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Post by: Catwoman on Mon, 3 Oct 2016, 21:37
So, Ben's solo movie has a title. What do you peeps think?
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Post by: Travesty on Tue, 4 Oct 2016, 01:39
I think most people expected the title. I like it.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Tue, 4 Oct 2016, 01:50
I like it as well. It's familiar, yet different enough to grab attention. It's got to be tough thinking of titles for new Batman movies so maybe we should just be happy this isn't called "Another One with the Guy Who Has Pointy Ear-Thingies on His Mask; Hey, Sue Us, We're Still in the Red After that Green Lantern Debacle".
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Tue, 4 Oct 2016, 02:26
The title is fine. It's been bandied about for a long time now. And what colors said above is right, too. Affleck has given us THE Batman, so it fits.
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Tue, 4 Oct 2016, 02:29
It works for me.
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Post by: Catwoman on Tue, 4 Oct 2016, 04:50
I used to hate the term "the Batman" because it made him seem like a thing instead of a person. Then I realized that was cool as hell lol. So now I love it, so I'm all good with this title.
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Post by: Azrael on Tue, 4 Oct 2016, 12:23
I like this throwback to a simpler title, where the movie's title is just the main character's name. I'd love it if they return to a BATMAN (SOMETHING) format for the sequels. The shorter the title, the better.
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Post by: The Joker on Tue, 4 Oct 2016, 19:10

Works for me.

On the cover of Detective Comics #27 1939, the character is actually introduced as The Batman. So incorporating that for a Batman movie title is a beautiful thing. In addition to already having been referred to as The Batman in previous films, so it's not an entirely foreign concept. The most memorable, for me, was spoken by Michelle Pfeiffer in "Batman Returns".

Quote from: Wow... the Batman! Or is it just "Batman?" Uh, your choice, of course!

– Selina Kyle, Batman Returns

;)
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Wed, 5 Oct 2016, 08:47
Batfleck, aka the king, has spoken again:

"[Deathstroke] just seems like a great counterpart to Batman. They're similar in terms of skillsets, they're similar in terms of tone, and he's never been utilized in a movie before which is really, really exciting."

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Post by: thecolorsblend on Thu, 6 Oct 2016, 02:57
Quote from: Catwoman on Tue,  4 Oct  2016, 04:50I used to hate the term "the Batman" because it made him seem like a thing instead of a person. Then I realized that was cool as hell lol. So now I love it, so I'm all good with this title.
That's what I like about it, m'self. It calls to mind things like "the wolfman" and whatnot. It sets Batman up a horror character, a monster... for criminals.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 6 Oct 2016, 04:30
My guess.

Deathstroke sets loose some classic foes from Arkham Asylum, much like Bane in Knightfall. Batman takes these villains down over the course of the movie. But instead of becoming exhausted, Batfleck perseveres. He fights Deathstroke at the end, which culminates in the biggest and baddest Batman fight of all time.

I'd be down with something like that.

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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Thu, 6 Oct 2016, 11:30
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed,  5 Oct  2016, 08:47
Batfleck, aka the king, has spoken again:

"[Deathstroke] just seems like a great counterpart to Batman. They're similar in terms of skillsets, they're similar in terms of tone, and he's never been utilized in a movie before which is really, really exciting."

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/d4ccfee08305d4951e851a2ba758946c/tumblr_ocpuaoNCpV1t9kn95o2_400.gif)

I knew those Arkham games would become a source for inspiration to Hollywood.  8)

Cue in snobs decrying "the movie will look and feel like a video game like BvS".  ::)

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu,  6 Oct  2016, 02:57
Quote from: Catwoman on Tue,  4 Oct  2016, 04:50I used to hate the term "the Batman" because it made him seem like a thing instead of a person. Then I realized that was cool as hell lol. So now I love it, so I'm all good with this title.
That's what I like about it, m'self. It calls to mind things like "the wolfman" and whatnot. It sets Batman up a horror character, a monster... for criminals.

I figured it gave the impression to the rest of the public that he's an urban legend too.
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Post by: Slash Man on Fri, 7 Oct 2016, 04:32
It makes him sound like a mythical creature. Which I totally like (doesn't hurt that it was formally the character's name at one point).

Somehow I didn't like when the animated series was titled The Batman. I guess it just seemed like it was trying to hard to differentiate from the previous animated series, which people just called "Batman."
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Fri, 7 Oct 2016, 09:53
It appears that news about the movie and its title were premature because Affleck has said there's nothing confirmed yet.

Quote"I mentioned the other day... it's been around for a long time, the movie... there is no Batman movie happening yet, we're still trying to figure it out, you know, get the script and budget and all that stuff. And someone said, 'what are you calling it?' and I had said, like, back when we were promoting another movie, I was like 'we don't have a name for it, we're just going with The Batman or Batman movie', and I said that, and everyone was like 'Affleck announces the title of his Batman movie.'"

Source: https://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman/ben-affleck-backtracks-on-the-batman-comments-there-is-no-movie-happening-a145758
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Post by: Catwoman on Fri, 7 Oct 2016, 14:48
I'm just the messenger  :-X
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Post by: The Joker on Fri, 7 Oct 2016, 17:30
Quote from: Catwoman on Fri,  7 Oct  2016, 14:48
I'm just the messenger  :-X

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Post by: Catwoman on Sat, 8 Oct 2016, 01:28
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Tue, 18 Oct 2016, 09:17
Despite Afflec raining down on the fun, Joe Manganiello reckons filming will begin some time next Spring.

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2016/10/17/the-batman-deathstroke-actor-joe-manganiello-says-solo-film-shoots-spring-2017

The plot thickens.
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Wed, 9 Nov 2016, 00:15
American Psycho author Bret Easton Ellis started a rumour where he heard WB executives were criticising the solo Batfleck script, but has now backtracked from his claims and regretted saying anything in the first place.

Source: http://www.cbr.com/you-know-that-batman-script-rumor-bret-easton-ellis-regrets-starting-it/

I'll give Ellis the benefit of the doubt. He Tweeted that BvS was one of the best films he saw this year five or so months ago, so I don't think he has an agenda.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 11 Nov 2016, 22:37
This quote by Joe Manganiello is very much worth mentioning:

QuoteWhen I met Ben we sat down and we talked about, you know, the role. We talked about the movie. His take is a fresh take but I think the audience is going to be surprised. Because it's a road that no one's really gone down that's completely integral to, you know, who Batman is. And I think it's gonna be refreshing but at the same time completely familiar. But it's going to take this franchise in a direction that I think a lot of people are going to be really happy about.
It's going to be gritty and action packed and cerebral and all of those elements that people love about Batman.

Any guesses?

I'm thinking the death of Robin will be featured, which is something new to the films but still 'completely familiar', given the character also broods over his parents frequently. I also predict it will be more of a detective thriller merged with action seen in the BvS warehouse.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Fri, 11 Nov 2016, 23:11
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri, 11 Nov  2016, 22:37I'm thinking the death of Robin will be featured, which is something new to the films but still 'completely familiar', given the character also broods over his parents frequently. I also predict it will be more of a detective thriller merged with action seen in the BvS warehouse.
It does sound intriguing, I'll give you that. The detective thing hasn't been done as often as some of us might like.

Speaking of, one awesome thing about BvS is how it both showed and alluded to Batman fighting plain ol' criminals. Yeah, he contends with supervillains and whatnot but his day-to-day revolves around street crime, drug dealers, kidnappers and all that jazz. I'd love to get more of that type of stuff in the Affleck movie, if you please.

And as before, nothing fancy. Old fashioned butt-kickings where Batman smashes the stuffings out of everybody like he did in BvS is fine by me.

This is gonna be so awesome...
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 11 Nov 2016, 23:46
Yes, and also, such a story would explain why the Justice League don't become involved in his solo film. If Deathstroke is the main villain, the rest of the League are happy to say "Batman has this". Even if a lot of rogues are let out of Arkham. Because it's important to remember, Batfleck has been doing this job way before any of them, except of course Wonder Woman. It's not his first rodeo.
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Thu, 15 Dec 2016, 00:21
Affleck says the script is getting finished and has a lot of enthusiasm to start filming for it. Some rumours suggest it could start next year.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman/ben-affleck-now-indicates-that-hell-be-ready-to-shoot-his-solo-batman-a147511
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Thu, 15 Dec 2016, 13:37
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Thu, 15 Dec  2016, 00:21Affleck says the script is getting finished and has a lot of enthusiasm to start filming for it. Some rumours suggest it could start next year.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman/ben-affleck-now-indicates-that-hell-be-ready-to-shoot-his-solo-batman-a147511
Sounds great! So probably it'll be geared for release in 2018 then. My hope is Junkie XL comes back to do the score. He created some pretty interesting themes for BVS and he's the logical choice to score The Batman.

Do we know for sure that Affleck is directing? Nevermind, he's directing, just read the news blurb.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 17 Dec 2016, 01:08
Junkie did a great job with the Batman side of things. He doesn't get enough praise.

It's a really broody, atmospheric theme when played at the lower register. It's very reminiscent of the Arkham Asylum video game main titles, which I love. It strikes a balance that Batman needs. It is depressive and reflective but nonetheless heroic in its own way. For reference, listen from 4.47 to 7.14 on 'Men Are Still Good'.

Pure Batman. It speaks to me about Batman's personality. How he feels about his parents murder, being a loner for his adult life and fighting a one man war on crime night after night. I'm sure others feel that when listening to the theme too.

The pure version of the theme in all its glory is great too. 11.20 to 13.54.

It's pure aggression. Those metallic beats never go away and are the backbone of the melody. It speaks to Batman's defiance and refusal to give up. The melody played over the top is nice too. It still has the rising note style theme we have grown to know and love, and the choir at the end is welcomed.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Sat, 17 Dec 2016, 03:33
Elements of Junkie's work kind of reminds me of Goldenthal. Not that big bombastic hero theme Goldenthal came up with but the moodier, more brooding parts of his score. The melodic element Goldenthal went for with that horn (or whatever) sound in that 4:47 section of MASG with the melodramatic strings swirling around sounds almost a perfect match for some of the broodier parts of BF's score. I at least can picture Kilmer walking around the shadowy Batcave catching updates about Two Face's crime wave and flashing back to the good old days before Dent was scarred up in court.

That aspect of both composer's work just seems very similar to me and I welcome more from Junkie because of that.

I really love all of MASG because of how perfectly BATMAN it is. That heavy, pounding, relentless, almost industrial mega theme is pure Wagnerian bombast and I love it. You can picture Affleck's Batman kicking criminals' asses, pounding the snot out of them with his clenched fists, his teeth gritted in anger while he works brutally but methodically through all of his adversaries.

To go full fanboy, one thing I've done over the last year or two is fall in love with all the major Batman composers we've had up to now. Elfman, Goldenthal, Zimmer and now Junkie XL, they all bring a different approach and they're all perfect for what they each set out to do. Elfman's work wouldn't hold up for Snyder's Batman and Goldenthal's themes wouldn't play well with Nolan's Batman. But each composer's work is perfect for the films in which they're used and I dig that in a big way.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 17 Dec 2016, 03:44
Junkie also has what I call a horror theme. It goes all quiet and then out of nowhere the score booms as a dark surprise. I can see that coming back in the future because it perfectly fits the silent takedowns Batman performs in combat. So that's three elements of the character he has. The somber side, the horror side, and the full on Batman Mode of the main theme. And we cannot forget the Beautiful Lie track which relates to Bruce's parents. To me that's an instant classic. I was tearing up when that scene played and I don't care who knows. Which is remarkable given we've seen the Wayne's getting killed so many times now.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Sat, 17 Dec 2016, 03:52
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 17 Dec  2016, 03:44Junkie also has what I call a horror theme. It goes all quiet and then out of nowhere the score booms as a dark surprise. I can see that coming back in the future because it perfectly fits the silent takedowns Batman performs in combat. So that's three elements of the character he has. The somber side, the horror side, and the full on Batman Mode of the main theme. And we cannot forget the Beautiful Lie track which relates to Bruce's parents. To me that's an instant classic. I was tearing up when that scene played and I don't care who knows. Which is remarkable given we've seen the Wayne's getting killed so many times now.
I think the reason that scene works so well is because (with all due respect) it plays to Snyder's strengths as a filmmaker where he can play the action silently with music to serve as the emotional guide. He does that as well as anybody and better than most.

Watching those familiar scenes was like watching a comic book and the BL track perfectly conveys the emotions.

In fact, that's one thing I really enjoy about BVS on rewatches. MOS didn't have Snyder's signature visual style to it. But dammit, BVS did!!! That gorgeous slow-motion, the almost operatic approach to the cinematography, it's just pure Snyder goodness.

My lasting regret is that Snyder won't direct any of the solo Batman films. I know he can't be everywhere and do everything himself but Batman is losing something without Snyder. I'm sure Affleck will do an amazing job but I'll miss Snyder's touch with the material, you know?
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 17 Dec 2016, 04:36
Yes, however we still have Justice League to enjoy. I am positive the same martial arts choreographers will be involved in the solo film, along with Junkie XL and the same sets. Snyder will be missed, at least from my perspective, but the groundwork will still be there. I like Snyder a lot, but I like Batfleck more. I'm hoping for as many films as possible with him. Directors come and go. Batman is forever.
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Sat, 17 Dec 2016, 23:49
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 17 Dec  2016, 03:44
Junkie also has what I call a horror theme. It goes all quiet and then out of nowhere the score booms as a dark surprise. I can see that coming back in the future because it perfectly fits the silent takedowns Batman performs in combat. So that's three elements of the character he has. The somber side, the horror side, and the full on Batman Mode of the main theme.

The music during that scene where Batman was hiding from the cops and they discovered he had branded Santos was definitely chilling. It had that horror movie vibe. Batman really evoked fear in that scene, much better than any scene with expository dialogue ever could.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEu3aND6WGI

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Post by: thecolorsblend on Sun, 18 Dec 2016, 01:52
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 17 Dec  2016, 04:36Yes, however we still have Justice League to enjoy. I am positive the same martial arts choreographers will be involved in the solo film, along with Junkie XL and the same sets. Snyder will be missed, at least from my perspective, but the groundwork will still be there. I like Snyder a lot, but I like Batfleck more. I'm hoping for as many films as possible with him. Directors come and go. Batman is forever.
I know. And based on his track record up to now, there's every reason to think Affleck will do just fine with Batman as far as directing goes.

But Snyder basically gave me the exact version of Batman that I want right now and... *sigh*
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 18 Dec 2016, 02:04
That's true. However he will be tied with Burton at two films apiece. He'll be in good company.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Tue, 3 Jan 2017, 06:49
Quote from: The Hollywood ReporterBen Affleck Hedges on Directing Batman Solo Movie
"If it doesn't come together in a way I think is really great, I'm not going to do it," Affleck said.
Ben Affleck is stepping back into Batman's cape and cowl for November's Justice League movie, but it's possible he won't be stepping behind the camera for the Dark Knight's planned standalone film.

In an interview with The Guardian, Affleck offered an update on the project, tentatively titled The Batman, which he is slated to direct and star in.

"That's the idea. But it's not a set thing and there's no script. If it doesn't come together in a way I think is really great, I'm not going to do it," Affleck told The Guardian.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/ben-affleck-batman-movie-will-he-direct-afterall-960207
To be realistic, Affleck is currently expected to write, direct and star in the movie. Guys, that's pretty ambitious. Any one of those gigs is a full-time position unto itself. If he's suddenly fudging on doing all three, I assume it's because he realizes the workload he could be taking on might be too much. Pre-production would surely be a logistical nightmare, and that would be so even if he started working on all three of those things right now.

It might be worthwhile to bring in a director to take some of the burden off... though that raises the question of who might be suitable for this bad boy. And I have no real ideas there.
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Tue, 3 Jan 2017, 07:31
Fair enough if he doesn't want to tackle all three jobs at once, that's a big ask for anyone.

But what I don't get is the script remark. Awhile ago, Affleck said "We're still finishing up a script, I'm very excited". But now he's saying there is no script. Am I missing something here?
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Tue, 3 Jan 2017, 12:41
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Tue,  3 Jan  2017, 07:31Fair enough if he doesn't want to tackle all three jobs at once, that's a big ask for anyone.

But what I don't get is the script remark. Awhile ago, Affleck said "We're still finishing up a script, I'm very excited". But now he's saying there is no script. Am I missing something here?
It's vague. It could mean there is literally no script, not even a draft. Or it could mean the one he's been working on still isn't finished yet. Your guess is as good as mine.

Actually, my guess is probably better because I'm awesome. But you get the idea. :D
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Tue, 3 Jan 2017, 12:55
Well, it's true you know. You are awesome.
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Tue, 10 Jan 2017, 22:35
Affleck says he IS directing the next Batman.

https://youtu.be/rEWUZdPniy4
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Wed, 11 Jan 2017, 11:21
When Affleck announces the script is done and filming is set to commence...you just KNOW this project is going to be sensational. He's a guy who is only satisfied with perfection.
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Fri, 13 Jan 2017, 01:36
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 11 Jan  2017, 11:21
When Affleck announces the script is done and filming is set to commence...you just KNOW this project is going to be sensational. He's a guy who is only satisfied with perfection.

Which is why it seems he's going to be taking his time before filming will begin, judging by these quotes he made in an interview with USA Today.

Quote
"Superhero movies get the level of attention that is nothing like any film I've done. You cast the 14th lead in these movies and the Internet goes crazy," Affleck said. "I understand and embrace that. That's part of the pressure that comes with doing it. That's why I am not going to do it, unless I really feel confident about it."

Of course, Affleck is still directing the film, something he confirmed (again) this week on Jimmy Kimmel Live, and despite his acceptance of the attention, he's very well aware what day one of production will entail. "But when that day comes, should that day come, I'm sure that's going to be the most pressure, the most stress I have ever experienced in my professional life. There's no doubt."

One principle change Affleck plans on making will be an overhaul to the Batman costume, specifically to make it easier to get in and out of. "I know what's it's like to be in the suit," said Affleck. "We'll have to modify the suit to make it a little bit easier to put on and take off. When you are in it, you can be sweating, crazy and exhausted, do your part and walk away. But when you're a director, you can't walk away. You have to be there for everybody. Chief among the challenges of doing Batman, will be finding a suit that's more comfortable."

Source: https://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman/ben-affleck-embraces-the-pressure-and-attention-that-comes-with-directing-a148131
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Fri, 13 Jan 2017, 06:03
His comments about the suit interest me. It's a logistical challenge I hadn't considered... but it's proof that he's considering all the angles here. He knows what he's up against.

How might he change the suit? I suppose he could keep the basic design but add extra zippers or something.

Another possibility though is mo-cap. Seriously, hear me out. The BVS Batman outfit can be replicated easily using computer graphics. Why wear the real thing when you know it'll be uncomfortable as hell and an extra challenge to directing?

Movie costumes like superhero outfits are insanely expensive. You might not think so to look at some of them but they are. The outfit Brandon Routh wore in Singer's movie cost a minimum of $20,000 per costume. Some estimated $30,000 each. If you figure at least twenty costumes might get created for the movie, the costs add up PDQ.

Mo-cap isn't a cheap process but how much more could it possibly cost (not just in terms of money but also in terms of man-hours and production time) than producing 20 or 30 physical costumes? Mo-cap might cost a bit more but allows the director greater logistical flexibility?

Affleck seriously needs to consider mo-capping Batman's suit in his movie.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 14 Jan 2017, 08:38
What would people like to see in The Batman?

Here's a quick list from me.

1. The batfamily: He can bring in Oracle, Nightwing, Robin or Batgirl if he so desires. I think how the Arkham games handled Robin and Nightwing would be the best way to go. The games kept Batman as a loner, and his allies were also independent. But they answered his calls for help and displayed great loyalty to the man.

2. A new tragedy: The graffitied Robin costume in BvS has already been established. Affleck can flesh this out in the solo film if he so desires, giving audiences a new and powerful trauma for the character other than his parents death. It's not new to us fans, but it's new to the movies, and I think it would be wonderful.

3. Detective work: This has been touched upon in the films, but it hasn't been prominent. That can change. I'm talking about a Long Halloween style Batman, mixed in with crime scene investigations as seen in the Arkham games.

4. More Bruce: Affleck is one of the most charismatic leading men in Hollywood, so let's use that. That means seeing Bruce Wayne as the public figure and the businessman. We already know that Bruce is respected by his company's employees, and he's around the business quite a bit. So I'd like to see more. The Telltale Batman game is a demonstration as to just how cool and under-utilised Bruce Wayne is as a character.

5. The prepared man: I'm a sucker for secret doors and secret batcaves hidden around Gotham. If Affleck would bring this element to the table, I'd be really grateful. It hasn't been explored in the films to the full extent it can be. If Batman is locked into a seemingly impossible scenario, it would show he's always one step ahead.

And in general, all he has to do is retain the same martial arts as seen in BvS, and the same locations from that film. And of course bring back Junkie XL. I'd like the film to present a dire battle for Batman, much like TDK Rises did. But this time, Batman fights back in a more satisfying way and endures. It would be fist pumpingly good to see this dark, determined man using all his allies and resources to ultimately win the day.

But in any case, I have full faith in Ben Affleck.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Sun, 15 Jan 2017, 05:17
Batman as Detective- This has been spotty in the films so far. We see a bit of it happening in BVS but it's implied that he's been quite busy identifying the White Portuguese, studying the effects of Kryptonite, tracking Anatoli, etc. Continuing that stuff

Backstory- When I was getting into Batman in the late 80's and early 90's, there was a tremendous tapestry going on. Dick had become Nightwing, Babs had been shot, Jason was dead, etc. It gave the character a vast history and myth. What I cherish about BVS is how it implies so much history to this character and I'd love to see new items introduced or hinted at (Babs becoming either Batgirl or Oracle) while existing tidbits (the graffiti on Robin's outfit, the state of Wayne Manor, etc) can be explored. Snyder positioned the next Batman movie to be amazing.

Crimefighter- So often with these Batman movies you see Batman duking it out with supervillains but ignoring crime. BVS was a step in the right direction with all of the crimes (shown and implied) Batman has been fighting all these decades. Keep this going!

Arkham Asylum- Whether it's the video game concept or something more in line with the comics, I want to see the DCEU version of this thing. It doesn't have to emulate the story of the video game; just showing the place as a repository for Batman's enemies would be swell... and it would tie in with the backstory thing above.

History- One thing I enjoy about Grant Morrison's work is his notion of incorporating Batman's entire publishing history into the character's life story. So there was a Golden Age/1939 era in Batman's history, there was a Silver Age/Adam West era, there was a Denny O'Neal Adams/Bronze Age period, etc. Something like that in the movies could be very interesting. I won't insist on it but I'd love it.
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Sun, 15 Jan 2017, 07:23
Superhero films nowadays love to have multiple characters, but I'd prefer to have Batman face off against only one villain this time around. It would make the story more focused, and give Batman to strut his stuff.
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Post by: Catwoman on Tue, 31 Jan 2017, 02:19
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/ben-affleck-will-not-direct-the-batman-015043700.html
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Tue, 31 Jan 2017, 02:34
Quote from: Catwoman on Tue, 31 Jan  2017, 02:19
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/ben-affleck-will-not-direct-the-batman-015043700.html

So he'll co-produce the film and star, obviously. I suppose looking back, it was always a big ask to direct AND star the same film, but it's a little disappointing nonetheless.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Tue, 31 Jan 2017, 02:58
Oh well.

I'd love Zach Snyder to come back. That would be unbelievably awesome.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Tue, 31 Jan 2017, 18:11
Not a big surprise, tbh. It's a bit much to expect one man to meet with financing partners in his role as producer, coordinate production and keep studio suits pacified in his role as director, write an amazing script in his role as screen writer and turn in an amazing performance in his role as lead.

I think he could probably do all that if we were looking at a 2021 release date. But we're not. This is the smart move. It keeps Affleck engaged while freeing up a huge chunk of his time and concentration for other things.

Mind you, this raises the question of just who will direct the movie. Snyder is booked up, obviously. But what about Robert Rodriguez? He's finishing a movie pretty soon and his schedule just might allow him to transition directly into the Batman. His style could be an interesting match for Batman and his world. I don't just mean that Sin City thing (although that too); I mean the guy's entire Mariachi work ethic.

Hey, maybe Burton has an opening in his schedule. :D
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Post by: Travesty on Tue, 31 Jan 2017, 19:54
I thought the writing was on the wall when he was dodging the questions, and then talking about needing a better Batsuit to be able to act and direct. I'm not surprised, but it is a bit of a bummer.

I doubt he will, but I hope Snyder gets it, so we can see a meltdown from the more popular sites. But I don't even know who I would want to direct it? I would have to think about it. Also, I wanna see what direction Batman goes in with JLA.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Tue, 31 Jan 2017, 20:22
I don't think they should worry about finding a visionary auteur to sit in the director's chair. That would only be necessary if they were looking to establish a new interpretation from scratch. But the groundwork for this Batman has already been laid. They really just need someone technically proficient to work within the parameters of the DCEU 'house style' and get the job done.

At this stage I'd say the script is the element requiring the most care and attention. Get the script right and the rest of the pieces should fall into place.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Tue, 31 Jan 2017, 22:00
Forbes writer Mark Hughes claims to have heard rumours concerning Affleck's possible departure from the lead role:

Quote"Unfortunately, among the things I heard about his departure as director, I heard a few specifics that — if true — lead me to worry there is at least a chance Affleck could also walk away from starring in the picture. I don't feel those concerns are as likely to bear fruit, and I still expect Affleck will finish the screenplay as planned and then start prepping for the role by getting into "Batman shape" to ensure he's physically and mentally prepared for the role. That said, I do believe there's a chance now that Affleck could depart the project as an actor, winding up merely serving as cowriter and producer."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2017/01/31/ben-affleck-quits-as-the-batman-movie-director/#501b28de7a7a

I'm pretty sure this is all just conjecture stemming from his decision to pass on the directing gig. I seriously doubt he'll vacate the role.
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Post by: Travesty on Tue, 31 Jan 2017, 22:58
Well, if that turns out to be true, they should just get Schumacher and Clooney back.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Wed, 1 Feb 2017, 00:07
I don't believe that Affleck will vacate the role. However everyone is probably waiting to see how JL performs first. I really loved BvS, but endless moaning and ridicule isn't fun. That's hard to take for anyone. Affleck and the company gave something their all, only to get trashed. My confidence would be low as well. Especially when Affleck went through the Daredevil thing. At this point, I don't believe Affleck is going anywhere. There does seem to be a narrative in the media that the DCEU will fold though, (made up rumors that WW is terrible, etc) and hopefully that doesn't become self fulfilling. WB just need to hold their nerve.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Wed, 1 Feb 2017, 00:34
Looking at the matter strictly financially, the three DCEU movies up to now don't warrant panic of any kind. Per widget, they're more profitable than Marvel Studios so far.

Isn't Affleck under contract for Batman? He may not have the option of walking away. And it's not like we know everything but one wonders why he would walk away. He was well-received in the role. Most critics either ignored him or else specifically singled him out for praise. The opposition to him in the role was short-lived, and mostly made up of Nolan fanatics anyway.

I guess anything is possible but I don't see the motive in quitting.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Wed, 1 Feb 2017, 00:57
Neither. They are banking cash - I think a lot of it is mental. Getting nominated for Razzies and the like. Especially after Affleck's new film got hammered. He's probably not feeling so hot right now. But I continue to have faith. He's awesome as Batman and I like the plot trajectory they've taken.
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Wed, 1 Feb 2017, 01:34
Mark Hughes' rumour makes no sense to me at all. If Affleck were to leave the role, why would he still stay on as co-writer and producer? I'd imagine he'd want to walk away from the DCEU completely. This smells like bullsh*t to me.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed,  1 Feb  2017, 00:57
Neither. They are banking cash - I think a lot of it is mental. Getting nominated for Razzies and the like. Especially after Affleck's new film got hammered. He's probably not feeling so hot right now. But I continue to have faith. He's awesome as Batman and I like the plot trajectory they've taken.

Wait...did Affleck get nominated for a Razzie?!

EDIT: Never mind, I just learned that he and Cavill both got nominated.

So let me get this straight: Christian Bale gets awarded for Best Actor by the Saturn Awards during his tenure as Batman, despite playing Bruce Wayne in such a wooded manner, and embarasses himself nearly every time he opens his mouth whenever he's in costume...but Ben Affleck gets 'awarded' as Worst Actor at the Razzies?

Brandon Routh also won Best Actor at the Saturn Awards despite he was rather stiff as Clark Kent/Superman...but Henry Cavill gets 'awarded' as Worst Actor at the Razzies?

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2012/02/ice_cube_wtf_gqvqs30u.gif)

This planet is such a f***ing joke.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Wed, 1 Feb 2017, 19:07
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Wed,  1 Feb  2017, 00:34Isn't Affleck under contract for Batman?

According to The Hollywood Reporter his contract stipulates just three films – BvS, Justice League and Justice League II:

QuoteIn a Hollywood Reporter interview with WME-IMG's co-CEOs Ari Emanuel and Patrick Whitesell, Whitesell reveals how many movies Affleck has currently signed up for when it comes to DC's Caped Crusader.

"He's contracted to do at least Justice League One and Two, so at least three times wearing the cape," he says, adding, "There's a script that he's written that is a really cool [Batman] idea, so that's out there as an option."
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/ben-affleck-has-written-his-879355

So before he hangs up the cape, Affleck will have starred as Batman in at least three movies, not to mention his cameo in Suicide Squad.

But I still think he'll return for The Batman. While there was an obvious reticence in his latest comments about directing the film, I haven't detected a comparable reluctance when he's discussed starring in it. He still sounds keen. The only way I think he'll quit is if the studio pressures him to move forward with a script he's not happy with. But as long as WB allows him adequate time to develop the screenplay, I'm confident he'll see it through.
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Post by: Travesty on Wed, 1 Feb 2017, 19:53
^I thought Justice League 2 was canceled, and they're only doing one? So his contract could potentially be up if they dropped JL2.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Wed, 1 Feb 2017, 20:19
I think JL2 is still on the cards, but has been delayed until after The Batman (though I might be wrong about this). So I suppose it depends on whether Affleck's contract simply says "three films" or whether it specifies JL2 must be one of them. Either way, if they want him to appear in both The Batman and JL2 then a new contract will need to be negotiated.
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Post by: Catwoman on Thu, 2 Feb 2017, 01:32
Quote from: Travesty on Wed,  1 Feb  2017, 19:53
^I thought Justice League 2 was canceled, and they're only doing one? So his contract could potentially be up if they dropped JL2.

I don't think it was "cancelled" as much as they just decided it was only going to be a one part movie, originally it was going to be a two parter. That news came out before the stuff with Ben's solo Batman movie got revved up (like during one of the first JL set visits by one of the comic book websites I think?), so maybe it's filling JL Part 2's slot and his contract shifts to that? Or maybe they're still going to do a second JL movie and The Batman is added onto that.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 2 Feb 2017, 01:59
Quote from: Catwoman on Thu,  2 Feb  2017, 01:32
I don't think it was "cancelled" as much as they just decided it was only going to be a one part movie, originally it was going to be a two parter.
This is correct. Justice League II is still a real possibility, but later on. It wouldn't be a direct sequel to the events of the first film.
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Post by: Catwoman on Thu, 9 Feb 2017, 05:35
http://www.cbr.com/report-the-batman-will-get-fresh-start-when-new-director-boards/?utm_source=CBR-FB-P&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_campaign=CBR-FB-P&view=list
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 10 Feb 2017, 07:42
The major script rewrite rumor is fake news.

http://batman-news.com/2017/02/09/the-batman-script-warner-bros-affleck-happy/
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Post by: Travesty on Sat, 11 Feb 2017, 05:28
Matt Reeves is directing. Good choice. Can't wait to hear more about it.
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Post by: johnnygobbs on Sat, 11 Feb 2017, 05:33
Quote from: Travesty on Sat, 11 Feb  2017, 05:28
Matt Reeves is directing. Good choice. Can't wait to hear more about it.
He is indeed a good choice with a solid track-record, including Cloverfield and Dawn of the Planet of the Apes.

But I'm still a little bit bummed out about Ben Affleck quitting as director.  Here was a guy who'd directed a Best Picture Oscar winner, and up until Live By Night, had an impeccable filmography as a director of sophisticated and highly praised non-genre films.  I'd have loved to have seen what the guy behind Argo and Gone Baby Gone might have done with these characters.

Anyway, Reeves is still highly likely to maintain his consistent track-record, but does anyone know if he's a Batman fan?  Has he previously expressed any particular feelings about the character?
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 11 Feb 2017, 06:35
Quote from: Travesty on Sat, 11 Feb  2017, 05:28
Matt Reeves is directing. Good choice. Can't wait to hear more about it.
The film is gathering pace now. Affleck vacating the director's chair could've bogged things down, but thankfully that didn't happen. They've found someone quickly, and the choice itself seems fine with me. I'm also cool with this because Affleck is still going to have input - he co-wrote the script. And as we know, they're happy with the script now.

This is happening.
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Post by: Travesty on Sat, 11 Feb 2017, 18:48
Hmmmmmmm.....


(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16708694_778447098972610_4573470653639361618_n.jpg?oh=2bd5cd8cbefb46f062ba461addcffe50&oe=5940DFCF)

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Post by: johnnygobbs on Sat, 18 Feb 2017, 12:56
Just as well the report stated that there was only a 99.9% chance that Matt Reeves would be director of The Batman.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/391005-batman-negotiations-with-director-matt-reeves-reportedly-break-down#/slide/1 (http://www.superherohype.com/news/391005-batman-negotiations-with-director-matt-reeves-reportedly-break-down#/slide/1)

Honestly, this franchise is going from bad to worse.  It seems no decent filmmaker wants to touch it with a barge pole, which doesn't bode well for its long-term future.  I guess no one wants to be lumbered with Zack Snyder's disastrous vision.
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Post by: Travesty on Sat, 18 Feb 2017, 16:19
The only directors that dropped out were Affleck and Reeves. Affleck is understandable why he wouldn't want to. Reeves probably has his own reasons. There's been plenty of directors who drop in and out of movies. We had a bunch who dropped out before we got Nolan.

I'm just in a "wait and see" mode. It seems people have been picking this movie apart, and all we've had are rumors, for the most part. I don't know why, but comic book fans get incredibly hostile with just the tiniest bit of info. People had meltdowns over Antman directors dropping out. I dunno, maybe it's because I'm a lot busier these days, but this news doesn't really bother me. If Affleck drops out of playing Batman, then I'll start to get vocal, but right now, they're just shopping directors. This stuff happens.
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Post by: johnnygobbs on Sat, 18 Feb 2017, 21:01
Quote from: Travesty on Sat, 18 Feb  2017, 16:19
The only directors that dropped out were Affleck and Reeves. Affleck is understandable why he wouldn't want to. Reeves probably has his own reasons. There's been plenty of directors who drop in and out of movies. We had a bunch who dropped out before we got Nolan.

I'm just in a "wait and see" mode. It seems people have been picking this movie apart, and all we've had are rumors, for the most part. I don't know why, but comic book fans get incredibly hostile with just the tiniest bit of info. People had meltdowns over Antman directors dropping out. I dunno, maybe it's because I'm a lot busier these days, but this news doesn't really bother me. If Affleck drops out of playing Batman, then I'll start to get vocal, but right now, they're just shopping directors. This stuff happens.
But that's my fear.  If WB can't find a decent director who wants to take on this film, Affleck will drop out. :(  There are already some rumours circulating that's he's planning on doing so in any case (but simply staying schtum until the release of Justice League).
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Sat, 18 Feb 2017, 21:51
Warner Bros also lost two directors for The Flash. Seth Grahame-Smith quit the movie in April 2016 over "creative differences", and his replacement Rick Famuyiwa quit the following October. When a studio drives four directors away from a franchise in less than nine months, that usually suggests a problem with the management. And that's further proof of what I've been saying for years – that Warner Bros just isn't competent to get the most out of the DC licence. The ideal scenario for DC would be for WB to sell the rights to another studio, or better yet for DC to develop its own autonomous film production company similar to Marvel Studios. As long as the accountants at WB are making creative decisions, the franchise will never reach its full potential.

Quote from: johnnygobbs on Sat, 18 Feb  2017, 21:01
But that's my fear.  If WB can't find a decent director who wants to take on this film, Affleck will drop out. :(  There are already some rumours circulating that's he's planning on doing so in any case (but simply staying schtum until the release of Justice League).

I'm still sceptical that will happen. But if Affleck really is trying to get out of the franchise, then we should expect WB to announce a delay in the filming of The Batman. According to the most recent reports, filming is meant to commence in spring 2017. I can't see that happening when they still haven't even hired a director yet. So summer seems a more likely bet now. But if WB announces filming is delayed until after Justice League's release, then that's a sure sign the rumours of Affleck quitting have weight to them. WB won't want to announce his departure until after JL comes out in case it impacts the box office, so they'll cite script rewrites, director problems or scheduling conflicts as an excuse. But a significant delay in the filming schedule will most likely betoken Affleck's departure.

Of course we haven't reached that stage yet, and there's no reason to assume it will come to that. But one thing's for sure - they need to get a move on and hire a director. Time's running out if they want to meet their 2018 release date.
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Post by: johnnygobbs on Sat, 18 Feb 2017, 23:16
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sat, 18 Feb  2017, 21:51
Of course we haven't reached that stage yet, and there's no reason to assume it will come to that. But one thing's for sure - they need to get a move on and hire a director. Time's running out if they want to meet their 2018 release date.
No they haven't, and I hope you're right, because for all my issues with the DCEU, I still think Affleck is great casting as Batman/Bruce Wayne (if that decision came straight from Snyder, I have to give him kudos for at least something).  So, I hope Affleck gets the opportunity to make at least one truly great Batman movie.  I still believe he has the potential to be the best live-action Batman ever, but the only thing that's stopping him is at least one truly great movie in the part.
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Post by: Travesty on Thu, 23 Feb 2017, 20:29
Well, it looks like the rumors were false, and Matt Reeves is the director. He signed, and it's official now.

Quote"We are thrilled to have Matt Reeves taking the helm of Batman, the crown jewel of our DC slate," said Toby Emmerich, President and Chief Content Officer, Warner Bros. Pictures Group. "Matt's deep roots in genre films and his evolution into an emotional world-building director make him the perfect filmmaker to guide the Dark Knight through this next journey."

Reeves added, "I have loved the Batman story since I was a child. He is such an iconic and compelling character, and one that resonates with me deeply. I am incredibly honored and excited to be working with Warner Bros. to bring an epic and emotional new take on the Caped Crusader to the big screen."
In The Batman, Ben Affleck will face off as the title hero against Joe Manganiello, who will play Slade Wilson, aka Deathstroke, in the film. Additional appearances by Jeremy Irons as Alfred and J.K. Simmons as Commissioner Gordon are expected to happen as well.


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Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 23 Feb 2017, 23:58
Where are all the doom and gloom Batfleck/DCEU haters now? They had their biased pile on...but they've been proven wrong again. The major script rewrite rumor was fake news and Reeves has now been confirmed as the director. We get Reeves AND a Nightwing solo film. It turned out even better than first imagined.

So called fans thought WB would reboot after Justice League. So called fans thought the likes of Reeves wouldn't touch the DCEU with a barge pole. So called fans will continue to push the 'Affleck is going to leave' narrative because they still want to be on the front foot. This franchise is going from strength to strength.

I reiterate:
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 11 Feb  2017, 06:35
The film is gathering pace now. Affleck vacating the director's chair could've bogged things down, but thankfully that didn't happen. They've found someone quickly, and the choice itself seems fine with me. I'm also cool with this because Affleck is still going to have input - he co-wrote the script. And as we know, they're happy with the script now.

This is happening.

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Post by: johnnygobbs on Fri, 24 Feb 2017, 09:12
I'm really pleased with this news.  I was excited the first time Reeves' name was announced, severely disappointed when it was (erroneously it now appears) stated that he'd pulled out due to a breakdown in contractual negotiations, and now I'm ecstatic that he's now been confirmed as having signed his name on the dotted line.

Maybe that's what we needed.  False negative news followed-up by a genuine update confirming Reeves' involvement.  The news is all the sweeter after that initial disappointment.

As a fan of Cloverfield and the last Planet of the Apes film, my expectations are high, especially since I've always maintained that irrespective of my other misgivings concerning the DCEU, Ben Affleck is nigh-on perfect casting as Batman/Bruce Wayne, and deserves a shot at making the definitive solo Batman film.
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Fri, 24 Feb 2017, 11:53
This is very good news. I expect the 2018 release date will be on schedule then.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 23 Feb  2017, 23:58
The major script rewrite rumor was fake news and Reeves has now been confirmed as the director. We get Reeves AND a Nightwing solo film. It turned out even better than first imagined.

This. The Nightwing film being in development is something I never entertained the thought of happening.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 24 Feb 2017, 13:09
Burton
Snyder
Reeves

Each have six letters in their surname. He's in very good company!

Good to see Affleck and Reeves greeting each other on Twitter as well. Affleck is my favorite live action Batman so this confirmation makes me really happy. It puts a spring in my step knowing he's already filmed Justice League (where he has a major role) and has another film lined up all to himself. He'll be on par with Bale at three films at the very least, not counting the SS cameos.

In the long term, I think handing over directorial responsibilities could really help Affleck. He just has to focus on acting the part part now, and has less chance of burning out. If they get films in the can and give the actors decent breaks in between, ala JL, I think it's possible to keep the actors on board and satisfied.

Say, for example, Affleck does major appearances as Batman/Bruce Wayne every two or so years, with minor cameos in other DCEU properties in the downtime. Justice League 2 may be his next big role after The Batman.

I'm guessing Nightwing will have a cameo appearance in The Batman at some point, leading in to his solo film. I'm thinking the blue chest emblem would be the way to go, ala Arkham Knight, especially after the red emblem appearing in Batman and Robin. Oracle would be a bonus as well. I'm open to Tim Drake appearing as well, but if not, that's not a deal breaker. Jason Todd will probably be staying dead for the time being.

All in all, it's good news.
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Post by: Edd Grayson on Fri, 24 Feb 2017, 19:35
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Fri, 24 Feb  2017, 11:53
This is very good news. I expect the 2018 release date will be on schedule then.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 23 Feb  2017, 23:58
The major script rewrite rumor was fake news and Reeves has now been confirmed as the director. We get Reeves AND a Nightwing solo film. It turned out even better than first imagined.

This. The Nightwing film being in development is something I never entertained the thought of happening.

I'm so excited about all this, it's a great time to be a Batman fan!  :)
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Sat, 25 Feb 2017, 07:25
Quote from: Edd Grayson on Fri, 24 Feb  2017, 19:35
I'm so excited about all this, it's a great time to be a Batman fan!  :)

It definitely is, but there is still one news clickbait outlet continuing to run the "Affleck is leaving" rumour, despite the fact that the man himself welcomed Matt Reeves on Twitter. No wonder why I don't pay any attention to Collider anymore. ::)
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 25 Feb 2017, 07:37
See, it didn't take long. This is EXACTLY the kind of thing I'm talking about. Affleck officially welcomes the new director via Twitter and people read that as 'Affleck is quitting'. The haters have to pour cold water on good news somehow. And people wonder why news credibility is at an all time low.
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Sat, 25 Feb 2017, 09:02
What's annoying about Collider - the tabloid clikcbait outlet insisting that rumour is possible - is that they appear to be ambivalent about the DCEU. The lead guy there, John Campea, loved MOS and calls it a masterpiece and liked BvS and SS, while others on the internet show have rather mixed opinions. But when they watched the Ultimate Edition for BvS, they talked about "wow, THIS was the version that should've been released in cinemas, f*** the theatrical cut".

But now they're eager to persist on gossip and sell out to clickbait tactics, because when it comes to the DCEU, it seems negativity sells. Even if the rumour is completely baseless, they'll spin it anyway.

Another common issue I see from clickbait outlets is they spell doom when directors drop out of films before production starts, or reshoots are scheduled. This isn't only exclusive to the DCEU, it happens all the time in the industry. Besides, the MCU films had to undergo rewrites and reshoots and change of directors, even a pay dispute between actors at one stage.
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Post by: Travesty on Sat, 25 Feb 2017, 17:26
I have more of a problem with BOF than I do Collider. I agree, Collider has been pretty bad as far as The Batman goes, but BOF takes it to a whole new level. Jett and his podcast friends are so full of themselves, it's laughable.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 26 Feb 2017, 01:28
From what I've seen, Batman-News seems fair and without the annoying attitude. I hope they've left BOF behind in the dust, and I hope BOF are bitter and jealous of them. There are more avenues for discussing Batman now, and BOF simply don't have the monopoly anymore. Honestly, I think the way BOF behaved during the Nolan years really divided the fan base. It showed their true colors and I think people have probably moved on. The best thing to do, in my opinion, is to be aware of what they report, but do not to take any of it to heart. These people come with a lot of bias and a certain agenda.
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Sun, 26 Feb 2017, 02:20
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 26 Feb  2017, 01:28
From what I've seen, Batman-News seems fair and without the annoying attitude.

I don't know about that, somebody on Twitter accused that site for starting the "Affleck leaving" clickbait headline.
https://twitter.com/SuperheroSpot/status/831404985871011842

Who knows whether or not it's true?

