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New Gotham Trailer! Thoughts? Have a very great day!

God bless you all!

I'm sure most of you have heard of the news that Joss Whedon's ex-wife is now slamming him in public. She's accusing him for having multiple affairs while they were married, and calls him a hypocrite for his championing of feminism. Some fans are reacting to this extremely badly, as one fansite had apparently shut down after fifteen years.

Under normal circumstances, a celebrity's personal life is none of my concern. But now I have the uncomfortable thought that some detractors will take advantage of this revelation to spin their negativity towards Justice League and Batgirl. After all, if the same vile pigs celebrated Snyder leaving the JL production to grieve for his deceased daughter, then anything is possible.
Snyder's problems are deeply sad and were done to him as a parent. Whedon's problems are his own. As far as I've heard, he filed for divorce and he admitted he cheated to her after he filed. So who cares about people using this as ammo against the DCEU? The comparison doesn't apply at all. Have a very great day!

God bless you all!

Via digging, I know Homecoming retroactively shows Peter was video blogging in Civil War, right before he jumps out to reveal himself at the airport. If showing another side of past events is a crime, Homecoming and the MCU Spider-Man is guilty too. But y'know, this is completely different to showing another side of the Metropolis attack in BvS. Just as Marvel retroactively made Iron Man 2 Peter's first canon appearance. BvS builds upon MoS as well, because uh, it's a sequel. But all we get is double standards and semantics.
Neither changes anything about their previous movies. Homecoming doesn't change anything about Iron Man 2. And BvS changes nothing about MOS. It's all the same. The vlog thing hurts Homecoming and nothing else. It changes nothing about Civil War.

Don't you know? They're totally different. Because anything that isn't the exact same must be the exact opposite. They're not exactly the same which means they're total different, don't you get it? :D
Whenever you have a movie that's building on a previously established foundation, the story may be standalone, but the whole canon should be taken into account. Homecoming won't retroactively change anything about Civil War though. All Homecoming can do is build upwards from what Civil War established. Just like all DOJ can do is build on MOS, not the reverse.

From what I know, Uncle Ben is NOT mentioned by name at all. Civil War doesn't mention Uncle Ben by name either. That's a stone cold fact that cannot be denied. He’s simply not an important person in this universe, if he even exists.
Him not being mentioned by name is a far cry from not being important, because that's simply not true. He is. He's Peter's motivation for his heroism. Should it be stated outright? Yes. Is it the movie's biggest problem? Yes. But he's not ignored and is important.
A line or two with his name would’ve sufficed, ala TASM2, but it seems we get nothing. I don't care if Tony Stank is in the film for one minute or one hour. Peter looks up to the guy with admiration and gets handed a fancy suit which he then keeps. In the complete absence of Uncle Ben or Uncle Ben's ghost, he's Peter's male father figure. Don't show Uncle Ben's murder again - fine. But at least mention him a couple of times. He's a huge part of the Spider-Man mythos and I think ignoring him is a travesty.
You're ignoring the whole point of the movie, which is actually a similar one to Raimi's, and that's that the tech cool father figure Peter looks up to as a hero, he shouldn't look up to. Tony isn't a real father figure. He's a cautionary tale for Peter. Him keeping the suit is honestly the easiest way for us to get the classic eye moving look, which I'm fine with. The point is he rejects being Iron Man and becomes his own hero.
Civil War is used as evidence Peter has spider sense, even though HC doesn't show this feature at all.
Civil War is used as evidence Uncle Ben could exist, even though HC doesn't mention him at all.

We have people trying to use the CW to justify the sequel's complete and utter absence of these aspects. But I'm sure if this was MoS/BvS, we'd be told a film should be able to stand alone as a piece of cinema, regardless of what transpired before it.
Whenever you have a movie that's building on a previously established foundation, the story may be standalone, but the whole canon should be taken into account. Homecoming won't retroactively change anything about Civil War though. All Homecoming can do is build upwards from what Civil War established. Just like all DOJ can do is build on MOS, not the reverse. Unless we're dealing with prequels. No one's saying these things shouldn't be established more efficiently in this movie though. They should. There are problems with the movie. It's more flawed than Raimi's initial movie. Have a very great day!

