allies left. Robin killed - (a tombstone of a very well known character has been spotted during filming also) and maybe Gordon has bitten the dust. The Manor for Bruce may be a place of death and bad memories, with the graveyard nearby. Apparently this Bruce lives in a smaller cottage near a lake. If Batman is a loner with few allies left, that would make sense for the Justice League to be his new family.
Good answer TDK. Affleck has been saying this Batman that he is portraying will be the darkest yet, so it does make sense that he lost a lot of allies and friends along the way. I can definitely see his membership with the Justice League giving him another chance to regain some sort of family connection that he has lost so many times.
I like how we'll be seeing Desert Strike Batman in action.
(https://www.batman-online.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbatman-online.com%2Fimages%2F14367959289420.jpg&hash=bcf70ec4ab077d27f45fff1c97c297a071efe33b)
Way more adventurous than getting stuck in a hole in the middle of who knows where. ;)
Somebody also posted together a GIF of Zod firing his heat vision from MOS together with Bruce Wayne witnessing the destruction from the trailer. Note the continuity with the heat vision as it fires. Despite what Henry Cavill says, BvS definitely looks like a sequel to MOS.
(https://www.batman-online.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgiant.gfycat.com%2FMatureWealthyAndeancondor.gif&hash=b8da0bb86aa3fac9ad601bd9282f5e95ad0cdc11)
And is it just me, or does Alfred's look seem inspired by Robert Downey Jr wearing glasses?
(https://www.batman-online.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F3e09YLT.jpg&hash=53cec6fa849f73bf08738df914422976f6d7187c)
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Fri, 17 Jul 2015, 10:30
Somebody also posted together a GIF of Zod firing his heat vision from MOS together with Bruce Wayne witnessing the destruction from the trailer. Note the continuity with the heat vision as it fires. Despite what Henry Cavill says, BvS definitely looks like a sequel to MOS.
This is absolutely a sequel to Man of Steel, so I don't know why Cavill says otherwise. It continues and develops those events. I like how they've placed Bruce in Metropolis during Zod's invasion, too. This Bruce may be emotionally scarred but he's still a human being who cares and protects for the greater public.
And by Zod destroying a Wayne building with Wayne employees inside, Bruce has added reason to be wary of these Kryptonians and their power levels. With the groundwork Man of Steel left, they've approached the sequel in the right way.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri, 17 Jul 2015, 12:36
This is absolutely a sequel to Man of Steel, so I don't know why Cavill says otherwise. It continues and develops those events. I like how they've placed Bruce in Metropolis during Zod's invasion, too. This Bruce may be emotionally scarred but he's still a human being who cares and protects for the greater public.
And by Zod destroying a Wayne building with Wayne employees inside, Bruce has added reason to be wary of these Kryptonians and their power levels. With the groundwork Man of Steel left, they've approached the sequel in the right way.
I completely agree The Dark Knight.
I had some misgiving about Man of Steel particularly the seemingly interminable climactic fight between Superman and Zod, but now we've had a glimpse of the follow-up movie it all makes sense, including the 9/11 type devastation of Metropolis and its impact on other (anonymous) superheroes, Supes killing Zod, and why this isn't the happy, trouble-free Superman of the Christopher Reeve films but a much more brooding, borderline pariah, super-being.
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Sun, 12 Jul 2015, 19:41
I didn't care for what I saw of Lex Luthor either, looks wise or in terms of what we saw of Eisenberg's kooky, creepy performance (where's the whole 'Brad Pitt mixed with Richard Branson' vibe Snyder promised us?
I know, right?!?
Loved the trailer, but yeah, if there is a negative, it's Eisenberg as Lex. Which is about what I expected, or possibly, even WORSE than I expected to be perfectly honest here. Really hate to make such a judgement call on the little bit I've seen of his interpretation, but jeez, it's anything but positive for me.
Everything else looked aces to me.
Was kinda surprised to see the couple of less-than-subtle references to the Joker so early, but I can't say that I wasn't digging that stuff either! Even Gadot's Wonder Woman, from the very brief glimpses we see, looked serviceable. Which I'm sure will be the case, as Snyder will give her moments to shine, just like the beautiful Antje Traue had with Faora in
Man of Steel.
Quote from: The Joker on Fri, 17 Jul 2015, 14:49
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Sun, 12 Jul 2015, 19:41
I didn't care for what I saw of Lex Luthor either, looks wise or in terms of what we saw of Eisenberg's kooky, creepy performance (where's the whole 'Brad Pitt mixed with Richard Branson' vibe Snyder promised us?
I know, right?!?
Loved the trailer, but yeah, if there is a negative, it's Eisenberg as Lex. Which is about what I expected, or possibly, even WORSE than I expected to be perfectly honest here. Really hate to make such a judgement call on the little bit I've seen of his interpretation, but jeez, it's anything but positive for me.
Everything else looked aces to me.
Was kinda surprised to see the couple of less-than-subtle references to the Joker so early, but I can't say that I wasn't digging that stuff either! Even Gadot's Wonder Woman, from the very brief glimpses we see, looked serviceable. Which I'm sure will be the case, as Snyder will give her moments to shine, just like the beautiful Antje Traue had with Faora in Man of Steel.
Yeah, I think there's a good chance that Jesse Eisenberg could be the weakest link in this movie. But who knows, he could start off as a cocky, geeky villain who later on becomes more depraved over the course of the film/series.