As for Jett and BOF? Again, I pity anyone who describes himself a "Chris Nolan butt-kisser" and thinks TDKT is a masterpiece. So them complaining about the DCEU is not that big of a deal because he's a lost cause. But I reckon Collider are much worse at the moment. As I said, they were not nearly as negative about the DCEU as other sites like Birth.Movies.Death and such garbage are, but now it seems they wish Affleck would leave so they can feel good about how they were right to predict it would happen. What sellouts.

Anyway, now that this film is expected to have Batman facing off Deathstroke, we'll have to wait and see if it'll be yet another ensemble cast with multiple villains e.g. assassins competing for a bounty on Batman's head in Arkham Origins, or it'll be Deathstroke as the villain only. I personally prefer it was the latter to be honest. I've had enough of too many villains taking up screen. We haven't had a Batman film focusing on only one villain since 1989.
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Wed, 15 Mar 2017, 13:40
In personal news, Affleck announced that he had finished undergoing alcohol rehab. Good on him for seeking help before it would get worse, addictions can be life-destroying.

(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56fb3615f8508278fbc2a7a9/t/58c88fedc534a566891ab976/1489539056777/?format=500w)

http://www.theflitecast.com/posts/2017/3/14/ben-afflecks-personal-situation-puts-our-fanboyism-in-perspective
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Thu, 16 Mar 2017, 11:44
Now that Affleck came out with the rehab news, here is a compilation video of gossip movies news spreading rumours about his involvement in the rest of the DCEU, but then have the nerve to suggest "most people in the industry were aware of the issues he was facing".

https://youtu.be/FOGcuwgu1fw

Forgive me, but seriously, f*** all of these two-faced attention whores.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Mon, 20 Mar 2017, 23:44
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 26 Feb  2017, 01:28From what I've seen, Batman-News seems fair and without the annoying attitude. I hope they've left BOF behind in the dust, and I hope BOF are bitter and jealous of them. There are more avenues for discussing Batman now, and BOF simply don't have the monopoly anymore. Honestly, I think the way BOF behaved during the Nolan years really divided the fan base. It showed their true colors and I think people have probably moved on. The best thing to do, in my opinion, is to be aware of what they report, but do not to take any of it to heart. These people come with a lot of bias and a certain agenda.
Agreed. The part that burns my balls though is when movie studios believe they represent "the fans".

Bill Ramey has never represented me as a fan. He has never spoken for me. His views are rarely (if ever) my views.

But movie studios don't necessarily know that. "Durrr, Jett doesn't like Affleck's Batman so that means nobody does, time to retool!"

Shameful.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Tue, 21 Mar 2017, 02:40
Very true. You get corporations trawling through social media feeds, for example, reading negative posts about their brand and making rash decisions based on what they read. It happens. They make the mistake of thinking sections of the community represent the whole. And it's just false. It depends on where you look and when. Honestly, give me a Batman Returns and a Dawn of Justice over a watered down Suicide Squad any day. They need to hold their nerve.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Laughing Fish on Tue, 21 Mar 2017, 09:04
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Mon, 20 Mar  2017, 23:44
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 26 Feb  2017, 01:28From what I've seen, Batman-News seems fair and without the annoying attitude. I hope they've left BOF behind in the dust, and I hope BOF are bitter and jealous of them. There are more avenues for discussing Batman now, and BOF simply don't have the monopoly anymore. Honestly, I think the way BOF behaved during the Nolan years really divided the fan base. It showed their true colors and I think people have probably moved on. The best thing to do, in my opinion, is to be aware of what they report, but do not to take any of it to heart. These people come with a lot of bias and a certain agenda.
Agreed. The part that burns my balls though is when movie studios believe they represent "the fans".

Bill Ramey has never represented me as a fan. He has never spoken for me. His views are rarely (if ever) my views.

But movie studios don't necessarily know that. "Durrr, Jett doesn't like Affleck's Batman so that means nobody does, time to retool!"

Shameful.

Wait a minute...you mean to tell me that self-proclaimed "Chris Nolan butt-kisser" actually HAS an influence in Batman fandom?!

That is a sad reflection on the community. But then again, that would explain how a lot of fans online have a skewed outlook on things.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: thecolorsblend on Wed, 22 Mar 2017, 06:08
I think of organized fandom's relationship with movie studios as Butterfly Effect in nature. Remember George Miller's unproduced Justice League movie? Let's just use that as an example.

Jett was openly against the Miller JLA movie. He went on the record long, loud and often about it. By itself that may not have meant much. After all, Jett was one guy posting one idea on one web page. Right?

But consider: the JLA movie was facing challenges in pre-production. That writers strike was looming. Allegedly Chris Nolan gave WB some kind of ultimatum.

Obviously the George Miller JLA movie never got made. But might it have gotten made in spite of those challenges if a perceived mouthpiece for the fans (eg, Jett) had been more receptive to the a JLA movie? Maybe not. But maybe so.

If WB had believed that the fans were on board with the idea of a JLA flick directed by George Miller, might that have inspired them to soldier on and do the work to get the movie made?

To ask the same question from a different angle, was the opposition to George Miller's JLA movie (real or only perceived by WB) the final nail in the movie's coffin?

I doubt we'll ever know for sure. But I can't help thinking that Jett, in particular, may have contributed in some small way to the Butterfly Effect which killed Miller's JLA movie. I wanted to see the George Miller JLA movie and it bugs the hell out of me that possibly one reason why I never will (or however small and pathetic) is Bill Ramey.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Laughing Fish on Wed, 22 Mar 2017, 14:13
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Wed, 22 Mar  2017, 06:08
I doubt we'll ever know for sure. But I can't help thinking that Jett, in particular, may have contributed in some small way to the Butterfly Effect which killed Miller's JLA movie. I wanted to see the George Miller JLA movie and it bugs the hell out of me that possibly one reason why I never will (or however small and pathetic) is Bill Ramey.

If it's true that he has influence, once again, that's despicable.

But right now, I find it more despicable that clickbait garbage like Collider, Screen Junkies et al are using Affleck's alcohol problems to spin their negativity about the franchise. Especially that sellout John Campea. He had been dickriding on Affleck since the casting was first announced, and called him the best Batman we've had, but now he's gleefully spreading rumours about him leaving the role. I hold that man with utmost contempt right now. Clickbait scum are doing far more damage than fan sites right now, as long as people keep paying attention to them.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: thecolorsblend on Wed, 22 Mar 2017, 16:03
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Wed, 22 Mar  2017, 14:13But right now, I find it more despicable that clickbait garbage like Collider, Screen Junkies et al are using Affleck's alcohol problems to spin their negativity about the franchise. Especially that sellout John Campea. He had been dickriding on Affleck since the casting was first announced, and called him the best Batman we've had, but now he's gleefully spreading rumours about him leaving the role. I hold that man with utmost contempt right now. Clickbait scum are doing far more damage than fan sites right now, as long as people keep paying attention to them.
That's over the line. Exploiting someone else's addiction just to drive traffic to your site and inflict professional and personal harm upon them is beneath contempt.

I mean, it's legitimate news. And I get that. Not big news but still news. But there's a difference between reporting on the stuff and savoring every last drop of misery in the story. It's a little sick... and that's partly because this isn't the worst problem someone could have. I'm not trying to minimize Affleck's addiction but it's not like being an alcoholic is all that unusual. Exploiting this story so much as they have when it's barely newsworthy at all except that it relates to Affleck, you know?
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Laughing Fish on Thu, 23 Mar 2017, 11:02
The sad thing is, depending on how dire the circumstances are in Affleck's personal life, it wouldn't surprise me if he would want to leave.

The pathetic, hypocritical complaining some people made over his characterisation in BvS is disgusting and delusional, considering what we saw in previous films over the years. For example, look at Jon Schnepp from Collider. He's one of the sheep who bitches about Batman killing, ignoring the fact the only film he never killed anyone was B&R. You'd think somebody who watched all the films in the live action Batman catalog would know that by know, but apparently not, and I still need to be a dead horse about it to try get people to come to their senses (which is a lost cause).

But what's more outrageous is the overblown fuss and speculation about the pending solo Batman film. Seriously, if you're really in a bad frame of mind when you're trying to overcome an addiction AND reconciling a broken marriage (as I understand his current situation with Jennifer Garner), what are you going to choose as your main priority? Family, or making a film? Considering how ungrateful Campea is behaving recently despite liking the DC films and a few others on that stupid Collider show, I'd get sick and tired of been bothered by questions of "when's the next Batman coming out" too. Especially if they're just going to be ungrateful pricks about it. After all, there is more to life than movies.

I seriously hope I'm wrong, but with scumbags like this persisting on the rumour in light of Affleck trying to sort himself out personally, I'm getting worried. It does feel like they're trying to force him out for the sake of clicks, the bastards.

But then again if I were to think about it logically, there are contractual agreements that make this too complicated to abandon, and I doubt WB would want to let Affleck go and replace him with somebody else. And as irritating as Collider are, they're not exactly journalists either. They're know-nothing bloggers who happen to have an outlet to voice their meaningless opinions and are no genuine than you, me or anyone else.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 23 Mar 2017, 11:29
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Thu, 23 Mar  2017, 11:02
I seriously hope I'm wrong, but with scumbags like this persisting on the rumour in light of Affleck trying to sort himself out personally, I'm getting worried. It does feel like they're trying to force him out for the sake of clicks, the bastards.

But then again if I were to think about it logically, there are contractual agreements that make this too complicated to abandon, and I doubt WB would want to let Affleck go and replace him with somebody else. And as irritating as Collider are, they're not exactly journalists either. They're know-nothing bloggers who happen to have an outlet to voice their meaningless opinions and are no genuine than you, me or anyone else.
The modern media is largely about proving established narratives. They shut out anything that goes against that narrative and play up the drama. The bloggers love it. They relish it. For example, if Ben Affleck cured cancer the haters would say "but what about the other diseases?!" If Affleck walked on water, they'd instead say he can't swim. And substitute Ben's name with anyone the media chooses the hate. It's really annoying - believe me, I know. But I honestly think this stuff only appeals to the people who weren't on board with whatever is being attacked in the first place.

I'm aware of Ben's alcohol issues via headlines, but I haven't read any of the articles. That's his business. Personally, I think Batfleck is going to turn out fine.  Justice League is coming out in November. That's a good length of time for Ben to chill out before promotional duties commence. The fact he already has another Batman appearance in the can helps. They'll tidy up The Batman and get filming when the time is right.

When filming does start the bloggers in question won't admit they were wrong. They'll simply change their line of attack. It's always the way it goes. Perhaps they'll say there's tensions on set. That Affleck is drinking on set or the script itself is poor. Take your pick. It's a never ending game.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: OutRiddled on Thu, 23 Mar 2017, 14:13
Don't care if they replace him, Batman as a character can go through multiple actors like he has done in the past.  Also, they replaced the actor for the Incredible Hulk and nobody cried that that was the end of the MCU (that I know of).
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: thecolorsblend on Thu, 23 Mar 2017, 19:16
Quote from: OutRiddled on Thu, 23 Mar  2017, 14:13Don't care if they replace him, Batman as a character can go through multiple actors like he has done in the past.  Also, they replaced the actor for the Incredible Hulk and nobody cried that that was the end of the MCU (that I know of).
If you mean replacing Eric Bana, people threw hissy fits over that. Not a huge number of people but quite a few. That Hulk movie was the Superman Returns of its time, with people swearing by it even though it was lackluster at best.

If you mean replacing Norton, people threw fits over that too. Arguably more people, in fact. And some of it has stuck too because for as good as Ruffalo is, he's a bit portly to begin with while Norton was able to slim himself down for the role. I personally wish Norton had stuck around.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Laughing Fish on Sat, 1 Apr 2017, 23:56
Quote from: OutRiddled on Thu, 23 Mar  2017, 14:13
Don't care if they replace him, Batman as a character can go through multiple actors like he has done in the past.

Maybe they shouldn't have done that in the past.  ;)

Quote from: OutRiddled on Thu, 23 Mar  2017, 14:13
Also, they replaced the actor for the Incredible Hulk and nobody cried that that was the end of the MCU (that I know of).

I'm with colors, I rather wished they kept Edward Norton.

The latest Justice League trailer has relieved my concerns for now. But what annoys me is some fools are drawing comparisons between Affleck's real life alcohol addiction to the scene in BvS where Bruce wakes up from the mausoleum nightmare in his bedroom and sips a glass of bourbon. They're claiming art imitates life. As matter of fact, I remember some moron on Superhero Hype last year complained "you can't follow up Nolan's take by having an alcoholic Batman killing people with guns". Mind you: A) this putz hadn't even seen the film at the time, and B) Nolan's take used guns despite saying he was against them. So much for logic.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 2 Apr 2017, 02:03
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Sat,  1 Apr  2017, 23:56
The latest Justice League trailer has relieved my concerns for now.
What concerns did you have?
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Sat,  1 Apr  2017, 23:56
But what annoys me is some fools are drawing comparisons between Affleck's real life alcohol addiction to the scene in BvS where Bruce wakes up from the mausoleum nightmare in his bedroom and sips a glass of bourbon. They're claiming art imitates life. As matter of fact, I remember some moron on Superhero Hype last year complained "you can't follow up Nolan's take by having an alcoholic Batman killing people with guns". Mind you: A) this putz hadn't even seen the film at the time, and B) Nolan's take used guns despite saying he was against them. So much for logic.
Just be like Zack Snyder and hurl thunderbolts at them.

(http://i.makeagif.com/media/3-31-2017/y5QRLC.gif)

Savage Zack Snyder is the best Zack Snyder.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Laughing Fish on Sun, 2 Apr 2017, 02:15
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun,  2 Apr  2017, 02:03
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Sat,  1 Apr  2017, 23:56
The latest Justice League trailer has relieved my concerns for now.
What concerns did you have?

My concerns had nothing to do with JL, but the Affleck quitting rumours. Not exactly very rational, I know, but I got too preoccupied with the gossip surrounding his involvement with the franchise. You know, the BS rhetoric that "BvS made Batman beyond redemption and DC is no fun that even Affleck wants out". Must stay away from fake news.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: BatmanRoguesGalleryMovie on Sun, 23 Apr 2017, 02:09
Howabout GERIATRIC BATMAN..since he'll be 50 years old by release
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: GoNerdYourself on Tue, 20 Jun 2017, 16:15
It's amazing to me that either Affleck still has a stigma around him or that people try to stick a stigma on him. When he was cast as Batman, there were a lot of people who instantly ignored his growth as an actor and a filmmaker and went right back to Daredevil and his Michael Bay/Kevin Smith years. Now I'm hearing alcoholism and his age?

Quote from: BatmanRoguesGalleryMovie on Sun, 23 Apr  2017, 02:09
Howabout GERIATRIC BATMAN..since he'll be 50 years old by release

That just seems like a pointless snark. For one thing, this is supposed to be a seasoned Batman, considering one of the main inspirations for Batman v Superman was The Dark Knight Returns, which featured an aging Batman.

This comment reminds of something I saw on Reelz once. Iron Man had just come out and they had accumulated a bunch of 20 year olds who don't even care about their movies and asked their opinions on it. One kid said,"Why is Gwyneth Paltrow there? It's like Robert Downey Jr. is dating his mom!" Robert Downey Jr. is 7 years older than Paltrow.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: riddler on Wed, 21 Jun 2017, 13:59
Yeah what is this nonsense about Affleck's age?

-it's stated he's been Batman over 20 ears
-Robin is dead
-Harley Quinn has already been on multiple crime sprees (which happens later in Batman's career)
-he's forming the justice league
-the visible grey hair
-almost every conversation with Alfred about how long he's been batman before. Heck Alfred even states he's gotten too old to die young

so someone please show me any material where WB/DC implies this will be a young Batman. They're made no bones that this will be an older Batman and they're giving us what they promised. Will we get the same complaints if the Green Arrow is eventually introduced as an old man?
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Travesty on Mon, 26 Jun 2017, 15:47
War for the Planet of the Apes is getting good reviews. That gets me excited for what Matt Reeves will do for Batman.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Travesty on Mon, 26 Jun 2017, 18:36
Oh, and Matt Reeves confirms Affleck will be in the Batman solo movie.

http://batman-news.com/2017/06/26/matt-reeves-ben-affleck-the-batman/ (http://"http://batman-news.com/2017/06/26/matt-reeves-ben-affleck-the-batman/")
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Tue, 27 Jun 2017, 00:39
Quote from: Travesty on Mon, 26 Jun  2017, 18:36
Oh, and Matt Reeves confirms Affleck will be in the Batman solo movie.

http://batman-news.com/2017/06/26/matt-reeves-ben-affleck-the-batman/ (http://"http://batman-news.com/2017/06/26/matt-reeves-ben-affleck-the-batman/")
I had faith he'd return despite all of the hysteria. But it's REALLY good to have it confirmed by the director.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: thecolorsblend on Tue, 27 Jun 2017, 01:04
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 27 Jun  2017, 00:39I had faith he'd return despite all of the hysteria. But it's REALLY good to have it confirmed by the director.
Agreed. And I won't lie, a huge part of my enthusiasm for the movie would evaporate if Affleck were to walk away. He's what I want from Batman in cinema right now.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Laughing Fish on Tue, 27 Jun 2017, 11:19
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Tue, 27 Jun  2017, 01:04
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 27 Jun  2017, 00:39I had faith he'd return despite all of the hysteria. But it's REALLY good to have it confirmed by the director.
Agreed. And I won't lie, a huge part of my enthusiasm for the movie would evaporate if Affleck were to walk away. He's what I want from Batman in cinema right now.

Same here. I hate to admit, but had Affleck left prematurely, my interest in the entire DCEU would suddenly plummet. If he were to be done with Batman, I'd rather if it's the end of the series, or giving the character a proper send-off.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Tue, 27 Jun 2017, 12:33
Completely agree. I like stability in franchises and I think Affleck staying the course is good for the brand. When you know someone is locked into a role it actually helps your fandom in a big way. You can really get on board with them, relax and enjoy the ride that's to come. That's how I feel anyway. It's like how the Bond franchise is in limbo right now because they're unsure if Daniel Craig will come back. Your enjoyment of the franchise as a whole can't help but be impacted in some way.

Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Travesty on Tue, 27 Jun 2017, 18:48
More from Matt Reeves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx5uO-DLBDs
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Wed, 28 Jun 2017, 01:15
A point of view noir detective style Batman film?

That's basically exactly what I wanted to hear.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: thecolorsblend on Wed, 28 Jun 2017, 01:21
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 28 Jun  2017, 01:15A point of view noir detective style Batman film?

That's basically exactly what I wanted to hear.
I'm still waiting for the "Batman is gonna beat the snot out of a lot of people with his bare hands and we'll capture it in borderline-pornographic detail" interview. But it's a long while yet until the movie comes out. And I'm nothing if not patient.

Just ask Catwoman if you don't believe me.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Wed, 28 Jun 2017, 01:34
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Wed, 28 Jun  2017, 01:21
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 28 Jun  2017, 01:15A point of view noir detective style Batman film?

That's basically exactly what I wanted to hear.
I'm still waiting for the "Batman is gonna beat the snot out of a lot of people with his bare hands and we'll capture it in borderline-pornographic detail" interview. But it's a long while yet until the movie comes out. And I'm nothing if not patient.

Just ask Catwoman if you don't believe me.
Judging by the way Batfleck beat the snot out of Superman and those warehouse goons, I'd say you'll get your wish.

The scenes I cherish are usually the small things. Such as Bruce being in the bat cave researching a case, building a weapon or working out. And we'll get more of that as soon as Justice League. Who doesn't get excited when they see this?

(https://img.purch.com/o/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5uZXdzYXJhbWEuY29tL2ltYWdlcy9pLzAwMC8xODAvODMyL2kwMi9qdXN0aWNlbGVhZ3Vlc2l6emxlcmVlbC5qcGc=)

I like how Burton and Schumacher gave us different bat cave aesthetics, but I have to admit it's going to be good establishing the same BvS aesthetic throughout Batfleck's tenure. The abandoned Manor and lakeside glasshouse is a departure from the comics but I really like it.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: GoNerdYourself on Wed, 28 Jun 2017, 01:46
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 27 Jun  2017, 00:39
Quote from: Travesty on Mon, 26 Jun  2017, 18:36
Oh, and Matt Reeves confirms Affleck will be in the Batman solo movie.

http://batman-news.com/2017/06/26/matt-reeves-ben-affleck-the-batman/ (http://"http://batman-news.com/2017/06/26/matt-reeves-ben-affleck-the-batman/")
I had faith he'd return despite all of the hysteria. But it's REALLY good to have it confirmed by the director.

I personally believe the whole "Affleck might not come back" thing was just people trying to stir the pot for attention and clicks based on personal theories and not hard facts. I see that all the time with movie blogger types.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Silver Nemesis on Wed, 5 Jul 2017, 21:20
Some interesting quotes from Matt Reeves regarding Nolan's influence on The Batman:

Quote"What I love that [Nolan] did was that he took the genre seriously. What studios are willing to make at the moment is a very, very narrow band of films. What I discovered is that this genre has the potential to be about something more. You can use the metaphors of the genre to talk about [a lot]. I think the other thing that I really admire in what [Nolan] did was knowing what it is to make a big studio film, which often can fall into that sense of committee filmmaking where there's an anonymity to the point of view of the film."

The bit in bold about committee filmmaking is what some of us were recently discussing. The fact Reeves is aware of this problem is very encouraging.

Quote"What I admire in what [Nolan] does is that, despite being a filmmaker in an enormous system, his perspective comes through. That to me was very exciting, it's always exciting when you see a film of his because of that. That's what I feel like I've been trying to do, it's trying to allow a perspective to come through despite the fact that we're in this very large studio movie world."
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman/the-batman-director-matt-reeves-explains-how-hes-being-inspired-by-the-dark-knights-christopher-nolan-a152210

Reeves did an outstanding job on Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, and I'm looking forward to seeing how War for the Planet of the Apes turns out. Of course he's not the first Batman director to helm a Planet of the Apes movie.

(https://i0.wp.com/media2.slashfilm.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/ZZ6E1D536A.jpg)

I hope he transitions from one franchise to the other more successfully than Burton did.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: johnnygobbs on Wed, 5 Jul 2017, 23:11
It's a shame that Reeves only talked about Nolan's work though, and didn't have anything to say about Burton's Batman films.  As much as I admire Reeves and like the direction he seems to be taking The Batman, I do sense a slight sniffiness towards the Burton Batman films from some of his fellow moviemakers and that really bugs me.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Travesty on Wed, 5 Jul 2017, 23:18
Matt Reeves talked a little bit about a trilogy. Anything could change, but man, would it be cool to get another trilogy by one director. He was talking about Nolan's trilogy, and then he says this: "I have ideas about an arc, but really, the important thing is just to start... you have to start with one...and I would say that that more relates to the way that I see a Batman story, is a kind of ambition for a series of stories". I gotta say, the things he's been saying have me pumped. I can't wait to know what villain he'll use.


http://screenrant.com/the-batman-matt-reeves-director-trilogy-arc/ (http://screenrant.com/the-batman-matt-reeves-director-trilogy-arc/)
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 6 Jul 2017, 05:02
Quote from: Travesty on Wed,  5 Jul  2017, 23:18
I gotta say, the things he's been saying have me pumped.
The feeling is mutual. A trilogy would be a dream come true, and honestly, I think it will probably happen.

Let's look at Reeves' schedule for the Apes films:

Rise of the Planet of the Apes (2011)
Dawn on the Planet of the Apes (2014)
War for the Planet of the Apes (2017)

Those films are spaced out rather well to accommodate the actors and the audience.

I wouldn't be as excited about this is Affleck vacated the role though. But I don't think he will. I wish I could meet the guy in person to say how much the fans like myself love him in this role. I think JL will be received rather well by audiences, and the solo Batman film will double down on that goodwill. Give the first solo film your all and build from there.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: GoNerdYourself on Fri, 7 Jul 2017, 16:09
Reeves actually didn't direct Rise of the Planet of the Apes. That was Rupert Wyatt.
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Sat, 15 Jul 2017, 02:53
Matt Reeves has confirmed he's rewriting the script from scratch.

Source: http://variety.com/2017/film/news/matt-reeves-throws-out-script-the-batman-1202494888/
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Travesty on Fri, 21 Jul 2017, 18:46
New rumor, and right before the JL panel at Comic Con.

QuoteBen Affleck's Batman Future in Doubt as Warner Bros. Plots Franchise
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/ben-afflecks-batman-future-doubt-as-warner-bros-plots-franchise-future-1023296 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/ben-afflecks-batman-future-doubt-as-warner-bros-plots-franchise-future-1023296)
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Laughing Fish on Fri, 21 Jul 2017, 23:20
Of course they would start this rumour right before the Comic-Con appearance. Got to keep up with any negative clickbait attention about DC to earn extra cash, eh?

Hollywood Reporter has now joined the heap of clickbait-infested corpses I leave behind rotting.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 22 Jul 2017, 01:24
Let's have a look at what this article states.
QuoteThe studio is working on plans to usher out Affleck's Batman gracefully, a source says, addressing the change in some shape or form in one of the upcoming DC films.
Okay. But then it goes on to state:
QuoteHowever, the studio's current line is Affleck is still all-in, with studio chief Toby Emmerich saying, "Ben is our Batman. We love him as Batman. We want to keep him in the cowl as long as we can.
So which one is it?

I don't think it's a mistake they added this little gem:
QuoteExactly when and how that might happen has yet to be determined, but it would be wise to bet against Affleck starring in The Batman.
Yeah, because this all might turn out to be false, right?

The rest of the article is pure conjecture, talking about ageism and creating dual Batmen.

Let's see what happens.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Travesty on Sat, 22 Jul 2017, 16:55
Oh, I'm definitely in a "wait and see" approach, as this has been a rumor going around for a solid 6-8 months, now.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Travesty on Sat, 22 Jul 2017, 20:59
Well, looks like Affleck himself squashed the rumors. From what he said, it looks like he loves playing Batman, and wants to continue under Matt Reeves.

QuoteThe move came a day after The Hollywood Reporter revealed that the studio was exploring options to potentially set the stage for a Batman recasting.

"Let me be very clear," Affleck said Saturday during Warner Bros.' Comic-Con panel, "I am the luckiest guy in the world. Batman is the coolest part in the universe. I'm so thrilled to do it. It's f***ing amazing."

He said that after two film appearances as Batman, he still can't believe he gets to play the part and underlined that he has talked to Warners' heads Kevin Tsujihara, Sue Kroll and Toby Emmerich about the role.

"'We want you to be the Batman' they told me, and I believe them," he said.

He then brought up Matt Reeves' movie in development and exclaimed, "I would be an ape on the ground for Matt Reeves!"

Later in the presentation, he reiterated that he loves "being in Hall H and being able to say 'I'm Batman.'"

The crowd cheered at his soothing words, although it remains unclear in what direction Reeves' Batman will ultimately go.

Reeves is set to direct The Batman and has eyes on making a trilogy with the character. Reeves has dropped a script by Affleck and Geoff Johns, and Affleck once was attached to direct himself.

No release date has been set for The Batman. Justice League opens Nov. 17.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/ben-affleck-denies-hes-exiting-as-batman-at-comic-con-1023603 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/ben-affleck-denies-hes-exiting-as-batman-at-comic-con-1023603)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnREl3UKG0Y
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Sun, 23 Jul 2017, 09:04
Quote from: Travesty on Sat, 22 Jul  2017, 20:59
Well, looks like Affleck himself squashed the rumors. From what he said, it looks like he loves playing Batman, and wants to continue under Matt Reeves.

Cool. But don't expect the clickbait trash to put that rumour out to pasture. Especially those hacks from Collider.

I can't help but suspect there is this agenda to try to drive Affleck out of the franchise.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 23 Jul 2017, 12:11
I'm going to channel The Fleck for a moment and say it's f***ing good to hear this. If there's any truth whatsoever to the rumors in the first place it's probably regarding money. Matt Reeves played a smart game in regards to his contract negotiations. To raise your price you have to be willing to walk away because you don't want to seem desperate. It's business 101. What I'm liking about the DCEU so far is the continuity. If they can avoid recasting issues, ala Katie Holmes vacating her role after BB, the better everything will be.
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Post by: riddler on Mon, 24 Jul 2017, 13:58
Honestly after reading all the false rumours about Wonder woman and Batman v Superman, I'm not taking any stock into any rumours I hear about the DCEU until considering the source. Maybe there is something going on behind the scenes that we don't know but Affleck and Reeves are both publicly praising each other in public and that's good enough for me. Do you think Affleck would be saying what he just said there if he figured this might be his last turn with the cowl? He'd look like a fool and he knows it.
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Post by: johnnygobbs on Mon, 24 Jul 2017, 17:48
There were so many great announcements at the MCU, including Michelle Pfeiffer being revealed as Janet Van Dyne, and the awesome new trailers for Thor: Ragnarok and Justice League.  But perhaps the best news was the confirmation that Affleck will be staying as Batman for Matt Reeves' proposed The Batman trilogy. :)  I feel that Affleck has the potential to be the best Batman/Bruce Wayne ever (he certainly comes the closest of any of the Batman actors since Adam West to looking the part).  Now he just needs a film that lives up to that promise (and please take note, I'm not dissing Batman v Superman, which I think is perfectly fine and far better than the majority of the critics said but just not the classic I think Affleck and Reeves can potentially deliver).
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Wed, 26 Jul 2017, 11:02
It's a slow day for fake news today, so here is Kevin Conroy praising Ben Affleck's portrayal, when asked about what he thought about the live-action franchise in an interview.

Quote from: Kevin Conroy
You know, I thought it was weird when Warner Bros. didn't give the franchise to one actor when they first started doing the films. You just assumed they were going to cast a Batman and he was going to carry the whole franchise. But then when I saw the different ones — Michael Keaton and Val Kilmer, [George Clooney], and Christian Bale — all the different takes, this was really smart, because each actor does it so differently. And I love seeing all the different takes. I think some of them get Bruce Wayne more than they get Batman, and some of them get Batman more than they get Bruce Wayne. I think Ben Affleck has probably gotten the best balance of the two. He's a really good Bruce Wayne and a really good Batman.

Source: http://batman-news.com/2017/07/25/kevin-conroy-ben-affleck-best-batman-bruce-wayne/
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Wed, 26 Jul 2017, 12:40
Quote from: Kevin Conroy
I think Ben Affleck has probably gotten the best balance of the two. He's a really good Bruce Wayne and a really good Batman.

Completely agree.

Is he believable as a crimefighter? Yes.
Is he believable as a playboy? Yes.
Is he believable as a businessman? Yes.

I think he's the culmination of all the recent Batmen's best traits. He has Keaton's introspection for his parents, Kilmer's ability to realize vengeance has consumed him, Clooney's reputation as a playboy and Bale's muscular body. I also like that Bruce Wayne is once again a well respected community member, ala the Adam West days. He's not thought of as a weirdo, ala Keaton. He's not thought of as a clueless rich dude who does nothing all day.

Those are both completely valid takes, but I prefer it this way.
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Post by: riddler on Fri, 28 Jul 2017, 05:42
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 26 Jul  2017, 12:40
Quote from: Kevin Conroy
I think Ben Affleck has probably gotten the best balance of the two. He's a really good Bruce Wayne and a really good Batman.

Completely agree.

Is he believable as a crimefighter? Yes.
Is he believable as a playboy? Yes.
Is he believable as a businessman? Yes.

I think he's the culmination of all the recent Batmen's best traits. He has Keaton's introspection for his parents, Kilmer's ability to realize vengeance has consumed him, Clooney's reputation as a playboy and Bale's muscular body. I also like that Bruce Wayne is once again a well respected community member, ala the Adam West days. He's not thought of as a weirdo, ala Keaton. He's not thought of as a clueless rich dude who does nothing all day.

Those are both completely valid takes, but I prefer it this way.

I do agree. one difficult aspect of the character I don't think any of the films except possibly Batman & Robin got quite right was exactly how Bruce Wayne acts in order to deter suspicions of his dual identity Keatons character was a little too reclusive and private to the point that it wouldn't have been surprising to find out his identity given just how private and odd he is. Kilmer is  tough to judge because his character was considering retiring as Batman. Bale went too far acting like a ditz, his Bruce Wayne goes from rather industrious and innovative in BB, sleeping through business meetings in TDK, and a complete idiot in TDK. Affleck gets it just right. He acts a little bit aloof when he needs to at Luthors party while he's doing his detective work but in a subtle way.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 28 Jul 2017, 07:12
Quote from: riddler on Fri, 28 Jul  2017, 05:42
I do agree. one difficult aspect of the character I don't think any of the films except possibly Batman & Robin got quite right was exactly how Bruce Wayne acts in order to deter suspicions of his dual identity Keatons character was a little too reclusive and private to the point that it wouldn't have been surprising to find out his identity given just how private and odd he is. Kilmer is  tough to judge because his character was considering retiring as Batman. Bale went too far acting like a ditz, his Bruce Wayne goes from rather industrious and innovative in BB, sleeping through business meetings in TDK, and a complete idiot in TDK. Affleck gets it just right. He acts a little bit aloof when he needs to at Luthors party while he's doing his detective work but in a subtle way.
Yep. The answer to the question of 'what does Bruce Wayne do all day?' is simple. He runs his company. I'd like to see this more.
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Post by: GoNerdYourself on Mon, 31 Jul 2017, 22:53
I think Affleck is a great Batman and, personally, these rumors don't hold much weight for me. A lot of it is either pure conjecture worded as fact or people passing and subsequently  feeding the rumor based off "Yeah, I can see that happening." That's not fact and a considerable amount of rumors from "prominent sources" end up being false.

I hate the fact that people keep mentioning his age, as if that matters.
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Post by: Travesty on Wed, 23 Aug 2017, 19:20
Apparently Reeves said this was a standalone movie, and not part of the extended universe. Not sure if he means like how WW was a standalone, or if this is a completely different Batman, but he said it on a podcast. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Post by: GoNerdYourself on Wed, 23 Aug 2017, 19:49
Quote from: Travesty on Wed, 23 Aug  2017, 19:20
Apparently Reeves said this was a standalone movie, and not part of the extended universe. Not sure if he means like how WW was a standalone, or if this is a completely different Batman, but he said it on a podcast. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

In all probability, the movie IS a part of the DCEU, but is a standalone film without cameos from Superman,, Aquaman, etc.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Wed, 23 Aug 2017, 22:15
I don't see how this movie could be a standalone no matter who the director is. I can't picture WB going back to their old "Everything is separate from everything else" model any time soon, especially not after the success the DCEU has had so far. What I took from his comment was that the movie itself wouldn't necessarily be part of a larger story. It would simply be a Batman movie in its own right.
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Post by: riddler on Thu, 24 Aug 2017, 15:32
Even Man of Steel which was originally conceived as a self-contained film had references to LexCorp and Wayne Enterprises.  I suspect the film will be stand alone in the sense that viewers wont need to see the previous films first and there may not be cameos from other characters in the film itself but with credit scenes featuring easter eggs.
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Post by: Travesty on Thu, 24 Aug 2017, 16:38
Yeah, but I would consider MOS to be a standalone movie. But again, I don't know exactly what he means by this? It sounds like he means a new Batman outside of the DCEU, but it could also mean something like WW and MOS....I just don't know? And right now, I don't even need to think about it too much, because we won't hear anything until after JL. They're not going to tell us if Affleck is out before that movie comes out, so I'll just wait and see.

Either way, Matt reeves is directing, so I'm excited about it regardless.
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Post by: Travesty on Thu, 24 Aug 2017, 19:04
Ok, sorry for the constant updates, but Matt Reeves took to twitter to clarify. He said the movie will still be in the DCEU, but it will be a standalone with no cameos of other characters in the Universe. So no Superman or WW cameos. This is exactly what he said, and you can even see them on his twitter:


Quote
In my comments from a while back about not being part of the DCEU, I was talking about The Batman being a story specifically about Batman...not about the others in the Universe. That it wouldn't be filled with cameos servicing other stories -- that it would be a BATMAN story.
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Post by: GoNerdYourself on Thu, 24 Aug 2017, 20:36
Quote from: Travesty on Thu, 24 Aug  2017, 19:04
Ok, sorry for the constant updates, but Matt Reeves took to twitter to clarify. He said the movie will still be in the DCEU, but it will be a standalone with no cameos of other characters in the Universe. So no Superman or WW cameos. This is exactly what he said, and you can even see them on his twitter:


Quote
In my comments from a while back about not being part of the DCEU, I was talking about The Batman being a story specifically about Batman...not about the others in the Universe. That it wouldn't be filled with cameos servicing other stories -- that it would be a BATMAN story.

This was the likeliest of scenarios. I really don't see WB wanting to make a movie without DCEU's Batman.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 24 Aug 2017, 23:40
Good to have that clarified. Ben as Batman inside the DCEU is what we want. I wouldn't be surprised if the Elseworlds rumor is largely a nothing burger with people jumping to conclusions, just like this instance. Even if the Joker film is going ahead, I don't see it impacting upon what the DCEU is doing with Affleck, Leto, etc. I think everything is going to be fine. We just need to chill. In the meantime, I'm excited for JL.
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Post by: riddler on Fri, 25 Aug 2017, 02:50
It's good to see. Both Marvel and DC have to be careful, too much crossing over gives the notion that these characters can't stand on their own two feet.

I wonder if this will be a live action version of Arkham Asylum? The challenge with a stand alone film is that they need to give Batman a battle to fight worthy of telling on the big screen yet one with a valid reason why the rest of the justice league isn't showing up to help Batman.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Fri, 25 Aug 2017, 02:55
Marvel has pretty much run the idea of a crossover into the ground. The first Avengers worked in part due to novelty. But simply seeing these characters hang around each other isn't as big a selling point anymore.

Looks like someone from WB is taking notes on that.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Fri, 25 Aug 2017, 18:11
Quote from: Travesty on Thu, 24 Aug  2017, 19:04
Ok, sorry for the constant updates, but Matt Reeves took to twitter to clarify. He said the movie will still be in the DCEU, but it will be a standalone with no cameos of other characters in the Universe. So no Superman or WW cameos. This is exactly what he said, and you can even see them on his twitter:


Quote
In my comments from a while back about not being part of the DCEU, I was talking about The Batman being a story specifically about Batman...not about the others in the Universe. That it wouldn't be filled with cameos servicing other stories -- that it would be a BATMAN story.

^ Further proof that Reeves is the right man for the job.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 26 Aug 2017, 03:16
The Man of Steel and Wonder Woman treatment of keeping other characters out of the picture is the best way to go. We go to solo films to primarily see that character. I wouldn't have a problem with say, Superman appearing in Shazam, because let's face it, Shazam isn't the most known or loved character. But for a character like Batman, let him have the screen all to himself.
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Sat, 26 Aug 2017, 12:13
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 24 Aug  2017, 23:40
Good to have that clarified. Ben as Batman inside the DCEU is what we want. I wouldn't be surprised if the Elseworlds rumor is largely a nothing burger with people jumping to conclusions, just like this instance. Even if the Joker film is going ahead, I don't see it impacting upon what the DCEU is doing with Affleck, Leto, etc. I think everything is going to be fine. We just need to chill. In the meantime, I'm excited for JL.

You know, the phrase "don't believe everything you hear" was spoken many times in life. But never has it been more relevant when Bruce uttered that line to Clark regarding the media speculation about Batman.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Sat, 26 Aug 2017, 13:54
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 26 Aug  2017, 03:16
The Man of Steel and Wonder Woman treatment of keeping other characters out of the picture is the best way to go.

Agreed.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 26 Aug  2017, 03:16We go to solo films to primarily see that character. I wouldn't have a problem with say, Superman appearing in Shazam, because let's face it, Shazam isn't the most known or loved character. But for a character like Batman, let him have the screen all to himself.

I hope Superman doesn't appear in the Shazam film. Captain Marvel has jobbed for Superman far too often over the years, just like Superman has jobbed for Batman way too many times. If they put Supes in the Shazam film it'll likely result in them fighting. If Captain Marvel loses, it'll perpetuate the sorry tradition of Superman owning him. If Superman loses, it'll mark the second time a DCEU hero has kicked his backside. I don't want either of these characters to become a punching bag for other heroes to prove their mettle.

Now if they had them team up as equals, that wouldn't be so bad. But I'd really prefer they just made Shazam and Man of Steel 2 as separate standalone films.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 26 Aug 2017, 22:33
Aquaman is the only DCEU film out next year. And that's right at the end of 2018. Shazam will be out the following year. In terms of maintaining interest in the public, I think a Superman appearance would be a good idea. It will have been two straight years after Justice League. That's quite a long time when it comes to shared universes. Unless they get to work on JL2, Man of Steel 2 or some other film relatively soon during that timeframe.
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Sun, 27 Aug 2017, 06:09
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 26 Aug  2017, 22:33
Aquaman is the only DCEU film out next year. And that's right at the end of 2018. Shazam will be out the following year.

I'm fine with the new Batman being a standalone like MOS and WW too. As long as Matt Reeves goes for a detective noir narrative as he promises, I'm keen. The only negative is it's a little unfortunate that the film will now likely come out in 2019 because of script rewrites.

But then again, a part of me is glad that's the case because there are simply way too many films coming out nowadays. The MCU is certainly more guilty of this with releasing THREE movies per year. That's too much, and to think I thought two was a lot! Once you start deliver to an assembly of films and focus on quantity rather than quality, your product will diminish. And in my opinion, that's has been the biggest problem with the MCU this year. So maybe those who are running the DCEU have learned the lesson that it's better to focus your energy on delivering one quality film, if Aquaman remains the only one coming out next year.
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Post by: Travesty on Mon, 13 Nov 2017, 19:19
From recent USA Today article

QuoteThe new Batman movie being developed by Matt Reeves (War for the Planet of the Apes) is "something I'm contemplating," says Affleck, who originally was tapped to direct. "You don't do it forever, so I want to find a graceful and cool way to segue out of it."


Sounds like he really wants out.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Mon, 13 Nov 2017, 19:39
Quote from: Travesty on Mon, 13 Nov  2017, 19:19
From recent USA Today article

QuoteThe new Batman movie being developed by Matt Reeves (War for the Planet of the Apes) is "something I'm contemplating," says Affleck, who originally was tapped to direct. "You don't do it forever, so I want to find a graceful and cool way to segue out of it."


Sounds like he really wants out.
Today just keeps getting better and better...
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Tue, 14 Nov 2017, 01:07
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Mon, 13 Nov  2017, 19:39
Quote from: Travesty on Mon, 13 Nov  2017, 19:19
From recent USA Today article

QuoteThe new Batman movie being developed by Matt Reeves (War for the Planet of the Apes) is "something I'm contemplating," says Affleck, who originally was tapped to direct. "You don't do it forever, so I want to find a graceful and cool way to segue out of it."


Sounds like he really wants out.
Today just keeps getting better and better...
My intuition tells me he wants to retreat from public life for a good while, even from films, because of the Weinstein saga and the allegations against him. Possibly mixed in with nerves about the film possibly not being well received. Check out his body language and facial expressions during the press tour. He looks self conscious to me - like everybody is looking at him. Tiger Woods went the same way. There's a film to promote. He has to be somewhat upbeat because this...but I'd say it's forced. These people lose their confidence.
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Tue, 14 Nov 2017, 03:10
This is apparently the full context of what he said:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOhws1fVQAI1yEI?format=jpg)

For all we now, this could be just leverage to negotiate with a new contract with WB. Didn't Matt Reeves do aonething similar, or is my memory deceiving me?

I don't know. If he were to suddenly leave, that would only reflect poorly on his part after months of confirming his commitment. All I know is, gabage collectors like Collider would have a field day speculating this.
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Post by: GoNerdYourself on Tue, 14 Nov 2017, 15:41
Quote from: Travesty on Mon, 13 Nov  2017, 19:19
From recent USA Today article

QuoteThe new Batman movie being developed by Matt Reeves (War for the Planet of the Apes) is "something I'm contemplating," says Affleck, who originally was tapped to direct. "You don't do it forever, so I want to find a graceful and cool way to segue out of it."


Sounds like he really wants out.

Argh... I really like Ben as Batman and I hope he stays in the role for a little while longer, but if it is his wish to leave, it is what it is. It would just be nice to see Batmen, particularly the good ones, stick around for more than 2 to 3 major outings, not counting cameos. 

I know these films, being on hot set with a heavy suit, having to run this way and hop that way, aren't easy to make even with a stunt double doing the heavy lifting. I'm sure these actors know what they are getting into when they sign up and I'm sure it's not the main factor in deciding to leave the role, but I also don't see that keeping them there when the style has changed, the contract has run out, and the films are no longer living up to the ideas they signed up for, possibly with a significant drop in quality. And then there are the reasons The Dark Knight mentioned above.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Wed, 15 Nov 2017, 00:04
Quote from: GoNerdYourself on Tue, 14 Nov  2017, 15:41
And then there are the reasons The Dark Knight mentioned above.
Yep.