God bless you all!

By your standards it is weightless. I'm not using your standards. My complaints about May are more than just the fact she's never been depicted as a young woman, which I don't like. Aunt May is a massively important Spider-Man character and I say she's been bungled.
If it's more than that, it doesn't apply to my comment, just the looks part.
This talk is hilarious coming from you. Colors and myself get slapped down for bringing up Man of Steel when discussing Dawn of Justice, but you bring in Civil War when talking about Homedumming.
DOJ, like Homecoming, doesn't make anything matter more in the previous movies. HC has forward momentum. The situation you're bringing up I think, was trying to use the sequel to justify the first movie. Forward momentum doesn't work backwards.
Again, your standards not mine. Homedumming made a deliberate politically correct, diversity point with their casting decisions. The look of the characters was a big deal for Marvel. Flash looks nothing like Flash. 'MJ' doesn't look like MJ. That's just a fact. Just slapping on the name doesn't work for me. Emma Stone at least looked like Gwen.
Michelle MJ doesn't look like Mary-Jane Watson because she's not. It's dumb, but that's a different issue. Flash is still bully of sorts. Batman can be played by Idris Elba for all I care, as long as it's the character. Needless racechanging is pointless and dumb, but minor.
Again, you bring up Civil War in a discussion about Homecoming. But if we bring up Man of Steel in a Dawn of Justice debate, it doesn't apply for some reason.
CW is before HC. DOJ is after MOS.

TASM2 got grilled for downplaying Uncle Ben's importance. Hey, at least we saw him in the first film, and he was mentioned by name in the sequel. Homedumming apparently flat out IGNORES Uncle Ben. It's all about Tony Stark as the male role model.
Tony is barely in the movie and the whole story for Peter is not looking to others and being his own hero. Tony likely benefits more from this experience than Peter does. More than anything it's a tale of humility for Peter, of realizing his friendly neighborhoodness is what makes him who he is. It's the worst part of the movie unquestionably, that Ben isn't mentioned by name or talked about. But he's not ignored outright. Peter alludes to the Ben situation in Civil War and in this says that he doesn't want to upset May after all she's been thru. It's poor canon wise, but not ignoring.
Aunt May (who has never, ever been depicted as a young woman)
If that's a complaint, it's a weightless one.
TASM2's Peter fights crime because he wants to protect the city from danger. Homedumming's Peter only stopped crime to impress Tony Stark and get a starring role with the Avengers. And this happens long after Uncle Ben's supposed death (if it ever happened). He should've been way past this mentality.
He's only been spider-man mere months and he was fighting crime before Tony even found him. Peter literally verbatim says in Civil War that he does what he does to help the little guy.
Homedumming characters like Flash Thompson don't remotely look like their comic counterparts.
The way they look isn't important for characters that barely matter to the story. It means literally nothing how Ned Leeds, Betty Brant, Liz Allan and Flash Thompson look. The ideal situation is that at least half looks more like their canon versions, but it's very minor that they don't.
Spider sense? Hah. Who needs that when you have a computer telling you everything.
He has spider-sense. We saw it in Civil War.
For Spidey, more so than any other character, the suit should just be a costume. The powers come from HIM, not the suit.
Peter made the webbing, shooters, has spider-sense, strength, agility and wall crawling all on his own. Honestly I'll take this over the version that stole or bought his web from oscorp. Have a very great day!

God bless you all!

