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I don't think Val Kilmer as Batman was a problem, quite the contrary, but the stupid conflicts between Tommy Lee Jones and Jim Carrey on set, the constant quips from the characters in the movie, even from Alfred, and the fact that they deleted much of the film's more serious material bothers me.

It was still satisfying for me, but not great.

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Thank you very much. I'm not being sarcastic either, to be clear.

I wasn't bothered by the quips myself. The film still had a lot of serious elements. Not really some of the deeper aspects, I agree. Although I personally found the giant bat deleted scene a little off.

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I agree.

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Yes, but Grissom asked what would've happened if the film turned out exactly like it did in terms of same script and same direction. I don't believe Keaton's reputation would be tarnished since he was known as a comedy actor before, but it was Schumacher's new direction and the neon lighting that made Keaton turn down the movie in the first place.

And that brings us back to the main problem of the film for me: That they wanted to make a lighter Batman movie and not the best movie they could've made. 

It's a good thing they managed to accomplish a pretty good movie then.

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It actually would have fit the progression though;

In the first film Bruce Wayne is a mystery to the public so much that Vale and Knox don't recognize him. The only other time we see him go out in public was to crime alley to pay his respects.

In the second film we see more of the industrious side of Bruce Wayne; he goes to meet with Shreck and implies he's discussed power issues with the Mayor. Perhaps having a female relationship and killing his parents killer as well as saving Gotham gave Bruce the confidence he needed?

So introducing Wayne enterprises and making Bruce a statesman was the next logical choice for the third film.

I don't see how that would give someone confidence. Likely it left him emotionally numb, with the only sense of enjoyment he has is when he's wailing on criminals, like miller batman. Thinking about it now that's probably why his connection with Selina was so important to him, it was him finding some human connection when he was losing himself.

Note that Bruce isn't acting quite as tortured in the second film. I know people like to read a lot into the first shot of Bruce but all that's implied there is that he's a man who sits and thinks to himself. He's more confident but he does in a way relive the dark part of his past noticing that Oswald was orphaned as well. In the third film he again would have relived it with Dick's parents dying. While many believe Bruce isn't acting dark and tortured in the fourth film because the third film cures him, it is also possible that is the only film in which there are no events paralleling his parents death.

Alfred dying.

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That's a deleted scene.

Dialogue earlier in the movie makes it clear that this isn't the first time Batman's gone up against Two Face. It's at least the second, fittingly enough.

That's not exactly a confirmation that his clothes would be there. If he were to escape, wouldn't he take his clothes with him? His clothes in arkham were the same clothes he wore in the movie. Does he have multiple suits exactly the same hanging around?

I do think that Harvey was locked in arkham, but based on the film and not it's deleted scenes the impression I get is that he'd been escaped for a while, weeks, maybe even months. They don't discuss in the film Harvey having just broken out. The conversation they have sounds like he's been out for a little bit, hence Chase saying that they should have seen this coming.

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I liked Val Kilmer in the role. Michael Keaton's version wouldn't have worked for it or that story. Keaton played sad, angry, sometimes in love, but also off psychologically Batman. It worked for Burton's Batman. But Schumacher's was very much heroic, redemptive, hopeful and romantic. From Bruce saying to Harvey that he needs help instead of setting him fire to the moment where the movie ends on him smiling with a newfound hope for batman as a hero, instead of looking slightly perplexed out the window of his car about what he is.

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Whoa. Tim Burton's birthday is the same day as mine!

Well, happy birthday, Tim.

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Happy Birthday Tim.

And Happy Birthday to you too Dagenspear.

Thank you!

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Whoa. Tim Burton's birthday is the same day as mine!

Well, happy birthday, Tim.

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I get that it was hard to flesh out so  many characters (Chase, Nygma, Dent, Dick, and even Kilmers Bruce) but it would have been interesting if they connected Dent to batman more. I think I posted this before but it would have been unique for a superhero to have two villains with one enemies of the alter ego (Riddler vs. Bruce Wayne) and the other having a vendetta against the masked hero (Two face vs. Batman). It would have made the scene of Riddler solving the great mystery of who is batman more meaningful. I know in essence this was the case but I felt the film could have further emphasized this.

What I'd have done was play off Dent's OCD as well as loyalty to the coin;  establish a connection of Batman and Dent in which Batman wants to contain Dent but not beat him. As well have situations where Dent has Batman beaten but the coin saves Batman.

There's an allusion to that in the film actually, where batman tells two-face, "You need help Harvey." But it's not heavily played on. There's a line though that I think plays a little into what Bruce feels like is his failure with Harvey where he tells Dick, "I've dedicated my life to helping people I've never met, face's I've never seen. Well, the face's aren't faceless anymore." I don't know if it's meant to really allude to anything with Bruce, but I've found that line interesting recently.

It is a sequel to returns. But I like the scene too. It feels a little out of place, but it's not a big deal.