Y'all know I'm a big supporter of Batfleck. So my opinions here shouldn't be interpreted as malicious. I hope he stays in the role for a while longer because I think he's doing a great job. But this is what I think....people can take or leave my opinions, I'm just putting them out there. If I had to guess right now, I'd say he'll probably end up doing The Batman (which is a couple of years from now), with Flashpoint used as the explanation for a new actor.
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Post by: Travesty on Wed, 15 Nov 2017, 00:08
If Matt Reeves is doing a trilogy, which is rumored, I would just want Affleck to leave, so we can get a more consistent trilogy.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Wed, 15 Nov 2017, 10:22
We'll just have to see what happens. I'm guessing a lot of the future plans depend on JL. In any case, my focus is on the here and now. Once I see the film I'll write down my thoughts. Critics can say whatever they want, good or bad. In my experience they're unreliable. I'll never forget the first time I saw BvS. That film got SAVAGED and I walked in expecting a trainwreck. I walked out completely satisfied. Tune out the noise and focus on your own experience.
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Post by: The Joker on Thu, 16 Nov 2017, 00:19
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 15 Nov  2017, 00:04
Y'all know I'm a big supporter of Batfleck. So my opinions here shouldn't be interpreted as malicious. I hope he stays in the role for a while longer because I think he's doing a great job. But this is what I think....people can take or leave my opinions, I'm just putting them out there. If I had to guess right now, I'd say he'll probably end up doing The Batman (which is a couple of years from now), with Flashpoint used as the explanation for a new actor.

This sounds extremely plausible to me. I too believe Affleck will atleast continue on with THE BATMAN. After that, I could see him bowing out. Flashpoint would be the opportunity to change things. Similar to how Flashpoint in DC Comics was the open door for the New 52, where history was altered, and most, if not all, the major superheroes were now suddenly younger than their Pre-Flashpoint counterparts. I remember in the Lois & Clark mini-series where it was revealed that the Post-Crisis/Pre-Flashpoint Superman was living in the New52 Universe, Superman observing the New52 Batman (whom he assumed was an alternate Batman at the time), and telling Lois that he was younger, and even faster than the Bruce he knew, with Lois remarking that she found that almost hard to believe. With the DCEU, this really isn't a issue outside of Affleck. Who is obviously the senior member, and one with decades of experience under his utility belt.

Personally, I really don't want to see him go because I like him in the role, but if that's his decision, then yeah, Flashpoint would be the more sensible time to make the change. Course we may be getting multiple Batmen anyways if that DCEU plan to do stand alone one-shot movies like The Joker origin movie goes thru.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Thu, 16 Nov 2017, 03:34
The way things are shaping up, Flashpoint is the DCEU's next "last chance to get it right".

The day will come when every DCEU movie is a come-back.
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Post by: Travesty on Thu, 16 Nov 2017, 17:34
Sooooo, rumors are that Jake Gyllenahaal is being looked at for Batman in Matt Reeves' movie.

I don't know? I love Gyllenhaal, I think he's a great actor, but not sure if he would be a good Batman. I'm sure he could pull off the Bruce Wayne persona, but not sure about Batman. But who knows, it's just a rumor right now.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Thu, 16 Nov 2017, 22:19
There's always a rumor. And the fact is that whoever starts these rumors has a major league boner to get Jake Gyllenhaal into some kind of comic book movie because his name always seems to pop up. It's like he's the new Jim Caviezel or something. There was a point when any time a comic book movie was announced, rumors always followed that Caviezel was "in the running". When Superman Returns was first announced, it was "rumored" that Caviezel would play Superman. When MOS was announced, it was again "rumored" that Caviezel would play Jor-El. Obviously those things never happened.

As to the Jake Gyllenhaal thing... actually, in this case I might find it easy to believe. Reeves is already known to be retooling his script from page one. It's only a few extra paragraphs of text on the screen to make The Batman either a prequel or a reboot or something.

Honestly, the great majority of my personal investment in the DCEU at this exact moment is Affleck. If he drops out... yeah, I don't love my chances of sticking around either.

In other words, the Jake Gyllenhaal rumor might actually be right for once.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 16 Nov 2017, 23:11
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 16 Nov  2017, 22:19
Honestly, the great majority of my personal investment in the DCEU at this exact moment is Affleck. If he drops out... yeah, I don't love my chances of sticking around either.
Think about this from Affleck's point of view. Is it fun to star in films that always get critically smashed while his past misdeeds are also front and centre? Is he really going to keep this cycle going? I wouldn't be surprised if he walks for these reasons, and with him will go my enthusiasm for the brand.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Fri, 17 Nov 2017, 00:34
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 16 Nov  2017, 23:11Think about this from Affleck's point of view. Is it fun to star in films that always get critically smashed while his past misdeeds are also front and centre? Is he really going to keep this cycle going? I wouldn't be surprised if he walks for these reasons, and with him will go my enthusiasm for the brand.
I totally understand the reasoning. Hey, that's the main reason I'd never want to be famous. Because who needs the grief, you know? I would've cashed out ages ago. There's no amount of money in the world for me to put up with celebrity life. Once I made a big enough nut, I would've quietly packed up and moved into the mountains or something.

But this is the same guy who survived Bennifer. He could do no right for about six or seven years there. If goings on with Batman and the DCEU is the worst thing that ever happens to Affleck, he just might live forever.

Like I say, I get it. And I even sympathize. Allz I'm saying is if he's out, I probably will be too. For the first time in decades, Batman on the big screen is something I'm eagerly looking forward to. He's a major part of that. Subtracting him from the equation might be a deal-breaker, at least for me.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 17 Nov 2017, 00:46
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Fri, 17 Nov  2017, 00:34
Like I say, I get it. And I even sympathize. Allz I'm saying is if he's out, I probably will be too. For the first time in decades, Batman on the big screen is something I'm eagerly looking forward to. He's a major part of that. Subtracting him from the equation might be a deal-breaker, at least for me.
I like familiarity with actors in roles. We've gotten used to Affleck now, so it'd be a real shame if he leaves.

I think Snyder showed WB a cut of the film and they got cold feet with certain aspects. Thus they agreed to a bunch of new scenes for Superman which Whedon then filmed. I think the movie is okay (and I'll be seeing it again on the weekend), but feel like it's going to be another case of 'wait for the extended cut for the better version'. I'd rate the films like this:

Batman v Superman
Man of Steel
Wonder Woman
Justice League
Suicide Squad
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Laughing Fish on Sat, 18 Nov 2017, 08:03
I'm not believing in any rumours until Affleck himself confirms his desire to leave, assuming if he wants to.

But if that is the case, it would be a huge PR disaster, in my opinion. It's bad enough that all of this "will he or won't he" garbage is making fans nervous, but the thought of him leaving after many taking a liking to his portrayal thus far would only signal a death knell for this franchise. At least from me. I have no desire for a recast, we already had that in the 90s when Keaton left, and whether or not you or me can accept the Schumacher films, there's no denying the franchise went south nonetheless.

If Affleck has no other good reason to leave other than getting upset by the critics, no matter how agenda-driven, hypocritical and even slanderous they are, then he's a precious snowflake and my respect for him would go down faster than flushing the toilet. I know it sounds harsh, but that scenario to me is like admitting defeat. f*** THAT.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: riddler on Sat, 18 Nov 2017, 15:39
Ever since Gylenhall was in the running to  replace Tobey Maguire when his participation in Spider-man 2 was in doubt, his name seems to get thrown around every comic movie. It's not even when a role opens up, seems half the rumours of actors leaving the MCU/DCEU end with 'to be replaced by Jake Gylenhall', before this he was rumoured to take over Tony Stark from RDJ.

Unlike two-face's coin, this reality has two sides to it. On one hand Ben has to deal with critics hell bent on labeling his films as a mess when they come out but conversely the overall fan reaction towards his portrayal has been positive. I really hope WB doesn't win this stupid fight.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: thecolorsblend on Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 05:42
Quote from: riddler on Sat, 18 Nov  2017, 15:39Unlike two-face's coin, this reality has two sides to it. On one hand Ben has to deal with critics hell bent on labeling his films as a mess when they come out but conversely the overall fan reaction towards his portrayal has been positive. I really hope WB doesn't win this stupid fight.
Sometimes I can't help thinking that "the fans" deserve a kick in the nuts and no new DC movies for the rest of their burger-flipping, basement-dwelling, anime-masturbating, childless lives.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Azrael on Sun, 18 Feb 2018, 16:54
Now this might seem very silly considering the current situation and status of the DCEU, but well...

The thing I will really hate about the new Batman movie will be for it to be visually boring, and Gotham without atmosphere. I don't have any special preference about what the plot should be, which villain(s) Batman has to fight, or if it needs a strong detective element. Just have a good story and a good villain with clever casting. I'm all about visuals and atmosphere. The lack of these is what I really hate about the Nolaniad.

I think there can be a balance between Burton's stylized (but stage-looking) city and what the wider public seems to prefer (judging by the success of the Nolaniad) i.e. something that feels more "real" (mundane, BORING). The Arkham games have a good balance - the Arkham building looks like a steampunk chateau, the city looks appropriately Gothic and Art Deco, but it still feels like a city and not a stage. I'd love to see something like that in live action.

If the "keep it real" mentality persists and Gotham is just some locations in an American or Canadian city the filmakers found convenient and overall the movie looks like a standard action/crime movie, well... all the best, auf wiedersehen.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Travesty on Sun, 18 Feb 2018, 17:06
Sure, it's something I've been talking about for many years. I loved what Nolan did in BB, but after that, his Gotham felt a bit too pristine. I used to live in Chicago for 5 years, and I thought it was a pretty clean looking city for the most part, but Nolan somehow made it look even cleaner than it already was. Which is the opposite of what I think of when I picture Gotham in my head. It doesn't need to be too dramatic, like what we saw with Burton, but it doesn't need to be a cleaner version of an established city. I heard the TV show Gotham looks good, although, I've only seen the first 3 episodes, and I stopped watching, so I never got a feel for it. But I've heard it has a pretty good atmosphere to it.

But overall, I agree. I do hope that we get back to Gotham having an atmosphere to it, that feels original, and not too realistic.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Azrael on Sun, 18 Feb 2018, 17:30
Quote from: Travesty on Sun, 18 Feb  2018, 17:06
Sure, it's something I've been talking about for many years. I loved what Nolan did in BB, but after that, his Gotham felt a bit too pristine. I used to live in Chicago for 5 years, and I thought it was a pretty clean looking city for the most part, but Nolan somehow made it look even cleaner than it already was. Which is the opposite of what I think of when I picture Gotham in my head. It doesn't need to be too dramatic, like what we saw with Burton, but it doesn't need to be a cleaner version of an established city. I heard the TV show Gotham looks good, although, I've only seen the first 3 episodes, and I stopped watching, so I never got a feel for it. But I've heard it has a pretty good atmosphere to it.

But overall, I agree. I do hope that we get back to Gotham having an atmosphere to it, that feels original, and not too realistic.

That's the best thing about it. The atmosphere, the mixed-era (there's CRT TVs and audio casettes co-existing with modern mobile phones) and the actors. The writing is all over the place, even if judging the writing is not one's expertise (it's not mine anyway), but what holds it together are some very strong performances by the leads (esp. Gordon, Bullock, The Penguin, The Riddler) and the visuals. In places it's almost like a tribute to Burton's two films and Batman Forever. It's no wonder they used the same exterior location from Batman Forever as Wayne manor, they did a direct reference to Selina's fall, or they cast Paul Reubens as the Penguin's father.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: riddler on Sun, 18 Feb 2018, 19:53
I think what Nolan was trying to do with Gotham is show the impact of batman.

In begins we got a heavily corrupt and dangerous city.
In the dark knight is is still dangerous but less pristine.
For the most part of Rises, Gotham is clean and proper due to the events of the Dent Act and Batman.

That being said I didn't feel this was vintage Gotham being portrayed. It felt more like Batman in Chicago and Pittsburgh instead of Gotham.

Definitely the Arkham games have the best style, this is the consensus among fans. It should be more grounded than Batman and Robin but I hope they aren't afraid to take some liberties.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Travesty on Sun, 18 Feb 2018, 20:51
I actually thought TDK's Gotham looked the cleanest. BB was definitely the most rundown looking, but TDKR looked a bit more drab than TDK, IMO.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Mon, 19 Feb 2018, 05:28
Quote from: Azrael on Sun, 18 Feb  2018, 16:54
The thing I will really hate about the new Batman movie will be for it to be visually boring, and Gotham without atmosphere.
Burton is really the only director who nailed Gotham City, especially in B89. I prefer that elevated reality vibe, right down to the navy sky with the werewolf moon.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: GoNerdYourself on Tue, 6 Mar 2018, 16:18
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 19 Feb  2018, 05:28
Quote from: Azrael on Sun, 18 Feb  2018, 16:54
The thing I will really hate about the new Batman movie will be for it to be visually boring, and Gotham without atmosphere.
Burton is really the only director who nailed Gotham City, especially in B89. I prefer that elevated reality vibe, right down to the navy sky with the werewolf moon.

Agreed. I love the stylized vibe for Gotham City.  I did like the look of the Narrows in BB, but that was MIA from TDK and TDKR.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: thecolorsblend on Sat, 17 Mar 2018, 16:41
Never played the Arkham games but I rather enjoy Gotham as it's shown in Injustice: Gods Among Us. It's a pretty dark place to be but it's not so Hell On Earth that you have to question why anybody would ever live there.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 18 Mar 2018, 00:36
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Sat, 17 Mar  2018, 16:41
Never played the Arkham games
After Burton, I'd say the Arkham games are the best representation of Gotham. If you're a fan of Returns you'd enjoy Arkham Origins. Huge buildings, a dark and seedy vibe and covered in snow. It also makes more sense as to why the map is largely empty. It's freezing cold outside.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Travesty on Tue, 15 May 2018, 17:23
Rumors are back that Affleck wants to keep playing Batman for Reeves' movie.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: thecolorsblend on Tue, 15 May 2018, 20:54
Quote from: Travesty on Tue, 15 May  2018, 17:23
Rumors are back that Affleck wants to keep playing Batman for Reeves' movie.
The way things are shaping up, Affleck may be the only positive thing that comes out of the DCEU. He should stick around as long as he can.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Catwoman on Tue, 15 May 2018, 22:25
Quote from: Travesty on Tue, 15 May  2018, 17:23
Rumors are back that Affleck wants to keep playing Batman for Reeves' movie.

That would not hurt my feelings at all. A new one wouldn't either. I just wish they'd figure it out and start working.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Tue, 15 May 2018, 23:10
Quote from: Travesty on Tue, 15 May  2018, 17:23
Rumors are back that Affleck wants to keep playing Batman for Reeves' movie.
I really hope that's true.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Travesty on Thu, 31 Jan 2019, 01:41
Well, Affleck took to twitter, and told everyone he's stepping down. He's officially out.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Laughing Fish on Thu, 31 Jan 2019, 02:00
https://mobile.twitter.com/BenAffleck/status/1090772636206952448

And just like that, I've lost complete interest in the DCEU.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 31 Jan 2019, 04:33
Quote from: Travesty on Thu, 31 Jan  2019, 01:41
Well, Affleck took to twitter, and told everyone he's stepping down. He's officially out.
Deep down we all knew this was coming. I did. So this isn't a shock.  As Batman fans we should be used to this, even though it's still disappointing. Keaton did two films, and Kilmer one. So Affleck joins Keaton (let's face it, SS is barely even a cameo). I would have loved another film or two from him, but that's not happening. BvS cements his legacy for me, in the same way B89 single handedly secures Keaton's.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: thecolorsblend on Thu, 31 Jan 2019, 04:54
I suppose the silver lining in this is that the next movie can exist on its own terms without a necessary tie to Batman's arc of redemption under Affleck. There won't be that lingering question in the back of all our minds about connective tissue between a solo Affleck movie and the DCEU. The new movie can simply BE.

Apparently this will be a younger Batman. For better or for worse. But there are comic book influences and aesthetics which haven't really been explored on film before and what we have here is a golden opportunity for something new. A Neal Adams type of iconic crusading Batman, humanistic to the core and a cape that stretches all the way across Manhattan. Or an early Bob Kane urban commando who contends with vampires and monster men. Or, go with me here, a fun and light Dick Sprang Batman who waves hello to passersby from the Batmobile on his way to another meeting with Commissioner Gordon.

I'm to the point where I don't trust Hollywood with just about anything anymore. But I do want good things for the Reeves film. Here's hoping.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 31 Jan 2019, 07:13
Indeed. I've gone through this in my head for a long time now, and I'm at peace. I imagine Affleck is too. The franchise goes on. 2021 gives decent breathing room for the audience, the replacement and the studio to get things in order. I'm hoping for a detective style Batman (using a flashlight ala BTAS) with the same physicality of Affleck. Reeves referred to a rogues gallery appearing too, which sounds appealing.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Laughing Fish on Thu, 31 Jan 2019, 11:39
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 31 Jan  2019, 04:54
I'm to the point where I don't trust Hollywood with just about anything anymore.

Agreed.

Hollywood has been on borrowed time for a while now, with its unoriginal reboots and remakes, political propaganda and virtue signalling. Let's face it, this has been going for years, even if they've become more aggressive with their agenda nowadays. Apart from John Wick 3, nothing else right now or in the coming years excites me at all. (And yes, I know it sounds a little rich of me to complain about reboots, but I was genuinely curious to see what Snyder would bring to the table, despite my initial skepticism with his take on Superman.)

But this is made even worse with Warner Butchers' mishandling of the DCEU to satisfy hypocritical detractors looking to make news out of nothing. And don't get me started about their lying over Justice League's production again. A lot of fans have petitioned and pleaded to get the real version of Justice League released, with encouragement and support by Jay Oliva who worked on the film. And what do we get? We get Ben Affleck leaving, that weirdo James Gunn getting involved in Suicide Squad and doubts over Henry Cavill's future as Superman (and I heard Amy Adams has expressed uncertainty if her role as Lois will continue). And whatever Snyder had originally planned for post-JL1 was scrapped. Instead of regaining goodwill they lost with the fans, they keep adding more insult to injury.

https://dccomicsnews.com/2018/05/26/snyders-original-5-film-plan-was-meant-to-resolve-our-heroes-story-arcs/?fbclid=IwAR317yrW_pDVnL0iomeXRpEQw0X3Fq8mfam7oawxN3cC5m2IR0MhTwxMoK4

I have no tolerance for that joke of a movie studio anymore. I still haven't seen Aquaman, and most likely, I never will. Likewise, I have no interest in anything Matt Reeves does for his Batman movie. As much as I'm a fan of the character, I just can't see myself supporting anything WB does on film. I realise they're a typically amoral movie studio looking to make money in that cesspool of an industry, but I don't have to tolerate their nonsense. There's no doubt the DCEU's current situation exists because brainded fanboys and shills made sure to run the narrative alive of 'Nolan gets Batman", "MCU is the only one good at a shared universe", by magnifying the flaws of the DCEU while ignoring their beloved franchises' own faults. But the studio pandering to these lowlifes is the final straw.

You might say time heals wounds, and I say bullsh*t. If, and it's very likely at this stage, these detractors turn on Reeves and write slander about the next movie, you can bet your ass WB do the meddling all over again, and we'll be at a crossroads like before. Regardless, I won't be supporting their movies ever again.

As for Affleck's decision to step down? A year ago, I said that I would've lost respect if Affleck were to quit playing Batman because of the false hope he gave in the Comic Con conference in the middle of 2017***. But now, I take back everything I said. The man may be a celebrity, and may have his own skeletons in the closet, but looking at those paparazzi photographs of him looking disheveled and unhappy as he went back to rehab six months or so ago put things in perspective for me. A part of me does think he opted to quit the role as he was dedicated and supportive to what Snyder was going for and leave in solidarity for his firing. But even if that isn't the case, Affleck needs to take care of himself above all. There are FAR more important things in life than movies. Which is something these degenerative, hypocritical mouth breathers who criticise his take on the character don't understand. In other words, I respect his decision.

***EDIT***: Before anyone points it out, yes, I'm aware it was all in PR at the time, and in retrospect, it's not like he had a choice when he had a movie to promote. But it was still frustrating as a fan to experience this.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 31 Jan  2019, 04:33
Deep down we all knew this was coming. I did. So this isn't a shock.  As Batman fans we should be used to this, even though it's still disappointing. Keaton did two films, and Kilmer one. So Affleck joins Keaton (let's face it, SS is barely even a cameo). I would have loved another film or two from him, but that's not happening. BvS cements his legacy for me, in the same way B89 single handedly secures Keaton's.

To the so-called "fans", he'll go largely underappreciated.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Slash Man on Thu, 31 Jan 2019, 19:06
It definitely hurts that this is coming at a time when the franchise was starting to turn itself around. I firmly believe that Affleck was a solid Batman in spite of the material he was given. But even with critical and financial numbers in the DCEU's favor, it looks like studio meddling was too much for Affleck. One has to wonder all that he went through to walk away from the role of a lifetime
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: thecolorsblend on Thu, 31 Jan 2019, 20:43
I wonder what Armie Hammer is up to these days...
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 31 Jan 2019, 21:16
I think we all knew Affleck was out. I'm pretty sure he quit before Justice League was released. About two years ago I wrote:

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sat, 18 Feb  2017, 21:51But if Affleck really is trying to get out of the franchise, then we should expect WB to announce a delay in the filming of The Batman. According to the most recent reports, filming is meant to commence in spring 2017. I can't see that happening when they still haven't even hired a director yet. So summer seems a more likely bet now. But if WB announces filming is delayed until after Justice League's release, then that's a sure sign the rumours of Affleck quitting have weight to them. WB won't want to announce his departure until after JL comes out in case it impacts the box office, so they'll cite script rewrites, director problems or scheduling conflicts as an excuse. But a significant delay in the filming schedule will most likely betoken Affleck's departure.

And we know how that turned out. So I can't honestly say I'm shocked.

I recollect seeing a comment someone posted on another site back when Affleck was first cast in 2013. They predicted he wouldn't stick around for long because he's always had thin skin and doesn't react well to criticism. Keaton brushed off the negative reaction to his casting in 1988 because he didn't really care, but all the reports indicate Affleck took the backlash to BvS very personally. He once said he'd never don a superhero costume again because he left himself open to ridicule when he played Daredevil. He went back on that pledge when he took the part of Batman, and for a while it seemed as if his attitude might have changed. But then it was reported that he felt humiliated by BvS and was looking to exit the role as early as 2016. It's a shame if he comes away from this experience feeling humiliated. Regardless of what people think of the films he appeared in, the majority of fans acknowledge that he did a good job. He proved his naysayers wrong and acquitted himself. And at least his Batman's storyline had a sense of closure at the end of Justice League, which is more than Keaton got in Batman Returns.

Personally, I'm looking forward to the reboot. I've never been terribly invested in the DCEU to begin with. I realised early on that they were going for a specific vision of Batman, Superman and the DC universe in general that wasn't aimed at people like me, and I could tell that it wasn't going to secure the same kind of longevity as the MCU. At the same time, I appreciate that there are lots of fans who really dug this vision and felt like this was their Batman, the version they'd always wanted to see. So my attitude for the past few years has been to let those fans enjoy the DCEU and hope the next iteration is closer to my own tastes. So far I've liked everything I've heard about Matt Reeves' approach. I've got more confidence in him than I had in Snyder or Whedon and I'm feeling optimistic about the future of the franchise. It's unlikely he'll deliver my dream version of the Dark Knight, but I'm hopeful he'll at least give me something that approximates it.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 31 Jan  2019, 04:54Apparently this will be a younger Batman. For better or for worse. But there are comic book influences and aesthetics which haven't really been explored on film before and what we have here is a golden opportunity for something new. A Neal Adams type of iconic crusading Batman, humanistic to the core and a cape that stretches all the way across Manhattan. Or an early Bob Kane urban commando who contends with vampires and monster men. Or, go with me here, a fun and light Dick Sprang Batman who waves hello to passersby from the Batmobile on his way to another meeting with Commissioner Gordon.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 31 Jan  2019, 07:13I'm hoping for a detective style Batman (using a flashlight ala BTAS) with the same physicality of Affleck. Reeves referred to a rogues gallery appearing too, which sounds appealing.

These ideas all sound awesome to me. The potential here is unlimited. I can't wait to see what Reeves' comes up with.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 1 Feb 2019, 13:55
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 31 Jan  2019, 21:16
At the same time, I appreciate that there are lots of fans who really dug this vision and felt like this was their Batman, the version they'd always wanted to see. So my attitude for the past few years has been to let those fans enjoy the DCEU and hope the next iteration is closer to my own tastes.

BvS was very, very close to my Batman. Waking up from vivid nightmares, brooding over dead allies, using guns where appropriate and attacking foes like a scary vampire. Basically, my dream interpretation blends B89 and TDK Returns, which Affleck embodied so well. And let's not forget his Bruce Wayne - a true businessman with charisma and presence. He nailed both aspects of the character. But yeah. As I posted a number of months back:

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 27 Nov  2018, 12:17
I get it. It really sucks what they did with JL. I was severely pissed after Raimi was booted from Spider-Man. My anger over the JL situation was like a raging volcano. They should've released the Snyder version. But instead, they lied to our faces and screwed over a misunderstood genius (Snyder). I feel that pain as much as anybody. But one year, five years or even ten years from now, what's the difference? The Batman movie brand is eventually going to continue after this episode. Just as Batman Begins followed Batman and Robin eight years later. The Reeves movie is being made whether we like it or not, and while I am burned, I'm still a Batman fan. I'm open to seeing what he offers. Batman has only ever been my main interest with the DC movie brand. The Aquaman, Flash, etc side of things can bomb for all I care. I liked the dynamic of Batman interacting with them, but those days are over. As for Reeves, I'll wait to see what happens.

And

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 27 Nov  2018, 10:39
The DCEU is a disappointment in the sense the content was all there to be implemented but it was shunned out of studio cowardice. But what's done is done.

The future of the ongoing DCEU will be Aquaman, Wonder Woman, The Flash and Harley Quinn.

So here's the thing. We can lament the disappointment of Affleck departing the role and get nothing new Batman wise at all (c'mon guys, he's out) or we embrace the possibility of a new prequel trilogy with Reeves.

I'll take the latter, because otherwise, my cinematic Batman needs aren't being met.

There's no waiting around for Affleck to return because I'm sure management have already made the call.

So let's just get in with it. The years will just roll on by with nothing otherwise. The show goes on, and Aquaman and friends just don't do it for me in the same way.

And I stand by those comments now the new direction has been confirmed.
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Post by: The Laughing Fish on Fri, 1 Feb 2019, 22:03
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri,  1 Feb  2019, 13:55
And I stand by those comments now the new direction has been confirmed.

Really? You're going to tolerate Warner Butchers after their despicable conduct? And the likelihood of them potentially continuing their meddling if the next film doesn't satisfy the braindead audience?

Very well, do what you want. At the end of the day, I'm not even frustrated anymore. Even if Affleck stayed on, I wasn't keen on a new movie anyway because I've been so disgusted by WB's deception and their lack of morals. I'm not the biggest Snyder fan despite my show of appreciation for his recent movies as of late, but lying about the circumstances over his departure is unforgivable. I don't want to give my money to a studio that insults its own creators and deceives the fans who do support their films, while desperately trying to appease snakes who write for the entertainment industry like Collider and clickbait sites. Besides, I don't want to be among a hypocritical audience with selective memory. BvS is not a masterpiece by any means, but anybody who is upset and ridicules scenes in that movie while blindly accepting all the mind-numbing nonsense you see in Nolan's movies, has something seriously wrong with them. Same thing goes for MOS. Sounds condescending? Too bad, I call it for what it is.

For me, my way of "getting on with it" is cherishing the movies that already exist and enjoy watching (or like enough to make me forgive the flaws they have), watching Adam West and animated films and TV shows like BTAS, playing video games such as the Arkham series, and exploring more comics I haven't read before. For example, I've been reading more of Scott Snyder's New 52 run and making up for lost time. As you know yourself, they're far more entertaining than most Batman movies Hollywood puts out. I DON'T need a new live action movie, thanks. Batman is a brand with a wealth of content that can keep my interest without seeing any more movies.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Laughing Fish on Sat, 2 Feb 2019, 22:24
For some reason, Ray Fisher believes Ben Affleck returning to the cape and cowl is possible, and implies Cavill is still committed to playing Superman.

Quote
It's my understanding that it's going to be a younger take on Batman. So that's not to say that our older version of Batman can't show back up.

You know, I loved working with both of them. I haven't spoken to them specifically about what the deal is. First and foremost I'm hoping that everybody is happy and content. That's my major thing.

Source: https://www.inverse.com/article/52934-justice-league-2-cyborg-actor-says-ben-affleck-s-batman-could-return

Fisher seems like a really nice guy, and I admire his support for Zack Snyder. But I see this as wishful thinking on his part. The way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets screwed over by Warner Butchers.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 14 Feb 2019, 11:46
Been watching BvS clips to reflect on Affleck, and boy, the film really was dynamite.

The action is awesome, but the dialogue and characterization is what hooks me in.

The scene with Bruce brooding in the Manor ruins, contemplating his coming fight with Superman. "They were hunters."
The batcave conversation with Alfred where among other things he says "that son of a bitch brought the war to us."
The opening scene where he says "we're criminals Alfred, we've always been criminals."
His meeting with Diana at the event, "you don't know me, but I've known a few women like you."
The whole meeting with Clark where he pokes fun at freaks dressed like clowns.

I'm confident enough to say BvS Affleck is my number one cinematic incarnation of Batman. Thank God Snyder was able to even get this film made, just as Burton was able to get Batman Returns made.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Travesty on Tue, 7 Jan 2020, 00:30
I guess I'm going to bump this, since we're getting leaked pics from location shooting, and I don't think we need to relegate the talking in the Penguin thread, lol.

So anyways, looks like Pattinson is on a bike, and it looks like an influence from Zero Year.

(https://i.imgur.com/G7KV4SI.jpg)

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Post by: The Dark Knight on Tue, 7 Jan 2020, 05:41
I had seen conjecture a murder had taken place and Penguin was being questioned, with perhaps Bruce undercover on the bike trying to get access to the crime scene, or simply checking out what's going on. I like the concept of a Bruce outside in daylight hours in any case, showing the war always goes on. I'm liking the filming location they've chosen, too. It seems to have moody character.

After getting heavy TDK Returns vibes in recent films (TDK Rises and BvS), a more prevalent influence of modern material is appealing to me. Scott Snyder, Earth One, Telltale, the Arkham games and whatever else. Mixed in with the general structure of The Long Halloween (a murder mystery involving a bunch of villains). The above comparison indeed does bring Zero Year to mind, sans the cape and cowl.

I'm hoping a batsuit reveal isn't too far away.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: thecolorsblend on Wed, 8 Jan 2020, 02:50
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue,  7 Jan  2020, 05:41
I had seen conjecture a murder had taken place and Penguin was being questioned, with perhaps Bruce undercover on the bike trying to get access to the crime scene, or simply checking out what's going on. I like the concept of a Bruce outside in daylight hours in any case, showing the war always goes on. I'm liking the filming location they've chosen, too. It seems to have moody character.

After getting heavy TDK Returns vibes in recent films (TDK Rises and BvS), a more prevalent influence of modern material is appealing to me. Scott Snyder, Earth One, Telltale, the Arkham games and whatever else. Mixed in with the general structure of The Long Halloween (a murder mystery involving a bunch of villains). The above comparison indeed does bring Zero Year to mind, sans the cape and cowl.

I'm hoping a batsuit reveal isn't too far away.
I'm beginning to wonder if this won't be one of those "Don't show the hero in full uniform until near the end" types of things.

That's not exactly an original idea. But it is a surprisingly original idea for a Batman film.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Wed, 8 Jan 2020, 04:57
I don't believe that will be the case. I think the Bruce Wayne/Batman dynamic will be similar to the Telltale games, where he must juggle the two personas and the mission is full time. There are many villains but I foresee the story being driven from Bruce's shoulders, with Batman Begins being the closest example. Reeves has said as much. Batman is already established in this film by the time it starts.

I really want to stress this: reflecting the times with the use of modern material is the best thing they could be doing right now. And that modern material is of good quality and in my opinion enjoyed by most fans. Nostalgia creates stagnation and repetition, as the Superman and Star Wars franchises know all too well. Hesitation to push forward is the death knell of any brand as new memories are not created. You're just mimicking memories that went before.

There is great skill in doing the same thing but differently, and the filmmakers have help in that regard. A whole fleet of new Batman games and comics are there, and they should be tapped in to, otherwise the movies skip a generation. Getting these elements on the big screen confirms them in the public consciousness.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Fri, 28 Feb 2020, 15:42
Well this is depressing.

On Sunday someone showed me an advertisement asking for extras to appear in a big Hollywood movie that's filming in Liverpool in late March, and my immediate thought was that it might be The Batman. I'm not based in Liverpool, but I live close enough that I could've done it. Except I've got jury duty in the second half of March. I've already had it deferred once due to a combination of root canal surgery and a close relative dying last month, and I can't get it deferred again. Then I see this: https://batman-on-film.com/10643/the-batman-liverpool-shoot-details-emerge/

I'm pretty sure this is the movie the advert was referring to. Sadly the shoot coincides with the first week of my jury duty, otherwise I'd have been able to go along and watch them film. :( One of my cousins has applied to be an extra, so maybe I'll be able to get some insider info from him. Still, I'm disappointed I can't go myself.

The one time they're shooting a Batman movie in my neck of the woods, and it happens to coincide with the fortnight I'm summoned to do jury duty. What're the odds?
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Fri, 28 Feb 2020, 22:25
I often get eliminated from jury duty by announcing my hatred of and loathing for lawyers. It's not ironic and it's not done to amuse. It's a sincere expression of my personal opinion which could play heavily into my selection for any jury.

Almost backfired one time when a judge apparently liked the cut of my jib and admired my rather negative attitude. So he summoned me into his chambers and offered me a job working for him. How do you tell a guy who just listened to you insult his entire profession that you're not interested in working for him?

As to missing out on the shoot, I understand the cachet of a Batman fan being an extra in a Batman movie. That might be enough to justify the job for a lot of people. But consider: extras get crap pay, work long hours and "exceedingly dull work" doesn't even begin to describe it. I imagine that since The Batman is a foreign production working in your country, your film industry's rules most likely prevail. You probably know more about being an extra than I do. But here in the States, it's not very much fun.

Point being that maybe you got off light.

Then again, you may also have missed the opportunity of a lifetime. But let's try to look at the bright side, yes? :)
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 29 Feb 2020, 00:00
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Fri, 28 Feb  2020, 15:42
Well this is depressing.

On Sunday someone showed me an advertisement asking for extras to appear in a big Hollywood movie that's filming in Liverpool in late March, and my immediate thought was that it might be The Batman. I'm not based in Liverpool, but I live close enough that I could've done it. Except I've got jury duty in the second half of March. I've already had it deferred once due to a combination of root canal surgery and a close relative dying last month, and I can't get it deferred again. Then I see this: https://batman-on-film.com/10643/the-batman-liverpool-shoot-details-emerge/

I'm pretty sure this is the movie the advert was referring to. Sadly the shoot coincides with the first week of my jury duty, otherwise I'd have been able to go along and watch them film. :( One of my cousins has applied to be an extra, so maybe I'll be able to get some insider info from him. Still, I'm disappointed I can't go myself.

The one time they're shooting a Batman movie in my neck of the woods, and it happens to coincide with the fortnight I'm summoned to do jury duty. What're the odds?
Well, this sucks. I remember last year I had tickets booked to see The Matrix for the 20th anniversary. Had been anticipating it for months, and the screening was after work. And guess what? About an hour before home time I get tapped on the shoulder, "looks like you'll have to stay back late tonight." I couldn't believe it, and my anger levels were insane. I wanted to kill everyone in the room.

But I decided my job was more important and longer term than one night and a movie. Thankfully I got out just in time and saw the movie. But I can understand your frustration here, Silver. It's rotten luck that's hard to believe, but this stuff happens. In the meantime, ponder all the ways you could get out of it. It does seem possible the Batmobile will appear on the streets soon. And I do hope Robin plays a part in the overall film. The talk of a circus gives me that hope.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Sun, 1 Mar 2020, 19:55
I'm actually quite looking forward to doing jury duty. Everyone I know who's done it says it was an enjoyable experience, similar to going to the theatre. Just so long as the case in question isn't too horrible or the evidence too disturbing (e.g. a child abuse case). I've got several lawyers in my family. My own father is a judge and QC, and I almost became a barrister myself at one point. I was accepted to law school but ended up cancelling my place to pursue a different career path. But I've always been a fan of courtroom dramas in literature, film and television, so it should make for an interesting experience.

It's just a pity the timing is so poor. I don't think I would have applied to be an extra in The Batman, as I've no interest in acting, but I might have taken the train to Liverpool to watch them filming at night. Perhaps I still will. I used to hang around in Liverpool comic book stores a lot when I was a teen. I bought my copy of The Dark Knight Returns there. And I remember a friend of mine, who was also an aficionado of the medium, once saying that he thought Liverpool was the real Gotham (as least as far as North West England is concerned). Now it really will be Gotham in the new film, along with Glasgow and London.

Aside from Nolan using London for a few scenes in his trilogy, this is the first time a Batman movie has primarily used British cities to stand in for Gotham. It's going to be interesting seeing how that shapes the visual character of the finished product.

Here are some more location pics that have cropped up online in the past few weeks.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENiWWKXU4AI18jj?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENiWWKWUwAE21wd?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/LMuDIAR2cZ25auGBmVrrfw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTQ3MA--/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/2o5ccAYx9Oc47.N1qs50vQ--~B/aD0yMDE2O3c9MzAyNDtzbT0xO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media-mbst-pub-ue1.s3.amazonaws.com/creatr-images/2020-02/f6a43a50-56ec-11ea-9df6-50701b682334)

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/zShxD9eT_kZ5OR2vBiJsVw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTQ2OS4wMjg5MjU2MTk4MzQ3/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/_NDdkUQuE0I_EsP5xyrHfQ--~B/aD0yNTc2O3c9Mzg3MjtzbT0xO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media-mbst-pub-ue1.s3.amazonaws.com/creatr-images/2020-02/06e091c0-56ed-11ea-be7f-1609cf9ed11d)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/02/14/12/24737730-8004203-image-a-105_1581684116014.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/02/14/12/24737734-8004203-image-a-101_1581684082270.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/02/14/12/24737736-8004203-image-a-102_1581684084090.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/02/14/12/24737728-8004203-image-a-103_1581684098456.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPUoFwlWsAErc0o?format=jpg&name=900x900)

This next image allegedly shows one of the Riddler's murder victims. It might be a bit spoilerish, so if you don't want to see it then don't scroll down.

(https://preview.redd.it/y2jmsudnqhj41.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=6937f8d447050ae51c9e8aa92966f722ce6aa93f)
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Mon, 2 Mar 2020, 03:41
Personality in the locations has been lacking since Begins, so the UK locations are fantastic decision on the part of Reeves. The selection of Wayne Manor is what I'm curious to see as a result.

A moody Gotham By Gaslight but set in the modern day would be most welcome.

(https://i.ibb.co/PgW05qs/13142-EA1-110-C-406-C-AA2-E-12-E51-BC8-C13-D.jpg)

On a side note, Batman's gauntlets strongly evoke the Court of Owls. Has this Batman already encountered them and tailored his suit accordingly?
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Tue, 3 Mar 2020, 15:19
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon,  2 Mar  2020, 03:41
Personality in the locations has been lacking since Begins, so the UK locations are fantastic decision on the part of Reeves. The selection of Wayne Manor is what I'm curious to see as a result.

A moody Gotham By Gaslight but set in the modern day would be most welcome.

(https://i.ibb.co/PgW05qs/13142-EA1-110-C-406-C-AA2-E-12-E51-BC8-C13-D.jpg)

I've been re-reading the Batman vampire trilogy lately, and the Gotham in those stories is insanely European.

(https://i.postimg.cc/RCLvbzSt/red-rain-gotham.png)

I don't expect Reeves' Gotham to be anywhere near as extreme as this, but it should have an interesting visual identity to distinguish it from its predecessors.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon,  2 Mar  2020, 03:41On a side note, Batman's gauntlets strongly evoke the Court of Owls. Has this Batman already encountered them and tailored his suit accordingly?

I saw this posted on another site.

(https://preview.redd.it/onujv4g87qi41.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=e40c7b6e2111db6e8c964413805d32b802a7a67e)

Some people have complained about the idea of Batman getting his gauntlets from the Court of Owls, but I'm fine with it. The Nolan trilogy showed him adopting the use of ninja bracers following his time with the League of Shadows, and I thought that was a nice addition to the mythology. As long as the explanation for how he gets his gear works in the context of the story they're telling, I'm cool with it.

Apparently some of the casting calls have been asking for extras with circus training, which has led to speculation Haly's Circus might appear. In the New 52 canon, the history of Haly's Circus is connected to that of the Court of Owls. So it sounds like the Talons could make an appearance.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Wed, 4 Mar 2020, 03:31
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Tue,  3 Mar  2020, 15:19
Some people have complained about the idea of Batman getting his gauntlets from the Court of Owls, but I'm fine with it. The Nolan trilogy showed him adopting the use of ninja bracers following his time with the League of Shadows, and I thought that was a nice addition to the mythology. As long as the explanation for how he gets his gear works in the context of the story they're telling, I'm cool with it.

Apparently some of the casting calls have been asking for extras with circus training, which has led to speculation Haly's Circus might appear. In the New 52 canon, the history of Haly's Circus is connected to that of the Court of Owls. So it sounds like the Talons could make an appearance.
I wouldn't mind either. The Court of Owls are a great concept and I'm all for them being integrated into all aspects of franchise media from now on as an established norm. It can be hard to create memorable villains, especially when Batman's rogues gallery is already so iconic. DC managed to do it with Bane, and they managed it again here with the owls.

From the Scott Snyder run, I don't know if Zero Year was fully appreciated upon release. I think it's something that only gets better with time. I like Year One well enough, but I'm totally cool with that influence being reduced in favor of the Snyder story. I'm going to give it another read soon, especially as a fan of the Riddler being a large scale, credible threat – which we need to see more of. The new movie will scratch that itch.

As an aside, when Affleck's Batman was announced as being TDK Returns in age, we saw people complaining about not seeing his earlier adventures against younger costumed foes. Now with a younger but established Batman, we'll probably see 'oh, we're back at the beginning again' comments. Interesting how that works out.

I understand there's a sense of jadedness about this project from various sources and for various reasons, but I'm here for this movie. If it manages to have the narrative focus of Begins (Bruce being the main character), without the unnatural dialogue, and with gorgeous visuals (which is highly likely), I feel this is going to be something really special. Kravitz wasn't my choice for Selina but fan edits have soothed my concerns. I've pretty much liked everything I've seen so far - ESPECIALLY Glasgow.

Eager to see more photos from filming. 
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 16 Jul 2020, 19:54
It's rumoured that due to the Covid-19 crisis the remainder of this film will be shot entirely on a closed set, like Batman Returns, and that they're ditching any further location work. This could prove very costly if true.

I liked the look of the locations they were using earlier in the year, so I'm hoping the rest of the shoot will be mostly interiors to complement the exterior footage they've already filmed. This movie seems to be carving out a unique visual identity for itself, and it'd be a shame to compromise that now.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Thu, 16 Jul 2020, 20:29
I've been a proponent of the digital backlot for a Batman movie for a long time now. A pandemic had nothing to do with that, I just thought it was time to update the visual language of Batman and the DB would be a good way to do that.

Maybe in the future?
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 17 Jul 2020, 01:12
This could become a positive, but the point remains: this is a compromise from their original vision. So overall, I find this news disappointing.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Fri, 17 Jul 2020, 03:06
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Tue,  3 Mar  2020, 15:19
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon,  2 Mar  2020, 03:41
Personality in the locations has been lacking since Begins, so the UK locations are fantastic decision on the part of Reeves. The selection of Wayne Manor is what I'm curious to see as a result.

A moody Gotham By Gaslight but set in the modern day would be most welcome.

(https://i.ibb.co/PgW05qs/13142-EA1-110-C-406-C-AA2-E-12-E51-BC8-C13-D.jpg)

I've been re-reading the Batman vampire trilogy lately, and the Gotham in those stories is insanely European.

(https://i.postimg.cc/RCLvbzSt/red-rain-gotham.png)

I don't expect Reeves' Gotham to be anywhere near as extreme as this, but it should have an interesting visual identity to distinguish it from its predecessors.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon,  2 Mar  2020, 03:41On a side note, Batman's gauntlets strongly evoke the Court of Owls. Has this Batman already encountered them and tailored his suit accordingly?

I saw this posted on another site.

(https://preview.redd.it/onujv4g87qi41.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=e40c7b6e2111db6e8c964413805d32b802a7a67e)

Some people have complained about the idea of Batman getting his gauntlets from the Court of Owls, but I'm fine with it. The Nolan trilogy showed him adopting the use of ninja bracers following his time with the League of Shadows, and I thought that was a nice addition to the mythology. As long as the explanation for how he gets his gear works in the context of the story they're telling, I'm cool with it.

Apparently some of the casting calls have been asking for extras with circus training, which has led to speculation Haly's Circus might appear. In the New 52 canon, the history of Haly's Circus is connected to that of the Court of Owls. So it sounds like the Talons could make an appearance.
Late to the party here but I've been flipping through the Vampire Trilogy too lately, esp Red Rain. It all ties in with a larger trend I've been going through lately with Dracula-related material.

I can't get enough of the European Gotham that Jones drew in Red Rain. It's kind of off-topic since I'm gushing about the comic book rather than the movie but Red Rain belongs in any Batman fan's collection. It's a crime that Jones hasn't done more Batman stuff over the years... although he's done a lot.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Fri, 17 Jul 2020, 12:24
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Fri, 17 Jul  2020, 03:06Late to the party here but I've been flipping through the Vampire Trilogy too lately, esp Red Rain. It all ties in with a larger trend I've been going through lately with Dracula-related material.