Batman & Robin (1997) / Re: 15 years of Batman and Robin
« on: Thu, 10 Aug 2017, 03:48 »
No that's not the point. Batman/Bruce is fearful of Superman because he perceives him as an alien with the power to wipe out the human race. During their fight Batman learns that Superman isn't so different, he has humans he protects and cares for, he considers his family to be human and Batman was about to do to the Kents what Joe Chill did to his family. He stops when Lois helps him realize that superman isn't the enemy, he's just trying to protect the ones he loves.
The point is that Batman tries to murder someone because they exist. It doesn't matter why he tries. He still tries and would have without Lois or the Martha thing to make him see Superman as a person. But Batman doesn't see anything during the fight. He sees it after the fight, when Superman is down for the count. Superman is an alien with the power to wipe out the human race. That means nothing and doesn't give Batman license to murder someone. Killing criminals is messed up for Batman, but broken Batman the movie's trying to show how he can become better, sure, I'll accept it, but the minute the movie decides that Batman's going to murder Superman just for existing is the minute he's closer to Owlman than any Batman. Have a very great day!

God bless you all!

Batman & Robin (1997) / Re: 15 years of Batman and Robin
« on: Wed, 9 Aug 2017, 16:58 »
Still on about that rubbish? Affleck is not any more laughable or campy than Bale's overacting with that idiotic voice, and speaking in grandiose terms about his moral code, only to get people killed anyway. Or betraying everything he stood for to protect a criminal. Come on now!

Mark of shame, my ass.  ::) If you still think Batman and Superman stopped their dispute because their mothers share the same name...well, I don't know what to tell you.
Still better than Batman betraying everything he stands for by trying to murder another hero and never facing any consequences for it.

We all get it. Bruce saw him as a person because by their moms having the same name, he saw himself as the monster, etc. etc.. It's all still because their mom's have the same name though. Otherwise Bruce would have murdered Clark right there. That's a problem. Have a very great day!

God bless you all!

Movie Fan Fiction / Batman vs Superman Fan Rewrite
« on: Sun, 6 Aug 2017, 04:56 »
Open the movie with the end of MOS, show Bruce arriving, running into the rubble, seeing Superman, glaring, basically the same thing.


The same terrorist situation where Lois is captured. She sees some of the terrorist figures faces. Superman, without hurting people, saves Lois, but a bomb goes off in the terrorist bunker, burning everyone completely, killing everyone inside.

Then cut to a senate hearing discussing Superman and how he still hasn't been held accountable for the destruction in Metropolis. And with the most recent unauthorized destruction of the terrorist group by Superman, as far as they think, which resulted in the deaths of 2 civilian hostages, they state that it's time they discuss what Superman should do and not what he can do.

Show Clark watching the senator talking about how they're now officially calling Superman out to answer for what he's done, for Metropolis and the deaths of those civilian hostages. He's forlorn. Lois enters their apartment, seeing him watching the senator. She tries to reassure him, telling him that he's not responsible for what happened, he just has to tell the truth. Clark says that he is. He should have seen the bomb, but he wasn't focused enough. It's his fault, it all is.

Batman is a reckless, vicious vigilante. He pummels criminals like rapists and murderers into near comas. Alfred is deeply concerned about Bruce's growing viciousness, fearful that he'll cross the line. Have the scene where Alfred says that everything's changed also have him glance at Jason's costume just as he says it. Jason's death caused him to shut down as a superhero, but after the events of MOS, he's retaken his mission harder than ever. He has nightmares about his parents deaths and Jason's death intermingling into the same event.

Superman is very much playing with kid gloves. After the events of MOS, he's afraid of his powers, the destructive force he has. He doesn't break bones, he tries to avoid destroying property. He doesn't want anyone else to get hurt. He has ptsd-esque flashbacks about the events of MOS. He still works, he's begun a relationship with Lois, which is struggling because of his disconnected attitude. Clark is obsessed with keeping himself from being something that frightens people, so much so that he's formed a partnership with Metropolis' hometown billionaire to help the city...