Apparently, Grant Morrison has issues with this movie version of Wonder Woman.
Quote"I sat down and I thought, 'I don't want to do this warrior woman thing,'" said Morrison of Wonder Woman: Earth One. "I can understand why they're doing it, I get all that, but that's not what [Wonder Woman creator] William Marston wanted, that's not what he wanted at all! His original concept for Wonder Woman was an answer to comics that he thought were filled with images of blood-curdling masculinity, and you see the latest shots of Gal Gadot in the costume, and it's all sword and shield and her snarling at the camera."
http://www.newsarama.com/25265-grant-morrison-criticizes-batman-v-superman-s-wonder-woman-raimi-reacts-to-spider-man-reboot-more.html
I don't know how he can judge her characterization so quickly when all we can see are glimpses of her in the trailer.
Unrelated to BvS:
Raimi also said, of Marc Webb's Amazing Spider-Man and Amazing Spider-Man 2, "I saw them both. They were great."
I agree with him on this. Funny that most of his "fans" don't ;D
Zack Snyder says that Batman v Superman is kind of a sequel to Man of Steel, which goes without saying. I still don't understand why Henry Cavill would say otherwise...unless it's because Batman has a bit more screen-time? :-\
Source: http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice/37030/zack-snyder-batman-v-superman-is-man-of-steel-2
I could be wrong, but I think it's a sequel to MoS as much as "The Avengers" was a sequel to "Captain America: The First Avenger" or "Thor"
There's a number of things going on in trailers one and two that tell me Snyder is once again creating a score of plot points that are most likely going to get glossed over because of the restraints of film time. I see Batman's origin (which can be a dream sequence for all I care); I see Lex Luthor; I see the makings of Doomsday; I see Wonder Woman; I see the remnants of what was once Robin; I see a story between Clark and his mom, Clark & Lois, and somewhere in there you have Batman feeling he needs to take on Superman. You have Wayne coming back to his version of Wayne Manor that looks more like old ruins than a structure to live in.
So there are a blue million stories going on here that either need tremendous backstory to make them relevant or we're going to get just a bonanza of empty plot points that require another movie to make sense of them. Not a big fan of movies that can not be self-contained at least in the story they are attempting to unfold. Bite off only what you can chew. I feel this is Warner Bros trying to play catch up with Marvel and the Avengers. Better to tell a full story right than to just rush a bunch of characters together to look like something that has already come and gone.
I'll definitely be seeing this opening weekend, but my gut tells me it's juggling too many plot points along with a plethora of tonality issues with all of these characters and their story responsibilities. I also feel like allot of the action sequences are starting to look like game graphics. Hopefully that will improve in post production. I remain hopeful but cautiously so.
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While promoting his new film Our Brand in Crisis, Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice actor Scoot McNairy was asked by WeGotThisCovered what fans should expect from the film. McNairy wouldn't say much, but he did say that this film about aliens and gods would be grounded in reality.
"This is the superhero film that is more grounded in reality than any of the other ones," McNairy said. "It's a comic book movie, yes, but it's very, very grounded."
Source: http://comicbook.com/2015/10/21/batman-v-superman-is-grounded-in-reality-according-to-scoot-mcna/
I never bought into that whole "grounded in reality" nonsense. Apart from the whole world's reaction to Superman's presence following events in MOS, I really don't see anything realistic from what I've seen in BvS so far.
Meanwhile, there are rumours (and I stress, rumours) concerning the film's enormous budget.
QuoteAccording to Latino-Review, the budget of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice is a whopping $410 million. If this is true, it will be the most expensive movie ever made, beating Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End's $341 million by some margin. The site also claims that the estimated budget for Justice League (presumably both parts) will be $500 million.
While it may seem like an incredible amount of money, it could be very possible given that Marvel have reportedly set aside $1 billion to make both parts of Avengers: Infinity War.
Source: http://www.flickeringmyth.com/2015/10/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-has-a-reported-budget-of-410-million-justice-league-to-cost-500-million.html
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Sun, 25 Oct 2015, 05:01
I never bought into that whole "grounded in reality" nonsense. Apart from the whole world's reaction to Superman's presence following events in MOS, I really don't see anything realistic from what I've seen in BvS so far.
I don't think it's nonsense when viewed in the right context - how the real world would 'realistically' react to superpowered beings if they happened to exist.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 25 Oct 2015, 06:05
I don't think it's nonsense when viewed in the right context - how the real world would 'realistically' react to superpowered beings if they happened to exist.
I do agree with that. It's that I'm annoyed that people look for what they deem realistic for the wrong things. Usually they're the ones who are against having Batman getting together with other superpowered heroes because "it's not realistic" and "he's not a team player". Basically, they're the ones who are totally against this movie being made to begin with.
Not only is the "not a team player" excuse completely untrue judging by the sidekicks he has, he is a member of the Justice League. I think people often get confuse with preferring Batman to work alone in comics as opposed to him not having partnerships at all.
True. Batman is a team player, but he's always striving for a sense of independence. If there's a bunch of superhumans forming a crime fighting group, you bet he's going to be involved. Not just to assist, but to keep his eye on them. To make sure it's all running above board and to his liking.
Batman is not a perpetual lone wolf. Maybe some forget all the years in which he had Robin as a partner, for the most clear example.