If you haven't already, you should read Bram Stoker's original novel. The second half is interminably paced and bogged down in Victorian sentimentalism, which is why most adaptations condense/skip that portion of the story, but the first half is superb and genuinely unsettling. Scenes which come across as routine in modern vampire tales, like the protagonist noticing the villain casts no reflection, retain an impact in Stoker's novel due to their originality at the time they were written. One of the most horrifying scenes in the book, where Dracula unleashes his wolves on a grief-stricken mother whose infant child he has fed to his brides, is never adapted in any of the screen versions (as far as I'm aware). So it's definitely worth reading the novel for the full story.

Somebody gave me a copy of the 2009 sequel novel by Dacre Stoker when it was first published, but it's been sitting on a shelf unread ever since. Is anyone here familiar with it, and if so is it actually worth reading?

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Fri, 17 Jul  2020, 03:06I can't get enough of the European Gotham that Jones drew in Red Rain. It's kind of off-topic since I'm gushing about the comic book rather than the movie but Red Rain belongs in any Batman fan's collection. It's a crime that Jones hasn't done more Batman stuff over the years... although he's done a lot.

Much as I like the vampire trilogy, I didn't actually read it right the way through until I was in my late teens or early twenties. I remember looking through a copy when I was a child and being freaked out by the violence (the scene were Creach bites the face off Cardona's bodyguard was particularly off-putting to my childhood self), so I delayed reading it until I was older. My introduction to Jones' work when I was a kid was through Batman/Dark Joker: The Wild and Contagion. The latter story is particularly relevant right now, and Jones' art remains hauntingly effective.

(https://i.postimg.cc/SKzNWk6j/jones1.png)

The European architectural influence on his Gotham is clearly evident in Contagion.

(https://i.postimg.cc/TwM20F00/jones2.png)

I doubt we'll ever see a Gotham this European on the big screen, but it would be nice to see a similar aesthetic influencing future production designs. I suspect Jones' Gotham was at least partly inspired by Venice. I visited Venice during the summer back in 2010 when it was swelteringly hot, but I gather it has a very different atmosphere in the winter, when the tourists have gone and the temperature drops. Look at how the city was depicted in Nicolas Roeg's Don't Look Now (1973), with its damp decaying brickwork, mist-shrouded canals and rat-infested alleyways.

(https://freakydog.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/dln1c21.jpg)

(https://freakydog.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/dont-look-now-1973-dvdrip-x264-dj-mkv_snapshot_01-34-30_2017-09-03_22-23-05.jpg)

(https://freakydog.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/dont-look-now-1973-dvdrip-x264-dj-mkv_snapshot_01-37-08_2017-09-03_22-27-59.jpg)

(https://freakydog.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/dont-look-now-1973-dvdrip-x264-dj-mkv_snapshot_01-38-28_2017-09-03_22-32-32.jpg)

(https://freakydog.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/dln1c20.jpg)

(https://freakydog.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/pdvd_030dln6.jpg)

(https://freakydog.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/dont-look-now-1973-dvdrip-x264-dj-mkv_snapshot_01-39-15_2017-09-03_22-35-17.jpg)

A little of that Silent Hill ambience wouldn't go amiss in Gotham City.

However, with the possibility of Keaton returning, I feel like the pressure has lessened on Reeves to deliver something like this. I'd be happy if Pattinson's Gotham resembled the one from Batman Begins, then save a full-on Gothic depiction of the city for Keaton's films.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 18 Jul 2020, 01:17
I think The Batman will bring a level of darkness that will make Nolan look tame. I really do. Recent commentary has been signalling that 'we're not in a competition to be darker than any other interpretation', which suggests to me that Reeves isn't playing around. And that the production is getting ahead of such claims. Some interpreted that differently - suggesting the film could be lighter. But I didn't. I'm imagining a focused type of darkness. An intensity. Bruce and Alfred having a tense, brother like relationship, a murder spree in the background, and a moody environment.
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Post by: Azrael on Mon, 20 Jul 2020, 11:00
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Fri, 17 Jul  2020, 12:24

Much as I like the vampire trilogy, I didn't actually read it right the way through until I was in my late teens or early twenties. I remember looking through a copy when I was a child and being freaked out by the violence (the scene were Creach bites the face off Cardona's bodyguard was particularly off-putting to my childhood self), so I delayed reading it until I was older. My introduction to Jones' work when I was a kid was through Batman/Dark Joker: The Wild and Contagion. The latter story is particularly relevant right now, and Jones' art remains hauntingly effective.

The European architectural influence on his Gotham is clearly evident in Contagion.

I doubt we'll ever see a Gotham this European on the big screen, but it would be nice to see a similar aesthetic influencing future production designs. I suspect Jones' Gotham was at least partly inspired by Venice. I visited Venice during the summer back in 2010 when it was swelteringly hot, but I gather it has a very different atmosphere in the winter, when the tourists have gone and the temperature drops. Look at how the city was depicted in Nicolas Roeg's Don't Look Now (1973), with its damp decaying brickwork, mist-shrouded canals and rat-infested alleyways.


This has always been one of the all-time favourite Batman stories, elseworlds or not, as is Kelley Jones' art. One of the first issues I got (Batman # 516) had art by Jones. His arts look just as good in black & white as they do in colour, like engravings. I agree that Jones' Gotham looks very much European. Yes, Venice must have been an influence (as is to anyone with any interest in art and architecture), plus other European cities, Budapest, Prague, Vienna, Berlin. There's something about vampires and characters inspired by them (this includes Batman), visually they look better opposite historical-looking settings, Baroque facades, pointed arches, barrel vaults. I think the designs by Bo Welch and Barbara Ling have a lot of European influence too.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Fri, 17 Jul  2020, 12:24
However, with the possibility of Keaton returning, I feel like the pressure has lessened on Reeves to deliver something like this. I'd be happy if Pattinson's Gotham resembled the one from Batman Begins, then save a full-on Gothic depiction of the city for Keaton's films.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESSHpVRXUAAzJlC.jpg:orig)

The first time I saw this still (and the others that came with it), I immediately thought of Batman Begins.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 18 Jul  2020, 01:17
I think The Batman will bring a level of darkness that will make Nolan look tame. I really do. Recent commentary has been signalling that 'we're not in a competition to be darker than any other interpretation', which suggests to me that Reeves isn't playing around. And that the production is getting ahead of such claims. Some interpreted that differently - suggesting the film could be lighter. But I didn't. I'm imagining a focused type of darkness. An intensity. Bruce and Alfred having a tense, brother like relationship, a murder spree in the background, and a moody environment.

Judging by what is known: official stills, Giacchino's preview, locations, leaked images, the words of the director himself, yes, this promises to be a dark ride.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Mon, 20 Jul 2020, 11:38
Quote from: Azrael on Mon, 20 Jul  2020, 11:00
Judging by what is known: official stills, Giacchino's preview, locations, leaked images, the words of the director himself, yes, this promises to be a dark ride.
ZSJL and a possible Keaton return are exciting. But I'm also very much on The Pattinson Train (TPT) and I'm rooting for him. If Keaton does indeed come back, Pattinson becomes an underdog (competing against a nostalgic icon is a high bar), which is exciting in its own way...and makes me somewhat sympathetic. I do like the apparent self contained nature of this universe, existing outside of the DCEU.

I see less reason to hate on TPT. It's a new version of Batman on top of what we already have. What happened to Affleck happened, and nothing can change that. But ZSJL gives him closure...with a slight possibility of returning with HBO Max. If Pattinson gets a genuine detective thriller, I can see apathetic fans changing their tune, especially if they're being fed in other areas.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Mon, 20 Jul 2020, 18:40
Quote from: Azrael on Mon, 20 Jul  2020, 11:00This has always been one of the all-time favourite Batman stories, elseworlds or not, as is Kelley Jones' art. One of the first issues I got (Batman # 516) had art by Jones. His arts look just as good in black & white as they do in colour, like engravings. I agree that Jones' Gotham looks very much European. Yes, Venice must have been an influence (as is to anyone with any interest in art and architecture), plus other European cities, Budapest, Prague, Vienna, Berlin.

Absolutely. Jones clearly has a lot of love for European architecture. I wouldn't be surprised if he modelled certain locations on real buildings. For example, the church where the finale of Batman: Bloodstorm takes place looks a lot like the Basilica di Santa Maria Gloriosa dei Frari in Venice. He compressed it, modified the entrance and elevated the central window slightly, but otherwise it looks the same.

(https://i.postimg.cc/QMDhTT9S/venice.png)

Quote from: Azrael on Mon, 20 Jul  2020, 11:00The first time I saw this still (and the others that came with it), I immediately thought of Batman Begins.

I'd be perfectly happy with a visual style similar to Batman Begins. I've said this many times before, but I regard BB as the aesthetic midpoint between the stylised 1989 Gotham and the realistic version from TDK and TDKR. BB's visuals are underrated IMHO.

(https://64.media.tumblr.com/9bdf5c1169d10200be3604626376b57e/tumblr_mmjjfnnHKQ1sqv1wuo1_500.gif)

Looking at the gang makeup in some of those location snaps, I'm also getting a bit of a Purge vibe from Reeves' film.

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/02/14/12/24737730-8004203-image-a-105_1581684116014.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/02/14/12/24737728-8004203-image-a-103_1581684098456.jpg)

There's been some online speculation about the Netflix Daredevil being an influence as well. Needless to say I'm all in favour of that. ;D

Right now Keaton's return, if indeed it's happening, is the thing I'm most stoked about. Nothing else comes close to that. But second place on my hype-meter goes to Reeves' movie. It'd be great to have two concurrent Batman film series: one a stylised gothic version built around an older Batman who exists in the wider DCEU, and the other a grittier version built around a younger Batman who operates within his own universe. Throw in a new animated TV series for younger viewers, and there should be something for everyone.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 20 Jul  2020, 11:38But I'm also very much on The Pattinson Train (TPT) and I'm rooting for him. If Keaton does indeed come back, Pattinson becomes an underdog (competing against a nostalgic icon is a high bar), which is exciting in its own way...and makes me somewhat sympathetic.

The situation reminds me a little of when Connery and Moore went up against each other at the box office in 1983 with Never Say Never Again and Octopussy. Of course the difference here is that the two different Batman films would be made by the same studio and thus not in competition with one another, so hopefully fans will support both.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Tue, 21 Jul 2020, 02:15
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Mon, 20 Jul  2020, 18:40
I'd be perfectly happy with a visual style similar to Batman Begins. I've said this many times before, but I regard BB as the aesthetic midpoint between the stylised 1989 Gotham and the realistic version from TDK and TDKR. BB's visuals are underrated IMHO.
No arguments here. B89, BR and BB were all studio based. There's a good precedent that indicates Reeves can make it work for him, even if original plans have changed.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Mon, 20 Jul  2020, 18:40
Right now Keaton's return, if indeed it's happening, is the thing I'm most stoked about. Nothing else comes close to that. But second place on my hype-meter goes to Reeves' movie. It'd be great to have two concurrent Batman film series: one a stylised gothic version built around an older Batman who exists in the wider DCEU, and the other a grittier version built around a younger Batman who operates within his own universe. Throw in a new animated TV series for younger viewers, and there should be something for everyone.
Much the same for me.

I'm hoping for an Arkham Origins ambiance with Reeves. It's far and away the best Arkham game. A young, angry and energetic Batman who clashes with Alfred and learns valuable life lessons. An atmospheric looking city with a seedy underbelly and brutally tough villains. If they capture the spirit of Origins, I think they'll surprise people in a good way.

As for a new animated show, I'm for that, but if not, WBGM's new game (and subsequent games in that series) will scratch that itch. I'm content for the time being again working my way through The Brave and the Bold, and indeed 2004's The Batman. The latter which needs a Blu-ray remaster.     

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Post by: Azrael on Tue, 21 Jul 2020, 11:20
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 20 Jul  2020, 11:38
ZSJL and a possible Keaton return are exciting. But I'm also very much on The Pattinson Train (TPT) and I'm rooting for him. If Keaton does indeed come back, Pattinson becomes an underdog (competing against a nostalgic icon is a high bar), which is exciting in its own way...and makes me somewhat sympathetic. I do like the apparent self contained nature of this universe, existing outside of the DCEU.

I see less reason to hate on TPT. It's a new version of Batman on top of what we already have. What happened to Affleck happened, and nothing can change that. But ZSJL gives him closure...with a slight possibility of returning with HBO Max. If Pattinson gets a genuine detective thriller, I can see apathetic fans changing their tune, especially if they're being fed in other areas.

Agreed, and I see no reason to hate on Pattison's Batman, at all. Never understood that backlash on his casting announcement (and if I remember right, the announcement was made at around the same time The Lighthouse was talked about a lot).

This is like a bonus, three different live action Batmen - one classic, one underused, one brand new - all (potentially) good and interesting. Three faces - older mentor; member in a superhero team against an alien/cosmic threat; lone dark knight detective.


Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Mon, 20 Jul  2020, 18:40

Absolutely. Jones clearly has a lot of love for European architecture. I wouldn't be surprised if he modelled certain locations on real buildings. For example, the church where the finale of Batman: Bloodstorm takes place looks a lot like the Basilica di Santa Maria Gloriosa dei Frari in Venice. He compressed it, modified the entrance and elevated the central window slightly, but otherwise it looks the same.

(https://i.postimg.cc/QMDhTT9S/venice.png)

This is very likely, good catch.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Mon, 20 Jul  2020, 18:40
Right now Keaton's return, if indeed it's happening, is the thing I'm most stoked about. Nothing else comes close to that. But second place on my hype-meter goes to Reeves' movie. It'd be great to have two concurrent Batman film series: one a stylised gothic version built around an older Batman who exists in the wider DCEU, and the other a grittier version built around a younger Batman who operates within his own universe. Throw in a new animated TV series for younger viewers, and there should be something for everyone.

QFT

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Mon, 20 Jul  2020, 18:40
There's been some online speculation about the Netflix Daredevil being an influence as well. Needless to say I'm all in favour of that. ;D

Yeah, agreed. As someone who wasn't really a fan of DD before this series came out, that series made me interested for more. If the fight scenes in The Batman come close to those in DD, they will be excellent.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Mon, 20 Jul  2020, 18:40
I'd be perfectly happy with a visual style similar to Batman Begins. I've said this many times before, but I regard BB as the aesthetic midpoint between the stylised 1989 Gotham and the realistic version from TDK and TDKR. BB's visuals are underrated IMHO.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 21 Jul  2020, 02:15
No arguments here. B89, BR and BB were all studio based. There's a good precedent that indicates Reeves can make it work for him, even if original plans have changed.

Agreed 100%. I also thought of Batman Begins as a compromise between a stylized and a "realistic" Gotham City. It's also one of the reasons I still like the PS2/GC game. Very atmospheric.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 21 Jul  2020, 02:15
I'm hoping for an Arkham Origins ambiance with Reeves. It's far and away the best Arkham game. A young, angry and energetic Batman who clashes with Alfred and learns valuable life lessons. An atmospheric looking city with a seedy underbelly and brutally tough villains. If they capture the spirit of Origins, I think they'll surprise people in a good way.

As for a new animated show, I'm for that, but if not, WBGM's new game (and subsequent games in that series) will scratch that itch. I'm content for the time being again working my way through The Brave and the Bold, and indeed 2004's The Batman. The latter which needs a Blu-ray remaster.   

This is a bit of minority view, I agree, I loved this game, I'd say it was the most atmospheric game in the series, one of the best screen versions of Bane (before he was turned into a hulking juggernaut), and those Killing Joke-inspired flashbacks (with Thieving Magpie) were very memorable.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Sat, 25 Jul 2020, 20:51
Quote from: Azrael on Tue, 21 Jul  2020, 11:20Agreed 100%. I also thought of Batman Begins as a compromise between a stylized and a "realistic" Gotham City. It's also one of the reasons I still like the PS2/GC game. Very atmospheric.

I never played the Batman Begins game, but I did watch a playthrough on YouTube last year and it looks much better than I'd assumed it would. I'm actually quite tempted to try and get hold of a second-hand copy. In some ways the BB game almost seems like a prototype for the Arkham series, particularly with regards to the stealth gameplay, glider mechanics and the intimidation aspect of the enemy AI. It's also cool hearing all the actors from the films voicing their respective characters in animated form. Bale's original BB voice was very different from the one he used in TDK and TDKR, and his voice work on the game reflects that.

It's a pity BB was the only Nolanverse film to get a proper game and comic book adaptation.
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Post by: Azrael on Sun, 26 Jul 2020, 18:34
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sat, 25 Jul  2020, 20:51
Quote from: Azrael on Tue, 21 Jul  2020, 11:20Agreed 100%. I also thought of Batman Begins as a compromise between a stylized and a "realistic" Gotham City. It's also one of the reasons I still like the PS2/GC game. Very atmospheric.

I never played the Batman Begins game, but I did watch a playthrough on YouTube last year and it looks much better than I'd assumed it would. I'm actually quite tempted to try and get hold of a second-hand copy. In some ways the BB game almost seems like a prototype for the Arkham series, particularly with regards to the stealth gameplay, glider mechanics and the intimidation aspect of the enemy AI. It's also cool hearing all the actors from the films voicing their respective characters in animated form. Bale's original BB voice was very different from the one he used in TDK and TDKR, and his voice work on the game reflects that.

It's a pity BB was the only Nolanverse film to get a proper game and comic book adaptation.

Gary Oldman is the only one not reprising his role (Gordon only makes a brief appearance).

Yes, it's easy to see how this seems both like a predecessor to Arkham, plus an evolution of Batman Vengeance.

If you keep a collection of physical copies of games, yes, it's definitely worth owning.

It is, however, better on emulation, not because it's cheap (i.e. free), but because the graphics are greatly enhanced with much higher resolutions and filters (the only limit is the PC's power). I'm sure there must be comparison videos of how a game looks on a real GameCube compared to how it looks on the Dolphin emulator with high settings. The games are almost "remastered", and Dolphin works fine with an XBOX360 controller, years ago I did a full playthrough with it.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Tue, 28 Jul 2020, 21:49
Quote from: Azrael on Sun, 26 Jul  2020, 18:34Gary Oldman is the only one not reprising his role (Gordon only makes a brief appearance).

I didn't realise Oldman wasn't in it. That's a shame. I know he was meant to be involved in The Dark Knight game, but of course that vanished into the ether.

Quote from: Azrael on Sun, 26 Jul  2020, 18:34If you keep a collection of physical copies of games, yes, it's definitely worth owning.

It is, however, better on emulation, not because it's cheap (i.e. free), but because the graphics are greatly enhanced with much higher resolutions and filters (the only limit is the PC's power). I'm sure there must be comparison videos of how a game looks on a real GameCube compared to how it looks on the Dolphin emulator with high settings. The games are almost "remastered", and Dolphin works fine with an XBOX360 controller, years ago I did a full playthrough with it.

Ah, that explains why the playthrough I watched had such a smooth frame rate and high resolution. I thought the graphics looked a tad too good for a sixth generation game. It must have been on the Dolphin emulator. Unfortunately my computer is far too slow to handle emulation of any platform more recent than an Atari 2600, so if I do get it I'll probably fork out for a second-hand GameCube disk. I prefer physical media anyway. Even if the graphics are dated, it still looks like a very promising game.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 30 Jul 2020, 22:49
The Begins game is very good, and a definite precursor to Rocksteady's trilogy in terms of fear based gameplay and stealth. Play it if you can.

I saw this artwork by Aymen Swisy, and love the atmosphere it has. I am hoping for a grandfather clock entrance in the movie. It's classic Batman and hasn't been done before on film yet. Pattinson could turn the clock hands, and as he does so, we get a brief flashback of the Crime Alley murder. That's all we'd need.

(https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/022/040/166/medium/aymen-swisy-patman.jpg?1573873001)
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Thu, 30 Jul 2020, 23:01
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 30 Jul  2020, 22:49
The Begins game is very good, and a definite precursor to Rocksteady's trilogy in terms of fear based gameplay and stealth. Play it if you can.

I saw this artwork by Aymen Swisy, and love the atmosphere it has. I am hoping for a grandfather clock entrance in the movie. It's classic Batman and hasn't been done before on film yet. Pattinson could turn the clock hands, and as he does so, we get a brief flashback of the Crime Alley murder. That's all we'd need.

(https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/022/040/166/medium/aymen-swisy-patman.jpg?1573873001)
Speaking of Pattinson... um, Bruce looks kind of Pattinson'ish there. The hairline, the brow, the nose, it's an interesting similarity.
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Post by: Azrael on Fri, 31 Jul 2020, 15:45
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Tue, 28 Jul  2020, 21:49
Ah, that explains why the playthrough I watched had such a smooth frame rate and high resolution. I thought the graphics looked a tad too good for a sixth generation game. It must have been on the Dolphin emulator. Unfortunately my computer is far too slow to handle emulation of any platform more recent than an Atari 2600, so if I do get it I'll probably fork out for a second-hand GameCube disk. I prefer physical media anyway. Even if the graphics are dated, it still looks like a very promising game.

This is hard to believe (2600, lol) but yeah, I understand what you mean about physical media. It's always different to have the real thing, music album, book, game, anything. For games, I still have numerous things going back to the fourth generation, and if I was in quite a different situation, I would still buy some retro, especially from the fourth, which remains my favourite aesthetically: packaging, box cover art, console design, its overall aesthetic. I prefer modern games as much as the next guy, but there's something about the third and (especially) the fourth generations of gaming that makes them charming and timeless.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 2 Aug 2020, 00:17
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 30 Jul  2020, 23:01
Speaking of Pattinson... um, Bruce looks kind of Pattinson'ish there. The hairline, the brow, the nose, it's an interesting similarity.
Yes, it was a deliberate design choice on behalf of the artist. The art gives off a modern Adam West vibe to me, which is something I'd absolutely like to see translated into the film if possible. A stylish young man who has a personable reputation in the social and business scene. That's a huge reason why I like West in the role so much - natural charisma goes a long way.
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Post by: Azrael on Mon, 3 Aug 2020, 19:39
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun,  2 Aug  2020, 00:17
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 30 Jul  2020, 23:01
Speaking of Pattinson... um, Bruce looks kind of Pattinson'ish there. The hairline, the brow, the nose, it's an interesting similarity.
Yes, it was a deliberate design choice on behalf of the artist. The art gives off a modern Adam West vibe to me, which is something I'd absolutely like to see translated into the film if possible. A stylish young man who has a personable reputation in the social and business scene. That's a huge reason why I like West in the role so much - natural charisma goes a long way.

IMO Kilmer's Wayne was a bit like that too.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 8 Aug 2020, 11:30
Not sure if this was posted. Some people found a 'Gotham Renewal Corporation: Investing in our future Gotham Orphanage' sign at Hartwood Mental Hospital, a location in the film.

Have a Google of that place, it looks perfect for a Batman movie.

This article has it all here: https://batman-news.com/2020/02/21/the-batman-set-photos-hartwood-hospital/

It seems like a teaser trailer is possible at FanDome, too. Pattinson's Russian voice actor, Alexander Gavrilin, has posted and then deleted an Instagram post teasing one. I'm hoping we get character stills and more details. A teaser poster would be nice too.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 16:44
Matt Reeves has posted the official logo on Twitter along with some art work by Jim Lee.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ef4Do0QXsAEJssz?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ef4Do0cWkAEyy1i?format=jpg&name=large)

That gargoyle bodes well for the look of Gotham City, and the Jim Lee art reminds me of the teasers Joe Quesada used to draw for the Daredevil TV show Comic-Con panels.

(https://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2014/10/daredevil-concept-art-109118.jpg)

(https://64.media.tumblr.com/e657317a3841cd923d82235d6260826c/tumblr_nvtmhuWBG41tlzs61o1_1280.jpg)
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 18:05
It would be kind of fun for comic book artists to draw official movie posters for future releases. It's a helpful reminder of the source material plus it's an alternative to yet another dramatically lit picture/collage of the cast.
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Post by: Travesty on Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 19:56
Reminds me of The Virtual Boy.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 21:45
The red and black is definitely the film's palette. The logo itself is something unique to Pattinson, which should be the intention of any new characterization, but still identifiable as Batman.

I've seen people compare it to this Year One panel:

(http://m0vie.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/bat.jpg?w=400&h=153)
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Sat, 22 Aug 2020, 19:52
Some images have leaked ahead of the panel.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgDDIjHWkAAeb2X?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgDDIjHWAAAS-Th?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgDDIjFX0AMgglm?format=jpg&name=large)
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 22 Aug 2020, 19:55
Good catch, this looks to be something really different. Pattinson looks furious. Very moody stuff.
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Post by: Travesty on Sat, 22 Aug 2020, 20:45
Not bad.

Is there a trailer, or are those just stills?
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 22 Aug 2020, 20:48
Quote from: Travesty on Sat, 22 Aug  2020, 20:45
Not bad.

Is there a trailer, or are those just stills?
There's a good chance of a trailer. Footage hasn't leaked yet.

Notice how they're directly embracing the black makeup around the eyes?
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Sat, 22 Aug 2020, 21:10
Yeah, I'm pretty sure there'll be a teaser trailer during The Batman panel later on. These pics are probably from that.
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Post by: Travesty on Sat, 22 Aug 2020, 21:18
I actually like the longer hair on Bruce.

I'm starting to see it. I couldn't picture Pattinson as Bruce(I wasn't worried about him in the Batsuit), but I can see it better now.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 00:08
Just seen the trailer. It has an atmosphere unlike anything we've seen in a Batman film before. Very much a focused darkness, noir vibe. Pattinson's Batman voice is natural, not synthesized and is more akin to Keaton and Kilmer, with a slight growl. Well done there. The fighting style looks brutal based on one goon encounter we see. Very interested in this.
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Post by: Travesty on Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 00:25
Well, all of my negativity has been washed away. That trailer was f'n awesome. I loved it. Holy sh*t, I f'n loved it.

Wow!
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 00:59
Quote from: Travesty on Sun, 23 Aug  2020, 00:25
Well, all of my negativity has been washed away. That trailer was f'n awesome. I loved it. Holy sh*t, I f'n loved it.

Wow!
Excellent.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri, 21 Feb  2020, 22:24
This rawer look could feel like a shock to the system now, but give it time.

A summary of what Reeves said:

The murders explore the history of Gotham.
It's not an origin story, but it touches on his origins.
He will make mistakes in a way that he feels human.
It shows how Batman develops on the job as his methods need to evolve to be more effective.
How did his family sit in the corruption of Gotham? - maybe Telltale elements?
Selina isn't Catwoman yet.
Oz doesn't like being called the Penguin.
Riddler is just starting out.
The characters connect and is like a snowball of momentum.
The suit is always evolving and has battle scars.
This Gotham is intended to be elusive to pin down, with elements from various sources.
Batman's legend is building and people are terrified of him.
He mentions one of my favorite Batman comics of all time, Ego, as an example.
It is a police/detective thriller, with Chinatown and Taxi Driver type street stories cited as non CBM influences.

You can tell Reeves is a total fanboy like us. Fast talking enthusiasm. I have faith in him.

EXCITED. Best pure discussion panel of the event.
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Post by: Travesty on Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 01:02
The link I watched earlier got copyrighted. Waiting on the full one to finally drop. I watched it again live on Fandome.

Man, I really liked it. And that Nirvana song played so well with it.

Such a good day. So happy right now.
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Post by: Travesty on Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 01:06
Official link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLOp_6uPccQ
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 01:08
Quote from: Travesty on Sun, 23 Aug  2020, 01:02
The link I watched earlier got copyrighted. Waiting on the full one to finally drop. I watched it again live on Fandome.

Man, I really liked it. And that Nirvana song played so well with it.

Such a good day. So happy right now.
Agreed. I'm relieved they're getting back to work next month. The detective/noir talk is real - that's what we're getting. Very, very moody and has the potential to be something special, especially if we do get a trilogy. I was underwhelmed with the games stuff, but the things that matter more (ZSJL, Flashpoint's premise, The Batman and also WW84) knocked my socks off.
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Post by: Travesty on Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 01:10
Yeah, I liked most of the stuff I saw, except for the videogames, and even those I'm going to end up playing.

Man, I can't stop watching this trailer. I love it.
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Post by: The Joker on Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 01:21

Can't say that I am indifferent to this any longer!

Looks very interesting.
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Post by: Travesty on Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 01:36
I just shared it with about 5 of my non-nerdy friends, and they all think it looks rad.

Sorry about talkin this trailer up, but this thing set me over the top. I'm so happy with what I'm seeing.

Today was a good day.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 01:40
Notice how Batman is attending crime scenes and interacting with Gordon? An early days, uneasy but somewhat steady relationship is my guess. The feedback I'm seeing online is positive. They needed a good trailer to get enthusiasm up for this series, and I think they've done so. Especially after people were unsure about the set photos. Official footage is very different.
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Post by: Travesty on Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 01:55
It's even the little things. I like Riddler's scribbley penmanship, etc

I like the atmosphere, I like Gordon, I'm now feelin the Batsuit in this particular universe within this setting. It's totally working for me, now. It literally looks like Se7en mixed with Batman, and I'm totally feeling it. BTS shots weren't doing it justice. Oh, and Pattinson's voice is great. I was scared about a Bale-growl, but damn, do I love his voice.

But I'm not going to lie, it is giving me a Netflix Daredevil vibe, but that's a great thing. I love that show, so no complaints there.
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Post by: Travesty on Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 02:05
Oh, and it looks like Colin Farrell really put on some weight, and has a prosthetic nose on. He looks good as Penguin. And Riddler with that mask on with the glasses looks so creepy.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 02:45
Nice place you've got here...lots of space.

(https://i.ibb.co/nnq8Yzr/0573-BD67-3-D54-420-C-9217-2-C02113-E2-CC1.jpg)

Battinson drives the motorbike inside, so I'm guessing it's his version of the batcave. I can see this evolving over the course of his series, with perhaps a turntable placed in the middle ala B66. Love that staircase.
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Post by: Travesty on Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 02:50
Oh sh*t, I didn't even realize that was the cave. Nice catch.

I need to go on YT and look at reactions/breakdowns. I've just been replaying this and talking to friends. This trailer just blew up. All my friends are talking to me about it.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 03:38
Quote from: Travesty on Sun, 23 Aug  2020, 02:50
Oh sh*t, I didn't even realize that was the cave. Nice catch.
Even better, I'm confident enough to claim the road/graveyard area from the Glasgow shoot is the entry point to the batcave. Very old school, ala the Burton descent into mystery or even the B66 show.

Love what they're doing.
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Post by: The Joker on Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 05:20
Screen cap of Colin Ferrell's Penguin.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgEUsozU0AAVgWn?format=jpg)
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Post by: Kamdan on Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 09:00
Quote from: The Joker on Sun, 23 Aug  2020, 05:20
Screen cap of Colin Ferrell's Penguin.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgEUsozU0AAVgWn?format=jpg)
Looks like they made him up to resemble Richard Kind. Glad they're not going with how Penguin looked in the Telltale video game.
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Post by: The Joker on Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 09:22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pGPy0A2Jgo
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 10:23
Here's my guess at deconstructing this scene. Batman inside a GCPD lockup surrounded by Police. He spots a corrupt officer, or someone he has apprehended, and charges through the crowd to get at them.

(https://i.ibb.co/qBLN91p/C24-D60-BA-A6-F3-4078-A48-A-9-AD58-C2-BF716.jpg)

Gordon intervenes, pushes Batman against the wall and demands he calm down.

(https://i.ibb.co/441P8nx/8-AABE82-C-04-B5-4424-8636-A81-CCEBDD77-B.jpg)

I also like this shot - reminiscent of the Begins stairwell scene, but Batman going up and not down.

(https://i.ibb.co/JrnbWqc/87017-BD7-80-C2-46-A5-A778-67-FD97329-DAA.jpg)
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 13:38
Quote from: Travesty on Sun, 23 Aug  2020, 01:06
Official link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLOp_6uPccQ

This looks incredible! I'm especially digging the detective theme in this trailer. We've got Batman visiting crime scenes, examining clues, liaising with Gordon, all of which points towards a proper detective narrative. Bring it on!

Quote from: Travesty on Sun, 23 Aug  2020, 01:55But I'm not going to lie, it is giving me a Netflix Daredevil vibe, but that's a great thing. I love that show, so no complaints there.

I've seen a lot of comments saying this, and I totally agree. The batsuit, cinematography, lighting, music choice (Nirvana also featured in The Defenders trailer) and overall tone are very reminiscent of Daredevil. They look like they could easily exist in the same universe.

(https://i.postimg.cc/xdzZ4YLx/darebat.png)

It even looks like Bruce might have an early 'vigilante' suit before he gets his classic costume, just like Matt did.

(https://i.postimg.cc/SNGMFt6m/mattwayne.png)

The scene of Batman pummelling that thug is pure Matt Murdock; Bruce was 'letting the devil out' there. Notice that when Reeves was discussing the Penguin during the panel he said "Oz is not yet the kingpin that he's going to become". Obviously the moniker of 'kingpin' is not exclusive to Wilson Fisk, but it is most strongly associated with that character within the superhero genre. For a while now I've suspected that Daredevil – which I rate as the best superhero adaptation of the previous decade – was going to be a major influence on Reeves, and this trailer further fuels that assumption. As you say, that can only be a good thing.

Presumably Reeves is also drawing from the same cinematic influences as the makers of the Daredevil series: Martin Scorsese films, 1970s crime movies, Korean and Indonesian action cinema. The Se7en vibe is unmistakable too. This is going to be a lot more grounded than most other Batman films, and I think we're going to see Pattinson's Bruce struggle, suffer and get injured more than his predecessors did. I wonder if they'll go full R or keep it PG-13. Either way, I have faith in Reeves to deliver something special. He's been saying all the right things since day one, and so far the movie is coming together nicely.

Quote from: The Joker on Sun, 23 Aug  2020, 05:20
Screen cap of Colin Ferrell's Penguin.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgEUsozU0AAVgWn?format=jpg)

If that is Farrell, then wow. He's unrecognisable. So much so that I'm wondering if there's digital trickery involved. Or is it all practical makeup effects?

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 23 Aug  2020, 10:23I also like this shot - reminiscent of the Begins stairwell scene, but Batman going up and not down.

(https://i.ibb.co/JrnbWqc/87017-BD7-80-C2-46-A5-A778-67-FD97329-DAA.jpg)

This shot caught my eye as well. Following Nolan's example, it looks like Reeves is using practical effects and real stunt work as much as possible. That makes a big difference when depicting more grounded characters like Batman. I'm hoping they'll also take this approach for Keaton's version, at least insofar as his advancing years will allow.
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Post by: BatmanFurst on Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 19:06
Do you guys like that this Batman actually puts makeup on around his eyes? In the other films that's just a theatrical effect for the audience.
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Post by: Travesty on Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 21:47
Quote from: BatmanFurst on Sun, 23 Aug  2020, 19:06
Do you guys like that this Batman actually puts makeup on around his eyes? In the other films that's just a theatrical effect for the audience.
I can go with it either way, but I like it here. He looks good with the motorcycle helmet, and in the cave after he takes the cowl off. He kinda looks like The Winter Soldier, but I like it.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 22:46
Quote from: Travesty on Sun, 23 Aug  2020, 21:47
Quote from: BatmanFurst on Sun, 23 Aug  2020, 19:06
Do you guys like that this Batman actually puts makeup on around his eyes? In the other films that's just a theatrical effect for the audience.
I can go with it either way, but I like it here. He looks good with the motorcycle helmet, and in the cave after he takes the cowl off. He kinda looks like The Winter Soldier, but I like it.
I like it too. I think it plays with what Reeves is saying about touching upon past incarnations in terms of familiarity of concept, while also doing new things. Which, believe it or not, was something someone said to me straight after viewing the trailer: "this FEELS like it's doing something new."

The official title font is very reminiscent of JOKER, which I think is deliberate and an indication of what type of film we'll get. I don't think it'll be R rated but the atmosphere will be brooding and claustrophobic. Batman bashes that goon in a brutal way but it's not graphic, which could be the template for the action overall.

There's talk that perhaps Battinson starts out brutal, and manages to become more of a hero in terms of the public's perception of him. Which would invert Batfleck, who became angrier and more brutal in his later years, only to see the light afterwards and change his ways.
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Post by: The Joker on Tue, 25 Aug 2020, 01:55

(https://i.postimg.cc/C5yNHhDY/Poster-Art-9u7383.jpg)
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Tue, 25 Aug 2020, 07:46
Good find, Joker.

The Pattinson Train is now gathering momentum. It's currently the third most upvoted trailer in Reddit history, and has had 22.5 million views so far. That's impressive any way you slice it.

Other comments:
One of the cards Riddler sends features an owl. Integrating the Court of Owls into Gotham's history would be excellent. I hope it happens.
Robert's glare is very focused, and I daresay the stongest from any Bruce actor yet. It's Sith Lord-esque.
Batman being shot in the chest - the emblem being Joe Chill's gun is still a possibility, IMO. Could serve the same function as TDK Returns' yellow oval. 

And I believe this to be a successful merge of a real world and superhero.
(https://brobible.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Screen-Shot-2020-08-24-at-9.59.56-AM-2.jpg?resize=650,268)
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Post by: Travesty on Tue, 25 Aug 2020, 22:31
This was a good breakdown with potential spoilers, so beware if you're trying to go on blind, but nothing too crazy. Also, it shows who Peter Sarsgaard is, and where he was in the trailer, which was something I didn't notice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMeE5CCDnWw
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Post by: Travesty on Wed, 26 Aug 2020, 22:34
Another catch in the trailer. Also, I didn't know Batman was in cuffs within the GCPD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6JqOxjBhtg
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 27 Aug 2020, 11:55
 
Quote from: Travesty on Tue, 25 Aug  2020, 22:31
This was a good breakdown with potential spoilers, so beware if you're trying to go on blind, but nothing too crazy. Also, it shows who Peter Sarsgaard is, and where he was in the trailer, which was something I didn't notice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMeE5CCDnWw
Thanks for that. As they say, the cave being connected to Gotham's infrastructure would be a nice touch, allowing Batman to appear in the city through tunnels. And perhaps he has several caves hidden throughout the city, ala No Man's Land. I'm really interested to see what their version of Wayne Manor looks like. I'm hoping for Gothic elements.

I'm also eager to see how they approach the Bruce Wayne scenes given the brooding tone they've established in the trailer. Unlike Keaton, I'm thinking Pattinson's Bruce is a known public figure, ala the scene of him rescuing the boy from the speeding car. But someone detached.

Private and serious...perhaps with the jerk act absent.

Keeping the black makeup around the eyes when the mask comes off pushes the comparison between Batman and the Joker, which is ideal if the movie seeks to play up the obsessive, unstable elements of the character. They're both unstable in their own way and must get into character to perform their role on the city stage.

Batman being in cuffs changes the context of that scene completely. I REALLY hope they integrate the Court into the new franchise. I'm all for New 52, Earth One and Telltale elements becoming mainstream. Elements of The Long Halloween can offer the traditional flair, which is still pretty damn dark.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 27 Aug 2020, 17:28
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 27 Aug  2020, 11:55
I REALLY hope they integrate the Court into the new franchise.

Same here. The League of Assassins were an ominous background presence throughout Nolan's trilogy, and I'd like the Court of Owls to play a similar role in Reeves' films. The end of that Gotham Knights trailer illustrates just how creepy a Court of Owls film might be, and the Talons' connection to Haly's Circus would offer a fresh way of reintroducing Robin into the cinematic mythos without retreading too much ground from Batman Forever. Dick Grayson hasn't appeared in a live action movie for over twenty years now. I hope Reeves will incorporate him into this new series.

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Post by: Travesty on Thu, 27 Aug 2020, 22:45
Yeah, I love the Owls. I think they're the coolest modern addition to Batman. Snyder really hit it out of the park with that idea and how he incorporated it into the mythos so seamlessly. And then, of course, Capullo's gorgeous art really sold the creepiness of it all.

It would be so cool if they were always in the background, until Batman confronts them head-on in the third movie. A nice buildup to it all.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 27 Aug 2020, 23:03
Definitely agree. They make the Batman world even more layered and creepy.

They're getting ready for filming again, which is pleasing to see:

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/27/14/32456722-8670367-image-a-77_1598534911440.jpg)
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/27/14/32456694-8670367-image-a-88_1598535968281.jpg)

I'm looking forward to seeing a Hot Wheels Elite die cast of this.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Fri, 28 Aug 2020, 02:36
What I'm hoping for with this franchise is that it stays basically as self-contained as possible. A prequel TV show is fine. No problem. But basically, I want to keep this thing focused on Batman characters.

If the rumors are true, not only will the DCEU continue but it's quite possible that the Snyderverse is coming back. If that's so, that version of Batman can interact in a shared universe setting while TB stays in its own unique little corner without a whole lot of outside influence, non-Batman DC characters popping up, etc.

Because the more pics and stuff that come out of this production, the more convinced I become that the style that Reeves is aiming for might be damaged somehow by artificially injecting foreign-to-Batman elements and characters into it. Let's keep this one clean and immaculate, I say.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 28 Aug 2020, 03:17
There's talk about a HBO Max Catwoman show, which I'm open to.

The Batman trailer has a specific atmosphere that almost demands the Reevesverse be self contained. There's a heavy level of expressionism which cloaks every frame. Which is why I'm eager to see how they approach the Bruce Wayne/general dialogue scenes. Even when he's spying on the crowd, sitting on the motorbike, it's filmed so intensely. What will pass for banter and humor in this type of world?

I think any Batfleck HBO Max stuff would be Batman centric. If Keaton is interacting with Aquaman, Flash, Wonder Woman and these guys on the big screen, would they allow Batfleck to interact with them as well? I personally can't see it at the moment, especially with contracts.

The Snyderverse continuing via animation or a comic would be more likely. Unless there's any other developements (which is very possible based on recent history) I'll treat Flashpoint as his goodbye.

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Post by: johnnygobbs on Thu, 3 Sep 2020, 20:00
The production has apparently halted for the time being because Robert Pattinson has tested for COVID-19: https://www.superherohype.com/movies/486018-the-batman-halts-shooting-after-crew-member-tests-positive-for-covid-19 (https://www.superherohype.com/movies/486018-the-batman-halts-shooting-after-crew-member-tests-positive-for-covid-19)

Dammit 2020.  When are you going to finally give us all a break?
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Sat, 12 Sep 2020, 19:40
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhuzL5gX0AwLMG4?format=png&name=360x360)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhuzGC0X0AAvTp1?format=jpg&name=large)
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 13 Sep 2020, 00:03
I like that promo art. They've also been selling it as a t-shirt.

I saw this link talking about the design and they claim: https://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman/the_batman/the-batman-promo-art-reveals-a-new-look-at-robert-pattinsons-caped-crusader-and-the-movies-logo-a178334#gs.fzdcjw

QuoteThe colour red is clearly going to factor into this movie in a big way, but that will be a first for the character, and should look amazing on screen.
The red lining on the B66 Batmobile, the Batman Beyond aesthetic and even the B&R marketing campaign are past examples. Based on the Fandome trailer, red will feature but it's not going to be overbearing.

Filming for the movie has been going on without Robert, but he's apparently back on set next week. ‪As completely expected, young and fit Robert is totally fine, as will 99% of people who get this well marketed flu. ‬Media, of course, try to scare people even though a happy outcome further confirms this is most serious for the elderly and those with other health issues, with most people dying WITH IT rather than OF IT.

Biggest farce of all time, all the while the world economy is totally smashed by locking down the healthy. The flu has a vaccine and that cannot be eradicated, so why is eradication a sane goal for corona? What is more dangerous - a rushed vaccine or a virus with a survival rate of 99%? A virus so dangerous most have to be tested to know they have it. Fear is the virus. 500 years to flatten the curve? Those who want to do that can inside forever and wear a mask.

Anyway...excited filming is going to recommence properly soon.

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Post by: Travesty on Sun, 13 Sep 2020, 04:57
Damn, that's a nice looking poster.

Man, I'm really starting to like the Batsuit. I was totally wrong with my first impressions, and I can totally admit to that(as I always do when I'm wrong). I'm diggin it. Yeah.....I'm diggin it.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 13 Sep 2020, 05:36
Quote from: Travesty on Sun, 13 Sep  2020, 04:57
Damn, that's a nice looking poster.

Man, I'm really starting to like the Batsuit. I was totally wrong with my first impressions, and I can totally admit to that(as I always do when I'm wrong). I'm diggin it. Yeah.....I'm diggin it.
I thought you would. But nonetheless it's been a big turnaround and pleasing to see - there's nothing like genuinely anticipating something. You just weren't feeling it, but thanks to the Fandome trailer a lot of people are now digging it. I dig it too. I dig it in the morning, in the evening and every night and day. What I dig the most is Robert as Batman. As soon as his name was seriously bandied about I wanted him and nobody else for the movie. He's about four years younger than Keaton when he filmed B89, and roughly the same age as me, and similar looking. I feel a kinship with the guy and think he's going to nail it big time.
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Post by: Travesty on Sun, 13 Sep 2020, 06:32
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 13 Sep  2020, 05:36
Quote from: Travesty on Sun, 13 Sep  2020, 04:57
Damn, that's a nice looking poster.

Man, I'm really starting to like the Batsuit. I was totally wrong with my first impressions, and I can totally admit to that(as I always do when I'm wrong). I'm diggin it. Yeah.....I'm diggin it.
I thought you would. But nonetheless it's been a big turnaround and pleasing to see - there's nothing like genuinely anticipating something. You just weren't feeling it, but thanks to the Fandome trailer a lot of people are now digging it. I dig it too.
Yeah, there's just something to it. I hate to bring it around, but it's what I was hoping Nolan would do after BB. I think it has to do with the overall aesthetics, which goes a long way for me. It looks like Matt Reeves is hitting it on all cylinders, whereas Nolan wasn't doing it for me.....on many fronts. Again, I love BB, but the rest......uninspiring(for me).