Lex is paranoid, rich, ruthless and fearful. He's grown and constructed his entire life around being powerful, great and untouchable. And then comes Superman, a powerful creature that is better than, more special than and more powerful than him, something that he can't control, that he can't protect himself from and he can't stand it. He's basically Batman on steroids. The Bruce Wayne worst case scenario. Only in a more self-involved way. He views Superman as a threat in waiting to him personally, not just really the world. Keep Jesse Eisenberg if you must. But make him more physically fit, not overly muscular though.

Lex's birth father abandoned him to be adopted by a broke family in the slums. He was raised by unfit parents, an alcoholic mom and a controlling dad. When they died, he worked his way through college using the insurance money from their deaths and used it to buy stock in his real father's company. When he was discovered by his dad, Lex discovered that his dad had abandoned him to see how he could thrive on his own, to see if he would ever be worthy enough for his company, then telling him that he's seen that's the case and that he's left Lcorp to him in his will. Enraged at him, his entire life being a pawn under the thumb of his real father, Lex killed him. He then used all the knowledge he'd gained to completely change the face of Lcorp, even giving his name to it, along with doing away with the oil business and making Lexcorp a science and military contract based company, creating new medicines, cutting edge research in fringe sciences, along with DNA studies, and weapons. Not to mention all of the jobs Lex created for the city after one of Metropolis' worst financial fallouts, due to the Gotham earthquake that caused significant damage to a part of Metropolis, essentially pulling the city out a kind of depression situation. Lex helped the reconstruction of the city after the battle of Metropolis as well.

Batman, after finding satellite footage from the world engine event of Superman being weakened, goes there to see if he can gather whatever weakened him, where he finds just particles, green dust left from crystalized rocks from the attempted terraforming effect of the world engine. But that's it. He investigates the area more and discovers that Lexcorp was there and took all the crystalized rocks.

Superman goes to the senate hearing where he's asked about his perception, his powers, what he plans to do about them and why he's doing what he's doing. Superman tells them that he just wants to help, that it's all he ever wanted. He's asked if he thinks the help that destroyed Metropolis by a mother of someone who was killed. Superman is visibly broken up and tries to explain that he made a mistake, he thought he could handle Zod, he didn't know it would cause as much destruction as it had.

The senators tell him that his powers aren't something that anyone can afford for him to make mistakes with. They ask him what gives him the right to do what he does when he can cause so much harm, when his mistakes do what they.

Someone tries to say that if Superman had done nothing, the world would be destroyed. Someone then yells that it's because of him that they came in the first place. The other person then yells that they don't know that for sure. A fight breaks out and Superman, worriedly starts to try and stop it, but is told by the senators that they have officials who deal with that and the fight is broken up by the guards.

Superman says that his powers give him the responsibility to try to something about what's happening in the world. They respond that responsibility doesn't give all say over the ways of the world. Superman's then asked that what makes him think that they need his help, that he has the power to fix all the problems of the world. Superman says, "Nothing. I just don't want anyone to be afraid of me anymore, when I'll I've ever wanted to do was keep as many people safe I could." They then say that he can't ever do enough.

The hearing ends, them telling him that despite the good he's done, it doesn't matter what he can do, that doesn't give him the right to act on behalf of humanity, especially if the cost of that can be the lives of innocents, and finally that they'll reconvene the next day for a complete decision. Superman leaves.

Lex uses the kryptonian ship, which was given to him as apart of his military contracts and a sample of Superman's DNA to create a clone, a mentally deficient clone, even a decaying one, something that he can control. He uses it to frame Superman for attacks. The first one being the senators from the hearing.

This shakes Superman. He sees the public and understands that no matter what he does, he won't be trusted by them, that he feels he shouldn't be, with everything he can do, everything he's done. He nearly quits because of this. It's really all about Superman's sense of inferiority. He's afraid that he can't help people now that they know he's out there. He's afraid that even though he knows the attacks happening aren't his fault he still fears that it's something he could be capable of. He doesn't see himself as helpful to the world, but as a negative force in it.

There's a running theme of a feeling of inferiority in this story. Lex feels inferior, because Superman's existence makes him feel powerless and inadequate. Batman feels helpless as ever to do good, to help people, because of such a destructive creature like Superman being around. This feeds into his already intense powerlessness at the loss of Jason Todd at the hands of the Joker due to his, as far as Batman's concerned, inaction.

Batman and Superman cross paths twice before the fight. Once during a bank robbery and another during an altercation where Superman does x-ray through Batman's cowl and tells him to stop his vigilantism. Batman rejects this and begins building his suit to combat Superman after he sees the stories about Superman's attacks, that are really Bizarro. Superman does some digging on Bruce Wayne, finding out about his parents deaths and the death of his ward, Jason Todd. He sees an escalation in Batman's viciousness ever since Jason Todd's death.

Batman breaks into Lexcorp to steal the kryptonite.

When Alfred discovers that Batman's making preparations to kill Superman, he tries to stop him, to convince him not to, that there must be an explanation for what's happening, saying that Superman has helped people and it makes no sense to turn on them now. Batman gives Alfred a version of the 1% speech, only this time citing Harvey Dent as an example of someone who wanted to help, but still turned on people. Alfred tells Bruce that if he does this, he's leaving like the others left and he's not coming back, that he can't prove 100% that it's Superman, that it could be another kryptonian come to earth. Bruce just says that the chance can't be taken. Alfred walks away.

Meanwhile Lex has been keeping tabs on Superman, tracking an energy signature that he gives off using his satellites and an understanding of kryptonian DNA that he got from breaking Zod's body down, leading him to discover his identity. Though the body is now destroyed because of the process he used to do this. He then kidnaps Martha, framing Batman for it, placing a batarang at the scene that he'd taken from Gotham police evidence lockup.

Lois investigates Superman attacks. She tracks them to Lexcorp and recognizes Lex's goons leaving the building from the opening terrorist confrontation, following them.

Superman is basically winning the fight, until he stops himself and begins to realize that he and Batman have been manipulated by Lex. Batman capitalizes on Superman's stopping and uses his kryptonite weapons. And Batman begins beating Superman brutally, mercilessly, and we see flashes before Batman's eyes of Jason Todd being beaten half to death by the Joker with the crowbar.

During the fight Alfred would try to convince Batman over the comm to stop, but Batman turns it off, saying that he has to.

He would then tell Superman that he's let too much death happen because he wouldn't do what was necessary and that he won't let that happen again. But Superman would convince Batman that he doesn't have to do this, to cross this line, that he understands how he feels. That powerlessness can make you lose sight of what's right, it can make you make mistakes, big ones that you'll regret for the rest of your life. That you can feel like you can't save anyone. That doing this will make him lose what's good in him and he might never get it back and then, confirming that he knows who he is, says, "Bruce, this isn't who you are. You can be better than this. You have to make a choice about the kinda man you wanna be. Do you want to be this?" Batman flashes back to his father telling him that in life you have to make a choice about the kinda man you wanna be. And Bruce realizes what he was about to do, what he was about to become and crumbles to the ground under the weight of that realization.

Lois tracks the goons to a building, sneaking in, where she finds Martha and unties her. She then calls Clark and tells him this and hearing the name Martha, Bruce is snapped out of his guilt stupor and realizes that he can still be a hero. Lois' then caught by Lex's men. Batman then hears from Alfred that Superman's attacking the city, or rather Bizarro is and he tells Superman. Superman isn't sure what to do and turns to Batman for help, who says that he'll go after his mom, that Martha won't die tonight, no one will.

Batman goes to Lois' location, with Alfred tracking her phone GPS. He fights the goons and saves Martha and Lois.

Superman confronts Lex and tries to make Lex stop Bizarro. Lex tells him about Bizarro with, "Aliens, metahumans, magic, it's truly bizarre times we live in. Only fair that we make something just as bizarre to combat it." He says he thought Lex was his partner, a friend. Lex tells him, "With you? After demolishing a chunk of the city, you expect any human to be a friend to those terrifying hands. The hands that'll now be responsible for the city's destruction again."