Anyways, I'm loving what I'm seeing from Matt Reeves. I can't wait to see/hear more.

I'm so stoked for this movie. lol
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 13 Sep 2020, 07:22
I think it's going to be better than Begins, which is I find too much of a chore to watch. IMO this will be even darker (focused on Bruce like JOKER was focused on Arthur), with more flair and contemporary.

I bought the Definitive History of the Dark Knight book this year, and you see how every generation gets THEIR Batman. This trailer feels like what we should be getting NOW in terms of a stand-alone series.

I'm a big fan of this shot:

(https://d13ezvd6yrslxm.cloudfront.net/wp/wp-content/images/Screen-Shot-2020-08-24-at-9.41.58-AM.jpg)
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Post by: Travesty on Sun, 13 Sep 2020, 16:14
Yeah, that's a great shot. I like the overall tone and aesthetic that Reeves is going for. I also loved what he said during his Fandome panel about Gotham being a character unto itself. It's one thing that Burton nailed. I love a visually appealing Gotham, and it looks like Reeves hit it out of the park.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 13 Sep 2020, 23:24
If you have a look through Earth One volumes one and two, I think that's a close representation of what The Batman will be tonally and visually. The third volume is meant to be coming out soon, and I'm eager to see it.

(https://i.imgur.com/sX2AkUi.jpg)
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Post by: Travesty on Fri, 18 Sep 2020, 12:56
Yeah, I need to re-read Vol 1&2, it's been about 4 years since I last read them both. Just waiting around for Vol 3. lol
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 18 Sep 2020, 13:20
Rob is back on set and filming is full steam ahead. Hopefully the production continues until the end of the year and they can call a wrap. The Fandome trailer was a slam dunk, and there's so much left to film. Reeves and Pattinson know they're on the right track and just have to keep on it.

Quote from: Travesty on Fri, 18 Sep  2020, 12:56
Yeah, I need to re-read Vol 1&2, it's been about 4 years since I last read them both. Just waiting around for Vol 3. lol
I prefer Volume 2, but I think time has been kind to both, and will only prove kinder next year. They feature The Penguin, The Riddler and Catwoman, which mirrors the Reeves movie. I can easily see Serkis being an Earth One/Beware The Batman type Alfred. However a key point of difference I see is Battinson being a more competent detective, even if he's still young and learning on the job.
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Post by: The Joker on Sun, 20 Sep 2020, 03:19
Thought this was pretty cool.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiUQWfkWsAALQ4U?format=jpg&name=large)
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Post by: Travesty on Sun, 20 Sep 2020, 14:26
Yeah, those are all really good.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Sun, 20 Sep 2020, 15:21
Quote from: The Joker on Sun, 20 Sep  2020, 03:19
Thought this was pretty cool.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiUQWfkWsAALQ4U?format=jpg&name=large)

I like the homage to Wilson and Croft in the top right.

(https://cdn.britannica.com/63/177763-050-D0660C3E/Lewis-Wilson-Batman-Robin-Douglas-Croft.jpg)

If only Wilson's cowl could have looked that good in the actual serial.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Sun, 20 Sep 2020, 16:49
Quote from: The Joker on Sun, 20 Sep  2020, 03:19
Thought this was pretty cool.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiUQWfkWsAALQ4U?format=jpg&name=large)
Bermejo?
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Post by: Travesty on Sun, 20 Sep 2020, 18:02
Looks like Bermejo. If not, it's nearly identical style to his.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Sun, 20 Sep 2020, 20:23
Quote from: Travesty on Sun, 20 Sep  2020, 18:02
Looks like Bermejo. If not, it's nearly identical style to his.
This forum isn't ready for me to express the fullness of my adoration for Bermejo's work.
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Post by: BatmanFurst on Sun, 20 Sep 2020, 23:44
I just noticed that this will be the first Batman film shot digitally  :(. I liked that they were all shot on celluloid up until this point. It's the end of an era.
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Post by: Travesty on Mon, 21 Sep 2020, 01:51
That kind of stuff doesn't bug me, especially since Fincher has shown that you can still make digital look like film. And since we've seen what the movie looks like now, I have no problems with how Reeves wants to shoot it. I love the overall tone and atmosphere.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Mon, 21 Sep 2020, 02:53
I sat down to watch B89 again recently, and you realize just how much of a love story it is. Vicki is front and centre the whole time, just as much as the Joker. Chase and her relationship with Kilmer is pretty full on, and of course Rachel in Nolan's trilogy. To be honest I'd like a respite from that type of romance. I'd like Bruce shut off and possessed by the Bat demon, especially in his formative years trying to build a scary reputation. Like Affleck was during BvS, when he really embraced Batman as an outlet for vengeance.
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Post by: The Joker on Mon, 21 Sep 2020, 04:54
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sun, 20 Sep  2020, 15:21
I like the homage to Wilson and Croft in the top right.

(https://cdn.britannica.com/63/177763-050-D0660C3E/Lewis-Wilson-Batman-Robin-Douglas-Croft.jpg)

If only Wilson's cowl could have looked that good in the actual serial.

Yes indeed. Hell, now I wouldn't mind a Bermejo Batman 1943 one shot. Haha

The image in its entirety.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiY3U_sUcAAWUC4?format=jpg&name=large)
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Mon, 21 Sep 2020, 22:48
Some good news here:

It's confirmed that filming on the new #Batman movie in #Liverpool will take place from Mon 12th Oct to Fri 16th Oct, on and around the St George's Plateau area. The filming was due to start back in March, but was postponed due to lockdown. Robert Pattinson is starring as Batman.

https://twitter.com/RadioCityNews/status/1308035667725819904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1308035667725819904%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fix50mc%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dfalse

Fingers crossed for set photos.
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Post by: Travesty on Tue, 22 Sep 2020, 01:03
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 21 Sep  2020, 02:53
I sat down to watch B89 again recently, and you realize just how much of a love story it is. Vicki is front and centre the whole time, just as much as the Joker. Chase and her relationship with Kilmer is pretty full on, and of course Rachel in Nolan's trilogy. To be honest I'd like a respite from that type of romance. I'd like Bruce shut off and possessed by the Bat demon, especially in his formative years trying to build a scary reputation. Like Affleck was during BvS, when he really embraced Batman as an outlet for vengeance.
I've been saying this for about 12 years, now. lol
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Tue, 22 Sep 2020, 01:24
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 21 Sep  2020, 02:53
I sat down to watch B89 again recently, and you realize just how much of a love story it is. Vicki is front and centre the whole time, just as much as the Joker. Chase and her relationship with Kilmer is pretty full on, and of course Rachel in Nolan's trilogy. To be honest I'd like a respite from that type of romance. I'd like Bruce shut off and possessed by the Bat demon, especially in his formative years trying to build a scary reputation. Like Affleck was during BvS, when he really embraced Batman as an outlet for vengeance.
I'll buy that Rachel was an organic part of the Nolan trilogy and a major element of Bruce's character development in those films.

But Vicki and Chase really did come off like some exec or marketing wonk demanding a love story to appeal to the female segment of the audience. In the case of B89, that was probably good advice too.

I'm with you tho. It really is time to give these silly love stories a rest. If ever there was a confirmed bachelor, it really should be Bruce Wayne. Let's see some more of that.

(We won't, I'm guessing Catwoman will be some kind of love interest in TB but we can still hope)
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Tue, 22 Sep 2020, 01:41
Quote from: Travesty on Tue, 22 Sep  2020, 01:03
I've been saying this for about 12 years, now. lol
I like that B89 Bruce slept with Vicki and tried to run from a serious relationship. I like that he did run from a serious relationship, as she's gone in Returns. But indeed, I'd tone the romance down. Nothing like Bruce going to an apartment to reveal his secret identity. Early into his career, I can accept a last temptation type situation, but that's about it. But I now want them to depict a man who isn't even in that headspace. He's committed to Gotham and nothing more. Anything else is a distraction. He's an asshole to be around, as the Bat Family know all too well. Let's see that moody asshole. Fighting with Alfred is a good way to show it. Let that be Bruce's 'relationship'.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Wed, 23 Sep 2020, 12:43
Quote from: The Joker on Mon, 21 Sep  2020, 04:54Yes indeed. Hell, now I wouldn't mind a Bermejo Batman 1943 one shot. Haha

That would be awesome beyond description! The plot could fill in the gap between the 1943 and 1949 serials, explaining how Bruce went from government agent to full-fledged vigilante after WWII ended. I'm not sure there'd be much demand for something like that, but I'd dig it.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Tue, 22 Sep  2020, 01:24I'm with you tho. It really is time to give these silly love stories a rest. If ever there was a confirmed bachelor, it really should be Bruce Wayne. Let's see some more of that.

The Batman DarKnight script by Lee Shapiro and Stephen Wise tried to address this issue by centring the love story on Kirk Langstrom and his wife, thus leaving Bruce unattached throughout the film. If a romantic subplot must be included, then that's one way of handling it.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 22 Sep  2020, 01:41I like that B89 Bruce slept with Vicki and tried to run from a serious relationship.

Can you imagine how the Twitter mob would react to this if it came out today? You'd have people labelling Bruce a toxic abuser for using his privilege to take sexual advantage of Vicki when she was drunk and then ghosting her. The scale of the triggering would be monumental.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Wed, 23 Sep 2020, 13:58
Great artwork by KyleJamesFilm.

(https://i.redd.it/8z7tz89qtio51.jpg)

I get the feeling Catwoman's outfits could evolve during the film, touching upon elements of the character's history. The clown makeup goons could also possibly be some early precursor to the Joker? And it must be said, this version of the Penguin resembles Arkham Origins quite a bit.
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Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: thecolorsblend on Wed, 7 Oct 2020, 18:28
Um, so yeah. Okay then.

Anyway, to get things slightly more on topic, Doomcock has a fairly bleak report about TB's future. As usual, he says this stuff should be treated as rumor. But if half of it's true, it's not looking good, fam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n3E2lMQUXY
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 8 Oct 2020, 02:17
Not sure how many of these Youtubers I believe to tell you the truth. Faking an infection to get in shape in a matter of weeks? Big claim. But get this: the film could shut down again, but this time it'll be legitimate and not hoaxed.

I think Rob is just a quirky guy and likes trolling to liberate himself from pressure. Much like how Daniel Craig said Bond wouldn't wear a tuxedo in Casino Royale, and Fleming's book was an okay read but he tore off the cover and threw it in the bin.

Rob recently said he enjoys the idea that he could mess up Batman. It's easy for people to take these comments and make a bigger story. As with anything, it's all about the right context.

In any case the anticipation has died down for me given the delay. ZSJL is where it's at in the short term. The Batman avalanche (ZSJL, TB, Flashpoint) has been postponed, and it'll be more spread out now. Which may not be a bad thing. It is what it is. 
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Travesty on Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 11:07
*peaks head in. Walks slowly over eggshells


That rumor doesn't make sense to me. Why would Reeves be mad at Pattinson for not getting in the same size as the stunt double, when we've already seen Pattinson in the suit, along with work from the stunt double? He's already been in the suit....so has the stunt double. We know what Pattinson looks like, and what size he'll be in as Batman.

How does this make sense?

On a side note: if I offended anybody about talking about Robert Pattinson's size and weight, let me be this first to thoroughly apologize. I, in no way, intended to bodyshame anybody, I once again again apologize for any insensitivities brought on about talking about the news/rumors about Pattinson. And I also apologize about my apologies, and want to make it clear how sorry I am about apologizing. Hope to make that clear that I'm not being super duper insensitive. #Apologies
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: thecolorsblend on Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 20:26
Quote from: Travesty on Fri,  9 Oct  2020, 11:07
*peaks head in. Walks slowly over eggshells


That rumor doesn't make sense to me. Why would Reeves be mad at Pattinson for not getting in the same size as the stunt double, when we've already seen Pattinson in the suit, along with work from the stunt double? He's already been in the suit....so has the stunt double. We know what Pattinson looks like, and what size he'll be in as Batman.

How does this make sense?

On a side note: if I offended anybody about talking about Robert Pattinson's size and weight, let me be this first to thoroughly apologize. I, in no way, intended to bodyshame anybody, I once again again apologize for any insensitivities brought on about talking about the news/rumors about Pattinson. And I also apologize about my apologies, and want to make it clear how sorry I am about apologizing. Hope to make that clear that I'm not being super duper insensitive. #Apologies
No need for apologies. Pattinson has laughed about his body himself.

Your questions are fair, I think. It might be that the shots we've seen of Battinson so far didn't need him to look jacked. It might also be that this entire report is bogus. But Doomcock and Midnight's Edge are both saying the same thing right now. Maybe they're hearing the same nonsense rumors, who knows?
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 23:47
Travesty and myself know this rumor doesn't make sense because we have the first two seats reserved at the front of The Pattinson Train. Based on the response to the first trailer, the film is on the right track.

Who knows, there could be tension on set? But that's pure conjecture and even if true it could actually improve the final product, which is meant to be dark and brooding.

And something else:

If they go the Teltale route of the Waynes having a dirty past I'm okay with that. It's new and foreign to the mythos, but if anything I argue it could be even more appropriate for the character in the darker interpretations. Why?

To a small child, your parents are perfect, big people and you look up to them.
Adulthood provides context.
A questionable past gives a grey area rather than golden light.
Bruce is his own man and makes his own decisions, and their murder still compelled him to suit up.

Napier killing the Waynes. The Penguin being a sewer dweller. It's the multiverse and anything is fair game.

Quote from: Travesty on Fri,  9 Oct  2020, 11:07
On a side note: if I offended anybody about talking about Robert Pattinson's size and weight, let me be this first to thoroughly apologize. I, in no way, intended to bodyshame anybody, I once again again apologize for any insensitivities brought on about talking about the news/rumors about Pattinson. And I also apologize about my apologies, and want to make it clear how sorry I am about apologizing. Hope to make that clear that I'm not being super duper insensitive. #Apologies
A good first step. But you're going to have to make this apology every day otherwise it won't count.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Travesty on Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 20:38
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri,  9 Oct  2020, 23:47
Travesty and myself know this rumor doesn't make sense because we have the first two seats reserved at the front of The Pattinson Train.
Yes, I'm full steam ahead on The Pattinson Train.

QuoteWho knows, there could be tension on set? But that's pure conjecture and even if true it could actually improve the final product, which is meant to be dark and brooding.
Apparently it's a mix of Covid stuff and storms in the UK. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGMXMo8qMLU



QuoteA good first step. But you're going to have to make this apology every day otherwise it won't count.
This is now the burden I bare.  :D
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: thecolorsblend on Sun, 11 Oct 2020, 08:56
Quote from: Travesty on Sat, 10 Oct  2020, 20:38bare
*bear
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 11 Oct 2020, 11:20
Quote from: Travesty on Sat, 10 Oct  2020, 20:38
Yes, I'm full steam ahead on The Pattinson Train.
This Train is an excellent opportunity to flesh out Batman's early years.

A recent opinion piece makes some good points, such as:

What happens when a simple purse snatcher gets his back broken by Batman in a fit of rage?
Or a still-learning hero gets a hunch wrong, and attacks the wrong person?

In terms of an origin story, it makes total sense to show the trials and tribulations the hero endures. A Batman who learns on the job, makes mistakes and adapts. Batman Begins didn't really show that. It has the origin story prologue, but once he suits up he's more or less the final product.

In my opinion, Snyder is the only director who adequately communicated how people felt about Batman and his methods. Reeves can do this, but in reverse: a younger Batman off the chain instead of an older one. So much thematic potential with this movie.

https://screenrant.com/batman-theory-pattinson-year-2-failing-gotham-riddler/
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 02:42
Thoughts about the new set photos:

We have a very handsome and intense Bruce Wayne. I see him being one of the best.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/12/11/34287468-8830521-image-a-85_1602499021496.jpg)

The Penguin looks just about perfect as a mobster. Colin's transformation is amazing.
I wasn't keen on Kravitz but she looks great here in this attire and wig. 
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Amalgamating Liverpool, Glasgow and Chicago will be a master stroke.
Riddler supporters are at the funeral protesting. Really good to see him being treated as a serious villain with influence.

I liked how Snyder had BruceFleck driving a black Aston Martin in BvS, and I'm glad Reeves has gone the same route with his vehicle selection. It's very cool. They're more refined versions of their rugged Batmobiles, and a more brazen expressions of who Bruce is, opposed to the Lamborghinis in TDK and TDK Rises.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/12/11/34285468-8830521-image-a-47_1602497142464.jpg)
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 15 Oct 2020, 13:47
It's strange for me to see St George's Hall as Gotham City. I used to walk past it every day, and I was inside it just last year. It has some beautiful interiors that would make great filming locations.

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(https://www.greece-is.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Designed-by-CR-Cockerell-St-Georges-Hall-Liverpool-Interior-2-WIKI.jpg)

St George's Hall is also situated about three or four minute's walk from the comic book store where, long ago, I bought my copy of The Dark Knight Returns. It's also right next to Lime Street railway station, which would have made it very easy for me to go along and watch the filming. Unfortunately the day they resumed the shoot happened to be the exact same day the government announced the new Tier 3 lockdown measures, and Liverpool just happens to be the number one hotspot for COVID-19 infections right now. Typical. ::)

Oh well. Once the film's out on DVD, and these lockdowns are a thing of the past, I'll take my camera along and do a site feature documenting the filming locations and comparing how they look in real life against how they appear in the movie. If they shoot the sequels in Liverpool, as I'm hoping they will, then I'll definitely be there to watch.

Yesterday Batman was seen preparing to leap from the top of the Liver Building.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cymp9mD1Ns

Obviously they'll have to digitally remove the liver birds (replace them with gargoyles perhaps?), but this shot is going to look amazing when they've added a midnight sky to the background. I wonder if this means Pattinson's Batman will have a cape glider.

Set photos have revealed he has a gun holstered to his leg.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkOHUmjWoAIMGVh?format=jpg&name=small)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkOHUmjXgAA59Ls?format=jpg&name=900x900)

The most likely explanation is that it's his grapple gun. The TDKR Batman also carried his spear gun in a leg holster.

(https://i.postimg.cc/zB9rsshx/tdkr-holster.jpg)

Or it could be a nod to the fact the film takes place during Year Two, in which case it might be Joe Chill's gun.

(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1476125245l/32562994._SY475_.jpg)
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: BatmanFurst on Sat, 17 Oct 2020, 00:59
Comic accurate or not, I really don't like that Batsuit.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Silver Nemesis on Sat, 17 Oct 2020, 12:38
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 15 Oct  2020, 13:47
Obviously they'll have to digitally remove the liver birds (replace them with gargoyles perhaps?), but this shot is going to look amazing when they've added a midnight sky to the background. I wonder if this means Pattinson's Batman will have a cape glider.

The location work has been getting a lot of local media attention where I live over the past few days. It looks like there won't be any need to digitally alter the sky, since they shot the actual scene at night. The daytime footage must have been a rehearsal before it got dark.

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(https://i2-prod.liverpoolecho.co.uk/incoming/article19112545.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/0_JS220993704.jpg)

Here's what it looked like at night.

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(https://i2-prod.liverpoolecho.co.uk/incoming/article19112721.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/0_Batman-being-filmed-on-the-Liver-BuildingPic-Andrew-Teebay.jpg)

(https://i2-prod.liverpoolecho.co.uk/incoming/article19112725.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/1_Batman-being-filmed-on-the-Liver-BuildingPic-Andrew-Teebay.jpg)

(https://i2-prod.liverpoolecho.co.uk/incoming/article19112716.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/1_Batman-being-filmed-on-the-Liver-BuildingPic-Andrew-Teebay.jpg)

I think the delay in filming will ultimately work to the film's advantage in terms of seasonal ambience. The Glasgow footage was shot in winter, with everything looking very cold and grey. Had they filmed in Liverpool during late March, as originally intended, then it would have been brighter and more spring-like. Instead it's going to have a similar October vibe to the Descent into Mystery scene from the 1989 film, with dry leaves blowing through the streets and warm breath visible on the cold night air. Batman 89 and Batman Forever both took place around Halloween, but this could be the first Batman film to convey a truly strong Halloween atmosphere.

On a related note, extras have been spotted wearing costumes for what appears to be a Halloween party scene shot at night in the city centre.

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Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 17 Oct 2020, 13:06
Thanks for the photos, Silver.

Looks like gliding will be even more more real world than Nolan with the use of a wingsuit, at least at this early point in Batman's career. My bet is they're getting closeups and the rest of the jump will be done via CGI. Can't see why they'd have him in this attire otherwise.

This movie seems to be Battinson's first big test from a supervillain perspective, and he's still evolving in terms of tactics. This jumping stuff might be brand new to him. As such I'm actually envisioning a scene like Peter's first swing in Spider-Man (2002). Batman could take the suit off after the glide and simply continue about his business. A brave choice from Reeves regardless. He's found his niche and he's going all in.

Found this closer shot of the new Batcycle.

(https://i.ibb.co/G3Yc42L/80-C27-BC1-2838-4-F2-F-99-FE-EEF983-E7-F528.jpg)

I prefer it the Batpod. It has a more obvious bat motif, for one. But it has a boutique, Gotham By Gaslight type vibe that I find appealing.
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Post by: Azrael on Sat, 17 Oct 2020, 17:30
Yeah, I love they choose locations which look interesting. If they want to keep it real and grounded, the real world (especially Britain which seem convenient for filming) if full of ornate architecture, neoclassical, baroque, gothic revival etc. that could pose as the Gotham City some of us have in our heads, not just boring square structures and glass facades. In Avengers: Infinity War there's a scene shot in Edinburgh which looks more Gotham than half of TDK.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sat, 17 Oct  2020, 12:38
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Nosferatu?
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Silver Nemesis on Sun, 18 Oct 2020, 13:44
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 17 Oct  2020, 13:06
Found this closer shot of the new Batcycle.

(https://i.ibb.co/G3Yc42L/80-C27-BC1-2838-4-F2-F-99-FE-EEF983-E7-F528.jpg)

I prefer it the Batpod. It has a more obvious bat motif, for one. But it has a boutique, Gotham By Gaslight type vibe that I find appealing.

The single light on the front definitely reminds me of the motorcycle from the Gotham by Gaslight animated film.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/5dXFy0VjmVFG9vPbFAXmz2wA4wW5UAdqBOw6bgFObaldMsOdk1U3Sbv2jrJzoeTdlCHGMMa_2OK4g2WrOLX1ejsp5RjA8C3WH-1s-_B4TaTjdcJ31RBtjckUeoO9UPwACDQREhToZOOHyih6ncfI1w)

It also reminds me of the bike Batman rode at the beginning of The Court of Owls storyline.

(https://i.postimg.cc/gcKD8D9M/bike.jpg)

Speaking of motorbikes, Colin Farrell has been spotted riding one on location in Chicago. Eyewitnesses say he was filming a scene where Penguin pursues Catwoman.

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/18/10/34529392-8852127-image-m-78_1603012530613.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/18/10/34529378-8852127-image-a-79_1603012571239.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/18/10/34529390-8852127-image-m-89_1603012838550.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/18/10/34529388-8852127-image-a-92_1603012894394.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/18/10/34529380-8852127-image-m-91_1603012883150.jpg)

Quote from: Azrael on Sat, 17 Oct  2020, 17:30
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sat, 17 Oct  2020, 12:38
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Nosferatu?

Or perhaps Kurt Barlow from Salem's Lot?

(https://static3.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Barlow-Vs.-Orlok-Barlows-Appearance.jpg)

Incidentally, I like your new avatar, Azrael. Very seasonal.

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Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Azrael on Sun, 18 Oct 2020, 18:23
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sun, 18 Oct  2020, 13:44
Quote from: Azrael on Sat, 17 Oct  2020, 17:30
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sat, 17 Oct  2020, 12:38
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Nosferatu?

Or perhaps Kurt Barlow from Salem's Lot?

(https://static3.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Barlow-Vs.-Orlok-Barlows-Appearance.jpg)

Yeah, likely. But his design is maybe inspired by Graf Orlok, right? :)

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sun, 18 Oct  2020, 13:44
Incidentally, I like your new avatar, Azrael. Very seasonal.

(https://data.whicdn.com/images/46482898/original.gif)

Thanks! One of the all time favourite Tim Burton films, and one of the first that come up this time of the year.
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Post by: Travesty on Wed, 21 Oct 2020, 23:57
Interesting stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39WPFytdABA&t=560s
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 24 Oct 2020, 12:30
Quote from: Travesty on Wed, 21 Oct  2020, 23:57
Interesting stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39WPFytdABA&t=560s
Good video. The Superman and Wonder Woman cosplays caught me off guard but I don't think it changes much in the short term. The focus right now is a darker, realistic vibe. Generally speaking I'm a big fan of Easter eggs, and Zack Snyder is the master at them.

Tapping into the mythology makes the world feel lived in, and IMO it will be one of Snyder's biggest legacies to Batman and Superman movies. They exist as a visual treat but also serve as possible groundwork for the future. So with this Halloween night cosplay it suggests Superman and Wonder Woman are OUT THERE...but we won't see them yet. The tone of the Reeves universe could change if it goes beyond three films. They did a similar thing with The Batman (2004) cartoon series.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Sun, 25 Oct 2020, 04:37
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 24 Oct  2020, 12:30So with this Halloween night cosplay it suggests Superman and Wonder Woman are OUT THERE...but we won't see them yet.
Interesting. See, I went the other way with that. Based on exactly nothing, I assumed that other DC characters don't exist as real people in the Reevesverse, a la Nolan. I thought that the costume party thing was an Easter egg (like the Superman effigy in Watchmen) or perhaps that other DC characters exist as meta-fiction or something. The 1990 Flash TV show implied that Superman, Batman and other characters were meta-fiction in that universe and, in retrospect, I enjoy that.

And frankly, I'd be fine with that approach here. Affleck's Batman exists in a shared universe so that's covered. I rather like the idea of the Reeves Batman living in his own designated space, separate from everyone else.

But you could be right and maybe I'm misreading this.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Wed, 25 Nov 2020, 01:31
A look at the exterior of the batcave set:

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/24/11/36042436-8981479-Lair_The_Batcave_could_be_seen_as_part_of_the_film_s_vast_set-a-80_1606217515131.jpg)

ScreenRant sums it up here so I'll just quote them:

QuoteThis look at the outside the Batcave seems to contradict a previous theory about what the Batcave would look like in The Batman. Warner Bros previously released a few images and a short trailer for The Batman at DC FanDome to keep fans interested, and every frame has been picked apart for clues. Previous teasers and set photos have shown an underground train depot, which viewers had assumed was the new Batcave. But the tree-covered cliffs seen in these photos imply that the Batcave is actually a naturally occurring cave, not a subway station.

However, it is entirely possible that The Batman's Batcave could actually be both. Gotham is a unique fictional city, and it wouldn't be impossible for the movie's creators to imagine a subway station built into a naturally occurring cave.

Bunch of other set photos here, including an ice rink and buildings:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8981479/The-Batman-crew-build-sprawling-set-including-Batcave-recreate-Gotham-City.html
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Post by: Azrael on Wed, 25 Nov 2020, 20:20
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/24/12/36042422-8981479-Devil_s_in_the_detail_Part_of_the_set_was_decorated_with_cast_ir-a-3_1606221186794.jpg)

Among others, I just loved this, can't wait to see how it actually looks in the film. It's a bit like the plan of a circular temple.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Travesty on Wed, 25 Nov 2020, 23:05
So are they doing sets because of Covid? I thought they were doing on-location shooting, but I guess they're switching to sets?
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 26 Nov 2020, 02:04
Quote from: Travesty on Wed, 25 Nov  2020, 23:05
So are they doing sets because of Covid? I thought they were doing on-location shooting, but I guess they're switching to sets?
From memory, this point on it's mostly set based. Prior filmed on-location content would remain.

No doubt in my mind whatsoever this will be the best Gotham City since B89.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 26 Nov 2020, 18:35
Reeves seems to be going to great lengths to ensure a very specific identity for Gotham City in this film. He's shot location footage in three different countries, and now he's filming additional scenes on a studio lot. The final combination of these elements is going to be quite unique. I expect we're in for something special.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: thecolorsblend on Fri, 27 Nov 2020, 06:43
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 26 Nov  2020, 18:35
Reeves seems to be going to great lengths to ensure a very specific identity for Gotham City in this film. He's shot location footage in three different countries, and now he's filming additional scenes on a studio lot. The final combination of these elements is going to be quite unique. I expect we're in for something special.
At this point, I'm just hoping that somebody from WB doesn't just throw in the towel. This movie is quickly becoming the most interesting movie that we may never see. Pandemics, lockdowns, production starts-stops, etc. This is starting to remind of Gilliam's first attempt at The Man Who Killed Don Quixote.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 27 Nov 2020, 21:52
They should complete filming early next year. After the initial shutdown, it hasn't been shut down again.

Gotham could resemble Noel quite a bit with the snow:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En1R7toW8AECHPW?format=jpg&name=large)


Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: thecolorsblend on Sat, 28 Nov 2020, 00:54
Just saying that the movie theater industry is circling the drain. It's not crazy to suggest that WB might be having second thoughts about this film.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 3 Dec 2020, 12:05
True, true...but I think we'll get to see the movie.

As for any sequels, I'm on the Robin Train.

This opinion piece says it pretty well: https://www.gamesradar.com/the-batman-robin-trilogy-robert-pattinson/#comment-jump

Nolan had John Blake, hinting at a future crime fighting career we don't see.
Snyder had the magnificent Robin suit cameo. But it was just that: a cameo.

I think it's time to bring back a living, breathing COSTUMED Robin.

This is a year two Batman, so the time is ripe for something akin to Dark Victory in the sequel/s, especially if they have a time jump of two or three years. I think Dark Victory style approach would suit this Pattinson atmosphere nicely. Keep the detective stories, add in elements of Dick's origin with the circus, and you're set. Robin would especially make sense if those Alfred rumors eventuate.

Oh, and Azrael...this signature of yours is awesome.

(https://i.ibb.co/Z62GcdV/thebatman.jpg)

With Affleck and now Pattinson, the franchise has accumulated an impressive back catalogue of actors now. I'm ambivalent about Clooney, but generally, they haven't really put a foot wrong with any of the lead actors.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 3 Dec 2020, 16:04
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu,  3 Dec  2020, 12:05I think it's time to bring back a living, breathing COSTUMED Robin.

(https://i.gifer.com/8Wc7.gif)

Seriously, this is long overdue. It's now been over 25 years since a filmmaker tackled Robin's origin story in a live action theatrical movie. Since then the tale has been revisited in comics, games and animated formats, but no one's had the nerve to adapt it in a live action film. The story of how Batman and Robin met is one of the greatest chapters in the entire mythology. If the rumours are true about the Court of Owls appearing in Reeves' trilogy, then their connection to Haly's Circus would offer a great entry point for the Robin storyline.

Whatever happens, I've got confidence in Matt Reeves. He knows what he's doing and seems to be thinking along a similar path to many of us fans. I expect there's a good chance Robin will return.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu,  3 Dec  2020, 12:05Oh, and Azrael...this signature of yours is awesome.

(https://i.ibb.co/Z62GcdV/thebatman.jpg)

With Affleck and now Pattinson, the franchise has accumulated an impressive back catalogue of actors now. I'm ambivalent about Clooney, but generally, they haven't really put a foot wrong with any of the lead actors.

Azrael's always been good at creating manips and digital art. Adding Clooney to that banner would have offset its symmetry, so I think he made the right decision in leaving him out.
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Post by: Azrael on Thu, 3 Dec 2020, 19:49
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu,  3 Dec  2020, 12:05
Oh, and Azrael...this signature of yours is awesome.

With Affleck and now Pattinson, the franchise has accumulated an impressive back catalogue of actors now. I'm ambivalent about Clooney, but generally, they haven't really put a foot wrong with any of the lead actors.

Thanks, Dark Knight! Glad you like this collage. Thought about including Clooney, couldn't fit him anywhere.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Thu,  3 Dec  2020, 16:04

Azrael's always been good at creating manips and digital art. Adding Clooney to that banner would have offset its symmetry, so I think he made the right decision in leaving him out.

Thanks for your words, Silver Nemesis! You said it better than I could, another face (Clooney) would break the symmetry, and a certain "mood" I wanted.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 4 Dec 2020, 11:02
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Thu,  3 Dec  2020, 16:04
Seriously, this is long overdue. It's now been over 25 years since a filmmaker tackled Robin's origin story in a live action theatrical movie. Since then the tale has been revisited in comics, games and animated formats, but no one's had the nerve to adapt it in a live action film. The story of how Batman and Robin met is one of the greatest chapters in the entire mythology. If the rumours are true about the Court of Owls appearing in Reeves' trilogy, then their connection to Haly's Circus would offer a great entry point for the Robin storyline.

Whatever happens, I've got confidence in Matt Reeves. He knows what he's doing and seems to be thinking along a similar path to many of us fans. I expect there's a good chance Robin will return.
Long overdue, and I'm optimistic his time will come. There was a casting call for circus performers, so it's possible a seed is being planted. The Court of Owls allows this universe a ton of different plot trajectories/points of difference.

Robin would work very well with Battinson's projected arc. Learning the ropes and establishing his own career. And then teaching someone else the ropes, imparting the lessons he has learned along the way. It would be a sound way to touch upon Batman's origins without explicitly showing them in grand detail.

They could instead focus on Dick's family, and Bruce simply relates to that pain. No different to Keaton's "his parents. I hope he finds them" comment in Returns.
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Post by: Travesty on Sat, 30 Jan 2021, 17:27
Bermejo did a great Year One style poster for The Batman. He makes the suit look great here.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es7UN8IXEAM_f6E?format=jpg&name=large)
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Sat, 30 Jan 2021, 20:52
Quote from: Travesty on Sat, 30 Jan  2021, 17:27
Bermejo did a great Year One style poster for The Batman. He makes the suit look great here.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es7UN8IXEAM_f6E?format=jpg&name=large)
Bermejo is always welcome, esp when it comes to anything Batman-related. Great poster.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Mon, 1 Feb 2021, 01:01
He's one of the best artists working today.

The movie should wrap soon and chances are good we'll get some photos, or some other publicity, to mark the occasion. I'm wanting to see how they approach Wayne Manor and Alfred, so something there would be my hope.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Sat, 27 Feb 2021, 19:36
Yikes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hZ3L-CV9Gg

I really hope the part about Reeves walking away from the franchise isn't true, since his involvement with this movie and its sequels was central to my enthusiasm. If these rumours are true, then we could be in for yet another DC disaster resulting from WB mismanagement (in this case, the studio forcing Pattinson on Reeves over his preferred choice of lead). We should still get at least one good movie out of the situation, but the prospects of it leading to a trilogy or ongoing series aren't looking too good. That's if these rumours are true. Hopefully they aren't.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 27 Feb 2021, 20:32
Sounds like a joke video especially with the source being 4Chan. I don't think it's something worth reporting, as even they call it outrageous. The very specific comments they cite as coming from Reeves are a red flag to me. Time will tell, but I'm not losing sleep over it at all. With no news coming out from the production it's easy for a site like 4Chan to be a source of so called news, latching on to real life events such as Zoe breaking up with her partner and expanding upon the tale. It's not about the legitimacy of anything now, it's only if people will believe it. These YT channels are hit and miss, I think. Some things eventuate but a lot doesn't.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Sat, 27 Feb 2021, 21:02
I think one of the challenges with this movie is the breathless coverage of virtually everything Pattinson says. He seems to enjoy trolling and saying outrageous things as a joke that then get reported on in serious tones.

For all anybody knows, the production hiccups have only related to the pandemic and all these rumors about Pattinson being out on the outs with Reeves could be a bunch of bs. But it's easy to believe stories about a bonkers production when all this other stuff is flying around. I'd like to believe it's all a tempest in a tea kettle.

The fact a lot of this gossip originates from 4chan isn't helping things.

Personally, I kind of enjoy the chaos and the madness. But all this stuff could work against the movie's box office, ultimately.

In the end, I rather enjoy the European gothic thing Reeves seems to be bringing to the production. I think this is an approach well worth exploring to its absolute fullest. But even if all we get is one movie from him, well, I'll take what I can get.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 28 Feb 2021, 00:28
The crux of this 4Chan allegation is Pattinson getting down with Zoe on the Batmobile. And? I'd say good for him. It would be a very Miller Batman thing to do. Reeves should've reserved the car sooner if he wanted to use it for the same purpose. If Zoe isn't visibly pregnant soon, because the post says she is, the post is a steaming pile.

How many of these YouTubers had the advance scoop on WB and Jar Jar Abrams knifing Cavill for a reboot?

At this point I have no serious reason to think any of the troubles are caused by something other than flu lockdowns. After the main production shutdown it's been relative smooth sailing. The film is still wrapping sometime around March and there's a chance we'll get something to mark the occasion. Reeves is still a producer on GCPD, so he's committed to the universe long term in any case.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 13 Mar 2021, 13:18
(https://i.redd.it/e2w35fn5ism61.jpg)
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Sun, 14 Mar 2021, 03:11
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 13 Mar  2021, 13:18
(https://i.redd.it/e2w35fn5ism61.jpg)
If the rumors are to be believed, key people in this production are probably relieved.

Either way, it's probably a safe bet that we can expect at least a teaser or something in the next few months. In time for Comic Con would be my guess.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 14 Mar 2021, 04:20
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Sun, 14 Mar  2021, 03:11
If the rumors are to be believed, key people in this production are probably relieved.
"He is such an incredible actor, what he's doing is gonna blow people's mind."- Matt Reeves on Robert Pattinson, retweeted by the man himself.

"I've finished filming on that. I directed the Chicago second unit. It was an absolute blast. Again, it's playing in a much, much bigger sandbox than The Devil Below, but a lot of the same techniques and ideas apply. I love doing both giant movies and little movies. They're all fun, but I've always loved working with Matt Reeves, and that's another project, like Loki, which is going to be incredible. They're both phenomenal projects." - Bradley Parker, second unit director on The Batman.

https://comicbook.com/dc/news/the-batman-crew-member-teases-phenomenal-robert-pattinson-movie/


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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Fri, 16 Apr 2021, 17:53
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsAIQY_2PEo
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Fri, 16 Apr 2021, 19:24
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Fri, 16 Apr  2021, 17:53
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsAIQY_2PEo
I never had a problem with the live action trailer. But that animated one is somehow even better. I'd be just as excited for this movie if it was animated in that exact style as I am for the live action version. Great find, thx for sharing.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 1 May 2021, 12:10
A small scale Hot Wheels Batmobile with new promo art. I'm feeling it.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0RntijUYAc5QQ-?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0R4aVkXoAEtucF?format=jpg&name=small)

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Post by: The Joker on Wed, 5 May 2021, 01:18
Admittedly, I've been slowly coming around on this Batmobile over time.

Initially, I was kinda, "ehhh", or just indifferent, as this interpretation doesn't really scream BATMAN when looking at it,  but I'm getting more willing to roll with it to be perfectly honest.

I recall having similar initial reactions to the tumbler, and Hardys Bane. Both of which were aesthetically jarring in their appearance, but work well within the framework.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Wed, 5 May 2021, 02:01
Quote from: The Joker on Wed,  5 May  2021, 01:18
Admittedly, I've been slowly coming around on this Batmobile over time.

Initially, I was kinda, "ehhh", or just indifferent, as this interpretation doesn't really scream BATMAN when looking at it,  but I'm getting more willing to roll with it to be perfectly honest.

I recall having similar initial reactions to the tumbler, and Hardys Bane. Both of which were aesthetically jarring in their appearance, but work well within the framework.
I like it for a few reasons.

1. It could feasibly belong to anyone - not necessarily a billionaire or ex-military type.
2. It leaves room for future modification over the series by Bruce or Alfred.

Do I want Pattinson to be gifted equipment like Baleman? No.
Should a Year Two Batman be driving around in a finished product, 20 year veteran Batfleckmobile? No.

So as you say it works within the framework. After B&R the franchise wanted to go hard the other way with full military to shake off the light and bright atmosphere. I get that. But I like that the Battinsonmobile has a real world aesthetic but at least attempts to resemble a car in the traditional sense. 
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Wed, 5 May 2021, 13:08
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed,  5 May  2021, 02:01
Quote from: The Joker on Wed,  5 May  2021, 01:18
Admittedly, I've been slowly coming around on this Batmobile over time.

Initially, I was kinda, "ehhh", or just indifferent, as this interpretation doesn't really scream BATMAN when looking at it,  but I'm getting more willing to roll with it to be perfectly honest.

I recall having similar initial reactions to the tumbler, and Hardys Bane. Both of which were aesthetically jarring in their appearance, but work well within the framework.
I like it for a few reasons.

1. It could feasibly belong to anyone - not necessarily a billionaire or ex-military type.
2. It leaves room for future modification over the series by Bruce or Alfred.

Do I want Pattinson to be gifted equipment like Baleman? No.
Should a Year Two Batman be driving around in a finished product, 20 year veteran Batfleckmobile? No.

So as you say it works within the framework. After B&R the franchise wanted to go hard the other way with full military to shake off the light and bright atmosphere. I get that. But I like that the Battinsonmobile has a real world aesthetic but at least attempts to resemble a car in the traditional sense.
I guess I'm a simpler man because I simply bought into it right away. I've wanted a car aesthetic back for the Batmobile for a long time. Reeves is giving me that and that's enough for me.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Wed, 5 May 2021, 13:31
There's a brief clip out there which shows this new image of Selina.

(https://i.redd.it/65kgw8fw8ax61.jpg)

Selina isn't just a burglar who resembles a cat. She really does like cats and it's integral to what the character is all about. Thanks to Matt Reeves for taking that extra step - it's what separates the characters from generic imitations.
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Post by: Gotham Knight on Wed, 5 May 2021, 13:36
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Wed,  5 May  2021, 13:08
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed,  5 May  2021, 02:01
Quote from: The Joker on Wed,  5 May  2021, 01:18
Admittedly, I've been slowly coming around on this Batmobile over time.

Initially, I was kinda, "ehhh", or just indifferent, as this interpretation doesn't really scream BATMAN when looking at it,  but I'm getting more willing to roll with it to be perfectly honest.

I recall having similar initial reactions to the tumbler, and Hardys Bane. Both of which were aesthetically jarring in their appearance, but work well within the framework.
I like it for a few reasons.

1. It could feasibly belong to anyone - not necessarily a billionaire or ex-military type.
2. It leaves room for future modification over the series by Bruce or Alfred.

Do I want Pattinson to be gifted equipment like Baleman? No.
Should a Year Two Batman be driving around in a finished product, 20 year veteran Batfleckmobile? No.

So as you say it works within the framework. After B&R the franchise wanted to go hard the other way with full military to shake off the light and bright atmosphere. I get that. But I like that the Battinsonmobile has a real world aesthetic but at least attempts to resemble a car in the traditional sense.
I guess I'm a simpler man because I simply bought into it right away. I've wanted a car aesthetic back for the Batmobile for a long time. Reeves is giving me that and that's enough for me.

And lets not forget the comic Batmobile has gone through periods where it's just literally a sports car.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 6 May 2021, 01:24
Pattinson likeness comparison from Night Cries (1992).

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzCc7ZfXEAE1zTM.jpg:large)

Quote from: Gotham Knight on Wed,  5 May  2021, 13:36
And lets not forget the comic Batmobile has gone through periods where it's just literally a sports car.
Yep. Reeves hints at rear fins in a subtle way, which is more than what the Tumbler attempted. The fire emerging from the vents as per the promo art is a nice theatrical touch. Like the Batfleckmobile (my personal favorite), this is something you could feel comfortable ramming other vehicles with. It's not a perfectly shiny work of art.
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Post by: Travesty on Wed, 19 May 2021, 12:45
This just leaked. A better version of The Riddler. Some people are a bit confused, but it looks exactly like what was in the trailer, so I'm not surprised. Looks good to me.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1tRVALXsAYykuN?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Wed, 19 May 2021, 13:03
Wtf?
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Wed, 19 May 2021, 13:06
Quote from: Travesty on Wed, 19 May  2021, 12:45
This just leaked. A better version of The Riddler. Some people are a bit confused, but it looks exactly like what was in the trailer, so I'm not surprised. Looks good to me.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1tRVALXsAYykuN?format=jpg&name=medium)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p3FsA0olbQ
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Post by: Travesty on Wed, 19 May 2021, 13:23
And this leaked too. https://twitter.com/mattlikesfilm/status/1394787293316124672?s=21
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Post by: Travesty on Wed, 19 May 2021, 13:41
And more. I like the lighting here. You get a really good look at the Batsuit.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1tCFz-VcAAaa0s?format=jpg&name=large)
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Wed, 19 May 2021, 14:49
Quote from: Travesty on Wed, 19 May  2021, 12:45
Some people are a bit confused, but it looks exactly like what was in the trailer, so I'm not surprised. Looks good to me
I'm not in the least bit surprised either. It's a hard departure from Jim Carrey's incarnation, and that would be the point. In fact, it's a hard departure from any prior incarnation of the Riddler. I'm not seeing that as a bad thing because I want the Zodiac factor amped up as much as possible. It's very easy to take the Riddler and make him as terrifying as the Joker in his own way.

Quote from: Travesty on Wed, 19 May  2021, 13:41
And more. I like the lighting here. You get a really good look at the Batsuit.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1tCFz-VcAAaa0s?format=jpg&name=large)
He's looking good.
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Post by: BatmanFurst on Wed, 19 May 2021, 17:50
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Wed, 19 May  2021, 13:03
Wtf?
This is my reaction as well. At first I thought this was a picture of the Zodiac Killer.
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Post by: Travesty on Wed, 19 May 2021, 19:29
I'm seeing a lot of that, but I don't get it....that's what he looked like in the trailer. What changed for some of you?
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Post by: The Joker on Fri, 21 May 2021, 02:58
Quote from: Gotham Knight on Wed,  5 May  2021, 13:36
And lets not forget the comic Batmobile has gone through periods where it's just literally a sports car.

... And that's when Bats gets his wheels stolen.

With Riddler, he looks like a gimp merged with the Zodiac Killer. It's different that's for sure. Different being good, or bad will be entirely up to the reception the movie has. Hell, I remember first laying eyes on Tom Hardy's Bane, and thinking he literally looked like something straight out of Mortal Kombat that lacked any semblance whatsoever of the classic lucha libre mask Bane had always been incorporated with. That wasn't really something I considered a positive in my initial reaction, but eventually got accustomed to it. Now it's probably considered more or less the iconic look for Bane by most of the general public. For better or worse.

With this Riddler, I don't see this decidedly different interpretation overtaking the more classic Gorshin/Carrey Riddler (I'll throw in TAS Riddler for sure) aesthetic in the public consciousness since Riddler is a very well established Bat villain with the public (which was arguable with Bane), but it'll be very distinctive to what the Earth-2 Reevesverse is aiming for.

That's what matters most.
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Post by: Travesty on Fri, 21 May 2021, 13:55
Quote from: The Joker on Fri, 21 May  2021, 02:58


With Riddler, he looks like a gimp merged with the Zodiac Killer. It's different that's for sure. Different being good, or bad will be entirely up to the reception the movie has. Hell, I remember first laying eyes on Tom Hardy's Bane, and thinking he literally looked like something straight out of Mortal Kombat that lacked any semblance whatsoever of the classic lucha libre mask Bane had always been incorporated with. That wasn't really something I considered a positive in my initial reaction, but eventually got accustomed to it. Now it's probably considered more or less the iconic look for Bane by most of the general public. For better or worse.

I would actually say that winter jacket and mercenary attire are more iconic to the general public. In the comics or games, he still rocks the luchador mask.
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Post by: Gotham Knight on Fri, 21 May 2021, 16:03
Quote from: The Joker on Fri, 21 May  2021, 02:58
Quote from: Gotham Knight on Wed,  5 May  2021, 13:36
And lets not forget the comic Batmobile has gone through periods where it's just literally a sports car.

... And that's when Bats gets his wheels stolen.

With Riddler, he looks like a gimp merged with the Zodiac Killer. It's different that's for sure. Different being good, or bad will be entirely up to the reception the movie has. Hell, I remember first laying eyes on Tom Hardy's Bane, and thinking he literally looked like something straight out of Mortal Kombat that lacked any semblance whatsoever of the classic lucha libre mask Bane had always been incorporated with. That wasn't really something I considered a positive in my initial reaction, but eventually got accustomed to it. Now it's probably considered more or less the iconic look for Bane by most of the general public. For better or worse.

With this Riddler, I don't see this decidedly different interpretation overtaking the more classic Gorshin/Carrey Riddler (I'll throw in TAS Riddler for sure) aesthetic in the public consciousness since Riddler is a very well established Bat villain with the public (which was arguable with Bane), but it'll be very distinctive to what the Earth-2 Reevesverse is aiming for.

That's what matters most.

I think it is worth noting that one reason (among many I'm sure) for such a change and look for the character might be that this version of Riddler is not actually the man we know. It is entirely possible that this man isn't Edward Nygma, hence the full face mask and emphasis on the mystery. The mystery might be a hard sell to the audience if it just ends up being Eddie. I sense (and I could be wrong) that the Riddler is being reformatted to have a really personal connection to Batman. I think someone mentioned Hush as a possible amalgam and it makes sense to tie characters closer together. It is a typical movie trope that is a trope because it works. Comic book adaptations do it a lot, too. Batman as well. Jack Napier and the Demon's Head are a couple of examples. Heck even the Riddler in Batman Forever does this to a great extent. Nygma has a para social relationship with Bruce Wayne. The Batman might be aiming to for a more extensive reconfiguration, one that might not allow for the name Nygma except perhaps as an alias. 

I think it's because movies that are made in this style, what I'll the old style of super hero movies, where universes are finite, every 'big villain of the movie' has to have an arch-nemesis feel. They have to matter, and the easiest way for a villain to matter is to have a literal connection to the hero. In comics and in the MCU style, there is much less need for that because you have a perpetual serial. Villains can be much more expendable or get big by gaining traction in multiple appearances
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Post by: The Joker on Fri, 21 May 2021, 22:32
Quote from: Travesty on Fri, 21 May  2021, 13:55
I would actually say that winter jacket and mercenary attire are more iconic to the general public. In the comics or games, he still rocks the luchador mask.

Possibly. Although it sure seems like Bane cosplayers typically go with the Hardy mask over the classic lucha mask 9 times out of 10 at conventions. I would also gage that it's highly likely anyone going as Bane for Halloween is probably going with the Hardy mask over anything remotely like the comic book Bane mask. It's kinda one of those things where the different approach to the look is outside the norm, until it becomes the norm. The Joker, for instance, was 99% of the time depicted fairly clean cut and much like how he was for decades prior to 2008. Post-The Dark Knight, cosplayers and fan art oftentimes had the Joker decidedly influenced by Ledger's Joker where the makeup was messy, longer hair, scars, overall generally unkempt appearance ect ect. Something of which still prevails to this day (Leto's Knightmare Joker decidedly being more Ledgery in appearance).

Gotham Knight: I can see how the Reeves Riddler might not ultimately be revealed as the Edward from the comic books, but that's a risky Mandarin/Trevor move by Reeves if that actually proves to be the case here. However, one that's not without precedent as you say. I still recall reading erroneous rumors about Nolan's Batman back in the day, in that Nolan was going to bypass Harvey Dent appearing, and have Rachel Dawes become a version of Two-Face following Batman Begins. Well, that's one way of changing things up a bit, and that sort of character reconfiguration may have worked well enough within a finite set of films, but how well received something like that would have been is anyone's guess. Personally, I can't imagine it would have gone over any better than the whole Mandarin/Trevor debacle. Especially so with Two-Face being a much more known villain to the public than whatever the Mandarin had ever experienced prior to his (sorta) inclusion with Iron Man 3.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 22 May 2021, 03:25
Quote from: Gotham Knight on Fri, 21 May  2021, 16:03
I think it is worth noting that one reason (among many I'm sure) for such a change and look for the character might be that this version of Riddler is not actually the man we know. It is entirely possible that this man isn't Edward Nygma, hence the full face mask and emphasis on the mystery. The mystery might be a hard sell to the audience if it just ends up being Eddie. I sense (and I could be wrong) that the Riddler is being reformatted to have a really personal connection to Batman.
Even if he's not a known family friend, a connection to the Wayne's seems very likely. Perhaps Bruce's father was a Court of Owls member, and the high profile people Nashton kills are associates. Those associates could have directly or indirectly caused serious pain to Nashton's family. As for the mask, I think the mouth area could be a deliberate design choice in terms of people telling lies, which is what he's obsessed about here. Making a point of undoing those mouth straps before he speaks to people could be interesting.
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Post by: Travesty on Tue, 25 May 2021, 15:55
Looks like his gauntlets are for his grapple gun.

(https://i.imgur.com/zJabV7j.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/T7HvrKX.png)
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Mon, 9 Aug 2021, 08:36
Came across this. The junior novel will contain "the exciting prequel story of Bruce Wayne's early adventures on his way to becoming The Batman".

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/667187/the-batman-the-deluxe-junior-novel-special-edition-the-batman-by-random-house/
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Post by: Travesty on Mon, 9 Aug 2021, 14:03
Yeah, I'll read that.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Wed, 25 Aug 2021, 10:23
Footage was shown at CinemaCon. Via The Wrap:

"The featurette, followed by the DC Fandome trailer released last year, opened with what looks like chaos, with Robert Pattinson's Bruce Wayne walking through Gotham. From there, he rises, and we hear Reeves promise an "emotional Batman movie" that we've never seen before. He also said it's going to be "radically different" from any other Batman movie we've seen before."

Bring it all on. Here's the link: https://www.thewrap.com/robert-pattinsons-dark-knight-rises-in-the-batman-cinemacon-footage/
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Post by: Travesty on Wed, 25 Aug 2021, 19:07
Yeah, I saw that on twitter earlier today.

I can't wait for a new trailer or something. It's been too long.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 27 Aug 2021, 10:47
I've seen the film described as The Dark Knight meets Joker, being "a very dark and angry film."

The element that excites me the most is Ego, which depicts a psychological wrestle between Bruce and Batman. If they put a big focus on that I think Pattinson can absolutely do for Batman what Phoenix did for the Joker. The way I felt after that first trailer, coupled with the hype talk from Reeves and also Pattinson, is selling me on the idea The Batman will be something very different that perhaps will redefine the franchise. Which would be an achievement for a character that's been around over 80 years now.

The Art of The Batman book has been listed too, which contains 224 pages of goodness.

https://www.amazon.com/Art-Batman-James-Field/dp/1419762109/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&qid=1630060527&refinements=p_27%3AJames+Field&s=books&sr=1-1
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Fri, 24 Sep 2021, 19:23
https://www.fortressofsolitude.co.za/tom-welling-wants-to-return-as-superman/amp

Tom Welling's comment is making the rounds again. And I truly don't recall if it was ever discussed around here.

Quote from: Tom Welling"My buddy Rob Pattinson, he's going to be the new Batman. It would be fun to be the Superman that shows up in his movie, just because he's a friend of mine."
However much credibility you want to give that.

I'll go out on a limb and suggest that I'm the biggest Smallville fan on this whole board. And yet, I don't have any real desire to see Welling be Superman for real. I mean, maybe I did fifteen years ago. But (A) he's not getting any younger and (B) the CW Crisis On Infinite Earths left a bad taste in my mouth.

But even if I'm open to Welling as Superman anymore, I'd prefer for The Batman to be as separate from the rest of the DC on screen chaos as possible. I see how Welling benefits from being associated with the Reevesverse. But I don't see how the Reevesverse benefits from being associated with Welling.

Anyway, just wanted to toss this out there and see what comes back to me.
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Post by: johnnygobbs on Fri, 8 Oct 2021, 15:00
For anyone who's interested, some new Lego sets for The Batman have been previewed at the following Instagram page: https://www.instagram.com/batsource/?hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/batsource/?hl=en)

Some of these sets give us a clue how the characters might look, and possible plot points.
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Post by: Travesty on Fri, 8 Oct 2021, 15:31
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Fri,  8 Oct  2021, 15:00
For anyone who's interested, some new Lego sets for The Batman have been previewed at the following Instagram page: https://www.instagram.com/batsource/?hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/batsource/?hl=en)

Some of these sets give us a clue how the characters might look, and possible plot points.
Nice! Looks like we have a fully bearded Alfred, and The Riddler's symbol/question mark looks very much like The Zodiac's symbol, which should be of no surprise, since his costume looks like it, too.

The Batcave looks very much like what we saw in the first trailer, too.

Good stuff. Can't wait to see more merch come out when we get closer to the release.
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Post by: johnnygobbs on Fri, 8 Oct 2021, 15:39
Quote from: Travesty on Fri,  8 Oct  2021, 15:31
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Fri,  8 Oct  2021, 15:00
For anyone who's interested, some new Lego sets for The Batman have been previewed at the following Instagram page: https://www.instagram.com/batsource/?hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/batsource/?hl=en)

Some of these sets give us a clue how the characters might look, and possible plot points.
Nice! Looks like we have a fully bearded Alfred, and The Riddler's symbol/question mark looks very much like The Zodiac's symbol, which should be of no surprise, since his costume looks like it, too.

The Batcave looks very much like what we saw in the first trailer, too.

Good stuff. Can't wait to see more merch come out when we get closer to the release.
Since my last post, they've put up all four forthcoming Lego sets on the main Lego site.

You can see them all here:

https://www.lego.com/en-gb/product/the-batman-batmobile-42127 (https://www.lego.com/en-gb/product/the-batman-batmobile-42127)

https://www.lego.com/en-gb/product/batcave-the-riddler-face-off-76183 (https://www.lego.com/en-gb/product/batcave-the-riddler-face-off-76183)

https://www.lego.com/en-gb/product/batmobile-the-penguin-chase-76181 (https://www.lego.com/en-gb/product/batmobile-the-penguin-chase-76181)

https://www.lego.com/en-gb/product/batman-selina-kyle-motorcycle-pursuit-76179 (https://www.lego.com/en-gb/product/batman-selina-kyle-motorcycle-pursuit-76179)

I don't think too much is given away here that we didn't already know from the trailer (but the 'Riddler Face-Off' set does appear to confirm that Andy Serkis' Alfred will have a beard, and, for what it's worth, I think the Bruce Wayne, James Gordon and Selina Kyle minifigs look particularly good), still, it's nice to get a clearer idea what The Batmobile and The Batcave will look like, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were any Easter Eggs in the 'Riddler Face-Off' set.
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Post by: Travesty on Fri, 8 Oct 2021, 15:54
Ohhh, there's also a Bat signal.

Nice!  8)
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Fri, 8 Oct 2021, 17:14
Quote from: Travesty on Fri,  8 Oct  2021, 15:31Nice! Looks like we have a fully bearded Alfred, and The Riddler's symbol/question mark looks very much like The Zodiac's symbol, which should be of no surprise, since his costume looks like it, too.
I'm fine with it since the parallels between the Riddler and the Zodiac are pretty obvious.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 9 Oct 2021, 00:12
"When Batman ventures out on his motorcycle, he can disguise himself as his alter ego, The Drifter."

Well, this seems to be their own version of Matches Malone. But perhaps in the spirit of Clint Eastwood. Some mysterious street identity who rides around on his motorized steed, silently observing and having his own reputation in the underworld. If that's the plan, consider me on board.

The Batcave will look great, I'm sure. I'm more interested in the Wayne Manor situation. We've seen or heard nothing about it, which makes me question their plans for it. Hopefully the new trailer sheds some light on that.
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Post by: Travesty on Sat, 9 Oct 2021, 15:39
Yeah, we saw Matches/Drifter in the trailer and in spy shots, which makes sense, since Wayne is a well known billionaire, so he has to walk around or ride his motorcycle with a mask on. And it seems even more plausible in this new Covid era we're in.

I like it.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 14 Oct 2021, 13:21
A tease of the Fandome trailer, with Rob whispering "it's not just a signal, it's a warning."

https://twitter.com/TheBatman/status/1448634751565410307

The voice is excellent. Natural and ghostly. More akin to Keaton and Kilmer.
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Post by: Travesty on Thu, 14 Oct 2021, 13:47
Yeah, I like it. I really like that batsignal tease, too. The red theme is so strong. Very unique for a live action Batman.

Can't wait for Saturday with the new trailer. Expect me to be going ape sh*t around here.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Thu, 14 Oct 2021, 14:43
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 14 Oct  2021, 13:21
A tease of the Fandome trailer, with Rob whispering "it's not just a signal, it's a warning."

https://twitter.com/TheBatman/status/1448634751565410307

The voice is excellent. Natural and ghostly. More akin to Keaton and Kilmer.
The nature of the bat signal needed to change in the modern world. It's not just for summoning Batman anymore; it's for striking fear in the bad guys. Nolan hinted at that in TDK but it seems like Reeves is making it more explicit. Which is perfectly welcome, if you ask me.

The red is a nice touch too. Stylized and, in-universe, probably more likely to catch everybody's attention.

Still digging Pattinson's voice too. I reassert that this movie is shaping up to be something special.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 14 Oct 2021, 15:42
Quote from: Travesty on Thu, 14 Oct  2021, 13:47Can't wait for Saturday with the new trailer. Expect me to be going ape sh*t around here.

Imagine if we get a new trailer for The Batman and a glimpse of Keaton in his new Batsuit. The level of excitement around here is going to be palpable.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 14 Oct  2021, 14:43The nature of the bat signal needed to change in the modern world. It's not just for summoning Batman anymore; it's for striking fear in the bad guys. Nolan hinted at that in TDK but it seems like Reeves is making it more explicit. Which is perfectly welcome, if you ask me.

I always liked the idea of the Bat-Signal being like an air raid siren. When it appears in the sky above Gotham, the entire city tenses up with fear. Parents order their kids to hurry inside. Citizens bolt their doors and put something cheerful on the TV or radio to distract them from what's happening outside. Anyone heading for a night on the town quickly changes their plans and makes for the nearest safe refuge. When the Bat-Signal appears, it signifies that the Batman's on his way – and that means something very, very bad is going down.
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Post by: Travesty on Thu, 14 Oct 2021, 17:41
Matt Reeves posted this image on twitter. I love the way Gotham looks. Absolutely love it!

(https://i.imgur.com/G5cNWRZ.jpg)
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 14 Oct 2021, 20:25
The signal pretty much always served the dual purpose of alerting Batman but also inspiring dread into villains. But it's being made more explicitly clear, which works a lot better in darker interpretations. In the modern world it's more believable Batman has instant real time crime alerts that get sent to electronic equipment, and the like. But it's vitally important the concept of a signal is retained, because it's traditional Batman. It needs to stay.

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Post by: Travesty on Fri, 15 Oct 2021, 17:04
New images. I love The riddler pic. Looks so damn creepy.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBs8-vLUUAIm94F?format=jpg&name=small)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBs8-vNVgAEYGf1?format=jpg&name=small)
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 15 Oct 2021, 21:50
I like those, particularly Batman's. It has the spirit of the Begins teasers while having a completely different palette.

Reeves tweeted this image of Selina:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBwsyULVQAUqXsj?format=jpg&name=large)

The lighting in all the shots drenches them in a permanent atmosphere of darkness, which is impressive. If the movie can keep that up for the near three hours we will have a Batman movie unlike any other.
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Post by: Travesty on Fri, 15 Oct 2021, 22:09
Yeah, I'm absolutely loving the overall atmosphere and tone, which is something I really hated about TDK and TDKR. It was way too sterile for me, but Matte Reeves seems to have gotten it right. Very gritty.

And yeah, Selina looks great in that pic.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 15 Oct 2021, 22:22
The film being narrated by Pattinson will be one of the main things that sets this apart. It not just allows Batman to drive the film from his perspective, but it's a comic book brought to life. Comics are all about internal monologues being placed over art panels. It's a really exciting mix having something so dark and real but presented through the prism of rich atmosphere.
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Post by: Travesty on Sat, 16 Oct 2021, 20:42
Oh

my

god!

Holy sh*t, that trailer knocked it out the water. I can't believe how good this movie looks. I'm soooooo happy right now.

Wow!

Wow, wow, wow!

Goddamn, this looks so good.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Sat, 16 Oct 2021, 20:44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71PwHJW9o9M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKm-0SNU1nE
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Post by: Travesty on Sat, 16 Oct 2021, 20:48
I want that 4K version.

Well, looks like I'm doing nothing but rewatching this trailer all night. I'm so happy with everything I'm seeing!
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Sat, 16 Oct 2021, 20:52
This was hands down the best part of the entire FanDome event. The trailer was great. The cinematography is superb, Battinson looks unstoppable, and that's got to be the best live action Gotham since the Burton era.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 16 Oct 2021, 20:53
This looks like one of the best Batman movies of all time. My instant impression is that it seems to be on a whole other level to the other films. Very, very impressive.
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Post by: Travesty on Sat, 16 Oct 2021, 20:56
I can't believe how much I love the Batsuit and Batmobile. I remember hating them when we got the first looks at them. Not anymore.

I love what Matt Reeves has done here. Gotham looks so scary.

Bah, I love it!
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 16 Oct 2021, 21:00
Pattinson needs to do at least three films. I can see why they're going all in with his universe. I think we're barely going to see Wayne Manor here, and he's going to spend the majority of his time in the cave. I feel the energy of the Arkham Origins Batman in his aggression, the way he moves and the combat. The cinematography is flawless, and has a level of slickness I don't think we've seen to this extent. The movie is shaping up to be even better than I expected.
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Post by: Travesty on Sat, 16 Oct 2021, 21:04
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 16 Oct  2021, 21:00
The movie is shaping up to be even better than I expected.
That's an understatement.
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Post by: Travesty on Sat, 16 Oct 2021, 21:07
The part at 1:39, where they're just unloading bullets into him, and he's walking slowly, as he takes them down.

Bah, it's so good.

I love the fight stye that Pattinson has. *chef's kiss
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 16 Oct 2021, 21:17
Serkis is near identical to his Earth One counterpart. Kravitz has grown on me, and in terms of screen time and character development I'm sure she'll be much better than Hathaway. This version of Gotham is exactly the type of thing we wanted during the Nolan era. A real world but make it feel otherworldly. The whole production has a freshness about it that is hard to deny.
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Post by: Travesty on Sat, 16 Oct 2021, 21:22
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 16 Oct  2021, 21:17
This version of Gotham is exactly the type of thing we wanted during the Nolan era. A real world but make it feel otherworldly. The whole production has a freshness about it that is hard to deny.
Absolutely. It's something that BB was going towards, but then with TDK and TDKR, Gotham just looked way too clean and sterile.

But who cares now, cause Matt Reeves has given us a fantastic looking Gotham.

So good!
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 16 Oct 2021, 21:23
Also, the music works perfectly. A classical styled, orchestrated theme hits different.
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Post by: Travesty on Sat, 16 Oct 2021, 21:31
The build up of the score at the end, as he's walking slowly towards Penguin's car.

It's frightening.
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Post by: The Joker on Sat, 16 Oct 2021, 21:42

Looks top notch. To say the VERY least!
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Sat, 16 Oct 2021, 22:22
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sat, 16 Oct  2021, 20:52
This was hands down the best part of the entire FanDome event. The trailer was great. The cinematography is superb, Battinson looks unstoppable, and that's got to be the best live action Gotham since the Burton era.
That trailer justifies all the positive feelings I've had about this movie.

This thing is going to be HUGE.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 17 Oct 2021, 00:59
Between Snyder and Reeves, this is exactly how Batman should be fighting in live action. This is the standard now. What I'm excited about is the fact we're getting a Batman movie, not a Bruce Wayne movie. The idea that every waking minute is spent thinking about the mission in a hyper obsessed way, to the point "I don't care what happens to me." Pattinson is going to shoot up my actor rankings very quickly indeed.
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Post by: Travesty on Sun, 17 Oct 2021, 02:25
Pattinson vs Joaquin: make it happen!

*I know it wont happen, but make it happen
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 17 Oct 2021, 02:39
I brightened this shot up from the behind the scenes preview:

(https://i.ibb.co/MSJzRS1/ABA139-E9-A273-4-D17-9666-8-BDEA89-AD5-D6.jpg)

Looks like Batman standing next to Alfred, going down into a garage full of cars. The last Batman to have a fleet this impressive was Kilmer.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Sun, 17 Oct 2021, 03:35
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 17 Oct  2021, 00:59
Between Snyder and Reeves, this is exactly how Batman should be fighting in live action. This is the standard now. What I'm excited about is the fact we're getting a Batman movie, not a Bruce Wayne movie. The idea that every waking minute is spent thinking about the mission in a hyper obsessed way, to the point "I don't care what happens to me." Pattinson is going to shoot up my actor rankings very quickly indeed.
I think that's very clever too.  Because it gives the character somewhere to go for a sequel.
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Post by: Catwoman on Sun, 17 Oct 2021, 06:35
All I can say after that trailer is "Oh hell yes." I can't wait.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 17 Oct 2021, 12:05
This Batman feels like Darth Vader charging through the hallway in Rogue One like an unstoppable monster. When iconic characters reboot there is always pressure to keep the legacy going, and in a satisfactory way. Reeves has absolutely gone above and beyond. I'm not worried about the future of Batman movies with this team. Nolan's trilogy feels like a launchpad for something greater.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Sun, 17 Oct 2021, 18:56
Bat-Keaton and Baleman were both staggered by close-range handgun fire.

(https://i.postimg.cc/3JY9Cd8c/keaton-shot.gif)

(https://i.postimg.cc/4ybPRT5P/bale-shot.gif)

Battinson's tanking close-range rifle fire and he isn't even slowing his gait. I don't know what his armour's made of, but it looks like it's a step above anything we've seen before.

(https://i.postimg.cc/gkssMmrk/pattinson-shot.gif)

Also, does anyone else think the first shot of the trailer is a tribute to Edward Hopper's 1942 painting 'Nighthawks'?

(https://i.postimg.cc/s2Y4hzFr/nighthawks.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/T3Rd6qRJ/riddler-nighthawk.png)
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Mon, 18 Oct 2021, 02:34
Could very well be, as the themes line up with The Riddler: existential art, capturing the alienation and loneliness symptomatic of modern urban life.

(https://64.media.tumblr.com/5bc7f3260d3024b53c5f01f56a5ebca6/d0f3f8c438db9d43-22/s540x810/32e25548417611e21bae9b53b6a13f55bfb94037.gifv)

In terms of intensity, I think Pattinson is going to leave the others for dead. The guy looks like he's barely slept and needs dark glasses because sunlight is alien to him. I don't think there's going to be much joking around with him. Just the mission. It's a great starting point, especially in terms of an ongoing relationship with Selina.
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Post by: zDBZ on Tue, 19 Oct 2021, 14:15
I guess I'll play the killjoy - I've barely followed the news for this film, but my first reaction to the trailer was "oh, look - a movie for people who think Nolan and Snyder didn't let realism and self-seriousness take enough of the fun out of this character." (And I don't mean bad jokes or comic relief by that - I mean embracing the fantasy of this character and his world and taking it all on their terms.)
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Tue, 19 Oct 2021, 15:50
Quote from: zDBZ on Tue, 19 Oct  2021, 14:15
I guess I'll play the killjoy - I've barely followed the news for this film, but my first reaction to the trailer was "oh, look - a movie for people who think Nolan and Snyder didn't let realism and self-seriousness take enough of the fun out of this character." (And I don't mean bad jokes or comic relief by that - I mean embracing the fantasy of this character and his world and taking it all on their terms.)
I think that's a fair criticism. My ideal version of Batman right now would be a live action version of the Dick Sprang Batman from the Fifties. I think the whole dark and gritty thing has been done quite well by now.

If it helps, a major contributor to my enthusiasm for this movie comes down to the production design and cinematography. A bit of Tim Burton, a bit of Kelley Jones, etc. I enjoy it on that level. It's either a new kind of aesthetic for Batman or, lacking that, something we haven't seen with Batman in a long time. Plus, it looks like everyone in this movie is in it to win it rather than just soak up a paycheck. And that counts for a lot in my book.
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Post by: Travesty on Tue, 19 Oct 2021, 20:51
Quote from: zDBZ on Tue, 19 Oct  2021, 14:15
I guess I'll play the killjoy - I've barely followed the news for this film, but my first reaction to the trailer was "oh, look - a movie for people who think Nolan and Snyder didn't let realism and self-seriousness take enough of the fun out of this character." (And I don't mean bad jokes or comic relief by that - I mean embracing the fantasy of this character and his world and taking it all on their terms.)
It's all good. While I think it looks great, I can understand not liking certain things. I also wish they would go in more of the fantasy realm, but it is what it is.

Maybe you'll turn around on it?
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Wed, 20 Oct 2021, 00:45
The Flash with Affleck/Keaton is giving all the fantasy I'll need for the time being. The Snyderverse having all the other heroes being present increases the fantasy element by default. I want there to be a serious tone with the movies, though. I think that's how things should be, with animation such as Brave and the Bold providing the lighter touch.
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Post by: zDBZ on Wed, 20 Oct 2021, 12:38
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 20 Oct  2021, 00:45
The Flash with Affleck/Keaton is giving all the fantasy I'll need for the time being. The Snyderverse having all the other heroes being present increases the fantasy element by default. I want there to be a serious tone with the movies, though. I think that's how things should be, with animation such as Brave and the Bold providing the lighter touch.
Serious and fantasy aren't mutually exclusive though. One thing I'm not looking forward to with this new film is a fresh round of revisionist "well, when you look back, those Tim Burton movies were just the campy TV show set at night" takes from cliquey critics. You can be dark, and take the material seriously, without being relentlessly serious, and without chasing the notion that there's any way for a guy in a bat costume stopping crime to be realistic.

Quote from: Travesty on Tue, 19 Oct  2021, 20:51
Quote from: zDBZ on Tue, 19 Oct  2021, 14:15
I guess I'll play the killjoy - I've barely followed the news for this film, but my first reaction to the trailer was "oh, look - a movie for people who think Nolan and Snyder didn't let realism and self-seriousness take enough of the fun out of this character." (And I don't mean bad jokes or comic relief by that - I mean embracing the fantasy of this character and his world and taking it all on their terms.)
It's all good. While I think it looks great, I can understand not liking certain things. I also wish they would go in more of the fantasy realm, but it is what it is.

Maybe you'll turn around on it?
To be honest - Batman's always been my favorite superhero, but I think it's more than time for adaptations to get put on pause for a few years. I'm burnt out on franchises altogether, but wave after wave of Batmedia in particular has diluted the impact of any new take on the character for me. But if the new film's good, more power to Matt Reeves.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Wed, 20 Oct 2021, 13:01
Quote from: zDBZ on Wed, 20 Oct  2021, 12:38
To be honest - Batman's always been my favorite superhero, but I think it's more than time for adaptations to get put on pause for a few years. I'm burnt out on franchises altogether, but wave after wave of Batmedia in particular has diluted the impact of any new take on the character for me.
Understandable. But Batman is one of the most popular superheroes in the world. And definitely the most popular non-Marvel hero. He's the most bankable commodity in the WME empire so he's the one getting all the focus.

My hunch is that things probably won't change any time soon.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Wed, 20 Oct 2021, 13:15
There's no reason for them to slow the train down: https://screenrant.com/batman-fatigue-not-real-dc-comic-sales-up/

I'm well past being worried about Burton critiques, and they mean little now as his universe is currently experiencing as resurgence. It's back in action regardless of what any detractors may say. If anything I've seen remarks of fond reflection about the era and anticipation of Keaton's return.

I really want Pattinson's Batman to be the darkest, meanest mongrel in the character's cinematic history. But the promise of a legitimate noir detective story is the biggest hook I can imagine as a fan. That's been on wishlists for a long time. But it's only ever been paid lip service. Not this time, hopefully.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Wed, 20 Oct 2021, 14:12
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 20 Oct  2021, 13:15But the promise of a legitimate noir detective story is the biggest hook I can imagine as a fan. That's been on wishlists for a long time. But it's only ever been paid lip service. Not this time, hopefully.
Couldn't agree more. Batman can fit into many genres. Crime noir is definitely one of them and a movie that embraces that genre with both arms will be original and refreshing just by showing up.

Honestly, I'd like to see Batman movies set firmly in other genres at some point. Monster/horror, for example.
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Post by: Travesty on Wed, 20 Oct 2021, 14:17
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 20 Oct  2021, 13:15

I really want Pattinson's Batman to be the darkest, meanest mongrel in the character's cinematic history. But the promise of a legitimate noir detective story is the biggest hook I can imagine as a fan. That's been on wishlists for a long time. But it's only ever been paid lip service. Not this time, hopefully.
Yeah, I wanted a movie to center on Batman, and lean more into the detective side of things, and from what we've heard, Pattinson is in the suit about 75% of the time, and he's on the ground doing detective work. Oh, and the action/fighting actually looks good. Win/win.

But again, zDBZ, please don't feel like you're not welcome here. I love hearing other points of views. It sucks you're not feeling it, but I would love to hear what you have to say. That kind of thing doesn't bother me. If you need to vent about things you don't like, vent away. Trust me, I understand. lol
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Post by: The Joker on Thu, 21 Oct 2021, 16:38
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 18 Oct  2021, 02:34
Could very well be, as the themes line up with The Riddler: existential art, capturing the alienation and loneliness symptomatic of modern urban life.

(https://64.media.tumblr.com/5bc7f3260d3024b53c5f01f56a5ebca6/d0f3f8c438db9d43-22/s540x810/32e25548417611e21bae9b53b6a13f55bfb94037.gifv)

In terms of intensity, I think Pattinson is going to leave the others for dead. The guy looks like he's barely slept and needs dark glasses because sunlight is alien to him. I don't think there's going to be much joking around with him. Just the mission. It's a great starting point, especially in terms of an ongoing relationship with Selina.

Seeing this, instantly makes me think of how Bruce Wayne was interpreted by  Lee Bermejo in the "Lex Luthor: Man of Steel" mini series. Where Bruce meets Lex for a chat in a public setting, wearing shades, and clearly disheveled. Passing it off as a result of too much partying the night before or something like that.

(http://www.gothamcalling.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/10.jpg)
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 22 Oct 2021, 03:07
Quote from: The Joker on Thu, 21 Oct  2021, 16:38
Seeing this, instantly makes me think of how Bruce Wayne was interpreted by  Lee Bermejo in the "Lex Luthor: Man of Steel" mini series. Where Bruce meets Lex for a chat in a public setting, wearing shades, and clearly disheveled. Passing it off as a result of too much partying the night before or something like that.
Very good pickup. At this point Pattinson Bruce's best bet may be simply staying away from the public eye as much as possible, because he's finding it difficult to switch off the Batman persona, thus raising more questions about who he is. I hope things don't lighten up too quickly, but it would be good to see this Bruce learn to do that a little easier, and perhaps integrate himself more into the community. I think that's where Selina's influence will be.
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Post by: zDBZ on Fri, 22 Oct 2021, 18:32
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 20 Oct  2021, 13:15
There's no reason for them to slow the train down: https://screenrant.com/batman-fatigue-not-real-dc-comic-sales-up/
No financial reason for Disney to stop live-action remakes either, but I'm still going to call them travesties of cinema ;D
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 22 Oct 2021, 22:21
Quote from: zDBZ on Fri, 22 Oct  2021, 18:32
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 20 Oct  2021, 13:15
There's no reason for them to slow the train down: https://screenrant.com/batman-fatigue-not-real-dc-comic-sales-up/
No financial reason for Disney to stop live-action remakes either, but I'm still going to call them travesties of cinema ;D
If content is good I'm okay with an avalanche, but I'm not on board with it all. The Harley stuff is a waste of time. The main line of Batman comics don't interest me at the moment, nor does anything Jace Fox. I do quite like some of the things they're doing, though. The Detective has been rather fun. I need to catch up on the other issues, but Reptillian caught my attention for the Arkham Asylum styled art alone. B89 is on my radar for obvious reasons, and I liked Earth One Volume 3 and The Three Jokers.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Fri, 22 Oct 2021, 22:30
We live in a society where DC and Marvel can scarcely financially afford a presence in San Diego anymore. Hence much cheaper online stuff like Fandome.

Management of DC and Marvel are trying lamf to just stay in business at this point (while talent seems determined to drive them out of business) and I can't fault them for sticking with what works and playing the hits as much as possible.

I don't think we should be surprised that safe stuff like comics based on Burton's Batman or Donner's Superman are getting pushed so heavily now. There was a time when DC fundamentally wouldn't have wanted to publish stuff like that. Because it's not their creation. Their talent would've found it demeaning to publish the further adventures of Burton's Batman when their own Batman was more interesting to them.

But obviously, those days are gone now. And I say let it burn.
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Post by: Travesty on Sat, 23 Oct 2021, 15:18
Pretty cool vid with a lot of theories that I haven't heard before. Nice breakdown of the trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gQ5HI89ZCI
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 14 Nov 2021, 10:10
New behind the scenes footage with Gordon and Batman:

https://twitter.com/chickasawbatman/status/1459742847616311296

Commenting strictly on Jeffrey Wright's on screen persona, I like the charisma he brings to the table. I liked him as Felix Leiter, and if he brings similar energy to Gordon things should be fine there too. The most exciting part of this new footage is Batman using the flashlight during what seems like an investigation. Every new little thing builds my confidence in Reeves and his vision.
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Post by: Travesty on Mon, 15 Nov 2021, 23:21
Yeah, they both look good.

From the looks of the trailer and these shots, it looks like they work pretty close on these cases.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Tue, 16 Nov 2021, 02:48
Quote from: Travesty on Mon, 15 Nov  2021, 23:21
Yeah, they both look good.

From the looks of the trailer and these shots, it looks like they work pretty close on these cases.
Schumacher had a closer Batman/Gordon relationship compared to Burton, but it still didn't approach BTAS levels. Same goes for the Nolan era. I don't think anything will approach the 1966 series, but I have a feeling Reeves will be the runner up in live action. And I see that as a good thing. In most incarnations of Batman, Gordon is a huge part of his life, nearly as much as Alfred. Which may prove relevant if the talk about Alfred dying proves to be genuine. Wright's Gordon could play a vital role in bringing Batman back from the darkness, tempering his brutality with a more traditional sense of justice and detective work.
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Post by: Travesty on Thu, 18 Nov 2021, 15:49
So it looks like there's been screenings, and pretty reliable people are posting spoilers.

It looks like:

Barry Keoghan is The Joker, and he shows up at the end.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Thu, 18 Nov 2021, 16:15
Weird, he's listed as playing Merkel in the semi-official sources.
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Post by: Travesty on Thu, 18 Nov 2021, 16:20
Yeah, I don't know if it's true or not, but it's been going around. Just a heads up.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 19 Nov 2021, 07:46
Quote from: Travesty on Thu, 18 Nov  2021, 15:49
So it looks like there's been screenings, and pretty reliable people are posting spoilers.

It looks like:

Barry Keoghan is The Joker, and he shows up at the end.
Sounds good to me. Apparently this scene was omitted in the first couple of test screenings. They could be deciding just how much of a tease they want for the sequel.
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Post by: Travesty on Fri, 19 Nov 2021, 17:52
I'm interested in how he'll look.

I have a feeling it'll be closer to Joaquin.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 20 Nov 2021, 00:32
I would prefer not, especially if JOKER 2 does get made. My advice would be to say F it (or effort), and go with elements of the Leatherface look from Death of the Family, mixed in with the more realistic acid scarring of Gotham. We've had permawhite Leto, but nonetheless, I think we've had enough makeup only Jokers in recent times. The Reevesverse has a dark and gritty vibe but also an element of horror. My two recommended influences fit the bill.
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Post by: Travesty on Mon, 27 Dec 2021, 19:10
A new trailer just dropped about an hour ago. Almost completely new scenes that we haven't seen before. We can clearly see Gotham getting flooded here, and really good shots of Batman and Catwoman here. You also hear more of The Riddler.

Pattinson looks so good in the Batsuit. I love this suit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCPf9MRvJD0
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Mon, 27 Dec 2021, 19:54
Seems like Reeves wants to move the camera around a lot and give the movie sort of a flashy edge. I'm fine with that, personally. It shows off the city, the production design, the costumes, etc. Plus, when the camera stays stock still (as it does during the car crash bit), it offers a good contrast to the rest of the cinematography.

Again, this thing is shaping up to be great.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Mon, 27 Dec 2021, 21:43
The drama of being so focused on crime fighting while neglecting your civilian life brought us arguably the greatest superhero film of all time in Spider-Man 2. I love that The Batman is leaning hard into that. The dynamic between Batman and Catwoman seems great, very much like BTAS and the comics. I can see this dynamic being the best written, even if Michael and Michelle still end up having the most chemistry. But even that is up for debate now. The action is what I want it to be. Same with the detective stuff with the flashlights, and how the film simply looks.
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Post by: Travesty on Wed, 19 Jan 2022, 16:26
New poster. Man, I love this cowl. And Pattinson's eyes look really good in it.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJedQ3FXoAMzvrq?format=jpg&name=large)
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Wed, 19 Jan 2022, 16:36
Good point. The cowl looks like leather or something. A welcome change from all the sculpted rubber or plastic of previous bat costumes.

I approve.
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Post by: Travesty on Wed, 19 Jan 2022, 20:47
Here's a new article about Matt Reeves. with some quotes from the cast. A good read:

https://www.moviemaker.com/the-batman-matt-reeves-detective-story/ (https://www.moviemaker.com/the-batman-matt-reeves-detective-story/)
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Wed, 19 Jan 2022, 21:27
I still prefer the red silhouette in the rain, which I think is one of the best posters in the series. But I like this one also. It feels appropriate to the movie given it's focusing so intimately on the man himself.

The movie itself is pretty much confirmed to be 2 hours 55 minutes long, which I am happy to hear as it means a complete experience. And again, the detective aspect is my most anticipated element. It's a huge part of Batman and it's about time we had it fleshed out on screen.

These quotes from Rob confirm my enthusiasm in that regard:

"In the first meeting, he was saying, we want to lean into the 'world's greatest detective aspect,' and be a detective noir movie. And, you know, normally when directors say that, they just do like a mood board. And it's just about the imagery. But I read the script, and it is. It's a detective movie. It happens all the time in the graphic novels, but it's always kind of on the backburner in the movies."

Reeves himself says this about the detective component:

"The detective aspect occupies a large part of The Batman. And if it has always been an anecdotal element in the other films, the explanation is simple : it's super hard. The big challenge is to explain how and why a guy with a bat suit shows up on a crime scene. Robert told me something that I love: I think you almost have to see him as a shaman in those moments. And the very fact of being masked sets him apart. He doesn't need to think about how he reacts to others, so his senses are sharpened, his awareness is increased. He's someone who has never dealt with his grief and who puts it under the rug by focusing on the details, by connecting the clues...by becoming a great detective. A pure block of neurosis that investigates, Sherlock Holmes style."

Also this quote below excites me - I've always felt Begins Bruce's transition to Batman was too clean. He goes off to train with Ras and more or less comes back as the final product Batman. Pattinson's version takes a longer time during his early years to settle into his personas:

"There's an element in the other iterations of the story where Bruce goes off, does his training, masters himself and then comes back to Gotham as a fully realized character and the delineation between Bruce and Batman the public Bruce, the private Bruce, and the Batman Bruce — are very contained and he can control them more easily," says Pattinson. And in this, the lines have totally blurred. His self as Bruce is sort of disintegrating."

A very special movie has been made. I can feel it.
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Post by: Travesty on Thu, 20 Jan 2022, 14:47
Yeah, everything I'm reading for this movie sounds great. Reeves is a pretty big fan, and seems to really know his stuff. And Pattinson seems to also love and respect the character. This seems like the first director of a solo movie to be such a huge fan.

I'm also in love with this Batsuit. I think it's my favorite live action suit. I've never bought a HotToys before, but I think I'm gonna get one for this.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 21 Jan 2022, 08:53
The cowl and the Batmobile feel like darker updates of the 1966 TV show, giving a sense of simplicity that feels accessible. It's a subtle form of realism considering the concept of Batman is far from being real.

Burton understood Batman from his own innate love of weird loners who had bad childhoods. And he had the most visual flair. Nolan came with a love of crime drama. Snyder shared Burton's love of visuals, with a specific focus on heightened drama. Reeves does seem to be the biggest pure Batman fan of the lot, and we'll soon see how that translates to the big screen.

This track from the official soundtrack was released:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSPcZGJDCA4

I personally think Giacchino is inferior to Elfman and Zimmer, but he's proving to be suitable for this film and also Batman. I like that he's providing something more traditional in terms of melody, and his main theme itself is instantly identifiable. Can't wait to hear the rest.
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Post by: Gotham Knight on Fri, 21 Jan 2022, 15:01
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri, 21 Jan  2022, 08:53
The cowl and the Batmobile feel like darker updates of the 1966 TV show, giving a sense of simplicity that feels accessible. It's a subtle form of realism considering the concept of Batman is far from being real.

Burton understood Batman from his own innate love of weird loners who had bad childhoods. And he had the most visual flair. Nolan came with a love of crime drama. Snyder shared Burton's love of visuals, with a specific focus on heightened drama. Reeves does seem to be the biggest pure Batman fan of the lot, and we'll soon see how that translates to the big screen.

This track from the official soundtrack was released:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSPcZGJDCA4

I personally think Giacchino is inferior to Elfman and Zimmer, but he's proving to be suitable for this film and also Batman. I like that he's providing something more traditional in terms of melody, and his main theme itself is instantly identifiable. Can't wait to hear the rest.

It sound pretty. Seems like theirs going to be a lot of heart in this movie.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Fri, 21 Jan 2022, 15:49
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri, 21 Jan  2022, 08:53
The cowl and the Batmobile feel like darker updates of the 1966 TV show, giving a sense of simplicity that feels accessible. It's a subtle form of realism considering the concept of Batman is far from being real.

Burton understood Batman from his own innate love of weird loners who had bad childhoods. And he had the most visual flair. Nolan came with a love of crime drama. Snyder shared Burton's love of visuals, with a specific focus on heightened drama. Reeves does seem to be the biggest pure Batman fan of the lot, and we'll soon see how that translates to the big screen.

This track from the official soundtrack was released:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSPcZGJDCA4

I personally think Giacchino is inferior to Elfman and Zimmer, but he's proving to be suitable for this film and also Batman. I like that he's providing something more traditional in terms of melody, and his main theme itself is instantly identifiable. Can't wait to hear the rest.
Loving that brooding piano theme. It does a good job of emphasizing Bruce's single-minded devotion to the cause. Plus, the theme can be played in a lot of different ways.
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Post by: Travesty on Fri, 21 Jan 2022, 15:54
I like the soundtrack, but it feels a bit disjointed. The main Batman theme is easily identifiable, and I like it a lot, but the first part doesn't really blend into it smoothly. It sounds like 2 completely different tracks. I do like both parts, though. It just feels a bit fragmented.