Superman, angry now, asks Lex, "Why? I only wanted to help."

"Why? Good question... Ya know, I was the hero of the city before you got here, grew up in the slums with 2 poor thugs, abandoned by my real father, and when he died I saw my opportunity to take what was rightfully mine, I pulled the city out of mediocrity and made my company and it a shining beacon for the world, then your alien invasion obliterated everything I worked for. And I put it back together again and you know who everyone cheered for? Superman. You stole everything that I earned. It's what you're here to do, take away the power human's have, decide our fate for us. To stand above us all and lord your power so we all bow down and worship you. You don't get to do that. You hold humanity's destiny in your hands and I'm taking it back. The world will look at your corpse and see you for the monster here to take our fates out of our hands that you really are. And I'll be their hero. I guess I should thank you though. You helped me see that this world was larger than I thought." Lex then snaps his fingers and Superman's tackled by Bizarro. The fight leads through the city, Bizarro trying to endanger people, Superman working extra hard to save them.

Batman hears about the fight from Alfred about and goes to help. Him and Superman together fight Bizarro. Batman using his kryptonite weapons, as Superman helps people. Batman and Superman work together to defeat Bizarro. After Bizarro is subdued, Batman's about to use his kryptonite weapon to against him, considering killing him. But Superman stops him, saying that he promised that no one would die tonight, saying that there has to be another way, that he's learned that it will only cause more pain, that this creature is just something else Lex has manipulated. Superman and Batman go to arrest Lex. Superman tells Lex he's going to make him answer for everything he's done. Lex stabs Superman in the arm and sets off a kryptonite bomb to explode and kill them, then jumping for the elevator, but Batman saves Superman, protecting him with his lead suit and the aftershock of the firey kryptonite residue hits Lex.

Aferwards Superman and Batman talk, Batman deeply apologizing for what he nearly did and Superman responding that what he nearly isn't what's important now, but we did do and what he will do. He did what was right. And that's why he knows that he can trust him. Superman decides to trust Batman with the kryptonite, saying that if anything were to happen, he now trusts him to stop him. He says that he's tried to be perfect, to be above people, but he's not and that's why he's been tormented, he's held himself to an impossible standard. He's NOT God. Not a Savior. And he has no right to allow people to think that he is. He's only human. And it's time that he accept that and start accepting help, saying that he has Batman to thank for helping him see that. Batman says that it's time he does the same.

Montage this with Lex in the hospital, the kryptonite having poisoned his DNA, making him lose his hair, it being publicly stated that there was no evidence to say he was behind Bizarro, due to the creature decaying, as all those associated with the ship defense projects are dead. And Superman confronts him, telling him that he'll put him away and accurately surmises that Lex's ego won't let him tell anyone else his secret identity. Lex himself wants the honor of destroying Superman and now Superman knows that Lex has his eyes on his family, so he'll always be prepared for him.

Then Batman comes back to the batcave to see Alfred waiting for him. He tells Alfred that he's sorry and hugs him. And he helps Bruce clean Joker's message off of Jason's costume, making it no longer a reminder of Batman's failure, but a memorial in Jason's memory. He then contacts Oracle, telling her to tell Dick that he's back. Alred, for the first time in the movie, smiles.

And Clark proposes to Lois, saying that he's ready to let her in now.


Post Credits Scene is Wonder Woman informing Bruce about the coming war. Diana would still be laced throughout the movie. But more briefly. We don't even know she's WW until this moment. She breaks into Lexcorp and destroys all the files on metas, which Lex has still accumulated. After WW1, she's made herself extremely low key and protecting of the identities of other heroes and by going into Lex's files, she found out that the kryptonian ship as it was held by Lexcorp picked up an message indicating Darkseid's attack.

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