I'm really excited to hear how this sounds within the movie, as that's the most important part. I wasn't really a fan of Zimmer's soundtrack in TDK and TDKR. It didn't really work for me. I thought it was implemented much better in BB. Elfman's is still my favorite, especially his BR soundtrack. And then Shirley Walker's was great as well, but was just more of a continuation of Elfman's.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Fri, 21 Jan 2022, 17:04
Quote from: Travesty on Fri, 21 Jan  2022, 15:54
I like the soundtrack, but it feels a bit disjointed. The main Batman theme is easily identifiable, and I like it a lot, but the first part doesn't really blend into it smoothly. It sounds like 2 completely different tracks. I do like both parts, though. It just feels a bit fragmented.

I'm really excited to hear how this sounds within the movie, as that's the most important part. I wasn't really a fan of Zimmer's soundtrack in TDK and TDKR. It didn't really work for me. I thought it was implemented much better in BB. Elfman's is still my favorite, especially his BR soundtrack. And then Shirley Walker's was great as well, but was just more of a continuation of Elfman's.
I'm operating on the assumption that the track is either a blend of two different pieces or else something happens in the scene to account for the tonal shift.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is the last thing before credits roll. Not predicting anything, just saying that would make sense.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 21 Jan 2022, 23:42
Quote from: Travesty on Fri, 21 Jan  2022, 15:54
I like the soundtrack, but it feels a bit disjointed. The main Batman theme is easily identifiable, and I like it a lot, but the first part doesn't really blend into it smoothly. It sounds like 2 completely different tracks. I do like both parts, though. It just feels a bit fragmented.
I'm confident this is a Suite rather than a pure Batman theme, the same thing Michael did with his Spider-Man scores by splicing in the Mysterio and Peter/MJ themes. I'd say the middle part of The Batman cue is Wayne family related, with other elements possibly relating to his relationship with Selina.
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Post by: Kamdan on Sun, 23 Jan 2022, 01:11
Anyone else see the funeral scene clip that apparently just appeared on YouTube? I saw it as an ad while watching another video. I don't want to post it without spoiling anything but I'll just say that I liked the scene better when they did it in Batman '89 when The Joker makes his debut in front of City Hall.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 23 Jan 2022, 01:36
Here's the clip if people want to watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTAbeXjsxb0

I dig the atmosphere. Bruce eavesdropping on Gordon talking to another officer is very Batman (1989).
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Post by: Kamdan on Sun, 23 Jan 2022, 02:40
QuoteI dig the atmosphere. Bruce eavesdropping on Gordon talking to another officer is very Batman (1989).
I was digging that vibe too, but they went too far with Bruce Wayne doing a Batman act out of costume. That's why I liked it better executed in Batman '89. Plus the gimmick by the Riddler is right out of Ledger's Joker.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Sun, 23 Jan 2022, 02:53
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 23 Jan  2022, 01:36
Here's the clip if people want to watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTAbeXjsxb0

I dig the atmosphere. Bruce eavesdropping on Gordon talking to another officer is very Batman (1989).
The bit of business with the bomb around the guy's neck reminded me of Brian Wells. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Wells

Good scene. Seems like every new thing that comes along confirms that this will be a superior film.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 23 Jan 2022, 05:22
Definitely. You can see the arc they have planned. A man completely in the zone as Batman and needing to step up to the plate as a more rounded person, be it a public figure, a company man or someone with any other outside interests. To be honest, while I'm happy to see those character changes take place over a series of films, I'd be fine with a hypersensitive Bruce remaining longer term. This scene alone ticks a number of boxes: Bruce feeling a connection to the young orphan boy, listening to Gordon and noticing the Riddler when nobody else does. As a Burton fan I'm estatic this is the type of portrayal we're getting. Burton will always be at the top for me, but it seems like Reeves is taking their spirit and expanding upon it.
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Post by: Travesty on Sun, 23 Jan 2022, 23:37
I liked the scene. It shows Bruce is really concentrated on the boy who just lost his father. You can tell he feels really bad for the kid. I also like how in the zone he is when he sees Riddler in the rafters, and then he runs and rescues the kid from the vehicle busting through the church. Good stuff.
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Post by: Kamdan on Mon, 24 Jan 2022, 01:14
Quote from: Travesty on Sun, 23 Jan  2022, 23:37
I liked the scene. It shows Bruce is really concentrated on the boy who just lost his father. You can tell he feels really bad for the kid. I also like how in the zone he is when he sees Riddler in the rafters, and then he runs and rescues the kid from the vehicle busting through the church. Good stuff.
It just all seems way too convenient that nobody is noticing someone like Bruce Wayne pulling off superhero feats. The City Hall scene was great at portraying that Bruce Wayne can't do Batman things when he's not in costume. Sure he got shot in the arm but it wasn't like they had to draw out the danger of the situation by him saving one of the children that were present in the scene. One of the criticisms of Batman Forever is why Bruce Wayne sneaking around the circus to take out Two-Face's thugs and even heroically jumps onto a rope to take them out. Why didn't anyone acknowledge this? Even the writer of the novelization knew how ridiculous this was and used it as a point for Chase Meridian to conclude that Bruce Wayne and  Batman wear the same person. For a movie that's nearly three hours, I hope the points I've made are acknowledged and addressed because this is a point not to be overlooked. Even in the Nolan films, they were careful not to make Bruce Wayne seem to heroic out of the bat costume.
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Post by: Travesty on Mon, 24 Jan 2022, 02:07
That kind of thing doesn't bug me. What do you want to happen: the kid just gets run over by a car? He just ran and grabbed him. It's what Bruce Wayne should do. It's why I liked the beginning of BvS, where everybody is running away from the destruction going on downtown, and Bruce Wayne is seen running into the danger to help. Normal everyday people can do heroic things. It happens. If Bruce doesn't have his Batsuit nearby, he should still be stepping up to do something.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Mon, 24 Jan 2022, 02:18
I mean, realistically GCPD, the DA's office and the entire international media would have to be pretty dumb to not figure out that Bruce is Batman in, like, five minutes. I'm willing to look the other way on him not keeping a supposedly tight enough hold on his secret identity.

Also, I would say there's a big difference between Bruce rescuing some kid in public when he has a chance to do so and, for example, Bruce fighting off a hundred ninjas or something in public. Anybody would probably save a life if they could. But not just anybody can fight a hundred ninjas and survive the experience.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Mon, 24 Jan 2022, 04:13
Quote from: Travesty on Mon, 24 Jan  2022, 02:07
That kind of thing doesn't bug me. What do you want to happen: the kid just gets run over by a car? He just ran and grabbed him. It's what Bruce Wayne should do. It's why I liked the beginning of BvS, where everybody is running away from the destruction going on downtown, and Bruce Wayne is seen running into the danger to help. Normal everyday people can do heroic things. It happens. If Bruce doesn't have his Batsuit nearby, he should still be stepping up to do something.
I concur. It's heroic, but in this case I wouldn't classify grabbing a child from harms way as a superhero feat, and the fact the room is hysterical with fear helps him to blend in regardless. The Batman Forever sequence is another level of prowess altogether. I'm all for secret identities but when it pushes the hero into being perceived as a buffoon I get uneasy. And the same goes for Clark Kent's klutz routine. I'd rather Bruce be thought of how Keaton's was. A loner who appears every so often, isn't necessarily friendly but doesn't bother anyone.
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Post by: Kamdan on Mon, 24 Jan 2022, 16:37
QuoteWhat do you want to happen: the kid just gets run over by a car?
I want the filmmakers to not convolute a situation like that sorely for that purpose. The first Rami Spider-Man had an annoying part in the Unity Day Festival sequence when they placed a child in danger by having him just stand in place for Spider-Man to save him when there was nothing stopping him from running out of the danger zone. This scene in The Batman was beautiful when he looked and related with the kid over their mutual experience over deaths in the family. It drives home why Batman does what he does. You don't need that extra bit of Wayne happening to save him as the only person who decided to stand directly in the path of the oncoming vehicle.

QuoteIt's why I liked the beginning of BvS, where everybody is running away from the destruction going on downtown, and Bruce Wayne is seen running into the danger to help.

The Batman v. Superman situation was a different scenario that required Bruce Wayne to drop his typical persona to immediately help people trapped in his building. This open situation at the funeral is quite compromising. He is recognized by the cop, so he obviously has a profile that fellow citizens can recognize, something Keaton's Wayne wanted to avoid and Bale's Wayne understood he needed to be stereotypical spoiled rich playboy to allay suspicions.

Again, I hope this act is integral to the plot as Riddler saw it all happen before he left and that's a tell-tale sign who's really The Batman.

QuoteI mean, realistically GCPD, the DA's office and the entire international media would have to be pretty dumb to not figure out that Bruce is Batman in, like, five minutes.
EXACTLY why Wayne detours suspicions like that with his resources and the way he acts in public. This isn't Wonder Woman 1984 where we're lead to believe that no one will reveal the hero's heroic deeds by the hero putting her finger up to her lip and trust it will be kept a secret.

QuoteIt's heroic, but in this case I wouldn't classify grabbing a child from harms way as a superhero feat, and the fact the room is hysterical with fear helps him to blend in regardless.
The distance between the two and how fast Wayne was able to run against a speeding vehicle is definitely a super-heroic feat, especially in this realistic portrayal.
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Post by: Travesty on Mon, 24 Jan 2022, 17:04
I don't see the problem with it. He just ran over and grabbed a kid. It's not like a threw a smoke bomb, and then grabbed the kid and grappled up to the rooftops.

Saving someone from an oncoming car seems to be a pretty normal human thing to do, if you can do it. I don't perceive it as being extraordinary.

But if you don't like it, then you don't like it. It is what it is.
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Post by: Kamdan on Mon, 24 Jan 2022, 20:09
QuoteSaving someone from an oncoming car seems to be a pretty normal human thing to do, if you can do it. I don't perceive it as being extraordinary.

But if you don't like it, then you don't like it. It is what it is.
Again, this is considered extraordinary when you precieve the distance between the two and how fast that truck was barreling down the aisle. It'd be a different story if Wayne was standing right next to the kid.

Just because I'm offering criticisms on just ONE aspect of an otherwise terrific scene, it doesn't mean I "don't like it." Again, for the third time, I hope this is a detail that will play into the movie and not just be a lame executive's idea of giving the title character something to do besides stand around.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Mon, 24 Jan 2022, 23:16
We already know via interviews that Pattinson is blurring the lines with his personas, which angers Alfred. He just doesn't care about having a work life balance, but that will have to change. Keaton's Bruce was probably a year two Batman as well, but seemed to be more of a final product in comparison to Pattinson despite still having strong anti social elements. The circus scene in Forever is going for something else. Kilmer literally shouts out he is Batman but his voice gets drowned out by the crowd. His actions after that could be seen as not even caring who finds out his secret because he deems the situation that serious, and was prepared to end his double life right there anyway.

Also, I found this edit with The Mask of the Phantasm, which is a very nice showcase of Giacchino's music:

https://twitter.com/TheBatmanFilm_/status/1485209973378461697
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Post by: Kamdan on Tue, 25 Jan 2022, 14:06
QuoteThe circus scene in Forever is going for something else. Kilmer literally shouts out he is Batman but his voice gets drowned out by the crowd. His actions after that could be seen as not even caring who finds out his secret because he deems the situation that serious, and was prepared to end his double life right there anyway.
Ooh, yes! You are correct. This is reiterated when Grayson is blaming him for their deaths and he tells him, "If Bruce Wayne could've given his life for your family, he would have."
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Post by: Travesty on Tue, 25 Jan 2022, 16:25
Here's a quote from Pattinson. I like how he's mentioning MOTP, but I don't think I agree with him here. I thought B89 delved into this, along with parts of Nolan's movies. Unless I'm mixing up what he said here?

-"I sincerely believe that the tone of 'The Batman' has nothing to do (opposed to the previous movies), it feels new. In the comics, Batman is someone more... unstable. If you read between the lines, it's actually very sad. Whereas in the cinema, it is always his heroic side that is put forward. The Batman does the opposite, we capture the inner bubbling of the character. In my opinion, the only other to achieve this is the animated film 'Batman : Mask Of The Phantasm'. When I saw it, it clicked: being Batman is a kind of curse, it's a burden. But hey man, you decided that, right? "No no no, I HAVE to be Batman. I was chosen, not the other way around".
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Post by: Travesty on Tue, 25 Jan 2022, 16:39
And here's an Esquire article. Pretty good quotes from Reeves.

https://www.esquire.com/uk/culture/a38791912/matt-reeves-interview-the-batman/ (https://www.esquire.com/uk/culture/a38791912/matt-reeves-interview-the-batman/)
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Tue, 25 Jan 2022, 17:27
"A Batman movie without Aquaman (he can control sea life), Cyborg (he's a cyborg) or any of the rest of the corny Justice League characters already sounded like a 100 per cent improvement"

I mean, I get that this is supposed to be a bit of a puff piece to hype up The Batman and everything. But was crap like this necessary?

But otherwise, good little interview.
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Post by: Kamdan on Tue, 25 Jan 2022, 18:23
Yeah, Pattinson's a bit ignorant on this point. Mask of the Phantasm wasn't the only film to deal with the subject of Bruce Wayne not being able to lead a normal life. It's largely the driving point of his relationship with Vicki Vale and even the Nolan films had his desire for a relationship with Rachel Dawes.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Tue, 25 Jan 2022, 23:34
Indeed. The vibe of Burton's films indicates Keaton isn't leading a normal life.

Vicki Vale: Some people think you're as dangerous as the Joker.
Batman: He's psychotic.
Vicki Vale: Some people say the same about you.
Batman: What people?
Vicki Vale: Well, face it. You're not exactly normal, are you?
Batman: This isn't exactly a normal world, is it?

Reeves and Pattinson are trending in the right direction with their interview comments in the sense I like what tone they're going for, but not everything they say sticks. You mentioned B89, but Batman Forever also counts. Bruce made peace with his decision to be Batman, but he clearly is a troubled individual throughout the film as evidenced with his numerous flashbacks and psychiatrist visits.

TDK Trilogy focused on Batman being a monster Bruce used to do good, but eventually seeing he inspired copycats and the death of Harvey. Bale hoped to be Batman short term so he could be with Rachel. In the end it was with Selina. Batman as a lifestyle was shown to be a burden.

Alfred: "You used to talk about finishing, about a life beyond that awful cave."

The Batman will push these elements harder but it's not true that past incarnations ignored them completely. I really believe it was a question of tone and balance in the past, rather than them being cowardly. I respect Batman's past too much to let those comments go. But I am ready to see the reclusive loner angle dialled up to 11 now. To really see the darkest knight we've probably had so far.

Reeves also said he treated the Batmobile as a horror figure, appearing out of nowhere and the like. I agree with him that sounds good, but I wonder if he's insinuating it's a new development, because it's not. Snyder especially leaned in to that in BvS and ZSJL. I'll put these comments down to hyping up a new movie. I'm excited about it continuing an already great legacy into the future. I think it will.
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Post by: Travesty on Thu, 27 Jan 2022, 14:24
This is a scene from one of the new trailers. It's Batman running down a building. Such a cool shot. Reeves really knows how to make Batman look amazing.

(https://i.imgur.com/JDbN0gy.gif)
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 27 Jan 2022, 14:47
He does. Feels very Arkham Origins in terms of energy. Fast, brutal, fantastical but also grounded.

A brief clip shows bats swarming in the underground area being used as the cave, which is under Wayne Tower this time. I think Battinson released Bats into the room - rather them than naturally being there. It seems more likely. Pushing the obesssion/mental illness angle further. We see a caged bat in a room somewhere from a previous TV spot - which again could reference B89 as he did a similar thing, as Vicki saw herself. I've made the 1966 comparison before, but the new base does feel like a modern, darker version of that flat floored aesthetic to me.

There's this new poster too.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKCFnY7agAI1QdJ?format=jpg&name=large)

I've seen dissatisfaction expressed, but I quite like it. Especially from the perspective it's a throwback to the 1990s Batman movie posters, specifically BR, BF and B&R. I probably still prefer the red rain teaser, but appreciate their bravery in going this direction again.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Thu, 27 Jan 2022, 14:54
We live in an era where a movie poster has to look good and eye-catching on social media. COVID put pedal to the metal on that. But it's been that way for a long time.

That poster... isn't what I might've wanted. I liked the red poster better too. Still, this fire poster has a lot of the same design balance as the Batman Begins poster (or DVD cover? I forget which.), the orange hues deepen the similarity and so it's vaguely familiar Batman imagery combined with new takes on the Riddler and the Penguin, both of whom have been MIA from live action for quite some time.

Then there's the mysterious Riddler/Zodiac graffiti that emphasizes who the film's primary antagonist will be.

All in all, I'd say this poster does a good job of attracting attention. Another piece of TB media, another hit, if you ask me. The cast, crew and marketing department are all firing on all cylinders.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 27 Jan 2022, 15:11
Catwoman actually has a whip this time, keeps stray cats, uses disguises and the byplay with Batman seems to have way more meat. It remains to be seen if Kravitz beats Michelle in sheer sex appeal - I think that's a near impossible task - but I foresee this being the best written incarnation on film. I'm personally hoping the film builds up romantic tension between the two but it is never consummated. Batman knows they are walking in different directions and thus can't fully embrace her as a partner. But he's not making her one of his hated enemies.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Travesty on Thu, 27 Jan 2022, 15:12
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 27 Jan  2022, 14:47

A brief clip shows bats swarming in the underground area being used as the cave, which is under Wayne Tower this time. I think Battinson released Bats into the room - rather them than naturally being there. It seems more likely. Pushing the obesssion/mental illness angle further. We see a caged bat in a room somewhere from a previous TV spot - which again could reference B89 as he did a similar thing, as Vicki saw herself.
(https://i.imgur.com/0FaTHxA.gif)



QuoteI've made the 1966 comparison before, but the new base does feel like a modern, darker version of that flat floored aesthetic to me.
Yeah, it's something I said before, and I know you mentioned it last week. The cowl has similar aesthetic callbacks to Adam West's cowl, along with things like the Batmobile, etc. It would be cool if he incorporates a Batpole going into the Batcave somehow. lol
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Post by: Travesty on Thu, 27 Jan 2022, 15:13
Oh, and I rather like the poster. I think it looks great.  :)
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Post by: Travesty on Thu, 27 Jan 2022, 15:18
And another B66 comparison I didn't even think about, was that gif I posted of Batman running down the building. Kinda reminds me of Adam West:

(https://www.omega-level.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Bat-Climb..gif)
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 27 Jan 2022, 15:20
Quote from: Travesty on Thu, 27 Jan  2022, 15:12Yeah, it's something I said before, and I know you mentioned it last week. The cowl has similar aesthetic callbacks to Adam West's cowl, along with things like the Batmobile, etc. It would be cool if he incorporates a Batpole going into the Batcave somehow. lol
I find B66 influences, even through a darker lens, to be incredibly exciting because it validates that incarnation as influential and legitimate in terms of DNA.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Thu, 27 Jan 2022, 15:51
Am I the only one rly digging what we've seen of the fight choreography in this movie? The stuff in this TV spot look awesome, just the sort of thing I've been looking for in a Batman movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM-J6XBKvB0
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Post by: Travesty on Thu, 27 Jan 2022, 16:09
Oh yeah, the fighting looks great. I think it's the best we've seen in a Batman movie yet. Everything is so brutal.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 27 Jan 2022, 17:59
I'm really digging the Batman '66 comparisons in this thread. A director who respects the sixties TV show is someone I can trust.

Right now I find myself open to reading spoilers for The Flash but not for The Batman. I guess that's because I'm confident The Batman will be a good film, whereas I'm merely hopeful that The Flash will be.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 27 Jan  2022, 15:11
Catwoman actually has a whip this time, keeps stray cats, uses disguises and the byplay with Batman seems to have way more meat. It remains to be seen if Kravitz beats Michelle in sheer sex appeal - I think that's a near impossible task - but I foresee this being the best written incarnation on film. I'm personally hoping the film builds up romantic tension between the two but it is never consummated. Batman knows they are walking in different directions and thus can't fully embrace her as a partner. But he's not making her one of his hated enemies.

My ranking of the live action Catwomen, from best to worst, currently looks something like this.

1.   Newmar/Pfeiffer (tie)
2.   Meriwether
3.   Kitt
4.   Hathaway
5.   Berry

I'm doubtful that Kravitz will be able to take the top spot (though it's possible), but I'm expecting her to surpass Berry and Hathaway. If she can approximate the awesomeness of Meriwther or Kitt, both of whom delivered iconic performances IMO, then I'll be very happy. If she can top them, I'll be impressed.

Slightly off topic, but it saddens me that I still occasionally see people calling Pfeiffer's version CINO (Catwoman In Name Only) and claiming she has no basis in the comics. Here, for example: https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/qea61t/why_do_people_act_like_michelle_pfeiffers/

Ten years ago I wrote a site feature specifically to address this criticism: https://www.batman-online.com/features/2012/5/29/comic-analysis-michelle-pfeiffer-catwoman

Other than me misremembering the colour of Selina's dress in her debut story (it was green, not red), the information in that feature is sound. Pfeiffer's Catwoman is faithful to the comics: she's a mixture of the original Earth-Two Catwoman and the Pre-Zero Hour version that was canonical at the time of the film's production. Dismissing her as having "nothing" to do with the comics is plain wrong. But that's the internet for you.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 27 Jan  2022, 15:51
Am I the only one rly digging what we've seen of the fight choreography in this movie? The stuff in this TV spots look awesome, just the sort of thing I've been looking for in a Batman movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM-J6XBKvB0

I'm stoked for the fight scenes too. I can't wait to get started on the 'Fighting Style of the Pattinson Batman' thread. ;D
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Post by: Travesty on Thu, 27 Jan 2022, 20:59
I still haven't seen Halle Berry's Catwoman, lol.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Thu, 27 Jan 2022, 21:46
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 27 Jan  2022, 17:59Slightly off topic, but it saddens me that I still occasionally see people calling Pfeiffer's version CINO (Catwoman In Name Only) and claiming she has no basis in the comics.
When people say that, I usually assume the unspoken part is "... since *I* started reading". I don't see loudmouths whining about Batman comics compared to film as often these days tho. That guy is the first one in a long time, honestly.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 27 Jan 2022, 23:05
The way I describe the past is that it's perfectly legitimate but with room for expansion. That's what I mean with the best written comment. The same is true for the Batman/Gordon relationship. I generally prefer what Burton went for with Keaton and Hingle: meeting minimally, lighting up the signal and letting Batman do his thing. But I do acknowledge more dialogue equals more opportunities for character growth, as was the case with B66 and BTAS.

At the end of the day it really is about what type of portrayal people like. A good actor and performance can be stronger than better writing. I predict Michelle will still have her throne after I see The Batman because her magnetism and accumulated nostalgia is just too strong. Plus the comic accuracy we all know about. But I do think Kravitz will be right up there.

The TV spots reveal Battinson is wearing contact lenses, that presumably record his activities during the night. Specifically crime scenes and fights he becomes involved in. Allowing him to review the footage when he goes back to the cave and theoretically improve his performance. That is a very nice touch, leaning hard into to the gadgetry and obsessiveness aspects.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Thu, 27 Jan 2022, 23:42
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 27 Jan  2022, 23:05
The way I describe the past is that it's perfectly legitimate but with room for expansion. That's what I mean with the best written comment. The same is true for the Batman/Gordon relationship. I generally prefer what Burton went for with Keaton and Hingle: meeting minimally, lighting up the signal and letting Batman do his thing. But I do acknowledge more dialogue equals more opportunities for character growth, as was the case with B66 and BTAS.

At the end of the day it really is about what type of portrayal people like. A good actor and performance can be stronger than better writing. I predict Michelle will still have her throne after I see The Batman because her magnetism and accumulated nostalgia is just too strong. Plus the comic accuracy we all know about. But I do think Kravitz will be right up there.

The TV spots reveal Battinson is wearing contact lenses, that presumably record his activities during the night. Specifically crime scenes and fights he becomes involved in. Allowing him to review the footage when he goes back to the cave and theoretically improve his performance. That is a very nice touch, leaning hard into to the gadgetry and obsessiveness aspects.
I see it as a gateway to FINALLY getting a cowl with lenses over the eyes in live action.
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Post by: Travesty on Fri, 28 Jan 2022, 15:26
I hope we don't get the white lenses, I just don't think it works in live action. Especially with how amazing Pattinson's eyes look in that cowl. Reeves really knows how to make his eyes pop.

But I do like those contact lenses that can record what he sees. I think that's a good idea. I think something like that was used before in a certain comic/story, but I can't remember off the top of my head.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Fri, 28 Jan 2022, 21:47
Quote from: Travesty on Thu, 27 Jan  2022, 20:59
I still haven't seen Halle Berry's Catwoman, lol.

I don't think I've ever actually sat down and watched the entire film in one sitting. I'm sure I've seen all of it in bits and pieces when it's been on TV, but I've never been able to stomach watching the whole thing in one go. Or if I did, I only did it the once.

Maybe we should all share in the misery of revisiting Catwoman '04 this year...

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 27 Jan  2022, 21:46When people say that, I usually assume the unspoken part is "... since *I* started reading". I don't see loudmouths whining about Batman comics compared to film as often these days tho. That guy is the first one in a long time, honestly.

True. The argument over comic book accuracy seemed to peak during the Nolan era and then die down a bit. But I wouldn't be surprised if it flared up again in 2022, what with there being three live action Batman movies looming and three different Batman actors to compare.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 28 Jan 2022, 23:15
Quote from: Travesty on Fri, 28 Jan  2022, 15:26
I hope we don't get the white lenses, I just don't think it works in live action. Especially with how amazing Pattinson's eyes look in that cowl. Reeves really knows how to make his eyes pop.

But I do like those contact lenses that can record what he sees. I think that's a good idea. I think something like that was used before in a certain comic/story, but I can't remember off the top of my head.
Agree about the white lenses. It works in the comics and animation but I not convinced it does in live action. An actor's eyes enhance the performance. I'm willing to accept occasional use in something like a mech suit, but perhaps not regular use. TDK's sonar eyes are a good example against them.
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Post by: Travesty on Sat, 29 Jan 2022, 02:35
Which one is your favorite?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKOHg5hXMAAHgJf?format=jpg&name=large)
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 29 Jan 2022, 04:10
The others are okay but posters 1 and 3 from the top row are my choices.

This from Total Film is something special:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKNDePwWQAQ7XbL?format=jpg&name=large)
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Post by: eledoremassis02 on Sat, 29 Jan 2022, 23:21
pizza pizza
(https://i.postimg.cc/zvGXX7bq/Batmanpizza.png)
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Tue, 1 Feb 2022, 23:10
Tickets go on sale February 10.

Any box office predictions? The movie had a $100 million budget, so I can't see it not making a profit of some considerable size. Many platforms have it listed as the most anticipated 2022 release. I'm reluctant to say it will reach No away Home's total, but I do foresee it being successful.
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Post by: Travesty on Wed, 2 Feb 2022, 02:32
It's really hard to predict with the pandemic. I don't think it'll do Spiderman numbers, but I do think it'll be profitable. Its legs will depend on the reception it gets.

I hope it does Spiderman numbers, but we'll see.

Anybody picked up any new merch? I got a Batman McFarlane figure, a HotWheels Batmobile, and a Jada Batmobile is on the way. I'm waiting on that Hot Toys reveal.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Wed, 2 Feb 2022, 03:51
The lack of a day and date streaming release will probably benefit the theatrical run.

For better or worse, the Snyderverse is controversial among the general public. TB has less stink on it. But the general public obviously still loves Batman so I think $600 million worldwide is a safe bet. NWH numbers seem highly unlikely, yeah. But then again, NWH numbers are also unnecessary.

The real question will be whether TB is still considered "successful" even after it inevitably fails to gross $1 billion worldwide.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Wed, 2 Feb 2022, 04:22
I think the movie ends up with a healthy total, challenging the box office totals of TDK and TDK Rises. I'm happy to eat my hat if it doesn't happen, but I think the one billion mark is possible. But surpassing No Way Home is way too high a barrier. The Spider-Man fanbase is younger than Batman's and more diverse in terms of mainstream appeal.

Either way, The Batman will make a profit thanks to its $100 million budget. I hate the critics as much as anybody, but we're lying to ourselves if we pretend poor reviews don't hurt a film. They certainly smashed The Matrix Resurrections, which had the double hit of the streaming option which just about everyone who saw the film took. If the critical consensus is positive, that confirms pre-existing hype and builds momentum.

Repeat business is how you get huge box office totals.

Here's a positive statistic:

QuoteThe latest Dark Knight flick — starring Robert Pattinson and set to come out on March 4 – looks poised to drive fans to the theater. Of more than 1,000 respondents who said they are interested in seeing The Batman, 61% said they prefer to see it in a movie theater — the highest percentage of any major film coming out in the next few months.

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/omicron-surge-impacts-movie-business-with-smaller-theater-audiences/

Quote from: Travesty on Wed,  2 Feb  2022, 02:32
Anybody picked up any new merch? I got a Batman McFarlane figure, a HotWheels Batmobile, and a Jada Batmobile is on the way. I'm waiting on that Hot Toys reveal.
I'll pick up the McFarlane Toys Batman figure and the Batcycle. Possibly also their Riddler figure. Not too bothered about getting Catwoman, but we'll see. I will 100% purchase the 1:18 Jada Batmobile, which looks very impressive. I'm waiting for the Making of The Batman book too, which was delayed by a month or so, possibly due to spoiler content being contained within.
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Post by: Travesty on Wed, 2 Feb 2022, 17:25
Yeah, I'll probably be getting the Making Of book, as well.
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Post by: Travesty on Fri, 4 Feb 2022, 15:36
The Riddler's theme just dropped. I like this a lot. Slow buildup and then it just gets really creepy. I'm diggin the vibe.

https://youtu.be/x7rRdbb1qGo
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Fri, 4 Feb 2022, 17:09
I like it. And honestly, I can take or leave most of Michael Giacchino's work. Most of it never grabbed me. But his Batman music is literally the best stuff he's ever done.

As a side note, I'm very much enjoying this version of the Riddler. In a certain kind of way, Reeves isn't breaking new ground with the Riddler. Because fans have been clamoring for something similar to this Zodiac thing for a long time now. But he's the one who's finally doing it so in that sense he's doing something new and original with the character.

Nothing against Gorshin or Carrey (or Glover) but the Riddler has needed a reimagining for a long time and I salute Reeves for finally pulling the trigger (so to speak).

My anticipation for this movie isn't dying down. If anything, I'm starting to consider buying a theater ticket. That's sort of a big deal for me since I was planning to be a cheerleader on the sidelines and then finally watch the movie on streaming later.
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Post by: Travesty on Fri, 4 Feb 2022, 17:34
Yeah, Riddler has needed a reimaging for a long, long time. He's been one of my least favorite rouges for a bit. I was a little disappointed when he found out he was the villain, but I'm absolutely loving what we've seen from him.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 4 Feb 2022, 23:20
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 5 Feb 2022, 07:53
Quote from: Travesty on Wed,  2 Feb  2022, 17:25
Yeah, I'll probably be getting the Making Of book, as well.
The cover for that was recently released:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKyAhqlVgAAX6Zd?format=jpg&name=large)

BoxOfficePro projects the US opening weekend will be between $135 million to $185 million, with the cumulative domestic box office result between $340 million to $540 million. Big numbers being thrown around - let's see what happens.

Edit: For some reason I didn't see all the posts on this other page. So...

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Fri,  4 Feb  2022, 17:09
I like it. And honestly, I can take or leave most of Michael Giacchino's work. Most of it never grabbed me. But his Batman music is literally the best stuff he's ever done.
Absolutely. Since his Batman theme dropped I've been listening to it quite a lot, and it's really fantastic. The emotional segment in the middle isn't just something to endure while waiting for the main dark beats to arrive, either. It does cut to the heart of who the character is, in a very BTAS/Walker way. The Riddler Theme is a slam dunk. As someone who thinks his previous work is serviceable, Mike has stepped up to the plate big time here. A lot of the players seem to have done that.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Fri,  4 Feb  2022, 17:09
As a side note, I'm very much enjoying this version of the Riddler. In a certain kind of way, Reeves isn't breaking new ground with the Riddler. Because fans have been clamoring for something similar to this Zodiac thing for a long time now. But he's the one who's finally doing it so in that sense he's doing something new and original with the character.

Nothing against Gorshin or Carrey (or Glover) but the Riddler has needed a reimagining for a long time and I salute Reeves for finally pulling the trigger (so to speak).
Yep. Darker incarnations of Riddler have been trending for a while in other mediums and it's time for that to make the jump to the big screen. The Riddler has long been one of my top four or so villains in the rogues gallery. Probably third, after Joker and Bane. I see elements of Anarky in the Reeves version too, which makes the ingredients all the more appealing: someone creepy attacking from the shadows but with merit to his argument.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Fri,  4 Feb  2022, 17:09
My anticipation for this movie isn't dying down. If anything, I'm starting to consider buying a theater ticket. That's sort of a big deal for me since I was planning to be a cheerleader on the sidelines and then finally watch the movie on streaming later.
You do whatever you're comfortable with, but I'd recommend a cinema experience. If anything is worthy of the occasion, it's this.
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Post by: Travesty on Tue, 8 Feb 2022, 20:13
There's clips of how Batman transforms into his wingsuit. I've watched it a dozen times, and I honestly can't tell how it works. It just looks like a quick CGI cut.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Wed, 9 Feb 2022, 00:54
Quote from: Travesty on Tue,  8 Feb  2022, 20:13
There's clips of how Batman transforms into his wingsuit. I've watched it a dozen times, and I honestly can't tell how it works. It just looks like a quick CGI cut.
Looks like the cape is folded and unwraps around his chest very quickly after pulling a cord. I think it works - feels like a more realistic version of the BR glider while still being fantastical in nature.
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Post by: Travesty on Thu, 10 Feb 2022, 16:36
Got my tickets for Thursday the 3rd!
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Mon, 14 Feb 2022, 11:19
Pattinson has said he's happy to play Batman for as long as he's wanted (a trilogy and appearances in the HBO Max shows presumably) and "I'd love to do something like Court of Owls." Yes, yes, yes. A secret society fits perfectly with this universe, following on from what the Riddler is trying to expose in the first movie. And would also double down on the attempt to make Gotham more of a living, breathing world of depth and intrigue.
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Post by: Travesty on Mon, 14 Feb 2022, 14:55
He actually said he wants to do the Court of Owls? That's pretty cool.

He also said he's sat down with Reeves and they talked about where they want the character to go in future movies. Maybe they talked about the Owls? What's the full quote on that?
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Mon, 14 Feb 2022, 15:21
Quote from: Travesty on Mon, 14 Feb  2022, 14:55
He actually said he wants to do the Court of Owls? That's pretty cool.

He also said he's sat down with Reeves and they talked about where they want the character to go in future movies. Maybe they talked about the Owls? What's the full quote on that?
He said it here, and also referenced wanting Calendar Man:

https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/the-batman-robert-pattinson-sequel-villains/

My name has been down for wanting the Owls for a long time. It's a modern classic storyline and would be dynamite for a live action translation done in the high quality darkness style of Reeves and Fraser. I think the Owls could keep things feeling fresh going forward. Have your Riddlers, Penguins and Catwomans, Hell, even your Jokers. Because let's face it, they're still who the fans will want to see. But setting them in a world run by the Owls would be the difference, and slightly reduces their focus. Reeves is very big on "shaking Batman to his core".

The Owls also do that not just to him, but the mob and the costumed villains.

I have my ticket, by the way. It's the calm before the storm at the moment, but I get the feeling we're on the cusp of a B89/TDK event of significance. Perhaps not that level of hype, because those two films were truly something else. But in terms of being a good movie that banks a ton of cash, it's shaping up to be something to remember.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Sat, 19 Feb 2022, 10:33
Some new footage, some familiar footage, lots of new dialogue tho.

My anticipation for this thing is not diminishing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj1rEGbKug0
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Post by: Travesty on Sat, 19 Feb 2022, 21:42
That new scene with Batman punching Gordon seems a bit odd to me. I guess he's doing it to disguise his relationship with Gordon within the GCPD, but it was an odd scene to watch.

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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 20 Feb 2022, 14:24
My copy of Before The Batman arrived. It didn't take long to read, and while it's aimed at younger fans, it felt consistent with what Reeves is depicting in his movie. The crux of the story is that Battinson has lived in Wayne Tower since Wayne Manor became an orphanage, set up shop in the lower basement, experiments with forensics, built/modified the Batmobile himself, and briefly engaged in street racing. The book also presents the first entry of his journal and reveals he has already travelled the world learning various martial arts.

Not essential reading, but it does set the scene. What struck me was how relatable Nashton was as a character. I saw his point of view completely and didn't disagree with him either, despite his perspective being slightly off. If that is translated to the film we'll have a three dimensional villain.

Quote from: Travesty on Sat, 19 Feb  2022, 21:42
That new scene with Batman punching Gordon seems a bit odd to me. I guess he's doing it to disguise his relationship with Gordon within the GCPD, but it was an odd scene to watch.
Looked fine to me, and I'm sure will make more sense in the normal flow of the film. Really cool to see Batman run away like that at speed. My first thought was the Arkham games - that's how players move through the corridors most of the time. And it's actually what happens when Batman 'disappears' on people.

I can't finish my comment without mentioning Pattinson's voice. He nailed it, as far as I'm concerned. In terms of live action, and without digital distortion, it's up there with Keaton and Kilmer.

About ten days left.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Sun, 20 Feb 2022, 19:13
Final trailer. Supposedly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbnx6DJQ3xU

I have very few criticisms of this movie so far. Honestly, I think the overabundance of TV spots and trailers is my biggest quibble.

And yet, kind of like The Dark Knight, I don't think these trailers and spots are necessarily giving away the store with the movie's storyline. Watch closely and see how many spoilers ARE NOT in them. I value that very highly.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 20 Feb 2022, 22:35
The abundance of TV spots and trailers has been concerning from a spoiler point of view. However, I understand the need to promote a product that the studio clearly has confidence in. There isn't really any way around that. For a three hour movie, the chosen footage for the marketing really consists of the same sequences we've already seen in other clips. I'm happy about that. But indeed, I've seen enough. It's time to release the movie.
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Post by: Travesty on Tue, 22 Feb 2022, 21:17
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 20 Feb  2022, 14:24


I can't finish my comment without mentioning Pattinson's voice. He nailed it, as far as I'm concerned. In terms of live action, and without digital distortion, it's up there with Keaton and Kilmer.

I don't exactly know how I feel about the voice just yet. I can definitely say I don't hate it, but I do need to hear more of it to properly compare. I don't think it'll top Keaton or Conroy for me, but it doesn't sound sloppy like Bale's in TDK or TDKR. It does sound more like Bale from BB, which I always liked.

So we'll see. I'm just glad I don't hate it, cause it seems we'll be seeing Pattinson in the Batsuit more than any other version(aside from West), so I'm sure we'll hear him talk a lot, too.
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Post by: Travesty on Sat, 26 Feb 2022, 01:07
The full soundtrack released, and while I haven't heard the full album, I did listen to this, and I really like this track a lot. Nice buildup, and the drums come in heavy. Very moody. I like it a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6jG7bYnIaE&t
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 26 Feb 2022, 03:25
I have the album. The score isn't bad, and I'm sure it will suit the atmosphere of the film. But it's largely what I expected with Giacchino. It's similar to his Spider-Man work in the sense things are fine when the main theme is used (which is really good), but that's minimally. And outside of that the cues are somewhat average. I get the hype side of things with the movie, but I can't pretend this is Elfman or even Zimmer territory, the latter who I grew to appreciate.

These would be my picks so far:

Can't Fight City Halloween
It's Raining Vengeance
Funeral and Far Between
Highway to the Anger Zone
For All Your Pennyworth
A Bat In The Rafters Pt 2
The Bat's True Calling
All's Well That Ends Farewell

I'll revisit my initial comments after I see it paired with the action.

The opening weekend is now on target for $105-$135 million and the screenings have gone well. As someone who championed Pattinson very early on, it's hard to believe I'm seeing the movie in four days. And it's exciting that I really have minimal idea as to definitive plot spoilers. I think it's going to be good, but how good? It's going to be interesting working out film ranking after this.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Sat, 26 Feb 2022, 04:41
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 26 Feb  2022, 03:25As someone who championed Pattinson very early on, it's hard to believe I'm seeing the movie in four days.
In summary, my early reaction was...

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 31 Jan  2019, 04:54I suppose the silver lining in this is that the next movie can exist on its own terms without a necessary tie to Batman's arc of redemption under Affleck. There won't be that lingering question in the back of all our minds about connective tissue between a solo Affleck movie and the DCEU. The new movie can simply BE.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Sat,  1 Jun  2019, 02:03
I reiterate everything I said before about Pattinson. There are tons of worse choices out there. And frankly, there are probably not very many better ones.

This is a casting decision I can live with.

One thing that works for me is the detective angle. I would love for Reeves to really play up that element of the character since audiences haven't seen very much of that in live action.

Either way, I'm definitely interested in this movie now. Yes, Affleck would've been my preference but the role is definitely in good hands with Pattinson.
I have a ton of faith in him. I don't think we'll be disappointed one bit.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 26 Feb 2022, 11:00
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Sat, 26 Feb  2022, 04:41
I have a ton of faith in him. I don't think we'll be disappointed one bit.
Some older stuff I posted:

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri, 17 May  2019, 09:46
I made my mind up about Pattison weeks ago and have wanted him to get the role ever since, so I'm glad things look to have turned out this way. To be completely honest I'll be disappointed if he doesn't get it now. It clicked in my mind really fast, from "WTF" to "actually... yeah...I see it."

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat,  1 Jun  2019, 00:08
Glad to hear the deal is officially sealed. I would've been disappointed if Pat was passed over for Hoult.

These two comments also came to fruition:

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 31 Jan  2019, 07:13
I'm hoping for a detective style Batman (using a flashlight ala BTAS) with the same physicality of Affleck.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 11 Feb  2019, 11:18
But that said, how about a film that reduces the Bruce Wayne aspect for one film of a trilogy? I'm talking about something like Arkham Asylum, where Bruce is in the suit all the time.

I'm getting JOKER vibes. The tone is similar. And like that movie, the main character's struggle drives the film. Reeves said Pattinson is almost "in every scene". There's going to be plenty of time for him to create an audience connection.

They've bandied about the idea of doing a trilogy. But if Reeves approaches each film from a standalone perspective, which he says he does, what's to say a fourth doesn't eventuate? WB would've pushed Bale and Nolan for another round despite their very deliberate ending. Reeves could decide to leave things more open.

The prospect of this Batman becoming a more seasoned veteran over time with Robin and company seems too good to pass up. Three films may not be enough. Reeves reiterated he's interested in using Batman world characters only, too - which is what most of us here want with his canon.
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Post by: Travesty on Sat, 26 Feb 2022, 16:21
I just hope I like it, cause I'm loving the aesthetic and overall approach. It's where I thought Nolan would go, but he never did. Everything Reeves is saying is music to my ears. He really understands the lore and characters. He really does.  I dig the cast, and I'm loving the hardlined detective angle, where Batman is front and center. This could end up being my favorite live action Batman movie. All the pieces are there, so I'm hoping for the best. I haven't been this stoked for a Batman since BB or TDK.

I already have tickets for Thursday and Friday. I can't wait for Thursday to get here! Once I see it, I'll be in the spoilers thread talking about it. Stoked!
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Post by: Paul (ral) on Sat, 26 Feb 2022, 20:26
Does anyone fancy providing a review to place in the site's features?


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Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 27 Feb 2022, 02:03
Quote from: Travesty on Sat, 26 Feb  2022, 16:21
I haven't been this stoked for a Batman since BB or TDK.
I'm seeing quite a few people prefacing any reaction relating to The Batman with TDK praise. As if they always need to pay their obligatory respects to The Great One. I've loosened up towards that film now but it's not a sacred cow we all must bow down to. From a pure Batman perspective, Begins is the highlight of the Nolan era. And even then there are various areas for improvement. For some fans and critics, it seem the best any future Batman film (The Batman included) can hope for is 'standing alongside' TDK. Which is simply not true.

Quote from: Paul (ral) on Sat, 26 Feb  2022, 20:26
Does anyone fancy providing a review to place in the site's features?
SN may want to do that. I'll type my thoughts down in any case.
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Post by: Travesty on Mon, 28 Feb 2022, 19:03
Reviews are starting to come out. I only watched 2 from some YTrs who I like, and they seemed to love it.
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Post by: BatmanFurst on Mon, 28 Feb 2022, 20:09
Quote from: Travesty on Mon, 28 Feb  2022, 19:03
Reviews are starting to come out. I only watched 2 from some YTrs who I like, and they seemed to love it.
I'm trying to not read any of them. Will be seeing it tomorrow.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Mon, 28 Feb 2022, 21:44
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Fri,  4 Feb  2022, 17:09My anticipation for this movie isn't dying down. If anything, I'm starting to consider buying a theater ticket.
You know what? I'm full of it. This movie has earned a ticket price from me a thousand times over by now. So yeah, I'm most likely seeing it this weekend.
Title: Re: The Batman
Post by: The Dark Knight on Mon, 28 Feb 2022, 21:55
Quote from: BatmanFurst on Mon, 28 Feb  2022, 20:09
Quote from: Travesty on Mon, 28 Feb  2022, 19:03
Reviews are starting to come out. I only watched 2 from some YTrs who I like, and they seemed to love it.
I'm trying to not read any of them. Will be seeing it tomorrow.
It's getting slam dunk reviews. I'm seeing it tomorrow as well, and will share my thoughts immediately after seeing the movie. I promise there won't be spoilers. To say I'm excited is an understatement.

This thing promises to be Batman with a capital B.
Title: Re: The Batman
Post by: The Dark Knight on Wed, 2 Mar 2022, 14:24
I have seen The Batman and I've been busy digesting my thoughts.

The film has the spirit of Batman but is presented through a very different lens. Nothing in the existing back catalogue feels quite like this. It is very much a slow burn story that requires the full three hours to unravel itself. Prior to sitting down I had seen commentary that the final act was one step too many, and I can't agree. Without the last segment The Riddler's plot would lack ultimate payoff and Batman's character arc would be reduced.

The film has a near perfect balance of Batman having a feared reputation while also being a more visible operator inside the Police Force and on the streets of Gotham. Batman is able to interact with a variety of people while still guarding his emotions and holding on to his privacy. His threat level doesn't feel reduced in any way. A big well done on that - the way it was presented feels like a breakthrough achievement for the franchise.

I'm confident enough to say the relationships with Gordon and Selina are the most fleshed out we've seen so far in live action. While still being early days, Gordon and Batman feel like an established team who have built the foundations of mutual understanding and respect. Batman and Selina clearly have romantic feelings for one another, but Reeves knows how to balance that out. They have similarities but come from different worlds. They work together but ultimately remain individuals. I like where the film leaves them - it feels appropriate.

Pattinson is great as Batman. He has the brooding elements down and I'm excited to see his portrayal expand over the course of the coming films. The suit itself looks incredible in motion (I'd keep it exactly the same, including the Batmobile), as does the world he inhabits. Gotham feels like a real city while not being any one specific city, which I think is an important element to nail. Not to trash the past to justify the future, but n his trilogy Nolan inserted a variety of sight gags and quips that I felt didn't hit the mark. Reeves goes for none of that, and I believe the tone is better for it. We receive full immersion in this very specific atmosphere.

All in all, a very strong start to this new continuity. I see it as the beginning of even greater things to come.
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Post by: Travesty on Wed, 2 Mar 2022, 15:09
So did you like it? lol

How would you rank it with the other live action movies?
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Wed, 2 Mar 2022, 15:19
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 27 Feb  2022, 02:03
Quote from: Paul (ral) on Sat, 26 Feb  2022, 20:26
Does anyone fancy providing a review to place in the site's features?
SN may want to do that. I'll type my thoughts down in any case.

It might be better if you go ahead and write the site review, TDK. I'm hoping to see the film as soon as possible, but it won't be for a few more days yet. You're the first site member to have seen it and it sounds like you've got a lot of thoughts on the movie. So I think you're best qualified to pen the site review.
Title: Re: "The Batman" - NO SPOILERS
Post by: Paul (ral) on Wed, 2 Mar 2022, 15:23
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Wed,  2 Mar  2022, 15:19
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 27 Feb  2022, 02:03
Quote from: Paul (ral) on Sat, 26 Feb  2022, 20:26
Does anyone fancy providing a review to place in the site's features?
SN may want to do that. I'll type my thoughts down in any case.

It might be better if you go ahead and write the site review, TDK. I'm hoping to see the film as soon as possible, but it won't be for a few more days yet. You're the first site member to have seen it and it sounds like you've got a lot of thoughts on the movie. So I think you're best qualified to pen the site review.
Apologies that I don't have the backend admin section operating yet for adding features. After the hack I decided to re-organise the code... and it's been a pig trying to work out how I wrote it before (even with annotations I left myself throughout it!).


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Title: Re: The Batman
Post by: thecolorsblend on Wed, 2 Mar 2022, 15:33
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed,  2 Mar  2022, 14:24
I have seen The Batman and I've been busy digesting my thoughts.

The film has the spirit of Batman but is presented through a very different lens. Nothing in the existing back catalogue feels quite like this. It is very much a slow burn story that requires the full three hours to unravel itself. Prior to sitting down I had seen commentary that the final act was one step too many, and I can't agree. Without the last segment The Riddler's plot would lack ultimate payoff and Batman's character arc would be reduced.

The film has a near perfect balance of Batman having a feared reputation while also being a more visible operator inside the Police Force and on the streets of Gotham. Batman is able to interact with a variety of people while still guarding his emotions and holding on to his privacy. His threat level doesn't feel reduced in any way. A big well done on that - the way it was presented feels like a breakthrough achievement for the franchise.

I'm confident enough to say the relationships with Gordon and Selina are the most fleshed out we've seen so far in live action. While still being early days, Gordon and Batman feel like an established team who have built the foundations of mutual understanding and respect. Batman and Selina clearly have romantic feelings for one another, but Reeves knows how to balance that out. They have similarities but come from different worlds. They work together but ultimately remain individuals. I like where the film leaves them - it feels appropriate.

Pattinson is great as Batman. He has the brooding elements down and I'm excited to see his portrayal expand over the course of the coming films. The suit itself looks incredible in motion (I'd keep it exactly the same, including the Batmobile), as does the world he inhabits. Gotham feels like a real city while not being any one specific city, which I think is an important element to nail. Not to trash the past to justify the future, but n his trilogy Nolan inserted a variety of sight gags and quips that I felt didn't hit the mark. Reeves goes for none of that, and I believe the tone is better for it. We receive full immersion in this very specific atmosphere.

All in all, a very strong start to this new continuity. I see it as the beginning of even greater things to come.
Sounds intriguing. Thank you for the vagueness, btw.

Good to know our faith in this movie paid off.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Wed, 2 Mar 2022, 22:02
Quote from: Travesty on Wed,  2 Mar  2022, 15:09
So did you like it? lol

How would you rank it with the other live action movies?
Yes, I liked it. But what I think you and others will likely understand is that it's a film that needs to wash over you for a while. It's three hours long and has a lot happening within its runtime. It may be a broken record, but this is nothing like the other Batman films in the franchise. And that's a good thing. It's almost in its own category. It has a number of references to the West show (there was a minor but surprising element we haven't seen since the debut of that series).

It simultaneously has elements of other portrayals of Gotham: the otherworldly seediness of Burton, the neon of Schumacher and the real world grit of Nolan. The opening montage communicates this vibe. In terms of what Reeves brings to the table I believe it's a claustrophobic sense of being trapped inside a city that is nearly always raining, and due to Batman's bigger presence in the film's runtime, perpetually at night. Outside of Furst's Gotham I think this is the best one.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Wed,  2 Mar  2022, 15:33
Sounds intriguing. Thank you for the vagueness, btw.

Good to know our faith in this movie paid off.
I respect this crowd too much to spoil anything. It's one thing to tell someone what happened. The Batman is a film an individual needs to experience themselves. I think you will find it very intriguing - it's a win for those who are burnt out on the commonality of modern superhero film formula. The Batman bravely stands against that and wins. There's hard action but it's not the centrepiece here. The mystery and atmosphere is. Simply being in the world that Reeves has created.

Quote from: Paul (ral) on Wed,  2 Mar  2022, 15:23
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Wed,  2 Mar  2022, 15:19
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 27 Feb  2022, 02:03
Quote from: Paul (ral) on Sat, 26 Feb  2022, 20:26
Does anyone fancy providing a review to place in the site's features?
SN may want to do that. I'll type my thoughts down in any case.

It might be better if you go ahead and write the site review, TDK. I'm hoping to see the film as soon as possible, but it won't be for a few more days yet. You're the first site member to have seen it and it sounds like you've got a lot of thoughts on the movie. So I think you're best qualified to pen the site review.
Apologies that I don't have the backend admin section operating yet for adding features. After the hack I decided to re-organise the code... and it's been a pig trying to work out how I wrote it before (even with annotations I left myself throughout it!).


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I'll keep jotting things down. Looking forward to what all you think of the movie yourselves soon.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Wed, 2 Mar 2022, 22:40
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed,  2 Mar  2022, 22:02
I think you will find it very intriguing - it's a win for those who are burnt out on the commonality of modern superhero film formula. The Batman bravely stands against that and wins. There's hard action but it's not the centrepiece here. The mystery and atmosphere is. Simply being in the world that Reeves has created.

This is exactly what I was hoping to hear. :) I can't wait to see it and get stuck into some spoiler discussions.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Wed, 2 Mar 2022, 23:06
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Wed,  2 Mar  2022, 22:40
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed,  2 Mar  2022, 22:02
I think you will find it very intriguing - it's a win for those who are burnt out on the commonality of modern superhero film formula. The Batman bravely stands against that and wins. There's hard action but it's not the centrepiece here. The mystery and atmosphere is. Simply being in the world that Reeves has created.

This is exactly what I was hoping to hear. :) I can't wait to see it and get stuck into some spoiler discussions.
You get that in spades. The Batman takes its time and will be a shock to the system for anyone expecting anything remotely resembling the Marvel or DCEU machine. But it remains undeniably heroic in its presentation of Batman. He's a focused man but not a bad one.

There's an encounter between Batman and Nashton which we see in the trailers, the "what have you done?" dialogue, that makes this Riddler for me. Without it I believe there wouldn't have been enough meat on his bones. I won't go any further (that will be for the spoiler thread) but it taps into certain psychological themes that benefit both characters, making the clear distinction between hero and villain, and our own perceptions of reality.

The score works, too. This is not an action film and the music reflects that. It's a soundtrack tailor made for the viewing experience first and foremost. Every Batman gets the sound he deserves, and Pattinson has his.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Thu, 3 Mar 2022, 04:10
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed,  2 Mar  2022, 22:02
I respect this crowd too much to spoil anything. It's one thing to tell someone what happened. The Batman is a film an individual needs to experience themselves. I think you will find it very intriguing - it's a win for those who are burnt out on the commonality of modern superhero film formula. The Batman bravely stands against that and wins. There's hard action but it's not the centrepiece here. The mystery and atmosphere is. Simply being in the world that Reeves has created.
As you probably know, I've been looking for something different. Anything to escape the banality of most comic book films these days. The way you're describing this movie makes it sound like it takes a lot of the essential formulas of modern comic book cinema and throws many of them away. That sounds fine by me.

Your comment about the slow burn nature of the movie is esp appealing. I enjoy all previous Batman movies. But at the same time, the main conflict tends to be established and in full swing by the fifteen minute mark. The idea of something that unravels slowly over three hours is a breath of fresh air.

Looks like I'll be seeing the movie on Saturday. I'll pop over to the spoiler thread (which I haven't even opened yet; it's still marked Unread in my browser) and dash off some thoughts about the movie.

Never would've thought we'd end up here with a movie like this. But I'm perfectly happy with how things have worked out.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 3 Mar 2022, 04:37
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu,  3 Mar  2022, 04:10
Never would've thought we'd end up here with a movie like this. But I'm perfectly happy with how things have worked out.
It's the real deal in terms of being a slow burn. The Batman would go over a youngster's head and I have no doubt they'd be bored. I'm not saying I disliked the movie initially. Far from it. But the more I think about it the more my appreciation grows. I dig the pacing. We get about an hour or so of Batman doing his thing, with Bruce barely at home or talking to Alfred. So when he does appear in public as Bruce Wayne you know where his mind is at. Scenes are allowed to breathe in ways a two hour film cannot.

Traditional Batman elements are there but feel organic and not forced. Where is the Batmobile, you begin to wonder. It eventually appears, and memorably. Then it's gone. The Batcycle is there, too. But minimally. In the context of the Reeves universe things feel undeniably different and unique. Batman beats people down but isn't depicted as an invincible superhero at all times. It's a movie you feel as much as anything.
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Post by: BatmanFurst on Thu, 3 Mar 2022, 18:25
Idk what to think about it as a whole quite yet. I'd like to see it again. For me it's no Dark Knight, and it has less action than you're probably expecting. However, this has to have the most Batman screen time in comparison to the other live action movies. Surprisingly Bruce Wayne is the character that's barely in it.

Only big complaints I had were Paul Dano's performance as Riddler. I felt like he didn't fit with the rest of the movie and there are moments where he's trying to act crazy and it had me cringing. Also, his final plan didn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

I'm curious to know what you guys think. Everyone seems to love it.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 3 Mar 2022, 22:06
Quote from: BatmanFurst on Thu,  3 Mar  2022, 18:25
Idk what to think about it as a whole quite yet. I'd like to see it again. For me it's no Dark Knight, and it has less action than you're probably expecting. However, this has to have the most Batman screen time in comparison to the other live action movies. Surprisingly Bruce Wayne is the character that's barely in it.
You're right it's no TDK. People were trying to say the closest series it could be compared to is Nolan's trilogy. But The Batman doesn't fit in with any pre-existing Batman movie. Given that difference, some will find it jarring. As ViewerAnon tweeted, at a screening the "crowd was expecting to cheer and holler like it's No Way Home and instead they got #TheBatman, a long slow-burn detective story."

It's like listening to Michael Giacchino's score beforehand and wanting epic Zimmer action cues everywhere. After seeing the movie I truly get what The Batman is about. Right now, the understated and sparse references to Giacchino's main Batman theme are the best because they capture the vibe. I particularly love 'Hoarding School', and the scene that accompanies it would be a top Batman moment for me. And it simply involves Batman and Gordon walking through a certain environment with flashlights. Embracing the silence and the darkness is to embrace The Batman.

Quote from: BatmanFurst on Thu,  3 Mar  2022, 18:25
Only big complaints I had were Paul Dano's performance as Riddler. I felt like he didn't fit with the rest of the movie and there are moments where he's trying to act crazy and it had me cringing. Also, his final plan didn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
I have something more to say here but will save it for the spoiler thread. I will say his plan is more straightforward than Ledger Joker or Hardy's Bane, but no less devastating. I liked that element, because while it required planning, it had less plot convenience. Another reason I liked the final act is that with Zodiac types when you think the ride is over, it isn't. Riddler could be a one and done villain in this universe and I wouldn't be dissatisfied. He got his point across.
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Post by: Travesty on Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 04:10
I dunno, I absolutely loved it. I'm having a hard time thinking of things I didn't like about it. People keep talking about the third act, but I had no problems with it. And that score was amazing.

I really am trying to think of things that I wasn't feelin, but I thoroughly loved it. I'm going again tomorrow, and I'm totally stoked.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 04:28
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People keep talking about the third act, but I had no problems with it.
Glad you appreciated it too. And I agree - the third act is an essential part of the movie.

I'll see it again on the weekend.
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Post by: Travesty on Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 04:35
I'll be in the spoiler thread after I see it again and properly digest it, but goddamn, did I love this movie. I'm going to give it more time and viewings, but I think this is my favorite live action Batman movie. I loved it!
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 04:40
I'm jotting down some observations between The Riddler and Batman which I think are important. More time and more viewings are the answer to a movie like this. Since I first saw it I haven't been able to stop thinking and typing about it. I'm now thinking it's possible if my childhood connection to Burton didn't exist I'd have no problem placing this at the top. Getting a trilogy or more of movies like this would be something else.
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Post by: Travesty on Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 04:48
Oh, and another thing: Pattinson's Batvoice. I absolutely loved it! It was just the right amount of gruffly disguise, but not overbearing like Bale's. I had no problems understanding him. It was great!

Man, I loved this movie! lol
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 04:55
The opening segment that establishes Gotham feels like a modern love letter to the beginning of B89. We get an establishing shot from within the city that feels very inspired by that film, and we see how criminals feel about the possibility of running in to Batman. I have the introduction of Pattinson just about on par with Keaton's encounter with Nick and Eddie. Right now is a good time for those who sat at the front of the Pattinson Train.
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Post by: Gotham Knight on Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 14:49
I have a chance to see it tonight. I'm very curious about it. It's funny that most of the bad reviews I'm seeing go up on Youtube are predictably people who still carry a torch for The Dark Knight. Now I've come way around on the Nolan films and many of you will remember that I was a Burton or death guy at one time. Away from the toxicity of fandoms I was able to enjoy them. Alot. And being on the outside feels good. I don't feel the need to tear down the next wave of Batman stuff anymore. I can tune out the mob and just enjoy the thing on its own terms. I was all in on Battinson's casting and I look forward to sharing my thoughts. Let's see what we got!
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 15:24
Quote from: Gotham Knight on Fri,  4 Mar  2022, 14:49
I have a chance to see it tonight. I'm very curious about it. It's funny that most of the bad reviews I'm seeing go up on Youtube are predictably people who still carry a torch for The Dark Knight. Now I've come way around on the Nolan films and many of you will remember that I was a Burton or death guy at one time. Away from the toxicity of fandoms I was able to enjoy them.
Yeah, pretty much this. Getting shown the door at, ahem, that OTHER forum and settling in around here was good detox for me. Now, I can appreciate Nolan's trilogy in a way I never could've back then.

Amazing what one small change in the environment can make.

Quote from: Gotham Knight on Fri,  4 Mar  2022, 14:49Alot. And being on the outside feels good. I don't feel the need to tear down the next wave of Batman stuff anymore. I can tune out the mob and just enjoy the thing on its own terms. I was all in on Battinson's casting and I look forward to sharing my thoughts. Let's see what we got!
The thing about Pattinson that works great for me is how it looks like there will be plenty of room to develop and evolve his version of the character in sequels. No idea if that was intentional. But the way people describe Pattinson's portrayal of the character, there are many ways to grow and refine him.

I don't think any previous incarnation of Batman onscreen has ever been in quite this position before.
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Post by: Travesty on Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 16:38
I woke up happy knowing that I'm going to see this again.

I'll be in the theater in about 3hrs. Lets do this!

(I may go tomorrow and Sun, lol)
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 19:22
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The thing about Pattinson that works great for me is how it looks like there will be plenty of room to develop and evolve his version of the character in sequels. No idea if that was intentional. But the way people describe Pattinson's portrayal of the character, there are many ways to grow and refine him.

I don't think any previous incarnation of Batman onscreen has ever been in quite this position before.
It's a huge reason why I'm so eager for the sequels. The people who say Pattinson's Bruce Wayne is lacking can't really use that as a complaint when they're witnessing the opening gambit of a character arc. The portrayal is deliberate and designed to grow. I see why at least three HBO Max spin-offs have been bandied about as well. There's a lot of ground covered in The Batman, but with such a complex Gotham City having been created it's screaming to be fleshed out. Because as I said previously, I'm not sure if three films would be enough otherwise. People would be left wanting more to see the full developments take place.
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Post by: Gotham Knight on Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 20:21
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Quote from: thecolorsblend on Fri,  4 Mar  2022, 15:24
The thing about Pattinson that works great for me is how it looks like there will be plenty of room to develop and evolve his version of the character in sequels. No idea if that was intentional. But the way people describe Pattinson's portrayal of the character, there are many ways to grow and refine him.

I don't think any previous incarnation of Batman onscreen has ever been in quite this position before.
It's a huge reason why I'm so eager for the sequels. The people who say Pattinson's Bruce Wayne is lacking can't really use that as a complaint when they're witnessing the opening gambit of a character arc. The portrayal is deliberate and designed to grow. I see why at least three HBO Max spin-offs have been bandied about as well. There's a lot of ground covered in The Batman, but with such a complex Gotham City having been created it's screaming to be fleshed out. Because as I said previously, I'm not sure if three films would be enough otherwise. People would be left wanting more to see the full developments take place.
Indeed. I think (based on what I've seen and heard thus far) that Bruce 'lacking' may indeed be the point. I've heard Bruce Wayne in this universe isn't really good at doing Bruce Wayne and rarely does it. I hear they play up the 'weird' aspects of Batman which some folks just don't wanna deal with. The mere notion that he might be psychologically eccentric or calling attention to the possibility mortifies some.

Getting back to bad reviews coming from TDK enthusiasts, I've noticed that a lot of these reviews are prefaced by 'hey remember when Batman was fun?!' as though The Dark Knight films were a comedy cavalcade or didn't portray Batman as a messed up guy. It might be that the Nolan series portrays him that way, but decides in the end to be unambiguously on his side despite his flagrant and frequent lapses.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:03
The film telegraphs that changes need to be made for a variety of reasons. Being vengeance full time has side effects. Bruce Wayne as a character doesn't exist yet - he's simply Batman whether he's wearing the suit or not. In comparison, it's remarkable how lighter Nolan's trilogy feels to Reeves in terms of comic relief and tone. Those films feel like more traditional blockbusters. It's my belief that The Batman is the starkest difference from Adam West you will find, and it's another reason why I like having different portrayals to satisfy different moods. There are varying degrees of lightness and darkness now.
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Post by: BatmanFurst on Sat, 5 Mar 2022, 16:42
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Idk what to think about it as a whole quite yet. I'd like to see it again. For me it's no Dark Knight, and it has less action than you're probably expecting. However, this has to have the most Batman screen time in comparison to the other live action movies. Surprisingly Bruce Wayne is the character that's barely in it.
You're right it's no TDK. People were trying to say the closest series it could be compared to is Nolan's trilogy. But The Batman doesn't fit in with any pre-existing Batman movie. Given that difference, some will find it jarring. As ViewerAnon tweeted, at a screening the "crowd was expecting to cheer and holler like it's No Way Home and instead they got #TheBatman, a long slow-burn detective story."

It's like listening to Michael Giacchino's score beforehand and wanting epic Zimmer action cues everywhere. After seeing the movie I truly get what The Batman is about. Right now, the understated and sparse references to Giacchino's main Batman theme are the best because they capture the vibe. I particularly love 'Hoarding School', and the scene that accompanies it would be a top Batman moment for me. And it simply involves Batman and Gordon walking through a certain environment with flashlights. Embracing the silence and the darkness is to embrace The Batman.

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Only big complaints I had were Paul Dano's performance as Riddler. I felt like he didn't fit with the rest of the movie and there are moments where he's trying to act crazy and it had me cringing. Also, his final plan didn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
I have something more to say here but will save it for the spoiler thread. I will say his plan is more straightforward than Ledger Joker or Hardy's Bane, but no less devastating. I liked that element, because while it required planning, it had less plot convenience. Another reason I liked the final act is that with Zodiac types when you think the ride is over, it isn't. Riddler could be a one and done villain in this universe and I wouldn't be dissatisfied. He got his point across.

I saw it again yesterday and the movie did work better for me once I knew where it was headed. However, to go off of your final point this movie is billing itself as a murder mystery detective story, but I didn't really think that Batman was key in solving anything. It's the same problem I have with Mask of the Phantasm where you could remove Batman from this story and Riddlers plan would still play out in the same way.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Sat, 5 Mar 2022, 19:08
I just saw it. Wow. I want to talk about every aspect of this film in depth over the next few weeks, but for now my immediate spoiler-free reaction is that I loved it. I went in with high expectations and wasn't disappointed. I'd say it's easily the best Batman film since The Dark Knight, and – notwithstanding my nostalgic preference for some of the older films – it's a serious contender for the title of best live action Batman movie ever. I thought it was that good.

It's beautifully shot and boasts top notch cinematography. I liked how there were so many quieter scenes where the characters and plot were allowed to breathe. It's less dependent on dialogue than some of the earlier Batman films, which results in effective cinematic moments where plot points are revealed visually and not just verbally. I'm confident it'll net some Academy Award nominations next year. If nothing else, it should get nominations for best makeup and editing. Regarding the runtime, I was so absorbed by the characters and the world Reeves created for them that I didn't feel the movie dragged. Many CBMs are long because they're bloated with repetitive CG action scenes, but The Batman is long because it takes its time unfolding its labyrinthine plot. I was too immersed in what was happening to ever feel bored, but it's possible the length might be an issue on repeated viewings. I'll have to wait and see.

I've got family connections to Liverpool and that makes me biased in favour of its use as Gotham, but even without that I still think The Batman has one of the best depictions of Gotham City that we've seen in live action. It feels just as gothic as Burton's Gotham in its own way, but it also feels more like a real expansive city. The action scenes serve the plot and never feel like a substitute for it, and none of them drag on for too long. I'd like to analyse Battinson's fighting style in more depth at a later time, but for now I'll say that his approach to combat seems to involve a fusion of boxing, Jiu-Jitsu and street fighting. The fight scenes weren't quite as slick as the warehouse scene in BvS, but that makes sense since this is a relatively new Batman and since the tone of the film is a lot more grounded than Snyder's. This Batman gets tagged in combat. He gets hurt. He gets tired. But he doesn't kill anyone, which just goes to show that you can have a dark gritty Batman and still have him abide by his golden rule.

The score is very effective. The use of cellos and a waterphone are particularly creepy and help punctuate moments of suspense and horror. Speaking of horror, Reeves has succeeded in updating the Riddler and making him frightening for 21st century audiences. The core of the comic book Riddler remains intact, and there are elements adapted directly from Geoff Johns' Earth One: Volume 2 and Scott Snyder's Zero Year, but Reeves also adds some original touches that help distinguish his interpretation in the same way that Burton put his own spin on Catwoman and Nolan put his own spin on the Joker. I know a lot of people are comparing Dano's Riddler to Jigsaw or John Doe from David Fincher's Se7en, but more than anything he reminded me of the Gemini Killer (Brad Dourif) from The Exorcist III. There's one particular scene where it almost feels as though Dano is channelling Dourif's performance, but I'll write more about that in the spoiler thread. Bottom line, this is the dark updated version of the Riddler that fans have been waiting for and I don't think they could have handled the character much better.

Pattinson's very good in the lead. It's hard to judge his Batman entirely, since he's yet to establish the public Bruce Wayne side of his persona. But as far as the costumed side goes, he's calm and sinister and I liked his bat-voice more than Bale's or Affleck's. I loved all the sequences with him and Gordon investigating crime scenes and working together to crack the Riddler's clues. I also preferred Kravitz's Catwoman over Anne Hathaway's or Halle Berry's, though I didn't like her as much as Michelle Pfeiffer's version. Since the public Bruce Wayne has yet to be defined in this universe, there's no real Bruce/Selina relationship like there was in Batman Returns. It's just Batman and Catwoman. But that works in the context of the story Reeves is telling, and Pattinson and Kravitz have more screen chemistry than Bale and Hathaway did.

There's lots more to say, but for now I'm just throwing together some of my immediate reactions in no particular order. Hence the messiness of this post. I thoroughly enjoyed The Batman and I can't wait to see where Reeves takes us with the sequels. He's already delivered so many of the things I've been asking for in a Batman movie – the emphasis on detective work, the adherence to the no kill rule, the Halloween setting, etc – that he's either been browsing these boards or else he's just thinking along the same lines as us fans. Either way, the Batman franchise is in very safe hands as long as Matt Reeves is at the helm.

My opinion of this movie might change once my hype has died down and I've had more time to think about it, but for now I'm giving it a confident thumbs up and recommending all Batman fans go see it.
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Post by: BatmanFurst on Sat, 5 Mar 2022, 23:22
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sat,  5 Mar  2022, 19:08
I just saw it. Wow. I want to talk about every aspect of this film in depth over the next few weeks, but for now my immediate spoiler-free reaction is that I loved it. I went in with high expectations and wasn't disappointed. I'd say it's easily the best Batman film since The Dark Knight, and – notwithstanding my nostalgic preference for some of the older films – it's a serious contender for the title of best live action Batman movie ever. I thought it was that good.

It's beautifully shot and boasts top notch cinematography. I liked how there were so many quieter scenes where the characters and plot were allowed to breathe. It's less dependent on dialogue than some of the earlier Batman films, which results in effective cinematic moments where plot points are revealed visually and not just verbally. I'm confident it'll net some Academy Award nominations next year. If nothing else, it should get nominations for best makeup and editing. Regarding the runtime, I was so absorbed by the characters and the world Reeves created for them that I didn't feel the movie dragged. Many CBMs are long because they're bloated with repetitive CG action scenes, but The Batman is long because it takes its time unfolding its labyrinthine plot. I was too immersed in what was happening to ever feel bored, but it's possible the length might be an issue on repeated viewings. I'll have to wait and see.

I've got family connections to Liverpool and that makes me biased in favour of its use as Gotham, but even without that I still think The Batman has one of the best depictions of Gotham City that we've seen in live action. It feels just as gothic as Burton's Gotham in its own way, but it also feels more like a real expansive city. The action scenes serve the plot and never feel like a substitute for it, and none of them drag on for too long. I'd like to analyse Battinson's fighting style in more depth at a later time, but for now I'll say that his approach to combat seems to involve a fusion of boxing, Jiu-Jitsu and street fighting. The fight scenes weren't quite as slick as the warehouse scene in BvS, but that makes sense since this is a relatively new Batman and since the tone of the film is a lot more grounded than Snyder's. This Batman gets tagged in combat. He gets hurt. He gets tired. But he doesn't kill anyone, which just goes to show that you can have a dark gritty Batman and still have him abide by his golden rule.

The score is very effective. The use of cellos and a waterphone are particularly creepy and help punctuate moments of suspense and horror. Speaking of horror, Reeves has succeeded in updating the Riddler and making him frightening for 21st century audiences. The core of the comic book Riddler remains intact, and there are elements adapted directly from Geoff Johns' Earth One: Volume 2 and Scott Snyder's Zero Year, but Reeves also adds some original touches that help distinguish his interpretation in the same way that Burton put his own spin on Catwoman and Nolan put his own spin on the Joker. I know a lot of people are comparing Dano's Riddler to Jigsaw or John Doe from David Fincher's Se7en, but more than anything he reminded me of the Gemini Killer (Brad Dourif) from The Exorcist III. There's one particular scene where it almost feels as though Dano is channelling Dourif's performance, but I'll write more about that in the spoiler thread. Bottom line, this is the dark updated version of the Riddler that fans have been waiting for and I don't think they could have handled the character much better.

Pattinson's very good in the lead. It's hard to judge his Batman entirely, since he's yet to establish the public Bruce Wayne side of his persona. But as far as the costumed side goes, he's calm and sinister and I liked his bat-voice more than Bale's or Affleck's. I loved all the sequences with him and Gordon investigating crime scenes and working together to crack the Riddler's clues. I also preferred Kravitz's Catwoman over Anne Hathaway's or Halle Berry's, though I didn't like her as much as Michelle Pfeiffer's version. Since the public Bruce Wayne has yet to be defined in this universe, there's no real Bruce/Selina relationship like there was in Batman Returns. It's just Batman and Catwoman. But that works in the context of the story Reeves is telling, and Pattinson and Kravitz have more screen chemistry than Bale and Hathaway did.

There's lots more to say, but for now I'm just throwing together some of my immediate reactions in no particular order. Hence the messiness of this post. I thoroughly enjoyed The Batman and I can't wait to see where Reeves takes us with the sequels. He's already delivered so many of the things I've been asking for in a Batman movie – the emphasis on detective work, the adherence to the no kill rule, the Halloween setting, etc – that he's either been browsing these boards or else he's just thinking along the same lines as us fans. Either way, the Batman franchise is in very safe hands as long as Matt Reeves is at the helm.

My opinion of this movie might change once my hype has died down and I've had more time to think about it, but for now I'm giving it a confident thumbs up and recommending all Batman fans go see it.
Happy to hear you liked it. I definitely appreciated what you were saying about the quieter scenes. This gets back to the type of filmmaking that I liked about Burton's films in that there is a lot of visual storytelling in here. Things are left implied or ambiguous. I loved Catwoman and Batman's relationship and a lot of it is conveyed through what's not said between them.
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Post by: DocLathropBrown on Sat, 5 Mar 2022, 23:36
The film was a friggin' masterpiece.

Sure, there's a few quibbles--I wish the costumes were more comic-booky, and that the Batmobile had fins.

...but that's about it.

Objectively, it's the best film starring the character that's ever been made. Boy, was I glad to be so wrong.
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Post by: BatmanFurst on Sat, 5 Mar 2022, 23:39
Quote from: DocLathropBrown on Sat,  5 Mar  2022, 23:36
The film was a friggin' masterpiece.

Sure, there's a few quibbles--I wish the costumes were more comic-booky, and that the Batmobile had fins.

...but that's about it.

Objectively, it's the best film starring the character that's ever been made. Boy, was I glad to be so wrong.
Hold up, are you on Reddit with the same name? I talked to you on a post regarding Batman 89 not too long ago. I can't believe I didn't recognize you from here.
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Post by: DocLathropBrown on Sun, 6 Mar 2022, 00:00
Quote from: BatmanFurst on Sat,  5 Mar  2022, 23:39
Quote from: DocLathropBrown on Sat,  5 Mar  2022, 23:36
The film was a friggin' masterpiece.

Sure, there's a few quibbles--I wish the costumes were more comic-booky, and that the Batmobile had fins.

...but that's about it.

Objectively, it's the best film starring the character that's ever been made. Boy, was I glad to be so wrong.
Hold up, are you on Reddit with the same name? I talked to you on a post regarding Batman 89 not too long ago. I can't believe I didn't recognize you from here.

Yup, I'm the only "DocLathropBrown" on the internet lol

I get around.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Sun, 6 Mar 2022, 01:44
Just came out of the movie. Absolutely loved it. What makes the movie for me is the detective angle.

I can understand why people compare it to TDK. That's the closest thing overall to what TB is so that's what people mention. But honestly, the two movies have nothing in common with each other.

I want to digest the movie a bit before seeing it again. I know I love it. But where does it stack up with everything else? That's harder to answer. Still, I can't recommend TB enough. Assuming there are any more holdouts here, I highly encourage seeing this movie as soon as possible.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 6 Mar 2022, 02:02
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sat,  5 Mar  2022, 19:08
I just saw it. Wow. I want to talk about every aspect of this film in depth over the next few weeks, but for now my immediate spoiler-free reaction is that I loved it. I went in with high expectations and wasn't disappointed. I'd say it's easily the best Batman film since The Dark Knight, and – notwithstanding my nostalgic preference for some of the older films – it's a serious contender for the title of best live action Batman movie ever. I thought it was that good.

Quote from: DocLathropBrown on Sat,  5 Mar  2022, 23:36
The film was a friggin' masterpiece.

Sure, there's a few quibbles--I wish the costumes were more comic-booky, and that the Batmobile had fins.

...but that's about it.

Objectively, it's the best film starring the character that's ever been made. Boy, was I glad to be so wrong.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Sun,  6 Mar  2022, 01:44
Just came out of the movie. Absolutely loved it. What makes the movie for me is the detective angle.

I can understand why people compare it to TDK. That's the closest thing overall to what TB is so that's what people mention. But honestly, the two movies have nothing in common with each other.

I want to digest the movie a bit before seeing it again. I know I love it. But where does it stack up with everything else? That's harder to answer. Still, I can't recommend TB enough. Assuming there are any more holdouts here, I highly encourage seeing this movie as soon as possible.

Glad you all liked it. I think our feelings on the key points are universal. It's a different beast, it's pure Batman and a breath of fresh air. I've spaced my second viewing out and it's worthwhile to approach it that way. I enjoyed myself even more, and think it's on equal ground with Burton in terms of appreciation but for other reasons. I'm glad you saw it in the cinema colors, because this movie particularly needs that level of immersion.
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Post by: thecolorsblend on Sun, 6 Mar 2022, 05:38
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun,  6 Mar  2022, 02:02Glad you all liked it. I think our feelings on the key points are universal. It's a different beast, it's pure Batman and a breath of fresh air. I've spaced my second viewing out and it's worthwhile to approach it that way. I enjoyed myself even more, and think it's on equal ground with Burton in terms of appreciation but for other reasons. I'm glad you saw it in the cinema colors, because this movie particularly needs that level of immersion.
I'll go a step farther and say that the movie was worth waiting through all of the delays and the drama. Quality material always is. I understand that the movie has to appeal to wide audiences. But there are a lot of treats for the hardcore fans going on in the movie and I value that.
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Post by: Travesty on Sun, 6 Mar 2022, 16:13
Oh man, I'm so happy to see most of you liked it.

I've seen it three times now. I can't stop gushing over this movie. And that score is just stuck in my head. Giacchino did an amazing job with it. It may be the most effective Batman score. I still think Elfman has the most iconic Batman theme, but Giacchino has the overall better pace and mood. And one thing I loved about Reeves, is how he just held shots. You really get an understanding of what Batman is thinking, even if it's just him staring onward.

Bah, I love this movie!
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Sun, 6 Mar 2022, 17:12
Quote from: Travesty on Sun,  6 Mar  2022, 16:13
And one thing I loved about Reeves, is how he just held shots. You really get an understanding of what Batman is thinking, even if it's just him staring onward.

Pattinson's Batman has a quality which, for me at least, has been lacking from every actor in the role since Keaton: that pensive internalised air of thoughtfulness, where you can tell he's constantly thinking and weighing his options. He doesn't stare at things blankly; he stares at them as though he's analysing them. Keaton exuded the same quality, and West did too in a more comical sense. I never really saw it in Kilmer, Clooney, Bale or Affleck, but Pattinson's got it. His Batman voice was perfect, but his body language was also carefully calculated for maximum effect. When not fighting he moves slowly and with precision, as though each step or inclination of his head is driven by intellect rather than impulse. It's hard to articulate the exact quality I mean, but West, Keaton and Pattinson all had it.
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Post by: BatmanFurst on Sun, 6 Mar 2022, 19:33
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sun,  6 Mar  2022, 17:12
Quote from: Travesty on Sun,  6 Mar  2022, 16:13
And one thing I loved about Reeves, is how he just held shots. You really get an understanding of what Batman is thinking, even if it's just him staring onward.

Pattinson's Batman has a quality which, for me at least, has been lacking from every actor in the role since Keaton: that pensive internalised air of thoughtfulness, where you can tell he's constantly thinking and weighing his options. He doesn't stare at things blankly; he stares at them as though he's analysing them. Keaton exuded the same quality, and West did too in a more comical sense. I never really saw it in Kilmer, Clooney, Bale or Affleck, but Pattinson's got it. His Batman voice was perfect, but his body language was also carefully calculated for maximum effect. When not fighting he moves slowly and with precision, as though each step or inclination of his head is driven by intellect rather than impulse. It's hard to articulate the exact quality I mean, but West, Keaton and Pattinson all had it.

I completely agree. For the longest time I felt that Keaton was the only Batman actor that understood less is more. However, Pattinson got it right. Wasn't too much of a fan as to how that boiled over into his Bruce Wayne, but I thought the understated approach to Batman was on point and it's something we haven't seen on screen in 30 years.
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Post by: DocLathropBrown on Sun, 6 Mar 2022, 19:54
Quote from: BatmanFurst on Sun,  6 Mar  2022, 19:33

I completely agree. For the longest time I felt that Keaton was the only Batman actor that understood less is more. However, Pattinson got it right. Wasn't too much of a fan as to how that boiled over into his Bruce Wayne, but I thought the understated approach to Batman was on point and it's something we haven't seen on screen in 30 years.

Well, actually I think Affleck had it in spades--despite my problems with the movies, I was very much a fan of how Affleck played the character. Very evocative of Keaton, especially in BvS.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sun, 6 Mar 2022, 23:24
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sun,  6 Mar  2022, 17:12
Quote from: Travesty on Sun,  6 Mar  2022, 16:13
And one thing I loved about Reeves, is how he just held shots. You really get an understanding of what Batman is thinking, even if it's just him staring onward.

Pattinson's Batman has a quality which, for me at least, has been lacking from every actor in the role since Keaton: that pensive internalised air of thoughtfulness, where you can tell he's constantly thinking and weighing his options. He doesn't stare at things blankly; he stares at them as though he's analysing them. Keaton exuded the same quality, and West did too in a more comical sense. I never really saw it in Kilmer, Clooney, Bale or Affleck, but Pattinson's got it. His Batman voice was perfect, but his body language was also carefully calculated for maximum effect. When not fighting he moves slowly and with precision, as though each step or inclination of his head is driven by intellect rather than impulse. It's hard to articulate the exact quality I mean, but West, Keaton and Pattinson all had it.
Good point. Keaton and Pattinson especially have the power of extended silence which gives them an aura of weird mystery. Which is why I can't understand the comments which claim Pattinson feels like a regular man who happens to wear a fancy suit. He feels a lot more than that to me. He's operating on a heightened sense of awareness in the way you describe.
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Post by: Paul (ral) on Thu, 10 Mar 2022, 12:17
my spoiler free review

https://www.batman-online.com/features/2022/3/10/the-batman-2022-review
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Thu, 10 Mar 2022, 12:45
Quote from: Paul (ral) on Thu, 10 Mar  2022, 12:17
my spoiler free review

https://www.batman-online.com/features/2022/3/10/the-batman-2022-review
Good thoughts Paul. I agree the film is being praised across the fandom. A large part of that is Reeves tapping into various influences from different eras, with Burton and Nolan fans particularly getting a lot of what they want. Your point about Batman being depicted like a sheriff is amplified when you consider the sound of his boots when he walks.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Thu, 10 Mar 2022, 16:55
Quote from: Paul (ral) on Thu, 10 Mar  2022, 12:17
my spoiler free review

https://www.batman-online.com/features/2022/3/10/the-batman-2022-review

Good review, ral. I didn't detect the reference to Hefti's theme in Giacchino's score, but I'll certainly keep an ear out for it the next time I watch the movie.
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Post by: Silver Nemesis on Fri, 18 Mar 2022, 20:51
Nicolas Cage wants to play Egghead in the sequel.

Quote"I've been thinking about this, because we have this new, Robert Pattinson as the Batman, which I'm excited to see but I haven't seen it yet. The villain that Vincent Price played on the '60s show, Egghead. I think I want to have a go at Egghead. I think I could make him absolutely terrifying. And I have a concept for Egghead. So let them know over at Warner Bros. I'm down for Egghead."
https://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3707162/nicolas-cage-wants-to-play-a-terrifying-version-of-batman-villain-egghead/

I'm game. Nicholas Cage as Egghead. Why not?

Jason Alexander also said he wanted to play Egghead back in 2019.

Quote"Haven't seen Joker yet but it's clearly a hit. So, in anticipation of films featuring other Batman villains, who would be better than me to play Egghead? Go ahead, throw out some names."
https://comicbook.com/dc/news/joker-jason-alexander-wants-to-play-egghead-batman-villain/
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Mon, 16 May 2022, 12:18
I managed to pick up The Art of The Batman book recently. It's not as in depth as I would've liked, but it's worth adding to your collection. We see concept art for portable nunchucks and batarangs, neither of which appeared in the film - so it'll be interesting to see if they appear in the sequel, and in that form. I definitely think batarangs need to appear at a minimum.

The taser gloves are a very nice new addition to the suit (they're used during Battinson's first fight). They're not as devastating as the Arkham Origins gloves but I think going that route would've been too far. Traditional fight choreography is what we still want to see. The Batman's gloves are an occasional finishing touch if a particular goon requires it.

There's also concept art of what seems to be a more debonair Bruce Wayne which we could possibly see in the future. I liked the commentary from Pattinson throughout the book, such as his description of the Drifter persona being a grungy version of Clark Kent entering a phone booth to switch identities. They're also very clear that Selina is not yet Catwoman and the suit would evolve going forward. It's a journey I'm eager to see across the board for all the characters.
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Post by: Travesty on Mon, 16 May 2022, 14:56
Yeah, I picked up the book about 2 weeks ago when it was on sale for $20, but I haven't had time to really delve into it properly. I just flipped through a few pages.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Wed, 25 May 2022, 01:36
Flicking through the book confirms The Batman's strong interior design.

These two stick out for me:

Wayne Tower is anciently Gothic inside.
(https://i.postimg.cc/rwBvvq7h/Screen-Shot-2022-05-25-at-8-50-47-am.png)

Maroni's loft is stylishly seedy, looking out onto the city as Grissom did.
(https://i.postimg.cc/W3jx1XNg/Screen-Shot-2022-05-25-at-9-10-34-am.png)

All I need to see from Reeves and company is more of this. They're on the right track.
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Post by: Travesty on Wed, 13 Jul 2022, 15:04
I picked up the 4k disc for $15 today on Amazon Prime Day. I'll finally get to watch those extras.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 23 Jul 2022, 10:57
When I say I'd like lighter elements in the sequel it's mainly in relation to the portrayal of Bruce which has started from ground zero. Meaning a friendlier relationship with Alfred and an expanded public profile. I'm totally fine with the depiction of everything else, namely the tone of Gotham, the underbelly and depiction of action. The way Bruce communicated with Selina at length in the first movie could be transferred to Alfred now that he's recommitted himself to the war on crime, literally leaving Selina in his rear view mirror. And to make things interesting, I'd have them at odds with each other when she returns.
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Post by: Edd Grayson on Sat, 11 Feb 2023, 02:02
I loved it. Right now I'd rank it just below Batman (1989) and Batman Returns.
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Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 11 Feb 2023, 14:19
Quote from: Edd Grayson on Sat, 11 Feb  2023, 02:02
I loved it. Right now I'd rank it just below Batman (1989) and Batman Returns.
Other films have touched upon this, but something the film conveyed really well for me is how Batman is just one man operating in a huge city and can't be everywhere at once. There will be criminals who successfully carry out their crimes during the night, be it property damage or theft. There isn't going to be a perfect liberation of Gotham City. It's instead about choosing which fires to put out, and creating enough doubt in the criminal's mind that he may be around the corner even if he's actually fifty blocks away.
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Post by: Edd Grayson on Sat, 11 Feb 2023, 23:19
^ Agreed.